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** That anyone had the guts to try to hit Leo, much less in his own bedroom, is what the problem was. Leo used to be too big for anyone to challenge like that, but as Tom and Johnny said, Caspar wasn't afraid of Leo anymore. Remember, even the Dane was worried about Caspar pushing Leo too far in the opening scene. If not for Tom, Johnny'd have won.
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*** It's also worth remembering that Bernie's well-known as a scam artist, even before this. The community might make noise about Leo's protection, but everyone knows Bernie had it coming.
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*** I guess Bernie recognized from the very start that the absence of body is bound to make someone suspicious in the end, so made sure that the body was to be found where it was supposed to be found.
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*** I guess Bernie recognized from the very start that the absence of body is bound to make someone suspicious in the end, so he made sure that the body was to be found where it was supposed to be found.found. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out Bernie planned Mink's murder the moment he was spared by Tom.
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**** I guess Bernie recognized from the very start that the absence of body is bound to make someone suspicious in the end, so made sure that the body was to be found where it was supposed to be found.
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* Despite having ulterior motives for protecting Bernie, and despite the latter being a CompleteMonster, Leo [[JerkassHasAPoint has a point]] in the opening scene. Bernie pays him for protection, and the fact that Caspar pays more doesn't give him a license to kill. If Leo let anyone with money get around his protection, that business would quickly go down the drain, considering how it doesn't look like we're talking about typical gangster movie "pay me or I'll destroy your stuff" protection here; both Bernie and Caspar are on decent terms with Leo before the movie begins, so they're probably not being blackmailed. Nor does the fact that Bernie is a cheater somehow make his protection null and void, because the whole point is that he had been cheating on Caspar's ''fixed'' matches. Point is, Tom chews Leo out for doing something completely reasonable and possibly the whole plot could have been avoided if they would have just pointed out to Caspar that the precedent of killing someone under protection would be as dangerous to him as it would be to Bernie.
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* Despite having ulterior motives for protecting Bernie, and despite the latter being a CompleteMonster, monster, Leo [[JerkassHasAPoint has a point]] in the opening scene. Bernie pays him for protection, and the fact that Caspar pays more doesn't give him a license to kill. If Leo let anyone with money get around his protection, that business would quickly go down the drain, considering how it doesn't look like we're talking about typical gangster movie "pay me or I'll destroy your stuff" protection here; both Bernie and Caspar are on decent terms with Leo before the movie begins, so they're probably not being blackmailed. Nor does the fact that Bernie is a cheater somehow make his protection null and void, because the whole point is that he had been cheating on Caspar's ''fixed'' matches. Point is, Tom chews Leo out for doing something completely reasonable and possibly the whole plot could have been avoided if they would have just pointed out to Caspar that the precedent of killing someone under protection would be as dangerous to him as it would be to Bernie.
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** Tom's point is that protecting Bernie would start a war with Caspar, which it does, while letting Caspar kill Bernie costs Leo relatively nothing from a business standpoint. Tom knows better than the viewer whether Leo can get away with withholding his protection from people like Bernie, and he thinks it's preferable to do it over fighting Caspar. We never see what would have happened if Leo had granted Caspar his wish, so it's pure speculation to say how it would have turned out for Leo.
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* Despite having ulterior motives for protecting Bernie, and despite the latter being a CompleteMonster, Leo [[JerkassHasAPoint has a point]] in the opening scene. Bernie pays him for protection, and the fact that Caspar pays more doesn't give him a license to kill. If Leo let anyone with money get around his protection, that business would quickly go down the drain, considering how it doesn't look like we're talking about typical gangster movie "pay me or I'll destroy your stuff" protection here; both Bernie and Caspar are on decent terms with Leo before the movie begins, so they're probably not being blackmailed. Nor does the fact that Bernie is a cheater somehow make his protection null and void, because the whole point is that he had been cheating on Caspar's ''fixed'' matches. Point is, Tom chews Leo out for doing something completely reasonable and possibly the whole plot could have been avoided if they would have just pointed out to Caspar that the precedent of killing someone under protection would be as dangerous to him as it would be to Bernie.
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** Leo's fortunes quickly take a turn after the assassination attempt, with Casper kicking him off a city committee and getting the backing of the mayor and police. So it would appear that the assassination attempt made him vulnerable by putting him on the defensive and making it look like he was on his way out, causing his allies to abandon him.
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** Leo may be an artist with a Thompson, but he's still lucky Johnny Caspar didn't send out the Dane the first time. The fact they got into his bedroom meant his security was compromised.
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* How exactly is 5'8" Creator/SteveBuscemi supposed to pass for 6 foot tall JohnTurturro, even with his face blown off?
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* How exactly is 5'8" Creator/SteveBuscemi supposed to pass for 6 foot tall JohnTurturro, Creator/JohnTurturro, even with his face blown off?
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* So Tom's upset at the whole assassin attempt on Leo's life. Thing is, he claims that the whole affair made Leo vulnerable. Umm, not sure what Tom heard, because I don't really consider [[{{Badass}} Leo expertly mowing down both of his would be assassins with a pistol and tommy gun, jumping down from his window, and shooting down a car firing at him]] a sign of vulnerability.
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* So Tom's upset at the whole assassin attempt on Leo's life. Thing is, he claims that the whole affair made Leo vulnerable. Umm, not sure what Tom heard, because I don't really consider [[{{Badass}} Leo expertly mowing down both of his would be assassins with a pistol and tommy gun, jumping down from his window, and shooting down a car firing at him]] him a sign of vulnerability.
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**** Considering that Mink's body was in significant enough a state of decay that the odor was overpowering even from several feet away, it seems unlikely that anyone would have been examining it closely enough for a more solid ID than "dark hair, white shirt, red suspenders, shot in the face". (Though this does beg the question -- how did Mink end up out there?)
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**** Considering that Mink's body was in significant enough a state of decay that the odor was overpowering even from several feet away, it seems unlikely that anyone would have been examining it closely enough for a more solid ID than "dark hair, white shirt, red suspenders, shot in the face". (Though this does beg the question -- how did Mink end up out there?) there? Did Bernie move his body, or was he alive when they drove out?)
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* So Tom's upset at the whole assassin attempt on Leo's life. Thing is, he claims that the whole affair made Leo vulnerable. Umm, not sure what Tom heard, because I don't really consider [[{{Badass}} Leo expertly mowing down both of his would be assassins with a pistol and tommy gun, jumping down from his window, and shooting down a car firing at him]] a sign of vulnerability.
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**** Considering that Mink's body was in significant enough a state of decay that the odor was overpowering even from several feet away, it seems unlikely that anyone would have been examining it closely enough for a more solid ID than "dark hair, white shirt, red suspenders, shot in the face". (Though this does beg the question -- how did Mink end up out there?)
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**** What's he going to do, pick over the corpse? He found what he was expecting.
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**** Adding to all that, the Dane did eventually figure out it was Mink, despite the state of the body. Maybe that was one of the factors, he just didn't notice at first.
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****Also the body had the same clothes Bernie was wearing.
