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** It's possible, that when Soma is the dominant personality, her brainwaves are probably somewhat different, enough so that it causes a BerserkButton reaction to to Hallelujah and Soma (without the special piloting helmet), and paralysing fear and PTSD trigger in Allelujah. Clearly, what's not shown is the HRL did something horrific to the kids that turned them cold-blooded killers, and that much significant change is another factor into how Allelujah didn't recognize that it was Marie.
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** And this is Hallelujah we're talking about, he likes doing things with some flair just to prove how much superior he is to an enemy pilot. And given that a few minutes before hand, Soma/Marie nearly bought it during the kamikaze attacks from the Innovades, it was probably a bit of CatharsisFactor for Allelujah as well
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* So, what ever happened to the ideas involving the GN Arms seen in Season One? The only thing I've gathered, is one called 00V which mentions that after Season 2, CB was hurting a bit on funding, channeling funding primarily to the repairs, and upgrades to the S1 and S2 Gundams, the next generation of GN Condensers to be used in the [=Qan[T]=], and the [=Qan[T]=] itself (though apparently, still having enough funds to make things like [[http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/00v-senki/gn-0000gnhw7sg.htm 00 Seven Swords G]]). Was that the case after Season 1 as well, and thus why we never see the GN arms again? Or did CB just look at how little usage they got before they were destroyed, and decided upgrade kits like the one for Kyrios, and then later in Season 2, Cherudim and Arios, and combining units like Raiser and Archer were more effective?
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** It was suggested Ribbons put his "worshipper" in CB in case he might be useful to him later. After all if early season 1 Setsuna had been approached by Ribbons and told he was the pilot that saved him back then, then Setsuna would have gladly worshipped the ground Ribbons walked on and lived and died for him. However stupidly, Ribbons proceeded to ignore Setsuna for 7 years, at which point Setsuna managed to mostly resolve his issues and and channel his issues into more heroic actions instead of Gundam worshipping Zealotry. So by the time Ribbons finally found a use for Setsuna (he was becoming an Innovator and had the 00 which Ribbons wanted) it was too late. Setsuna no longer needed his past held over him, and seeing the Alaws horror first hand made him actively hate Ribbons. This might have been intentional seeing as Ribbons is shown to be arrogant and egotistical to the point of it actively crippling him.
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** One of the manga stories reveals one of the manga only characters recovered it. And left Kyrios and Allelujah at the mercy of the HRL even though he could have saved him because he's kind of a sociopath jerk and his orders were just to get the Drive back. He also kicked Patrick's GN-X remains away out of spite which is what ended up putting him in a position to be rescued. Nadleeh's drive on the other hand was recovered by Feldt and Ian and they of course also took back Tieria.
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** What Arios have is a pea shooter when shooting at Garazzo's armour. Agreed on pincer, but Hallleujah just loves those apparently. Also, GN Fangs =/= GN Fin Fangs, the former apparently is like a paper airplane compared to the latter.
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** As far as I can tell the only straight way to decide if something is a Gundam in 00 is if it'sit's called Gundam * something* or * something* Gundam.
** My understanding was that the true gundams were the ones with true GN Drives, and that all of the suits with GN-Tau drives were misnamed when they were called Gundams. No one knew about GN-Tau drives when the Thrones showed up, so it seemed reasonable to call them Gundams. When the nations of the Earth got GN-Taus, the GN-XIII's were Gundams for simplicity's sake. The Aheads were likely meant to be the models that would replace the "Gundams". My guess is that Ribbons calls his machine a Gundam because it's an imitation of the 00.
** They have the traditional Gundam "v-fins" on their foreheads. And I feel that they were designed to look far less humanoid than the original Gundams so that the negative connotations would ring even louder.
** The closest thing that the series has as a definition for what a "gundam" is is rather philosophical. At one point, Lockon describes it as "The embodiment of the eradication of war." In this case, it could be said that the Gundams are the overt devices designed to be used for Celestial Being's armed interventions with the purpose of ending conflict and war in the world, hence Setsuna's obsession with "becoming a gundam." That's why the Thrones are referred to as gundams as well, since when they initially appear, they are conducting armed interventions like the previous group.
* I'm just curious. Did anyone else notice the suspiciously familiar looking people popping up in the different crowds throughout the credit sequence of the final episode? The only reason I'm posting it here is because I can't for the life of me figure out what trope that falls under.
** Those are Veda's repurposed Innovades. Veda has both pilot Innovades and general purpose Innovades who merge into the population to live and send back data for Veda to process. Their presence is probably meant to imply that Veda has a lot to do with the present status-quo. Though I like to think that Ribbons was reborn as an Azadistani citizen after getting stabbed in the face.
* How about the RedShirtArmy of mass-produced Kamikaze Ahead suits used by Ribbons in the last battle? Surely, judging from their lack of direction-changing ability and low-level damage, missiles would be cheaper...
** Ribbons is a monster. That is all.
* The Surveyors. Apart from the scene involving the debate revolving around Team Trinity, they haven't really been addressed or brought up at all. Based on Alejandro's involvement, I assume that they are organizers of Celestial Being, but there's a suspicious lack of focus on them, even after Celestial Being's reemergence in season 2. Are there any background materials or anything that sheds any light on them, or do we have to wait for TheMovie for clarification?
** Concerning why they didn't show up in the second season, it's AllThereInTheManual that Ali hunted down and killed them all in between seasons, presumably on Ribbons's orders.
** They are comprise of two groups; prominent people of the time and people from family of observers. They are some safe-lock if Veda or Celestial Being goes rogue or made a suspicious move. They can veto Veda's decision, in case they as a collective made a decision to do so. In Episode 16, they thought Veda did a suspicious move of hiding the information about the new Gundam Meisters, so they assessed the situation in that scene. The epsiode also showed how they debated about Celestial Being`s actions, only they didn't go anywhere since someone in them is opposing the recommendations.
* Where on earth were Saji and Louise in the scene where she chokes him before seeing his ring? I can't see any way they could have got from the 0-Raiser cockpit to anywhere else without un-combining and hugely damaging 00-Gundam's fighting strength.
** They were inside the Celestial Being.
* Okay, what exactly ''is'' Veda's deal? How does it work exactly? How come Tieria and Regene managed to upload themselves into Veda when no other Innovator did after dying? Was it fucking with Ribbonz the entire time, waiting for a crucial moment to backstab him?
** Regene had seen Ribbons do it, so he/she (not sure) knew it was possible. Quite possible that none of the other Innovades knew this. Probably helped Tieria do it when the time came. As for why Ribbons doesn't come back again after being killed by Setsuna, the last time he did that he was in control of Veda. This time, Tieria had control. He probably blocked any attempt Ribbons made to upload himself.
* How come the 00 had the software to initiate Trans-Am Burst if its OS was independent of Veda? The GN Drive engineers have no idea about Innovation, so ''they'' can't have input it as a failsafe.
** It was likely another 'Black Box' within the Gundams or the GN Drives. And in this Troper's impression, the OS used by the Gundams probably only 'phoned home' to Veda, so Celestial Being just rigged up a way to trick it into thinking that it had Veda's permission to operate.
** Actually, Veda always have its eyes on the GN Drives, so its possible its a software from Veda. Ribbons didn't know about this; obviously, there are many things in Veda that cannot be unveiled easily.
* Season 1, Episode 15. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Celestial Being's entire reason for being there to stop a terrorist attack? So, why not just nuke them from orbit? It's already been demonstrated that the Lockon and the Cherudim can accurately hit orbital targets from the surface, so why not the reverse?
** Just because you can snipe a moving train doesn't mean that you can snipe somebody ''on'' a moving train. The cannon is not the most practical of weapons. The space station was a huge target in an obvious trajectory, which also isn't trying to dodge. It's not the same for some dudes in mechs in a desert. They don't have a spotter, they don't have any satellite support, and the orbital gun doesn't look like it is rated to work in space what with all the ground condensers it had. (And they're using the Dynames at this point of time. The Cherudim comes later.)
* How did they get Soma back onto the Ptolemaios after [[spoiler:Sergei's death]]? Meaning, why would she have simply gone with Celestial Being, whom she considered her enemies?
** Where else would she have gone? The A-LAWS? It was one of them that [[spoiler:killed Sergei]]! And of course, she was reported dead. Besides, the impression I got was that the Soma and Marie personalities had more or less merged by that point: she reverted to being Soma because that's the name [[spoiler:Sergei knew her by]], and it was her only remaining connection to him. So she didn't consider Celestial Being her enemies: she still had Marie's memories and feelings.
* [[spoiler:Ribbons has thousands of Trans-Am powered suits with innovator pilots, but makes them a suicide squad and has them charge in predictable straight lines. Two questions: why give them pilots at all except to KickTheDog, and why not equip them with a few guns and make them an unstoppable army rather than glorified bullets?]]
** They actually had guns, but didn't use them in the attack. Which makes this even worse.
* question regarding the GN-drive taus, why on earth didn't CB sue to the earth federation over them manufacturing knock offs? surely aeolia schenberg would have had the foresight to have the GN drive patented.(actually this is a criticism that could be applied to most black box technology and super prototypes in general)
** Because if he had then everyone would know about them and everyone would have them.
*** Wat. I'm sorry, I don't think patent laws apply when you're notorious global terrorists who use high-end technology which ''isn't patented'' because ''nobody outside Celestial Being's head engineers know how it works''. Do you think CB has a legal team hidden somewhere? Maybe some lobbyists trying to make their interventions legal?
*** Seriously, you can't patent a ''secret invention never shown to any state official'', and even if you could, the patent would have long since become public in the 200 years from its invention.
* Why did Ribbons hack into Veda to recommend Setsuna as a Meister? I understand why he spared him all those years before, but Ribbons Almark has demonstrated time and again that he has a massive god complex and is an utter sociopath, so why did he do that? It seemed out of character.
** Probably because he was aware that the Ptolemy crew was supposed to be killed at the end of S1. That's why he didn't go himself. As for why Setsuna specifically: You mentioned it yourself, it's Ribbons' God complex. Set looked at 0 gundam (so indirectly at Ribbons) as if it were a god, and Ribbons played god for him due to his massive ego. He's just toying around with him. Setsuna, with his love for gundam, is ''in theory'' easy to manipulate.
** Branching off the God Complex thing, basically Ribbon's wanted Setsuna to be a Gundam Meister because he considered Setsuna his first "worshiper" in a sense. If you think about it Setsuna and Ribbons both pretty much created each others personalities for the main story line. Because of the Gundam Ribbon's was piloting Setsuna became obsessed with Gundams and thought of them as a god, starting his strange Gundam fetish. While Ribbons saw this random kid who stared up at him as if he were a god, and this started his "A God am I" complex.
* What ever happened to the poltical figures from Season 1 during Season 2? In S1, we get several scenes of them, providing their personal insight and reactions. It was nice to see their POV. Then by Season 2, they disappear?
** Ribbons set up a puppet government in the TimeSkip. Politicians who had risen to power themselves, and were not under his control, are a threat. Most likely he either had them assassinated or simply maneuvered them out of office through some legal means. No real point in seeing the puppet officials' POV because Ribbons ''is'' the government at that point. His POV is the only one of any real consequence.
** Even so, you'd think they give them some ending. They were an important part of Season 1, and more interesting than the villains the show ended with.
** Didn't the leaders appear in the 00 Movie as part of the new President's Cabinet? I think I saw them when everyone was reacting to the flower made by the ELS. I think the Union and HRL leaders were there.
* I'm surprised this is only being brought up now, but at the end of the last episode of S2, there's a conference. As the camera shows who is there, you can clearly see a woman that looks waaay to much to Anew Returner, only she's wearing a suit and glasses. What's up with that?
** That one actually looks more like Revive Revival, albeit female (who is Anew's pair-mate among the Innovades anyway). Probably a production-model Innovade tasked with assisting the new female president of the Federation; she had more screentime in ''Anime/Gundam00AWakeningOfTheTrailblazer'' if you must.
* What's up with H/Allelujah's tactics vs Hilling's Garrazo in the final fight? Yeah, it was awesome, but it was stupid. Arios has much better guns than the Garrazo and is a hell of a lot faster, so why didn't he just stay at a distance and blast the Garrazo to death. Failing that, why on earth did he throw away the GN cannon by using it as a club while he had a beam saber left and then launch the ramming attack that gave Hilling a chance to actually cause damage without bothering to rip off the remaining arm like he did the first. H/Allelujah is ruthless, not stupid. It probably wouldn't have saved him from Ribbons attack, but Ribbons was so using plothax for that stunt with the fin fangs it isn't funny. We already know super soldiers have the reflexs to blast fangs out of the sky from when Soma did it to the Throne Zwei's fangs using a GN-X's head guns after all.
** Welcome to Gundam, you must be new here. Fights haven't been finished at range in fifteen years. Always melee.
* How come, post-Azadistan, Graham never bothered asking Setsuna his name during their fights, even in A Wakening of the Trailblazer, he has [[spoiler:or had]] yet to ask Setsuna his name, what gives?
** You really think he would ''tell'' him?
*** Okay, maybe not Setsuna, but what about during the movie, where Feldt and Graham were looking at Setsuna's post-[[spoiler:MindRape]] body after the latter saved him, he could have asked Feldt then and there, right?
* In one episode, we see Setsuna (fully-clothed) diving into the water and entering Exia. How come the water didn't short out the controls in the cockpit? How was the water evacuated? And did he dried his clothes while flying?
** You really think the only season 1 unit that's remotely effective underwater isn't waterproofed like hell?
** If you watch episode 5 again and look closely, you see that Setsuna actually swims down to a gundam container, the same as on the island and fitted to the Ptolemaios, presumably it has an airlock.
* I've thought about this for a while now and it really bugs me: How did Celestial Being retrieve Kyrios' GN Drive after the great battle in the Season 1 Finale? It was revealed in Season 2 that Kyrios was captured by the HRL, that's why they had Allelujah in that prison thing for all those 4 years. Did he eject the GN Drive like what Tieria did with Nadleeh? If so, how come CB wasn't able to locate and recover Kyrios like what they did with Nadleeh?
** One the side stories says that Allelujah ejected the drive. When Tieria ejected his drive the screens show that it started to move towards the assault container while Nadleeh was drifting away. Newton's second law of motion, push something one way and you go the other. By the time the CB crew had recovered Nadleeh's Drive, Tieria and Kyrios' drive, Kyrios had drifted to the enemy fleet and been captured, he wasn't far away from Sergei and Soma remember and a rescue party was obviously coming for them.
** My understanding was that the true gundams were the ones with true GN Drives, and that all of the suits with GN-Tau drives were misnamed when they were called Gundams. No one knew about GN-Tau drives when the Thrones showed up, so it seemed reasonable to call them Gundams. When the nations of the Earth got GN-Taus, the GN-XIII's were Gundams for simplicity's sake. The Aheads were likely meant to be the models that would replace the "Gundams". My guess is that Ribbons calls his machine a Gundam because it's an imitation of the 00.
** They have the traditional Gundam "v-fins" on their foreheads. And I feel that they were designed to look far less humanoid than the original Gundams so that the negative connotations would ring even louder.
** The closest thing that the series has as a definition for what a "gundam" is is rather philosophical. At one point, Lockon describes it as "The embodiment of the eradication of war." In this case, it could be said that the Gundams are the overt devices designed to be used for Celestial Being's armed interventions with the purpose of ending conflict and war in the world, hence Setsuna's obsession with "becoming a gundam." That's why the Thrones are referred to as gundams as well, since when they initially appear, they are conducting armed interventions like the previous group.
* I'm just curious. Did anyone else notice the suspiciously familiar looking people popping up in the different crowds throughout the credit sequence of the final episode? The only reason I'm posting it here is because I can't for the life of me figure out what trope that falls under.
** Those are Veda's repurposed Innovades. Veda has both pilot Innovades and general purpose Innovades who merge into the population to live and send back data for Veda to process. Their presence is probably meant to imply that Veda has a lot to do with the present status-quo. Though I like to think that Ribbons was reborn as an Azadistani citizen after getting stabbed in the face.
* How about the RedShirtArmy of mass-produced Kamikaze Ahead suits used by Ribbons in the last battle? Surely, judging from their lack of direction-changing ability and low-level damage, missiles would be cheaper...
** Ribbons is a monster. That is all.
* The Surveyors. Apart from the scene involving the debate revolving around Team Trinity, they haven't really been addressed or brought up at all. Based on Alejandro's involvement, I assume that they are organizers of Celestial Being, but there's a suspicious lack of focus on them, even after Celestial Being's reemergence in season 2. Are there any background materials or anything that sheds any light on them, or do we have to wait for TheMovie for clarification?
** Concerning why they didn't show up in the second season, it's AllThereInTheManual that Ali hunted down and killed them all in between seasons, presumably on Ribbons's orders.
** They are comprise of two groups; prominent people of the time and people from family of observers. They are some safe-lock if Veda or Celestial Being goes rogue or made a suspicious move. They can veto Veda's decision, in case they as a collective made a decision to do so. In Episode 16, they thought Veda did a suspicious move of hiding the information about the new Gundam Meisters, so they assessed the situation in that scene. The epsiode also showed how they debated about Celestial Being`s actions, only they didn't go anywhere since someone in them is opposing the recommendations.
* Where on earth were Saji and Louise in the scene where she chokes him before seeing his ring? I can't see any way they could have got from the 0-Raiser cockpit to anywhere else without un-combining and hugely damaging 00-Gundam's fighting strength.
** They were inside the Celestial Being.
* Okay, what exactly ''is'' Veda's deal? How does it work exactly? How come Tieria and Regene managed to upload themselves into Veda when no other Innovator did after dying? Was it fucking with Ribbonz the entire time, waiting for a crucial moment to backstab him?
** Regene had seen Ribbons do it, so he/she (not sure) knew it was possible. Quite possible that none of the other Innovades knew this. Probably helped Tieria do it when the time came. As for why Ribbons doesn't come back again after being killed by Setsuna, the last time he did that he was in control of Veda. This time, Tieria had control. He probably blocked any attempt Ribbons made to upload himself.
* How come the 00 had the software to initiate Trans-Am Burst if its OS was independent of Veda? The GN Drive engineers have no idea about Innovation, so ''they'' can't have input it as a failsafe.
** It was likely another 'Black Box' within the Gundams or the GN Drives. And in this Troper's impression, the OS used by the Gundams probably only 'phoned home' to Veda, so Celestial Being just rigged up a way to trick it into thinking that it had Veda's permission to operate.
** Actually, Veda always have its eyes on the GN Drives, so its possible its a software from Veda. Ribbons didn't know about this; obviously, there are many things in Veda that cannot be unveiled easily.
* Season 1, Episode 15. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Celestial Being's entire reason for being there to stop a terrorist attack? So, why not just nuke them from orbit? It's already been demonstrated that the Lockon and the Cherudim can accurately hit orbital targets from the surface, so why not the reverse?
** Just because you can snipe a moving train doesn't mean that you can snipe somebody ''on'' a moving train. The cannon is not the most practical of weapons. The space station was a huge target in an obvious trajectory, which also isn't trying to dodge. It's not the same for some dudes in mechs in a desert. They don't have a spotter, they don't have any satellite support, and the orbital gun doesn't look like it is rated to work in space what with all the ground condensers it had. (And they're using the Dynames at this point of time. The Cherudim comes later.)
* How did they get Soma back onto the Ptolemaios after [[spoiler:Sergei's death]]? Meaning, why would she have simply gone with Celestial Being, whom she considered her enemies?
** Where else would she have gone? The A-LAWS? It was one of them that [[spoiler:killed Sergei]]! And of course, she was reported dead. Besides, the impression I got was that the Soma and Marie personalities had more or less merged by that point: she reverted to being Soma because that's the name [[spoiler:Sergei knew her by]], and it was her only remaining connection to him. So she didn't consider Celestial Being her enemies: she still had Marie's memories and feelings.
* [[spoiler:Ribbons has thousands of Trans-Am powered suits with innovator pilots, but makes them a suicide squad and has them charge in predictable straight lines. Two questions: why give them pilots at all except to KickTheDog, and why not equip them with a few guns and make them an unstoppable army rather than glorified bullets?]]
** They actually had guns, but didn't use them in the attack. Which makes this even worse.
* question regarding the GN-drive taus, why on earth didn't CB sue to the earth federation over them manufacturing knock offs? surely aeolia schenberg would have had the foresight to have the GN drive patented.(actually this is a criticism that could be applied to most black box technology and super prototypes in general)
** Because if he had then everyone would know about them and everyone would have them.
*** Wat. I'm sorry, I don't think patent laws apply when you're notorious global terrorists who use high-end technology which ''isn't patented'' because ''nobody outside Celestial Being's head engineers know how it works''. Do you think CB has a legal team hidden somewhere? Maybe some lobbyists trying to make their interventions legal?
*** Seriously, you can't patent a ''secret invention never shown to any state official'', and even if you could, the patent would have long since become public in the 200 years from its invention.
* Why did Ribbons hack into Veda to recommend Setsuna as a Meister? I understand why he spared him all those years before, but Ribbons Almark has demonstrated time and again that he has a massive god complex and is an utter sociopath, so why did he do that? It seemed out of character.
** Probably because he was aware that the Ptolemy crew was supposed to be killed at the end of S1. That's why he didn't go himself. As for why Setsuna specifically: You mentioned it yourself, it's Ribbons' God complex. Set looked at 0 gundam (so indirectly at Ribbons) as if it were a god, and Ribbons played god for him due to his massive ego. He's just toying around with him. Setsuna, with his love for gundam, is ''in theory'' easy to manipulate.
** Branching off the God Complex thing, basically Ribbon's wanted Setsuna to be a Gundam Meister because he considered Setsuna his first "worshiper" in a sense. If you think about it Setsuna and Ribbons both pretty much created each others personalities for the main story line. Because of the Gundam Ribbon's was piloting Setsuna became obsessed with Gundams and thought of them as a god, starting his strange Gundam fetish. While Ribbons saw this random kid who stared up at him as if he were a god, and this started his "A God am I" complex.
* What ever happened to the poltical figures from Season 1 during Season 2? In S1, we get several scenes of them, providing their personal insight and reactions. It was nice to see their POV. Then by Season 2, they disappear?
** Ribbons set up a puppet government in the TimeSkip. Politicians who had risen to power themselves, and were not under his control, are a threat. Most likely he either had them assassinated or simply maneuvered them out of office through some legal means. No real point in seeing the puppet officials' POV because Ribbons ''is'' the government at that point. His POV is the only one of any real consequence.
** Even so, you'd think they give them some ending. They were an important part of Season 1, and more interesting than the villains the show ended with.
** Didn't the leaders appear in the 00 Movie as part of the new President's Cabinet? I think I saw them when everyone was reacting to the flower made by the ELS. I think the Union and HRL leaders were there.
* I'm surprised this is only being brought up now, but at the end of the last episode of S2, there's a conference. As the camera shows who is there, you can clearly see a woman that looks waaay to much to Anew Returner, only she's wearing a suit and glasses. What's up with that?
** That one actually looks more like Revive Revival, albeit female (who is Anew's pair-mate among the Innovades anyway). Probably a production-model Innovade tasked with assisting the new female president of the Federation; she had more screentime in ''Anime/Gundam00AWakeningOfTheTrailblazer'' if you must.
* What's up with H/Allelujah's tactics vs Hilling's Garrazo in the final fight? Yeah, it was awesome, but it was stupid. Arios has much better guns than the Garrazo and is a hell of a lot faster, so why didn't he just stay at a distance and blast the Garrazo to death. Failing that, why on earth did he throw away the GN cannon by using it as a club while he had a beam saber left and then launch the ramming attack that gave Hilling a chance to actually cause damage without bothering to rip off the remaining arm like he did the first. H/Allelujah is ruthless, not stupid. It probably wouldn't have saved him from Ribbons attack, but Ribbons was so using plothax for that stunt with the fin fangs it isn't funny. We already know super soldiers have the reflexs to blast fangs out of the sky from when Soma did it to the Throne Zwei's fangs using a GN-X's head guns after all.
** Welcome to Gundam, you must be new here. Fights haven't been finished at range in fifteen years. Always melee.
* How come, post-Azadistan, Graham never bothered asking Setsuna his name during their fights, even in A Wakening of the Trailblazer, he has [[spoiler:or had]] yet to ask Setsuna his name, what gives?
** You really think he would ''tell'' him?
*** Okay, maybe not Setsuna, but what about during the movie, where Feldt and Graham were looking at Setsuna's post-[[spoiler:MindRape]] body after the latter saved him, he could have asked Feldt then and there, right?
* In one episode, we see Setsuna (fully-clothed) diving into the water and entering Exia. How come the water didn't short out the controls in the cockpit? How was the water evacuated? And did he dried his clothes while flying?
** You really think the only season 1 unit that's remotely effective underwater isn't waterproofed like hell?
** If you watch episode 5 again and look closely, you see that Setsuna actually swims down to a gundam container, the same as on the island and fitted to the Ptolemaios, presumably it has an airlock.
* I've thought about this for a while now and it really bugs me: How did Celestial Being retrieve Kyrios' GN Drive after the great battle in the Season 1 Finale? It was revealed in Season 2 that Kyrios was captured by the HRL, that's why they had Allelujah in that prison thing for all those 4 years. Did he eject the GN Drive like what Tieria did with Nadleeh? If so, how come CB wasn't able to locate and recover Kyrios like what they did with Nadleeh?
** One the side stories says that Allelujah ejected the drive. When Tieria ejected his drive the screens show that it started to move towards the assault container while Nadleeh was drifting away. Newton's second law of motion, push something one way and you go the other. By the time the CB crew had recovered Nadleeh's Drive, Tieria and Kyrios' drive, Kyrios had drifted to the enemy fleet and been captured, he wasn't far away from Sergei and Soma remember and a rescue party was obviously coming for them.
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** Repressed memories (considering what happened later on in the escape, not surprising...), or just forgetting that she existed due to being away for YEARS. OR Hallelujah was being a dick and repressed the memory.
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** As far as I can tell the only straight way to decide if something is a Gundam in 00 is if it's called Gundam * something* or * something* Gundam.
** My understanding was that the true gundams were the ones with true GN Drives, and that all of the suits with GN-Tau drives were misnamed when they were called Gundams. No one knew about GN-Tau drives when the Thrones showed up, so it seemed reasonable to call them Gundams. When the nations of the Earth got GN-Taus, the GN-XIII's were Gundams for simplicity's sake. The Aheads were likely meant to be the models that would replace the "Gundams". My guess is that Ribbons calls his machine a Gundam because it's an imitation of the 00.
** They have the traditional Gundam "v-fins" on their foreheads. And I feel that they were designed to look far less humanoid than the original Gundams so that the negative connotations would ring even louder.
** The closest thing that the series has as a definition for what a "gundam" is is rather philosophical. At one point, Lockon describes it as "The embodiment of the eradication of war." In this case, it could be said that the Gundams are the overt devices designed to be used for Celestial Being's armed interventions with the purpose of ending conflict and war in the world, hence Setsuna's obsession with "becoming a gundam." That's why the Thrones are referred to as gundams as well, since when they initially appear, they are conducting armed interventions like the previous group.
* I'm just curious. Did anyone else notice the suspiciously familiar looking people popping up in the different crowds throughout the credit sequence of the final episode? The only reason I'm posting it here is because I can't for the life of me figure out what trope that falls under.
** Those are Veda's repurposed Innovades. Veda has both pilot Innovades and general purpose Innovades who merge into the population to live and send back data for Veda to process. Their presence is probably meant to imply that Veda has a lot to do with the present status-quo. Though I like to think that Ribbons was reborn as an Azadistani citizen after getting stabbed in the face.
* How about the RedShirtArmy of mass-produced Kamikaze Ahead suits used by Ribbons in the last battle? Surely, judging from their lack of direction-changing ability and low-level damage, missiles would be cheaper...
** Ribbons is a monster. That is all.
* The Surveyors. Apart from the scene involving the debate revolving around Team Trinity, they haven't really been addressed or brought up at all. Based on Alejandro's involvement, I assume that they are organizers of Celestial Being, but there's a suspicious lack of focus on them, even after Celestial Being's reemergence in season 2. Are there any background materials or anything that sheds any light on them, or do we have to wait for TheMovie for clarification?
** Concerning why they didn't show up in the second season, it's AllThereInTheManual that Ali hunted down and killed them all in between seasons, presumably on Ribbons's orders.
** They are comprise of two groups; prominent people of the time and people from family of observers. They are some safe-lock if Veda or Celestial Being goes rogue or made a suspicious move. They can veto Veda's decision, in case they as a collective made a decision to do so. In Episode 16, they thought Veda did a suspicious move of hiding the information about the new Gundam Meisters, so they assessed the situation in that scene. The epsiode also showed how they debated about Celestial Being`s actions, only they didn't go anywhere since someone in them is opposing the recommendations.
* Where on earth were Saji and Louise in the scene where she chokes him before seeing his ring? I can't see any way they could have got from the 0-Raiser cockpit to anywhere else without un-combining and hugely damaging 00-Gundam's fighting strength.
** They were inside the Celestial Being.
* Okay, what exactly ''is'' Veda's deal? How does it work exactly? How come Tieria and Regene managed to upload themselves into Veda when no other Innovator did after dying? Was it fucking with Ribbonz the entire time, waiting for a crucial moment to backstab him?
** Regene had seen Ribbons do it, so he/she (not sure) knew it was possible. Quite possible that none of the other Innovades knew this. Probably helped Tieria do it when the time came. As for why Ribbons doesn't come back again after being killed by Setsuna, the last time he did that he was in control of Veda. This time, Tieria had control. He probably blocked any attempt Ribbons made to upload himself.
* How come the 00 had the software to initiate Trans-Am Burst if its OS was independent of Veda? The GN Drive engineers have no idea about Innovation, so ''they'' can't have input it as a failsafe.
** It was likely another 'Black Box' within the Gundams or the GN Drives. And in this Troper's impression, the OS used by the Gundams probably only 'phoned home' to Veda, so Celestial Being just rigged up a way to trick it into thinking that it had Veda's permission to operate.
** Actually, Veda always have its eyes on the GN Drives, so its possible its a software from Veda. Ribbons didn't know about this; obviously, there are many things in Veda that cannot be unveiled easily.
* Season 1, Episode 15. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Celestial Being's entire reason for being there to stop a terrorist attack? So, why not just nuke them from orbit? It's already been demonstrated that the Lockon and the Cherudim can accurately hit orbital targets from the surface, so why not the reverse?
** Just because you can snipe a moving train doesn't mean that you can snipe somebody ''on'' a moving train. The cannon is not the most practical of weapons. The space station was a huge target in an obvious trajectory, which also isn't trying to dodge. It's not the same for some dudes in mechs in a desert. They don't have a spotter, they don't have any satellite support, and the orbital gun doesn't look like it is rated to work in space what with all the ground condensers it had. (And they're using the Dynames at this point of time. The Cherudim comes later.)
* How did they get Soma back onto the Ptolemaios after [[spoiler:Sergei's death]]? Meaning, why would she have simply gone with Celestial Being, whom she considered her enemies?
** Where else would she have gone? The A-LAWS? It was one of them that [[spoiler:killed Sergei]]! And of course, she was reported dead. Besides, the impression I got was that the Soma and Marie personalities had more or less merged by that point: she reverted to being Soma because that's the name [[spoiler:Sergei knew her by]], and it was her only remaining connection to him. So she didn't consider Celestial Being her enemies: she still had Marie's memories and feelings.
* [[spoiler:Ribbons has thousands of Trans-Am powered suits with innovator pilots, but makes them a suicide squad and has them charge in predictable straight lines. Two questions: why give them pilots at all except to KickTheDog, and why not equip them with a few guns and make them an unstoppable army rather than glorified bullets?]]
** They actually had guns, but didn't use them in the attack. Which makes this even worse.
* question regarding the GN-drive taus, why on earth didn't CB sue to the earth federation over them manufacturing knock offs? surely aeolia schenberg would have had the foresight to have the GN drive patented.(actually this is a criticism that could be applied to most black box technology and super prototypes in general)
** Because if he had then everyone would know about them and everyone would have them.
*** Wat. I'm sorry, I don't think patent laws apply when you're notorious global terrorists who use high-end technology which ''isn't patented'' because ''nobody outside Celestial Being's head engineers know how it works''. Do you think CB has a legal team hidden somewhere? Maybe some lobbyists trying to make their interventions legal?
*** Seriously, you can't patent a ''secret invention never shown to any state official'', and even if you could, the patent would have long since become public in the 200 years from its invention.
* Why did Ribbons hack into Veda to recommend Setsuna as a Meister? I understand why he spared him all those years before, but Ribbons Almark has demonstrated time and again that he has a massive god complex and is an utter sociopath, so why did he do that? It seemed out of character.
** Probably because he was aware that the Ptolemy crew was supposed to be killed at the end of S1. That's why he didn't go himself. As for why Setsuna specifically: You mentioned it yourself, it's Ribbons' God complex. Set looked at 0 gundam (so indirectly at Ribbons) as if it were a god, and Ribbons played god for him due to his massive ego. He's just toying around with him. Setsuna, with his love for gundam, is ''in theory'' easy to manipulate.
** Branching off the God Complex thing, basically Ribbon's wanted Setsuna to be a Gundam Meister because he considered Setsuna his first "worshiper" in a sense. If you think about it Setsuna and Ribbons both pretty much created each others personalities for the main story line. Because of the Gundam Ribbon's was piloting Setsuna became obsessed with Gundams and thought of them as a god, starting his strange Gundam fetish. While Ribbons saw this random kid who stared up at him as if he were a god, and this started his "A God am I" complex.
* What ever happened to the poltical figures from Season 1 during Season 2? In S1, we get several scenes of them, providing their personal insight and reactions. It was nice to see their POV. Then by Season 2, they disappear?
** Ribbons set up a puppet government in the TimeSkip. Politicians who had risen to power themselves, and were not under his control, are a threat. Most likely he either had them assassinated or simply maneuvered them out of office through some legal means. No real point in seeing the puppet officials' POV because Ribbons ''is'' the government at that point. His POV is the only one of any real consequence.
** Even so, you'd think they give them some ending. They were an important part of Season 1, and more interesting than the villains the show ended with.
** Didn't the leaders appear in the 00 Movie as part of the new President's Cabinet? I think I saw them when everyone was reacting to the flower made by the ELS. I think the Union and HRL leaders were there.
* I'm surprised this is only being brought up now, but at the end of the last episode of S2, there's a conference. As the camera shows who is there, you can clearly see a woman that looks waaay to much to Anew Returner, only she's wearing a suit and glasses. What's up with that?
** That one actually looks more like Revive Revival, albeit female (who is Anew's pair-mate among the Innovades anyway). Probably a production-model Innovade tasked with assisting the new female president of the Federation; she had more screentime in ''Anime/Gundam00AWakeningOfTheTrailblazer'' if you must.
* What's up with H/Allelujah's tactics vs Hilling's Garrazo in the final fight? Yeah, it was awesome, but it was stupid. Arios has much better guns than the Garrazo and is a hell of a lot faster, so why didn't he just stay at a distance and blast the Garrazo to death. Failing that, why on earth did he throw away the GN cannon by using it as a club while he had a beam saber left and then launch the ramming attack that gave Hilling a chance to actually cause damage without bothering to rip off the remaining arm like he did the first. H/Allelujah is ruthless, not stupid. It probably wouldn't have saved him from Ribbons attack, but Ribbons was so using plothax for that stunt with the fin fangs it isn't funny. We already know super soldiers have the reflexs to blast fangs out of the sky from when Soma did it to the Throne Zwei's fangs using a GN-X's head guns after all.
** Welcome to Gundam, you must be new here. Fights haven't been finished at range in fifteen years. Always melee.
* How come, post-Azadistan, Graham never bothered asking Setsuna his name during their fights, even in A Wakening of the Trailblazer, he has [[spoiler:or had]] yet to ask Setsuna his name, what gives?
** You really think he would ''tell'' him?
*** Okay, maybe not Setsuna, but what about during the movie, where Feldt and Graham were looking at Setsuna's post-[[spoiler:MindRape]] body after the latter saved him, he could have asked Feldt then and there, right?
* In one episode, we see Setsuna (fully-clothed) diving into the water and entering Exia. How come the water didn't short out the controls in the cockpit? How was the water evacuated? And did he dried his clothes while flying?
** You really think the only season 1 unit that's remotely effective underwater isn't waterproofed like hell?
** If you watch episode 5 again and look closely, you see that Setsuna actually swims down to a gundam container, the same as on the island and fitted to the Ptolemaios, presumably it has an airlock.
* I've thought about this for a while now and it really bugs me: How did Celestial Being retrieve Kyrios' GN Drive after the great battle in the Season 1 Finale? It was revealed in Season 2 that Kyrios was captured by the HRL, that's why they had Allelujah in that prison thing for all those 4 years. Did he eject the GN Drive like what Tieria did with Nadleeh? If so, how come CB wasn't able to locate and recover Kyrios like what they did with Nadleeh?
** One the side stories says that Allelujah ejected the drive. When Tieria ejected his drive the screens show that it started to move towards the assault container while Nadleeh was drifting away. Newton's second law of motion, push something one way and you go the other. By the time the CB crew had recovered Nadleeh's Drive, Tieria and Kyrios' drive, Kyrios had drifted to the enemy fleet and been captured, he wasn't far away from Sergei and Soma remember and a rescue party was obviously coming for them.
** My understanding was that the true gundams were the ones with true GN Drives, and that all of the suits with GN-Tau drives were misnamed when they were called Gundams. No one knew about GN-Tau drives when the Thrones showed up, so it seemed reasonable to call them Gundams. When the nations of the Earth got GN-Taus, the GN-XIII's were Gundams for simplicity's sake. The Aheads were likely meant to be the models that would replace the "Gundams". My guess is that Ribbons calls his machine a Gundam because it's an imitation of the 00.
** They have the traditional Gundam "v-fins" on their foreheads. And I feel that they were designed to look far less humanoid than the original Gundams so that the negative connotations would ring even louder.
** The closest thing that the series has as a definition for what a "gundam" is is rather philosophical. At one point, Lockon describes it as "The embodiment of the eradication of war." In this case, it could be said that the Gundams are the overt devices designed to be used for Celestial Being's armed interventions with the purpose of ending conflict and war in the world, hence Setsuna's obsession with "becoming a gundam." That's why the Thrones are referred to as gundams as well, since when they initially appear, they are conducting armed interventions like the previous group.
* I'm just curious. Did anyone else notice the suspiciously familiar looking people popping up in the different crowds throughout the credit sequence of the final episode? The only reason I'm posting it here is because I can't for the life of me figure out what trope that falls under.
** Those are Veda's repurposed Innovades. Veda has both pilot Innovades and general purpose Innovades who merge into the population to live and send back data for Veda to process. Their presence is probably meant to imply that Veda has a lot to do with the present status-quo. Though I like to think that Ribbons was reborn as an Azadistani citizen after getting stabbed in the face.
* How about the RedShirtArmy of mass-produced Kamikaze Ahead suits used by Ribbons in the last battle? Surely, judging from their lack of direction-changing ability and low-level damage, missiles would be cheaper...
** Ribbons is a monster. That is all.
* The Surveyors. Apart from the scene involving the debate revolving around Team Trinity, they haven't really been addressed or brought up at all. Based on Alejandro's involvement, I assume that they are organizers of Celestial Being, but there's a suspicious lack of focus on them, even after Celestial Being's reemergence in season 2. Are there any background materials or anything that sheds any light on them, or do we have to wait for TheMovie for clarification?
** Concerning why they didn't show up in the second season, it's AllThereInTheManual that Ali hunted down and killed them all in between seasons, presumably on Ribbons's orders.
** They are comprise of two groups; prominent people of the time and people from family of observers. They are some safe-lock if Veda or Celestial Being goes rogue or made a suspicious move. They can veto Veda's decision, in case they as a collective made a decision to do so. In Episode 16, they thought Veda did a suspicious move of hiding the information about the new Gundam Meisters, so they assessed the situation in that scene. The epsiode also showed how they debated about Celestial Being`s actions, only they didn't go anywhere since someone in them is opposing the recommendations.
* Where on earth were Saji and Louise in the scene where she chokes him before seeing his ring? I can't see any way they could have got from the 0-Raiser cockpit to anywhere else without un-combining and hugely damaging 00-Gundam's fighting strength.
** They were inside the Celestial Being.
* Okay, what exactly ''is'' Veda's deal? How does it work exactly? How come Tieria and Regene managed to upload themselves into Veda when no other Innovator did after dying? Was it fucking with Ribbonz the entire time, waiting for a crucial moment to backstab him?
** Regene had seen Ribbons do it, so he/she (not sure) knew it was possible. Quite possible that none of the other Innovades knew this. Probably helped Tieria do it when the time came. As for why Ribbons doesn't come back again after being killed by Setsuna, the last time he did that he was in control of Veda. This time, Tieria had control. He probably blocked any attempt Ribbons made to upload himself.
* How come the 00 had the software to initiate Trans-Am Burst if its OS was independent of Veda? The GN Drive engineers have no idea about Innovation, so ''they'' can't have input it as a failsafe.
** It was likely another 'Black Box' within the Gundams or the GN Drives. And in this Troper's impression, the OS used by the Gundams probably only 'phoned home' to Veda, so Celestial Being just rigged up a way to trick it into thinking that it had Veda's permission to operate.
** Actually, Veda always have its eyes on the GN Drives, so its possible its a software from Veda. Ribbons didn't know about this; obviously, there are many things in Veda that cannot be unveiled easily.
* Season 1, Episode 15. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Celestial Being's entire reason for being there to stop a terrorist attack? So, why not just nuke them from orbit? It's already been demonstrated that the Lockon and the Cherudim can accurately hit orbital targets from the surface, so why not the reverse?
** Just because you can snipe a moving train doesn't mean that you can snipe somebody ''on'' a moving train. The cannon is not the most practical of weapons. The space station was a huge target in an obvious trajectory, which also isn't trying to dodge. It's not the same for some dudes in mechs in a desert. They don't have a spotter, they don't have any satellite support, and the orbital gun doesn't look like it is rated to work in space what with all the ground condensers it had. (And they're using the Dynames at this point of time. The Cherudim comes later.)
* How did they get Soma back onto the Ptolemaios after [[spoiler:Sergei's death]]? Meaning, why would she have simply gone with Celestial Being, whom she considered her enemies?
** Where else would she have gone? The A-LAWS? It was one of them that [[spoiler:killed Sergei]]! And of course, she was reported dead. Besides, the impression I got was that the Soma and Marie personalities had more or less merged by that point: she reverted to being Soma because that's the name [[spoiler:Sergei knew her by]], and it was her only remaining connection to him. So she didn't consider Celestial Being her enemies: she still had Marie's memories and feelings.
* [[spoiler:Ribbons has thousands of Trans-Am powered suits with innovator pilots, but makes them a suicide squad and has them charge in predictable straight lines. Two questions: why give them pilots at all except to KickTheDog, and why not equip them with a few guns and make them an unstoppable army rather than glorified bullets?]]
** They actually had guns, but didn't use them in the attack. Which makes this even worse.
* question regarding the GN-drive taus, why on earth didn't CB sue to the earth federation over them manufacturing knock offs? surely aeolia schenberg would have had the foresight to have the GN drive patented.(actually this is a criticism that could be applied to most black box technology and super prototypes in general)
** Because if he had then everyone would know about them and everyone would have them.
*** Wat. I'm sorry, I don't think patent laws apply when you're notorious global terrorists who use high-end technology which ''isn't patented'' because ''nobody outside Celestial Being's head engineers know how it works''. Do you think CB has a legal team hidden somewhere? Maybe some lobbyists trying to make their interventions legal?
*** Seriously, you can't patent a ''secret invention never shown to any state official'', and even if you could, the patent would have long since become public in the 200 years from its invention.
* Why did Ribbons hack into Veda to recommend Setsuna as a Meister? I understand why he spared him all those years before, but Ribbons Almark has demonstrated time and again that he has a massive god complex and is an utter sociopath, so why did he do that? It seemed out of character.
** Probably because he was aware that the Ptolemy crew was supposed to be killed at the end of S1. That's why he didn't go himself. As for why Setsuna specifically: You mentioned it yourself, it's Ribbons' God complex. Set looked at 0 gundam (so indirectly at Ribbons) as if it were a god, and Ribbons played god for him due to his massive ego. He's just toying around with him. Setsuna, with his love for gundam, is ''in theory'' easy to manipulate.
** Branching off the God Complex thing, basically Ribbon's wanted Setsuna to be a Gundam Meister because he considered Setsuna his first "worshiper" in a sense. If you think about it Setsuna and Ribbons both pretty much created each others personalities for the main story line. Because of the Gundam Ribbon's was piloting Setsuna became obsessed with Gundams and thought of them as a god, starting his strange Gundam fetish. While Ribbons saw this random kid who stared up at him as if he were a god, and this started his "A God am I" complex.
* What ever happened to the poltical figures from Season 1 during Season 2? In S1, we get several scenes of them, providing their personal insight and reactions. It was nice to see their POV. Then by Season 2, they disappear?
** Ribbons set up a puppet government in the TimeSkip. Politicians who had risen to power themselves, and were not under his control, are a threat. Most likely he either had them assassinated or simply maneuvered them out of office through some legal means. No real point in seeing the puppet officials' POV because Ribbons ''is'' the government at that point. His POV is the only one of any real consequence.
** Even so, you'd think they give them some ending. They were an important part of Season 1, and more interesting than the villains the show ended with.
** Didn't the leaders appear in the 00 Movie as part of the new President's Cabinet? I think I saw them when everyone was reacting to the flower made by the ELS. I think the Union and HRL leaders were there.
* I'm surprised this is only being brought up now, but at the end of the last episode of S2, there's a conference. As the camera shows who is there, you can clearly see a woman that looks waaay to much to Anew Returner, only she's wearing a suit and glasses. What's up with that?
** That one actually looks more like Revive Revival, albeit female (who is Anew's pair-mate among the Innovades anyway). Probably a production-model Innovade tasked with assisting the new female president of the Federation; she had more screentime in ''Anime/Gundam00AWakeningOfTheTrailblazer'' if you must.
* What's up with H/Allelujah's tactics vs Hilling's Garrazo in the final fight? Yeah, it was awesome, but it was stupid. Arios has much better guns than the Garrazo and is a hell of a lot faster, so why didn't he just stay at a distance and blast the Garrazo to death. Failing that, why on earth did he throw away the GN cannon by using it as a club while he had a beam saber left and then launch the ramming attack that gave Hilling a chance to actually cause damage without bothering to rip off the remaining arm like he did the first. H/Allelujah is ruthless, not stupid. It probably wouldn't have saved him from Ribbons attack, but Ribbons was so using plothax for that stunt with the fin fangs it isn't funny. We already know super soldiers have the reflexs to blast fangs out of the sky from when Soma did it to the Throne Zwei's fangs using a GN-X's head guns after all.
** Welcome to Gundam, you must be new here. Fights haven't been finished at range in fifteen years. Always melee.
* How come, post-Azadistan, Graham never bothered asking Setsuna his name during their fights, even in A Wakening of the Trailblazer, he has [[spoiler:or had]] yet to ask Setsuna his name, what gives?
** You really think he would ''tell'' him?
*** Okay, maybe not Setsuna, but what about during the movie, where Feldt and Graham were looking at Setsuna's post-[[spoiler:MindRape]] body after the latter saved him, he could have asked Feldt then and there, right?
* In one episode, we see Setsuna (fully-clothed) diving into the water and entering Exia. How come the water didn't short out the controls in the cockpit? How was the water evacuated? And did he dried his clothes while flying?
** You really think the only season 1 unit that's remotely effective underwater isn't waterproofed like hell?
** If you watch episode 5 again and look closely, you see that Setsuna actually swims down to a gundam container, the same as on the island and fitted to the Ptolemaios, presumably it has an airlock.
* I've thought about this for a while now and it really bugs me: How did Celestial Being retrieve Kyrios' GN Drive after the great battle in the Season 1 Finale? It was revealed in Season 2 that Kyrios was captured by the HRL, that's why they had Allelujah in that prison thing for all those 4 years. Did he eject the GN Drive like what Tieria did with Nadleeh? If so, how come CB wasn't able to locate and recover Kyrios like what they did with Nadleeh?
** One the side stories says that Allelujah ejected the drive. When Tieria ejected his drive the screens show that it started to move towards the assault container while Nadleeh was drifting away. Newton's second law of motion, push something one way and you go the other. By the time the CB crew had recovered Nadleeh's Drive, Tieria and Kyrios' drive, Kyrios had drifted to the enemy fleet and been captured, he wasn't far away from Sergei and Soma remember and a rescue party was obviously coming for them.
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** As far as I can tell the only straight way to decide if something is a Gundam in 00 is if it's called Gundam * something* or * something* Gundam.
** My understanding was that the true gundams were the ones with true GN Drives, and that all of the suits with GN-Tau drives were misnamed when they were called Gundams. No one knew about GN-Tau drives when the Thrones showed up, so it seemed reasonable to call them Gundams. When the nations of the Earth got GN-Taus, the GN-XIII's were Gundams for simplicity's sake. The Aheads were likely meant to be the models that would replace the "Gundams". My guess is that Ribbons calls his machine a Gundam because it's an imitation of the 00.
** They have the traditional Gundam "v-fins" on their foreheads. And I feel that they were designed to look far less humanoid than the original Gundams so that the negative connotations would ring even louder.
** The closest thing that the series has as a definition for what a "gundam" is is rather philosophical. At one point, Lockon describes it as "The embodiment of the eradication of war." In this case, it could be said that the Gundams are the overt devices designed to be used for Celestial Being's armed interventions with the purpose of ending conflict and war in the world, hence Setsuna's obsession with "becoming a gundam." That's why the Thrones are referred to as gundams as well, since when they initially appear, they are conducting armed interventions like the previous group.
* I'm just curious. Did anyone else notice the suspiciously familiar looking people popping up in the different crowds throughout the credit sequence of the final episode? The only reason I'm posting it here is because I can't for the life of me figure out what trope that falls under.
** Those are Veda's repurposed Innovades. Veda has both pilot Innovades and general purpose Innovades who merge into the population to live and send back data for Veda to process. Their presence is probably meant to imply that Veda has a lot to do with the present status-quo. Though I like to think that Ribbons was reborn as an Azadistani citizen after getting stabbed in the face.
* How about the RedShirtArmy of mass-produced Kamikaze Ahead suits used by Ribbons in the last battle? Surely, judging from their lack of direction-changing ability and low-level damage, missiles would be cheaper...
** Ribbons is a monster. That is all.
* The Surveyors. Apart from the scene involving the debate revolving around Team Trinity, they haven't really been addressed or brought up at all. Based on Alejandro's involvement, I assume that they are organizers of Celestial Being, but there's a suspicious lack of focus on them, even after Celestial Being's reemergence in season 2. Are there any background materials or anything that sheds any light on them, or do we have to wait for TheMovie for clarification?
** Concerning why they didn't show up in the second season, it's AllThereInTheManual that Ali hunted down and killed them all in between seasons, presumably on Ribbons's orders.
** They are comprise of two groups; prominent people of the time and people from family of observers. They are some safe-lock if Veda or Celestial Being goes rogue or made a suspicious move. They can veto Veda's decision, in case they as a collective made a decision to do so. In Episode 16, they thought Veda did a suspicious move of hiding the information about the new Gundam Meisters, so they assessed the situation in that scene. The epsiode also showed how they debated about Celestial Being`s actions, only they didn't go anywhere since someone in them is opposing the recommendations.
* Where on earth were Saji and Louise in the scene where she chokes him before seeing his ring? I can't see any way they could have got from the 0-Raiser cockpit to anywhere else without un-combining and hugely damaging 00-Gundam's fighting strength.
** They were inside the Celestial Being.
* Okay, what exactly ''is'' Veda's deal? How does it work exactly? How come Tieria and Regene managed to upload themselves into Veda when no other Innovator did after dying? Was it fucking with Ribbonz the entire time, waiting for a crucial moment to backstab him?
** Regene had seen Ribbons do it, so he/she (not sure) knew it was possible. Quite possible that none of the other Innovades knew this. Probably helped Tieria do it when the time came. As for why Ribbons doesn't come back again after being killed by Setsuna, the last time he did that he was in control of Veda. This time, Tieria had control. He probably blocked any attempt Ribbons made to upload himself.
* How come the 00 had the software to initiate Trans-Am Burst if its OS was independent of Veda? The GN Drive engineers have no idea about Innovation, so ''they'' can't have input it as a failsafe.
** It was likely another 'Black Box' within the Gundams or the GN Drives. And in this Troper's impression, the OS used by the Gundams probably only 'phoned home' to Veda, so Celestial Being just rigged up a way to trick it into thinking that it had Veda's permission to operate.
** Actually, Veda always have its eyes on the GN Drives, so its possible its a software from Veda. Ribbons didn't know about this; obviously, there are many things in Veda that cannot be unveiled easily.
* Season 1, Episode 15. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Celestial Being's entire reason for being there to stop a terrorist attack? So, why not just nuke them from orbit? It's already been demonstrated that the Lockon and the Cherudim can accurately hit orbital targets from the surface, so why not the reverse?
** Just because you can snipe a moving train doesn't mean that you can snipe somebody ''on'' a moving train. The cannon is not the most practical of weapons. The space station was a huge target in an obvious trajectory, which also isn't trying to dodge. It's not the same for some dudes in mechs in a desert. They don't have a spotter, they don't have any satellite support, and the orbital gun doesn't look like it is rated to work in space what with all the ground condensers it had. (And they're using the Dynames at this point of time. The Cherudim comes later.)
* How did they get Soma back onto the Ptolemaios after [[spoiler:Sergei's death]]? Meaning, why would she have simply gone with Celestial Being, whom she considered her enemies?
** Where else would she have gone? The A-LAWS? It was one of them that [[spoiler:killed Sergei]]! And of course, she was reported dead. Besides, the impression I got was that the Soma and Marie personalities had more or less merged by that point: she reverted to being Soma because that's the name [[spoiler:Sergei knew her by]], and it was her only remaining connection to him. So she didn't consider Celestial Being her enemies: she still had Marie's memories and feelings.
* [[spoiler:Ribbons has thousands of Trans-Am powered suits with innovator pilots, but makes them a suicide squad and has them charge in predictable straight lines. Two questions: why give them pilots at all except to KickTheDog, and why not equip them with a few guns and make them an unstoppable army rather than glorified bullets?]]
** They actually had guns, but didn't use them in the attack. Which makes this even worse.
* question regarding the GN-drive taus, why on earth didn't CB sue to the earth federation over them manufacturing knock offs? surely aeolia schenberg would have had the foresight to have the GN drive patented.(actually this is a criticism that could be applied to most black box technology and super prototypes in general)
** Because if he had then everyone would know about them and everyone would have them.
*** Wat. I'm sorry, I don't think patent laws apply when you're notorious global terrorists who use high-end technology which ''isn't patented'' because ''nobody outside Celestial Being's head engineers know how it works''. Do you think CB has a legal team hidden somewhere? Maybe some lobbyists trying to make their interventions legal?
*** Seriously, you can't patent a ''secret invention never shown to any state official'', and even if you could, the patent would have long since become public in the 200 years from its invention.
* Why did Ribbons hack into Veda to recommend Setsuna as a Meister? I understand why he spared him all those years before, but Ribbons Almark has demonstrated time and again that he has a massive god complex and is an utter sociopath, so why did he do that? It seemed out of character.
** Probably because he was aware that the Ptolemy crew was supposed to be killed at the end of S1. That's why he didn't go himself. As for why Setsuna specifically: You mentioned it yourself, it's Ribbons' God complex. Set looked at 0 gundam (so indirectly at Ribbons) as if it were a god, and Ribbons played god for him due to his massive ego. He's just toying around with him. Setsuna, with his love for gundam, is ''in theory'' easy to manipulate.
** Branching off the God Complex thing, basically Ribbon's wanted Setsuna to be a Gundam Meister because he considered Setsuna his first "worshiper" in a sense. If you think about it Setsuna and Ribbons both pretty much created each others personalities for the main story line. Because of the Gundam Ribbon's was piloting Setsuna became obsessed with Gundams and thought of them as a god, starting his strange Gundam fetish. While Ribbons saw this random kid who stared up at him as if he were a god, and this started his "A God am I" complex.
* What ever happened to the poltical figures from Season 1 during Season 2? In S1, we get several scenes of them, providing their personal insight and reactions. It was nice to see their POV. Then by Season 2, they disappear?
** Ribbons set up a puppet government in the TimeSkip. Politicians who had risen to power themselves, and were not under his control, are a threat. Most likely he either had them assassinated or simply maneuvered them out of office through some legal means. No real point in seeing the puppet officials' POV because Ribbons ''is'' the government at that point. His POV is the only one of any real consequence.
** Even so, you'd think they give them some ending. They were an important part of Season 1, and more interesting than the villains the show ended with.
** Didn't the leaders appear in the 00 Movie as part of the new President's Cabinet? I think I saw them when everyone was reacting to the flower made by the ELS. I think the Union and HRL leaders were there.
* I'm surprised this is only being brought up now, but at the end of the last episode of S2, there's a conference. As the camera shows who is there, you can clearly see a woman that looks waaay to much to Anew Returner, only she's wearing a suit and glasses. What's up with that?
** That one actually looks more like Revive Revival, albeit female (who is Anew's pair-mate among the Innovades anyway). Probably a production-model Innovade tasked with assisting the new female president of the Federation; she had more screentime in ''Anime/Gundam00AWakeningOfTheTrailblazer'' if you must.
* What's up with H/Allelujah's tactics vs Hilling's Garrazo in the final fight? Yeah, it was awesome, but it was stupid. Arios has much better guns than the Garrazo and is a hell of a lot faster, so why didn't he just stay at a distance and blast the Garrazo to death. Failing that, why on earth did he throw away the GN cannon by using it as a club while he had a beam saber left and then launch the ramming attack that gave Hilling a chance to actually cause damage without bothering to rip off the remaining arm like he did the first. H/Allelujah is ruthless, not stupid. It probably wouldn't have saved him from Ribbons attack, but Ribbons was so using plothax for that stunt with the fin fangs it isn't funny. We already know super soldiers have the reflexs to blast fangs out of the sky from when Soma did it to the Throne Zwei's fangs using a GN-X's head guns after all.
** Welcome to Gundam, you must be new here. Fights haven't been finished at range in fifteen years. Always melee.
* How come, post-Azadistan, Graham never bothered asking Setsuna his name during their fights, even in A Wakening of the Trailblazer, he has [[spoiler:or had]] yet to ask Setsuna his name, what gives?
** You really think he would ''tell'' him?
*** Okay, maybe not Setsuna, but what about during the movie, where Feldt and Graham were looking at Setsuna's post-[[spoiler:MindRape]] body after the latter saved him, he could have asked Feldt then and there, right?
* In one episode, we see Setsuna (fully-clothed) diving into the water and entering Exia. How come the water didn't short out the controls in the cockpit? How was the water evacuated? And did he dried his clothes while flying?
** You really think the only season 1 unit that's remotely effective underwater isn't waterproofed like hell?
** If you watch episode 5 again and look closely, you see that Setsuna actually swims down to a gundam container, the same as on the island and fitted to the Ptolemaios, presumably it has an airlock.
* I've thought about this for a while now and it really bugs me: How did Celestial Being retrieve Kyrios' GN Drive after the great battle in the Season 1 Finale? It was revealed in Season 2 that Kyrios was captured by the HRL, that's why they had Allelujah in that prison thing for all those 4 years. Did he eject the GN Drive like what Tieria did with Nadleeh? If so, how come CB wasn't able to locate and recover Kyrios like what they did with Nadleeh?
** One the side stories says that Allelujah ejected the drive. When Tieria ejected his drive the screens show that it started to move towards the assault container while Nadleeh was drifting away. Newton's second law of motion, push something one way and you go the other. By the time the CB crew had recovered Nadleeh's Drive, Tieria and Kyrios' drive, Kyrios had drifted to the enemy fleet and been captured, he wasn't far away from Sergei and Soma remember and a rescue party was obviously coming for them.
** My understanding was that the true gundams were the ones with true GN Drives, and that all of the suits with GN-Tau drives were misnamed when they were called Gundams. No one knew about GN-Tau drives when the Thrones showed up, so it seemed reasonable to call them Gundams. When the nations of the Earth got GN-Taus, the GN-XIII's were Gundams for simplicity's sake. The Aheads were likely meant to be the models that would replace the "Gundams". My guess is that Ribbons calls his machine a Gundam because it's an imitation of the 00.
** They have the traditional Gundam "v-fins" on their foreheads. And I feel that they were designed to look far less humanoid than the original Gundams so that the negative connotations would ring even louder.
** The closest thing that the series has as a definition for what a "gundam" is is rather philosophical. At one point, Lockon describes it as "The embodiment of the eradication of war." In this case, it could be said that the Gundams are the overt devices designed to be used for Celestial Being's armed interventions with the purpose of ending conflict and war in the world, hence Setsuna's obsession with "becoming a gundam." That's why the Thrones are referred to as gundams as well, since when they initially appear, they are conducting armed interventions like the previous group.
* I'm just curious. Did anyone else notice the suspiciously familiar looking people popping up in the different crowds throughout the credit sequence of the final episode? The only reason I'm posting it here is because I can't for the life of me figure out what trope that falls under.
** Those are Veda's repurposed Innovades. Veda has both pilot Innovades and general purpose Innovades who merge into the population to live and send back data for Veda to process. Their presence is probably meant to imply that Veda has a lot to do with the present status-quo. Though I like to think that Ribbons was reborn as an Azadistani citizen after getting stabbed in the face.
* How about the RedShirtArmy of mass-produced Kamikaze Ahead suits used by Ribbons in the last battle? Surely, judging from their lack of direction-changing ability and low-level damage, missiles would be cheaper...
** Ribbons is a monster. That is all.
* The Surveyors. Apart from the scene involving the debate revolving around Team Trinity, they haven't really been addressed or brought up at all. Based on Alejandro's involvement, I assume that they are organizers of Celestial Being, but there's a suspicious lack of focus on them, even after Celestial Being's reemergence in season 2. Are there any background materials or anything that sheds any light on them, or do we have to wait for TheMovie for clarification?
** Concerning why they didn't show up in the second season, it's AllThereInTheManual that Ali hunted down and killed them all in between seasons, presumably on Ribbons's orders.
** They are comprise of two groups; prominent people of the time and people from family of observers. They are some safe-lock if Veda or Celestial Being goes rogue or made a suspicious move. They can veto Veda's decision, in case they as a collective made a decision to do so. In Episode 16, they thought Veda did a suspicious move of hiding the information about the new Gundam Meisters, so they assessed the situation in that scene. The epsiode also showed how they debated about Celestial Being`s actions, only they didn't go anywhere since someone in them is opposing the recommendations.
* Where on earth were Saji and Louise in the scene where she chokes him before seeing his ring? I can't see any way they could have got from the 0-Raiser cockpit to anywhere else without un-combining and hugely damaging 00-Gundam's fighting strength.
** They were inside the Celestial Being.
* Okay, what exactly ''is'' Veda's deal? How does it work exactly? How come Tieria and Regene managed to upload themselves into Veda when no other Innovator did after dying? Was it fucking with Ribbonz the entire time, waiting for a crucial moment to backstab him?
** Regene had seen Ribbons do it, so he/she (not sure) knew it was possible. Quite possible that none of the other Innovades knew this. Probably helped Tieria do it when the time came. As for why Ribbons doesn't come back again after being killed by Setsuna, the last time he did that he was in control of Veda. This time, Tieria had control. He probably blocked any attempt Ribbons made to upload himself.
* How come the 00 had the software to initiate Trans-Am Burst if its OS was independent of Veda? The GN Drive engineers have no idea about Innovation, so ''they'' can't have input it as a failsafe.
** It was likely another 'Black Box' within the Gundams or the GN Drives. And in this Troper's impression, the OS used by the Gundams probably only 'phoned home' to Veda, so Celestial Being just rigged up a way to trick it into thinking that it had Veda's permission to operate.
** Actually, Veda always have its eyes on the GN Drives, so its possible its a software from Veda. Ribbons didn't know about this; obviously, there are many things in Veda that cannot be unveiled easily.
* Season 1, Episode 15. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Celestial Being's entire reason for being there to stop a terrorist attack? So, why not just nuke them from orbit? It's already been demonstrated that the Lockon and the Cherudim can accurately hit orbital targets from the surface, so why not the reverse?
** Just because you can snipe a moving train doesn't mean that you can snipe somebody ''on'' a moving train. The cannon is not the most practical of weapons. The space station was a huge target in an obvious trajectory, which also isn't trying to dodge. It's not the same for some dudes in mechs in a desert. They don't have a spotter, they don't have any satellite support, and the orbital gun doesn't look like it is rated to work in space what with all the ground condensers it had. (And they're using the Dynames at this point of time. The Cherudim comes later.)
* How did they get Soma back onto the Ptolemaios after [[spoiler:Sergei's death]]? Meaning, why would she have simply gone with Celestial Being, whom she considered her enemies?
** Where else would she have gone? The A-LAWS? It was one of them that [[spoiler:killed Sergei]]! And of course, she was reported dead. Besides, the impression I got was that the Soma and Marie personalities had more or less merged by that point: she reverted to being Soma because that's the name [[spoiler:Sergei knew her by]], and it was her only remaining connection to him. So she didn't consider Celestial Being her enemies: she still had Marie's memories and feelings.
* [[spoiler:Ribbons has thousands of Trans-Am powered suits with innovator pilots, but makes them a suicide squad and has them charge in predictable straight lines. Two questions: why give them pilots at all except to KickTheDog, and why not equip them with a few guns and make them an unstoppable army rather than glorified bullets?]]
** They actually had guns, but didn't use them in the attack. Which makes this even worse.
* question regarding the GN-drive taus, why on earth didn't CB sue to the earth federation over them manufacturing knock offs? surely aeolia schenberg would have had the foresight to have the GN drive patented.(actually this is a criticism that could be applied to most black box technology and super prototypes in general)
** Because if he had then everyone would know about them and everyone would have them.
*** Wat. I'm sorry, I don't think patent laws apply when you're notorious global terrorists who use high-end technology which ''isn't patented'' because ''nobody outside Celestial Being's head engineers know how it works''. Do you think CB has a legal team hidden somewhere? Maybe some lobbyists trying to make their interventions legal?
*** Seriously, you can't patent a ''secret invention never shown to any state official'', and even if you could, the patent would have long since become public in the 200 years from its invention.
* Why did Ribbons hack into Veda to recommend Setsuna as a Meister? I understand why he spared him all those years before, but Ribbons Almark has demonstrated time and again that he has a massive god complex and is an utter sociopath, so why did he do that? It seemed out of character.
** Probably because he was aware that the Ptolemy crew was supposed to be killed at the end of S1. That's why he didn't go himself. As for why Setsuna specifically: You mentioned it yourself, it's Ribbons' God complex. Set looked at 0 gundam (so indirectly at Ribbons) as if it were a god, and Ribbons played god for him due to his massive ego. He's just toying around with him. Setsuna, with his love for gundam, is ''in theory'' easy to manipulate.
** Branching off the God Complex thing, basically Ribbon's wanted Setsuna to be a Gundam Meister because he considered Setsuna his first "worshiper" in a sense. If you think about it Setsuna and Ribbons both pretty much created each others personalities for the main story line. Because of the Gundam Ribbon's was piloting Setsuna became obsessed with Gundams and thought of them as a god, starting his strange Gundam fetish. While Ribbons saw this random kid who stared up at him as if he were a god, and this started his "A God am I" complex.
* What ever happened to the poltical figures from Season 1 during Season 2? In S1, we get several scenes of them, providing their personal insight and reactions. It was nice to see their POV. Then by Season 2, they disappear?
** Ribbons set up a puppet government in the TimeSkip. Politicians who had risen to power themselves, and were not under his control, are a threat. Most likely he either had them assassinated or simply maneuvered them out of office through some legal means. No real point in seeing the puppet officials' POV because Ribbons ''is'' the government at that point. His POV is the only one of any real consequence.
** Even so, you'd think they give them some ending. They were an important part of Season 1, and more interesting than the villains the show ended with.
** Didn't the leaders appear in the 00 Movie as part of the new President's Cabinet? I think I saw them when everyone was reacting to the flower made by the ELS. I think the Union and HRL leaders were there.
* I'm surprised this is only being brought up now, but at the end of the last episode of S2, there's a conference. As the camera shows who is there, you can clearly see a woman that looks waaay to much to Anew Returner, only she's wearing a suit and glasses. What's up with that?
** That one actually looks more like Revive Revival, albeit female (who is Anew's pair-mate among the Innovades anyway). Probably a production-model Innovade tasked with assisting the new female president of the Federation; she had more screentime in ''Anime/Gundam00AWakeningOfTheTrailblazer'' if you must.
* What's up with H/Allelujah's tactics vs Hilling's Garrazo in the final fight? Yeah, it was awesome, but it was stupid. Arios has much better guns than the Garrazo and is a hell of a lot faster, so why didn't he just stay at a distance and blast the Garrazo to death. Failing that, why on earth did he throw away the GN cannon by using it as a club while he had a beam saber left and then launch the ramming attack that gave Hilling a chance to actually cause damage without bothering to rip off the remaining arm like he did the first. H/Allelujah is ruthless, not stupid. It probably wouldn't have saved him from Ribbons attack, but Ribbons was so using plothax for that stunt with the fin fangs it isn't funny. We already know super soldiers have the reflexs to blast fangs out of the sky from when Soma did it to the Throne Zwei's fangs using a GN-X's head guns after all.
** Welcome to Gundam, you must be new here. Fights haven't been finished at range in fifteen years. Always melee.
* How come, post-Azadistan, Graham never bothered asking Setsuna his name during their fights, even in A Wakening of the Trailblazer, he has [[spoiler:or had]] yet to ask Setsuna his name, what gives?
** You really think he would ''tell'' him?
*** Okay, maybe not Setsuna, but what about during the movie, where Feldt and Graham were looking at Setsuna's post-[[spoiler:MindRape]] body after the latter saved him, he could have asked Feldt then and there, right?
* In one episode, we see Setsuna (fully-clothed) diving into the water and entering Exia. How come the water didn't short out the controls in the cockpit? How was the water evacuated? And did he dried his clothes while flying?
** You really think the only season 1 unit that's remotely effective underwater isn't waterproofed like hell?
** If you watch episode 5 again and look closely, you see that Setsuna actually swims down to a gundam container, the same as on the island and fitted to the Ptolemaios, presumably it has an airlock.
* I've thought about this for a while now and it really bugs me: How did Celestial Being retrieve Kyrios' GN Drive after the great battle in the Season 1 Finale? It was revealed in Season 2 that Kyrios was captured by the HRL, that's why they had Allelujah in that prison thing for all those 4 years. Did he eject the GN Drive like what Tieria did with Nadleeh? If so, how come CB wasn't able to locate and recover Kyrios like what they did with Nadleeh?
** One the side stories says that Allelujah ejected the drive. When Tieria ejected his drive the screens show that it started to move towards the assault container while Nadleeh was drifting away. Newton's second law of motion, push something one way and you go the other. By the time the CB crew had recovered Nadleeh's Drive, Tieria and Kyrios' drive, Kyrios had drifted to the enemy fleet and been captured, he wasn't far away from Sergei and Soma remember and a rescue party was obviously coming for them.
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* I've thought about this for a while now and it really bugs me: How did Celestial Being retrieve Kyrios' GN Drive after the great battle in the Season 1 Finale? It was revealed in Season 2 that Kyrios was captured by the HRL, that's why they had Allelujah in that prison thing for all those 4 years. Did he eject the GN Drive like what Tieria did with Nadleeh? If so, how come CB wasn't able to locate and recover Kyrios like what they did withNadleeh?Nadleeh?
**One the side stories says that Allelujah ejected the drive. When Tieria ejected his drive the screens show that it started to move towards the assault container while Nadleeh was drifting away. Newton's second law of motion, push something one way and you go the other. By the time the CB crew had recovered Nadleeh's Drive, Tieria and Kyrios' drive, Kyrios had drifted to the enemy fleet and been captured, he wasn't far away from Sergei and Soma remember and a rescue party was obviously coming for them.
* I've thought about this for a while now and it really bugs me: How did Celestial Being retrieve Kyrios' GN Drive after the great battle in the Season 1 Finale? It was revealed in Season 2 that Kyrios was captured by the HRL, that's why they had Allelujah in that prison thing for all those 4 years. Did he eject the GN Drive like what Tieria did with Nadleeh? If so, how come CB wasn't able to locate and recover Kyrios like what they did with
**One the side stories says that Allelujah ejected the drive. When Tieria ejected his drive the screens show that it started to move towards the assault container while Nadleeh was drifting away. Newton's second law of motion, push something one way and you go the other. By the time the CB crew had recovered Nadleeh's Drive, Tieria and Kyrios' drive, Kyrios had drifted to the enemy fleet and been captured, he wasn't far away from Sergei and Soma remember and a rescue party was obviously coming for them.
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** You really think the only season 1 unit that's remotely effective underwater isn't waterproofed like hell?hell?
* I've thought about this for a while now and it really bugs me: How did Celestial Being retrieve Kyrios' GN Drive after the great battle in the Season 1 Finale? It was revealed in Season 2 that Kyrios was captured by the HRL, that's why they had Allelujah in that prison thing for all those 4 years. Did he eject the GN Drive like what Tieria did with Nadleeh? If so, how come CB wasn't able to locate and recover Kyrios like what they did with Nadleeh?
* I've thought about this for a while now and it really bugs me: How did Celestial Being retrieve Kyrios' GN Drive after the great battle in the Season 1 Finale? It was revealed in Season 2 that Kyrios was captured by the HRL, that's why they had Allelujah in that prison thing for all those 4 years. Did he eject the GN Drive like what Tieria did with Nadleeh? If so, how come CB wasn't able to locate and recover Kyrios like what they did with Nadleeh?
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* In one episode, we see Setsuna (fully-clothed) diving into the water and entering Exia. How come the water didn't short out the controls in the cockpit? How was the water evacuated? And did he dried his clothes while flying?flying?
** You really think the only season 1 unit that's remotely effective underwater isn't waterproofed like hell?
** You really think the only season 1 unit that's remotely effective underwater isn't waterproofed like hell?
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** They are comprise of two groups; prominent people of the time and people from family of observers. They are some safe-lock if Veda or Celestial Being goes rogue or made a suspicious move. They can veto Veda's decision, in case they as a collective made a decision to do so. In Episode 16, they thought Veda did a suspicious move of hiding the information about the new Gundam Meisters, so they assessed the situation in that scene. The epsiode also showed how they debated about Celestial Being`s actions, only they didn't go anywhere since someone in them is opposing the recommendations.
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*** Okay, maybe not Setsuna, but what about during the movie, where Feldt and Graham were looking at Setsuna's post-[[spoiler:MindRape]] body after the latter saved him, he could have asked Feldt then and there, right?right?
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* In one episode, we see Setsuna (fully-clothed) diving into the water and entering Exia. How come the water didn't short out the controls in the cockpit? And how was the water was evacuated?
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*** Okay, maybe not Setsuna, but what about during the movie, where Feldt and Graham were looking at Setsuna's post-[[MindRape]] post-[[spoiler:MindRape]] body after the latter saved him, he could have asked Feldt then and there, right?
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*** Okay, maybe not Setsuna, but what about during the movie, where Feldt and Graham were looking at Setsuna's post-[[MindRape]] body after the latter saved him, he could have asked Feldt then and there, right?
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* How come, post-Azadistan, Graham never bothered asking Setsuna his name during their fights, even in A Wakening of the Trailblazer, he has [[spoiler:or had]] yet to ask Setsuna his name, what gives?
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* How come, post-Azadistan, Graham never bothered asking Setsuna his name during their fights, even in A Wakening of the Trailblazer, he has [[spoiler:or had]] yet to ask Setsuna his name, what gives?gives?
** You really think he would ''tell'' him?
** You really think he would ''tell'' him?
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* How come, post-Azadistan, Graham never bothered asking Setsuna his name during the fights, even in A Wakening of the Trailblazer, he has [[spoiler:or had]] yet to ask Setsuna his name, what gives?
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* How come, post-Azadistan, Graham never bothered asking Setsuna his name during the their fights, even in A Wakening of the Trailblazer, he has [[spoiler:or had]] yet to ask Setsuna his name, what gives?
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** Welcome to Gundam, you must be new here. Fights haven't been finished at range in fifteen years. Always melee.
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** Welcome to Gundam, you must be new here. Fights haven't been finished at range in fifteen years. Always melee.melee.
* How come, post-Azadistan, Graham never bothered asking Setsuna his name during the fights, even in A Wakening of the Trailblazer, he has [[spoiler:or had]] yet to ask Setsuna his name, what gives?
* How come, post-Azadistan, Graham never bothered asking Setsuna his name during the fights, even in A Wakening of the Trailblazer, he has [[spoiler:or had]] yet to ask Setsuna his name, what gives?
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** That one actually looks more like Revive Revival, albeit female (who is Anew's pair-mate among the Innovades anyway). Probably a production-model Innovade tasked with assisting the new female president of the Federation; she had more screentime in ''Gundam00AWakeningOfTheTrailblazer'' if you must.
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** That one actually looks more like Revive Revival, albeit female (who is Anew's pair-mate among the Innovades anyway). Probably a production-model Innovade tasked with assisting the new female president of the Federation; she had more screentime in ''Gundam00AWakeningOfTheTrailblazer'' ''Anime/Gundam00AWakeningOfTheTrailblazer'' if you must.
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** Repressed memories ([[CompleteMonster considering what happened later on in the escape]], not surprising...), or just forgetting that she existed due to being away for YEARS. OR Hallelujah was being a dick and repressed the memory.
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** Repressed memories ([[CompleteMonster considering (considering what happened later on in the escape]], escape, not surprising...), or just forgetting that she existed due to being away for YEARS. OR Hallelujah was being a dick and repressed the memory.
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* What's up with H/Allelujah's tactics vs Hilling's Garrazo in the final fight? Yeah, it was awesome, but it was stupid. Arios has much better guns than the Garrazo and is a hell of a lot faster, so why didn't he just stay at a distance and blast the Garrazo to death. Failing that, why on earth did he throw away the GN cannon by using it as a club while he had a beam saber left and then launch the ramming attack that gave Hilling a chance to actually cause damage without bothering to rip off the remaining arm like he did the first. H/Allelujah is ruthless, not stupid. It probably wouldn't have saved him from Ribbons attack, but Ribbons was so using plothax for that stunt with the fin fangs it isn't funny. We already know super soldiers have the reflexs to blast fangs out of the sky from when Soma did it to the Throne Zwei's fangs using a GN-X's head guns after all.
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* What's up with H/Allelujah's tactics vs Hilling's Garrazo in the final fight? Yeah, it was awesome, but it was stupid. Arios has much better guns than the Garrazo and is a hell of a lot faster, so why didn't he just stay at a distance and blast the Garrazo to death. Failing that, why on earth did he throw away the GN cannon by using it as a club while he had a beam saber left and then launch the ramming attack that gave Hilling a chance to actually cause damage without bothering to rip off the remaining arm like he did the first. H/Allelujah is ruthless, not stupid. It probably wouldn't have saved him from Ribbons attack, but Ribbons was so using plothax for that stunt with the fin fangs it isn't funny. We already know super soldiers have the reflexs to blast fangs out of the sky from when Soma did it to the Throne Zwei's fangs using a GN-X's head guns after all.all.
** Welcome to Gundam, you must be new here. Fights haven't been finished at range in fifteen years. Always melee.
** Welcome to Gundam, you must be new here. Fights haven't been finished at range in fifteen years. Always melee.
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** That one actually looks more like Revive Revival, albeit female (who is Anew's pair-mate among the Innovades anyway). Probably a production-model Innovade tasked with assisting the new female president of the Federation; she had more screentime in ''Gundam00AWakeningOfTheTrailblazer'' if you must.
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** That one actually looks more like Revive Revival, albeit female (who is Anew's pair-mate among the Innovades anyway). Probably a production-model Innovade tasked with assisting the new female president of the Federation; she had more screentime in ''Gundam00AWakeningOfTheTrailblazer'' if you must.must.
* What's up with H/Allelujah's tactics vs Hilling's Garrazo in the final fight? Yeah, it was awesome, but it was stupid. Arios has much better guns than the Garrazo and is a hell of a lot faster, so why didn't he just stay at a distance and blast the Garrazo to death. Failing that, why on earth did he throw away the GN cannon by using it as a club while he had a beam saber left and then launch the ramming attack that gave Hilling a chance to actually cause damage without bothering to rip off the remaining arm like he did the first. H/Allelujah is ruthless, not stupid. It probably wouldn't have saved him from Ribbons attack, but Ribbons was so using plothax for that stunt with the fin fangs it isn't funny. We already know super soldiers have the reflexs to blast fangs out of the sky from when Soma did it to the Throne Zwei's fangs using a GN-X's head guns after all.
* What's up with H/Allelujah's tactics vs Hilling's Garrazo in the final fight? Yeah, it was awesome, but it was stupid. Arios has much better guns than the Garrazo and is a hell of a lot faster, so why didn't he just stay at a distance and blast the Garrazo to death. Failing that, why on earth did he throw away the GN cannon by using it as a club while he had a beam saber left and then launch the ramming attack that gave Hilling a chance to actually cause damage without bothering to rip off the remaining arm like he did the first. H/Allelujah is ruthless, not stupid. It probably wouldn't have saved him from Ribbons attack, but Ribbons was so using plothax for that stunt with the fin fangs it isn't funny. We already know super soldiers have the reflexs to blast fangs out of the sky from when Soma did it to the Throne Zwei's fangs using a GN-X's head guns after all.
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*** Actually, only the Thrones, original 30 GN-Xs, GN Flag and possibly Arche have that issue. It was never a property of Tau drives, just an effect of tuning the particles for beam weapon efficiency in a certain way, and they fixed it over the time skip. If Arche has it, it's because Ali would see it as a benefit.
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** Even so, you'd think they give them some ending. They were an important part of Season 1. Heck, they could at least given a explanation what happened to the Observers. You know, guys that were in one episode, but then promptly forgotten? No wonder Season 2 is considered inferior.
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** Even so, you'd think they give them some ending. They were an important part of Season 1. Heck, they could at least given a explanation what happened to 1, and more interesting than the Observers. You know, guys that were in one episode, but then promptly forgotten? No wonder Season 2 is considered inferior.villains the show ended with.
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** Even so, you'd think they give them some ending. They were an important part of Season 1. Heck, they could at least given a explanation what happened to the Observers. You know, guys that were in one episode, but then promptly forgotten? No wonder Season 2 is considered inferior.
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** Ribbons set up a puppet government in the TimeSkip. Politicians who had risen to power themselves, and were not under his control, are a threat. Most likely he either had them assassinated or simply maneuvered them out of office through some legal means. No real point in seeing the puppet officials' POV because Ribbons ''is'' the government at that point. His POV is the only one of any real consequence.
