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** It was very likely Sonya lied. Cassie gave Sonya a very justified WhatTheHellHero response for accusing her of leaving her own mother to die, especially since it just recently happened. Sonya had a JerkassRealization and after Cassie stormed at Kano's hideout to rescue her and Johnny, Sonya admitted her mistake in her own way. It's not a perfect apology but it took a lot off of Cassie's guilt of being unable to save her Sonya.
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** Kano asks him why they aren't mates, and this version of Raiden is LawfulGood, and annoyed by young!Johnny Cage's antics, so he's effectively saying "We can't be allies because you're evil, and even if you weren't, you're a dick."
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** Kano asks him why they aren't mates, and this version of Raiden is LawfulGood, good, and annoyed by young!Johnny Cage's antics, so he's effectively saying "We can't be allies because you're evil, and even if you weren't, you're a dick."
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** BlatantLies taken UpToEleven. The obvious being Shang Tsung. Even Fujin is lying as Fire God Liu Kang's agent to spy on Shang Tsung, knowing Shang Tsung's ulterior motives. Sindel is manipulated by Shang Tsung like the original timeline.
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** BlatantLies taken UpToEleven.up to eleven. The obvious being Shang Tsung. Even Fujin is lying as Fire God Liu Kang's agent to spy on Shang Tsung, knowing Shang Tsung's ulterior motives. Sindel is manipulated by Shang Tsung like the original timeline.
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** Sindel established the lie that she was a genuinely good person and had married Shao Khan to save her people and daughter. This lie was well kept enough that even the gods didn't know better, so there's no reason Sheeva would know better, especially since Sindel seems to be genuinely fond of her and liekly treated her decently.
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** No, he did not think it through. Kronika made her move while he was depressed, panicking and drunk and he was justifying it using Cetrion's pressance as a reason to believe in Kronika's good intentions. As soon as Raiden gets a chance to point out the obvious Jax realizes he's made a mistake. He likely justified the pressance of the revanents with the assumption that Kronika would avoid Sindel's massacre altogether so all of them would avoid that fate entirely. He likely didn't know about her deal with Shao Khan and probably assumed Noob Saibot would also have been looking to escape his fate as an evil undead servant of Quan Chi.
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** The implication is tht Liu Kang erases Shang tsung from time entirely in his ending path so no version of him exists anymore.
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** If Liu Kang is sculpting the timeline why would Shao Khan and Shang Tsung even exist? Either he's going to try and rebuild the timeline as to close to how it was as he can amanage or he's going to try and make it as better as he can, meaning either the new era will be the same with everyone we know involved or it will be entirely different. Tpp many characters are dependant on Shinnok and Shao Khan to do things half way.
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** Kotal and his inner circle were also shown snacking on Tarkatans so it's not like they have any room to judge there, the Edenians seem to be the only group that hasn't been shown eatting other sapient beings in Outworld. He's clearly offering a more self serving version of events to Raiden than what actually happened. His grudge against the tarkatans is because they, as a whole, sided with Mileena against him. He hates Mileena and by extention all of her allies. he had Tanya killed, wants to do the same to Rain, fed Mileena to D'Vorah and wipoed out the Tarkatans. His philosophy is that when a threat presents itself you wipe it out rather than allowing it to grow over time and get worse. His extreme methods have actually alienated most of the races of Outworld by the time this one begins. The Tarkatans side against him for survival, the Shokan don't support him, the Edenians are angry he won't free their realm, the Naknada aren't well regarded unde rhis rule, he's an improvement on Shao Kahn but still not a great ruler.
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** With Sindel it's because they clearly came up with her evil all along plot twist after the main story was written. With Shao Khan he was the one who ordered Jerrod killed so no matter who did it he's still responsable. D'Vorah probably just lied to piss Kitana off, she's hardly a trustworthy character.
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** Clones are often seen as unnatural and given how she was created it might be that clones in this setting can only be created through dark magic. If that is so then their attitudes make sense, Mileena is a perversion of the natural orde, or at least is seen as such.
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** That assumes that the elements used to create Geras exist in large enough quantities to create more and that those elements aren't being used for some other important function.
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** Because he's always been the way he is and considering Sindel recognized him that means he's been a backstabbing, scheming sorceror for over ten thousand years.
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** She just got the living daylights beaten out of her and to top it off, she was punched with enough force to break the hourglass and land on the ground. Being such a powerful relic, it's very likely that breaking it isn't an easy task, so the force used to knock her into it had to be pretty hard. Taking all this into account, it's reasonable to believe she's still dazed an stunned from the impact, so she couldn't muster enough balance to stand up as she was.
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* So without Kronika to create them, are Shinnok, Cetrion, and Geras just [[RetGone gone for good?]] Is a long-standing GodOfEvil for the series and his [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter potential]] Foil and sister just erased from the franchise, possibly leaving us with Shao Kahn and Shang Tsung as the big bad guys for the umpteenth time? Is the Kollector of all people the only new character from this game that can properly return in a later one without serious plot gymnastics?
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gymnastics? Geras ''might'' be immune to Liu Kang rewinding time, but that's a big ''might''.
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* So Kronika made Geras, he is of her design. So...why does he have nipples? Did she add them? Why did she add them? [[ARareSentence Why does the time-golem have nipples?]] Why? ''Why?''''Why?'' Also, if she wants an unstoppable army, why didn't she just make more Geras'? There, she already won. An army of unkillable golems.
* Why is everyone acting like Shang Tsung is some scheming, backstabbing sorcerer here? It'd make sense in the past timeline, but in this one, his track-record is "I served Shao Kahn for ages, did some shady things in a tournament, got eaten by Sindel, and now I'm back." It'd make some sense if Raiden and Fujin understood this, and maybe Liu Kang with the Hourglass, but everyone else? I mean, they're fine working with Baraka and Sheeva, and one is a cannibal and the other hates Earthrealmers, and yet the old guy who Shao Kahn fed to his undead wife is some untrustable mastermind?
* Why is everyone acting like Shang Tsung is some scheming, backstabbing sorcerer here? It'd make sense in the past timeline, but in this one, his track-record is "I served Shao Kahn for ages, did some shady things in a tournament, got eaten by Sindel, and now I'm back." It'd make some sense if Raiden and Fujin understood this, and maybe Liu Kang with the Hourglass, but everyone else? I mean, they're fine working with Baraka and Sheeva, and one is a cannibal and the other hates Earthrealmers, and yet the old guy who Shao Kahn fed to his undead wife is some untrustable mastermind?
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* So Kronika made Geras, he is of her design. So...why does he have nipples? Did she add them? Why did she add them? [[ARareSentence Why does the time-golem have nipples?]] Why? ''Why?''
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* This game just seems to make everyone look like they hate clones. Sure, there are good reasons for the heroes to not like Mileena, but a lot of their dialogue, Kitana included, just paints them as assholes who think her being a clone of Kitana is enough of a reason to condemn her existence. Really? She can eat people's faces and wants to follow in Shao Kahn's footsteps, but her being a double of Kitana whacked with the ugly stick is enough of a reason for people to condemn her? SkewedPriorities much?
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* Kronika can summon DLC fighters in her bossfight, even in story mode. First of all, why would some of these characters be [[OutOfCharacterMoment fighting for her out of nowhere?]] Second, does that mean Spawn, Rambo, Robocop, Terminator, and the Joker are all just running around during story mode? Shouldn't the last two being free be cause for alarm? Unless this is serious GameplayAndStorySegregation, ''the Joker is running around the Mortal Kombat universe unimpeded!'' [[OhCrap Run!]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking And does Robocop know Sonya]] [[KillSteal beat him to Kano?]]
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* So Kotal can turn into a jaguar now? Okay, feels like that'd be useful when [[CutsceneIncompetence he's in a cutscene]] fighting someone like Shao Kahn. Hell, why didn't he go into kitty mode against Kano in that carriage back in ''X''? Nowhere for Kano to run, and he'd be momentarily confused and open to an attack.
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* Shao Kahn says he killed Jerrod, Sindel says she killed Jerrod, D'Vorah says she killed Jerrod, is this all just alternate timeline stuff, or did they all just take turns stabbing Jerrod in the jugular?
* What is the deal with timelines in this game? Can alternate timelines exist like many MirrorMatch intros in this and ''Injustice 2'' imply, or is it all connected in a single line that somehow means Revenant Liu Kang suddenly gets his legs broken once his past self gets knee-capped? Why can't two Raidens just face off in the story mode too? Wouldn't that make a better story? Putting that aside, how can Revenant Liu Kang steal his past self's soul without killing or hurting himself in the process? Did he leave a bit of himself alive in that chair? Is it his past soul keeping him from withering away? Because that is such a TimeyWimeyBall MindScrew, just typing it is frying this Troper's computer.
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* Why is Kotal much more civil to everyone but Tarkatans here? He offers refuge to Shao Kahn of all people because it's his people's custom, and he says Outworld and Earthrealm united against Shinnok. Neither of these fit with him instantly giving up on Earthrealm, making no effort to evacuate or help protect it, and trying to bring Shinnok Jacqui and Takeda's heads. Because that would somehow appease him? And he hates Tarkatans because they opposed his rule. You know, [[SarcasmMode because hating them because they eat people is just absurd.]] What is with Kotal in this game?
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* So without Kronika to create them, are Shinnok, Cetrion, and Geras just [[RetGone gone for good?]] Is a long-standing GodOfEvil for the series and his [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter potential]] Foil and sister just erased from the franchise, possibly leaving us with Shao Kahn and Shang Tsung as the big bad guys for the umpteenth time? Is the Kollector of all people the only new character from this game that can properly return in a later one without serious plot gymnastics?
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* So Fujin, Nightwolf, and Shang Tsung are released from the void when Kronika is killed and sent back in time. Does that mean that when they're in the past, there are just another Fujin, Nightwolf, and Shang Tsung watching themselves run around? This turns to FridgeHorror if this is true, because once Kronika dies in Aftermath, that would mean ''another'' Shang Tsung will be released, and would know not to fall for Liu Kang again.
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** Compared to most of the people that Spawn knows, Bruce is probably one of the friendlier ones. That, or he actually met the "real" Batman off-screen instead of [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Crazy Steve]].
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** Based on some brief research, this knife ''kinda'' exists. The closest thing to what's in the game is [[https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MQRYF5Q/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_JT8ZMXM3S7CC70FMVJ31 this thing]], but not only is it a pocket knife and not a combat knife, but the "chain" is just molded into the blade to match the handle's aesthetic. However, Google also provided videos of people melting down their old bike chains to make into knife blades with some of the chain detail still visible. It's possible that the art department mixed these two ideas together.
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** Maybe they all have the attention span of gnats and will cheer at anything?
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* So Sheeva has been Sindel's bodguard for a long time, right? So why did she act so surprised to find out MK11 [=MK11=] Sindel is a bitch who'd turn on her own daughter just to eat Shao Kahn's Jinsei? If she did know Sindel was like this, why didn't she warn anyone or keep an eye on her? [[SarcasmMode What a wonderful teammate.]] Either Sindel is a better liar than even Shang Tsung or Sheeva is TooDumbToLive.
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* So Preset!Jax is desperate for a better future. Okay? Let's put aside the obvious issue "Jacqui willingly signed up for Special Forces, she knows the risks" and focus more on the fact that Jax is ''allying up with the Revenants.'' All it gets out of him is an awkward joke about "pleasent company", but you'd think he'd question himself a lot more about this. He protects the crown alongside Noob Saibot, a servant of Quan Chi. You know, the guy who revived Jax as a Revenant? He's allying up with Quan Chi's cronies, and yet he has the gall to chew out Fujin for working with Shang Tsung? For that matter, does he know he was working on the same side as Shao Kahn too? Did Jax think any of this through?
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--> '''Present!Jax:''' I'm a damned fool.
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* So Sheeva has been Sindel's bodguard for a long time, right? So why did she act so surprised to find out MK11 Sindel is a bitch who'd turn on her own daughter just to eat Shao Kahn's Jinsei? If she did know Sindel was like this, why didn't she warn anyone or keep an eye on her? [[SarcasmMode What a wonderful teammate.]] Either Sindel is a better liar than even Shang Tsung or Sheeva is TooDumbToLive.
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* So the Kollector in Aftermath can open pens full of dangerous beasts with the snap of his fingers. Is there any reason he couldn't do that with that stock-wheel-thing that Kotal had him trapped in?
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* But since Liu Kang defeated Kronika with the crown, it would presumably be easier to defeat her without the crown. Also, if Shang Tsung is the only person who could weild the crown against Kronina, why does it not mean that Liu Kang would be unable to use the crown to restore the timeline? If he can't use the crown against Kronika, then why can he use the crown?
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* Okay, so all endings in both the base game and Aftermath end with the timeline getting reset, right? So what was the point of things like Kitana becoming Kahn, Sonya and Johnny's past selves making up, the Cages' horrific fates as well as Raiden and Fujin's in Aftermath, and so on? To build suspense? To keep up the facade? [[AbortedArc It all goes nowhere]] and the last two just come off as needlessly mean.
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** Fire God Liu Kang controls the hourglass, therefore he an protect himself from the effects of the timeline changing. His entire plan was to use Shang Tsung to eliminate Kronika and then take the crown away from him so he would have known from the start his past self was going to be taken out in some way.
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** To be fair, Sonya only spent a couple hours alongside Kabal before he got killed and may not have known about his life as a cop.
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* About Rambo's knife... or, specifically, one of his possible knife models (one of them is called Alamo). They have this little chain on the side of the blade. Does this kind of knife exist in real life and the chain has some purpose? Or is it just RuleOfCool?
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** It's also possible that she only rewound the structure and not the people who died there.
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* Milquetoast compared to everything else, but why does Spawn call Batman an old friend? Their crossover had the two at each other's throats, and at the end, Spawn actually tried to offer a handshake, all he got was Batman slicing his face open with a batarang. [[SarcasmMode An old friend indeed.]]
