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** At least one planet description mentions attempts by vorcha to settle it, although it's said that due to atmospheric conditions, the few vorcha who do live there have a very difficult life fraught with severe medical problems. (Which, considering how the vorcha are pretty much unkillable by environmental factors, says a lot about conditions there.) That some vorcha are attempting colonization, if only on a planet that no one else wants (because who's going to let the vorcha get anything better?), proves that at least some of them must have at least ''some'' form of a independent government and a desire to escape control by other species by colonizing their own worlds. And to be honest, it sounds like a really tough life. I'm impressed by any vorcha that's willing to sacrifice that much for the chance to be out from everyone else's thumbs.
*** And there's also the consideration that the vorcha are part of ME society in the first place, which means they must have at least had some degree of technology. (not necessarily spaceflight--both the drell and the yahg were contacted by Council species before they attained spaceflight--but obviously some degree of technology, as it's never stated they were uplifted by anybody as the krogan were)
*** And there's also the consideration that the vorcha are part of ME society in the first place, which means they must have at least had some degree of technology. (not necessarily spaceflight--both the drell and the yahg were contacted by Council species before they attained spaceflight--but obviously some degree of technology, as it's never stated they were uplifted by anybody as the krogan were)
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*** And there's also the consideration that the vorcha are part of ME society in the first place, which means they must have at least had some degree of technology. (not necessarily spaceflight--both the drell and the yahg were contacted by Council species before they attained spaceflight--but obviously some degree of technology, as it's never stated they were uplifted by anybody as the krogan were)
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** At least one planet description mentions attempts by vorcha to settle it, although it's said that due to atmospheric conditions, the few vorcha who do live there have a very difficult life fraught with severe medical problems. (Which, considering how the vorcha are pretty much unkillable by environmental factors, says a lot about conditions there.) That some vorcha are attempting colonization, if only on a planet that no one else wants (because who's going to let the vorcha get anything better?), proves that at least some of them must have at least ''some'' form of a independent government and a desire to escape control by other species by colonizing their own worlds. And to be honest, it sounds like a really tough life. I'm impressed by any vorcha that's willing to sacrifice that much for the chance to be out from everyone else's thumbs.
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** If you read the post-mission screen for the Horizon mission, it mentions Harbinger as the Collector Leader, the possible means by which he possesses other Collectors, and his personal interest in Shepard.
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***** We get the ultimate answer to this question in the most recent DLC The Arrival. Shepard actually blows up a relay by flinging an asteroid into its core. The result is a miniature supernova that craters 3/4 of an entire system and 300,000 Batarians in the process.Go blowing up Relays everywhere and the galaxy become a much quieter place.
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* Harbinger gives various species quotes on why the other species are not what they are looking for to make a new reaper. What stumps me is that he says Turians are too primative. What does this mean for their genetic code? Because didn't we humans have more genetic variety when they were more primitive as oppose to what we have now? Aren't humans more primitive than Turians anyway?
** "Primitive" is a malleable concept, especially when the one who is considering genetic material too primitive is a millions-year-old cosmic horror. It is entirely possible that genetic progression on Palaven was limited and didn't result in a species with as much genetic potential as humans, or at least genetic material that is of value to the Reapers.\\
Also, keep in mind that the Reapers pumped a turian full of their tech to the point where said turian was a supreme unkillable badass. Then some un-upgraded human rolled up and bitch-slapped said turian. Make of that what you will.
** Turians are noted specifically as being very rigidly-minded, preferring familiarity and security above everything else. Through this, it's reasonable to assert that they're somewhat shy of progress as a culture - a political entity like the Hierarchy existing for as long as it has all but confirms this. They're primitive in the sense they're not nearly as fluid and adaptable as a society as the other species Harbinger disses.
*** While you are right, this is irrelevant to the OP's question. Culture should have little, if any impact, on using a species for the creation of a Reaper since it wouldn't impact their genetics. As stated above, it is likely that Harbinger refers to their genetic makeup as being primitive (in some way) over their culture being primitive or rigid.
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During his loyalty mission, you have to interrogate some guy, and the Paragon choice is to tell him to be bad cop. But he just stands there and does the exact same thing as if you had told him to be good cop. What the hell? Badass assassin who's son is on the line can't even pretend to be tough? That was quite possibly the worst "bad cop" I've ever seen.
** Thane's acting relative to you. If you're telling him to be bad cop, its because you're being good cop. If you're telling him to be good cop, you're playing the ''really'' bad cop. It also helps that you can pretty much toss out the whole thing and start beating the crap out of the prisoner.
*** Except he acted practically the same way both times.
*** ....yes, that's exactly what I said. His actions don't really change, but ''yours'' do depending on whether ''you're'' playing good or bad cop.
*** In other words, Thane is "cop," while you play either good cop or bad cop.
*** IIRC, there was supposed to be additional dialogue for Thane's bad cop role, but due to either removal or a glitch, Thane will always default to "good cop."
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During his loyalty mission, you have to interrogate some guy, and the Paragon choice is to tell him to be bad cop. But he just stands there and does the exact same thing as if you had told him to be good cop. What the hell? Badass assassin who's son is on the line can't even pretend to be tough? That was quite possibly the worst "bad cop" I've ever seen.
** Thane's acting relative to you. If you're telling him to be bad cop, its because you're being good cop. If you're telling him to be good cop, you're playing the ''really'' bad cop. It also helps that you can pretty much toss out the whole thing and start beating the crap out of the prisoner.
*** Except he acted practically the same way both times.
*** ....yes, that's exactly what I said. His actions don't really change, but ''yours'' do depending on whether ''you're'' playing good or bad cop.
*** In other words, Thane is "cop," while you play either good cop or bad cop.
*** IIRC, there was supposed to be additional dialogue for Thane's bad cop role, but due to either removal or a glitch, Thane will always default to "good cop."
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*** It's obvious that Liara wouldn't make that whole 'wanting to kill the Broker' thing public knowledge. That's a good way to wind up dead.
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**** On the subject of weakened immune systems, Tali was hyped up on immunoboosters when she came to visit you. It's possible that they were able to prevent the more severe reactions she could have had.
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** There are no amino acids, either dextro- or levo-, in wine - or indeed, in most alcoholic beverages. Just water, ethanol (which isn't a chiral molecule) and miscellaneous polyphenols. Leftover yeasts and fermentation byproducts are removed during the filtering and fining process. To that end, there's nothing in there that would affect either one of them adversely, unless you count the impending hangover from over-indulging in cheap booze.
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** There's also the fact that some of the other races have pretty good reasons not to be very genetically diverse, especially those that have been in space longest. Like the Asari, who are basically cloning themselves (with some randomness thrown in), the Salarians, which apprantly only have 10% of their population giving birth (females) and the Krogan, which likely have the genophage reducing their genetic diversity. We don't know about the Turians, but being clan based might also limit their over-all genetic diversity (inbreeding problems), or perhaps they had their own Ghengis Khan once that applied to their whole species instead of just to Asia. And of course perhaps in their history none of the other races where able to spread out as much as humans have on their respective planets during their own Stone Ages (or before) thus not having subspecies/races like we do.
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*** Errr... the only Reaper IFF Cerberus has is installed on the Normandy, and by the way they talked about it it appears to be physically attached and not just code. So how exactly would TIM access the base without Shepard on his side? I think the better explanation is that even if he gave it to the Council or the Alliance Cerberus would easily find a way to access it, seeing how they had agents everywhere, and the problem always was how Cerberus is willing to use the information in horrific ways.
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*** That's not going to work. Vido escaped because you're on the Blue Suns homeworld. Attempting orbital bombardment against the homeworld of a PMC with enough manpower to affect wars between star systems ''is a bad idea''.
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* On a related note, at one point she speaks of allergic reactions that can cause vomiting. So, how exactly does she... you know? Sorry. Here's your BrainBleach.
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* Wait, why did the Alliance think that hiring refugee scientists from who the horrifically unethical Cerberus project that produced Jack, who is nearly impossible to control, were good candidates for their new Biotic Kids Camp? I realize that military projects aren't always nice or remotely close to well-planned and they weren't allowed to explicitly torture the kids, but this is ridiculous.
** The impression I got (don't have the quest script on hand, sorry) was that the kids were taken to Brain Camp. Although the scientists could have been, too — do you expect they put "worked at a rogue Cerebus training camp for X years" on their resume?
** The log in question says that the scientists were intending to 'infiltrate' and 'piggyback onto' the Alliance's Ascension project. That definitely sounds like some resume faking is going on.
*** It's really irrelevant. None of the scientists were hired for Ascension; according to the Illusive Man's own personal log at the end of the mission, he ordered the surviving scientists and staff killed.
**** Not killed. Forcibly retired, was the terminology. They could very well be retired off some tropical planet somewhere. Such as certain [[GodwinsLaw scientists]] in our past...
** Also the scientist that mentions joining Ascension in a recording then says something along the lines of "Jack, NO!" so I'm thinking he didn't make it back to Sol...
*** The Illusive Man is DangerouslyGenreSavvy. He would know that make a kid super powerful through torture would come back and bite them in the ass big time.
** It's worth noting that there ARE Cerberus operatives on the Ascension project who are mentioned in one of the books. Whether or not they're from the Jack project or not is still up in the air (the Illusive man could be throwing up false info, but the motives set out for disapproving of the Jack project make sense).
*** I read the log entries about "piggybacking into Ascension Project" in the game to refer to Gillian Grayson, one of the main characters in Ascension.
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* Wait, why did the Alliance think that hiring refugee scientists from who the horrifically unethical Cerberus project that produced Jack, who is nearly impossible to control, were good candidates for their new Biotic Kids Camp? I realize that military projects aren't always nice or remotely close to well-planned and they weren't allowed to explicitly torture the kids, but this is ridiculous.
** The impression I got (don't have the quest script on hand, sorry) was that the kids were taken to Brain Camp. Although the scientists could have been, too — do you expect they put "worked at a rogue Cerebus training camp for X years" on their resume?
** The log in question says that the scientists were intending to 'infiltrate' and 'piggyback onto' the Alliance's Ascension project. That definitely sounds like some resume faking is going on.
*** It's really irrelevant. None of the scientists were hired for Ascension; according to the Illusive Man's own personal log at the end of the mission, he ordered the surviving scientists and staff killed.
**** Not killed. Forcibly retired, was the terminology. They could very well be retired off some tropical planet somewhere. Such as certain [[GodwinsLaw scientists]] in our past...
** Also the scientist that mentions joining Ascension in a recording then says something along the lines of "Jack, NO!" so I'm thinking he didn't make it back to Sol...
*** The Illusive Man is DangerouslyGenreSavvy. He would know that make a kid super powerful through torture would come back and bite them in the ass big time.
** It's worth noting that there ARE Cerberus operatives on the Ascension project who are mentioned in one of the books. Whether or not they're from the Jack project or not is still up in the air (the Illusive man could be throwing up false info, but the motives set out for disapproving of the Jack project make sense).
*** I read the log entries about "piggybacking into Ascension Project" in the game to refer to Gillian Grayson, one of the main characters in Ascension.
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* Zaeed's loyalty mission: If you save the plant workers, Vido makes an escape in a bog standard personal gunship, which crash-lands after Zaeed's rage-fire takes out the pilot. Then both you and Zaeed give up and call it a loss, cue dramatic "you have failed me" speech. Never mind that Vido didn't make it off the planet, that you can be at the crash site in five minutes thanks to your zippy little shuttle, and the biggest WallBanger, the Normandy is directly above your head in orbit, meaning that Vido doesn't have a prayer of leaving the planet even if he can pilot the gunship himself. So why don't we just go kill him? Agh!
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** It's called adjusting your theory to fit evidence. Happens all the time in the real world; you develop a working theory based on existing evidence, and if evidence ocmes along that throws the theory out of whack, you adjust the theory to accomodate this new evidence. The Council's theory that Sarenw as using the Reapers as a tool to motivate the geth worked at first because no one had actually encountered Sovereign; afterwards, the Council adjusted their theory to accomodate Sovereign. Note that after Sovereign's attack, they no longer seem to be adhering to the notion that Saren was acting as a prophet.
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** It's called adjusting your theory to fit evidence. Happens all the time in the real world; you develop a working theory based on existing evidence, and if evidence ocmes along that throws the theory out of whack, you adjust the theory to accomodate this new evidence. The Council's theory that Sarenw as Saren was using the Reapers as a tool to motivate the geth worked at first because no one had actually encountered Sovereign; afterwards, the Council adjusted their theory to accomodate Sovereign. Note that after Sovereign's attack, they no longer seem to be adhering to the notion that Saren was acting as a prophet.
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* Aren't all of you too eager to mock the council? Have you ever considered that they are VERY WELL aware of the reapers and the threat they pose, since as was already stated: ONE OF THEM NEARLY KILLED ALL OF THEM! The council kept civilization running for a very long time now, do you think they elect idiots into those offices as a matter of course? Those people might damn well be the smartest and most cunning guys the Turians, Salarians and Asari could find. Yes, they got caught pants down this one time - no one is omniscient - but how deluded do you have to be to think they would truly try to ignore the giant spacecthullu that was latched to their tower? Ask yourself: What are their options? Certainly not to incite panic by flat out admitting how close it was this time and that it gets worse. A major military mobilization would cause the same effect for no payoff, since no one knows when the reapers will arrive - heck they might take the scenic route and add a hundred odd years to the travel time, just to have everyone important (Shepard) die off old age or something. The Reapers could try to "fade into obscurity" is the punchline here. You mobilize a military for an imminent threat, not for something you do not now when it comes. The council would do the obvious thing: play dumb but secretly prepare for the worst - perhaps building a fleet that very much acts like Spectre's - independent, in secret, away from public eyes. Heck, the Turians build the Thanix, and i would hazard a guess that every ship is getting one of those - especially now that the Normandy has proven a frigate can waste a cruiser sized ship with that gun. The military will upgrade as a matter of course and the council in the meanwhile will make sure to divert shipments to create and equip its spectre like fleet of frigates/whatever else. Cerberus could build a ship in secret without the resources of at least 4 major galactic powers. So i expect 4 major galactic powers to be able to a build a fleet on their own - hidden from the public eye. And no, they would not tell Shepard. Shep is not trustworthy due to Cerberus involvement + they probably think that having Shep work his/her ass off because he/she thinks it all hinges on his/her efforts will make him/her perform an even better job.
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* Aren't all of you too eager to mock the council? Have you ever considered that they are VERY WELL aware of the reapers and the threat they pose, since as was already stated: ONE OF THEM NEARLY KILLED ALL OF THEM! The council kept civilization running for a very long time now, do you think they elect idiots into those offices as a matter of course? Those people might damn well be the smartest and most cunning guys the Turians, Salarians and Asari could find. Yes, they got caught pants down this one time - no one is omniscient - but how deluded do you have to be to think they would truly try to ignore the giant spacecthullu that was latched to their tower? Ask yourself: What are their options? Certainly not to incite panic by flat out admitting how close it was this time and that it gets worse. A major military mobilization would cause the same effect for no payoff, since no one knows when the reapers will arrive - heck they might take the scenic route and add a hundred odd years to the travel time, just to have everyone important (Shepard) die off old age or something. The Reapers could try to "fade into obscurity" is the punchline here. You mobilize a military for an imminent threat, not for something you do not now when it comes. The council would do the obvious thing: play dumb but secretly prepare for the worst - perhaps building a fleet that very much acts like Spectre's - independent, in secret, away from public eyes. Heck, the Turians build the Thanix, and i would hazard a guess that every ship is getting one of those - especially now that the Normandy has proven a frigate can waste a cruiser sized ship with that gun. The military will upgrade as a matter of course and the council in the meanwhile will make sure to divert shipments to create and equip its spectre like fleet of frigates/whatever else. Cerberus could build a ship in secret without the resources of at least 4 major galactic powers. So i expect 4 major galactic powers to be able to a build a fleet on their own - hidden from the public eye. And no, they would not tell Shepard. Shep is not trustworthy due to Cerberus involvement + they probably think that having Shep work his/her ass off because he/she thinks it all hinges on his/her efforts will make him/her perform an even better job.
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* The Normandy takes quite a pounding on its way through the Omega Four relay. Even if you upgrade the Normandy to full capacity, Joker/EDI still say they don't know if they can make a return trip (this is not to mention that if you don't upgrade the Normandy, you have HOLES IN YOUR SHIP.) But after the Terminator is destroyed, Shepard and friends run back to the Normandy and you all take off like the Normandy was okay the whole time. And okay, say the Normandy was fine enough to take flight again... how in the world did it manage to survive the trip back? Joker/EDI would have to fly through all of that debris again while escaping the Collector base bomb/magnetic sweep. Don't tell me they managed to patch the ship up as you were busy making Harbinger your little lady dog friend.
** The debris course isn't going to be nearly as dramatic this time as it was before: they've been through it before and know what to expect, they've already dealt with the bombs between the base and the relay (and bombs typically don't magically respawn), and they already know it's coming, rather than popping out of the relay right in the middle of it going full speed towards explosive doom. Joker's a good pilot. I don't think he'd have too much trouble running a course he's already aware of, that he's been blindsided by once and survived.
** Logically Shepard's raid of the Collector base took multiple hours. Long enough for an advanced AI and great pilot to come up with, at least, some chewing-gum-and-prayer type of patching measures good enough to hold for the return trip. It wouldn't be pretty, easy, or comfortable, but it'd get them back home.
** The only reason why they had trouble getting through the debris field in the first place was because Joker was deliberately flying through tight, wreckage-thick sections of the field to shake off the Oculus fighters. Prior to then, he was twisting and weaving easily in open areas without having to worry about debris. Afterward, he had no trouble maneuvering to fight the Collector ship. We can reasonably conclude that there's enough open space that the Normandy could easily reach the relay on the return trip. If there are holes in the ship, dealing with them is as easy as sealing off the damaged areas with bulkheads or emergency mass effect fields until they can be repaired - which is what happened at the beginning of the game, and you can ''see'' emergency mass effect fields sealing off gaps in the hull when fighting the Oculus and during the ending while Shepard is in the cargo bay.
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* Well IMO the ME2 romances are better, because ME2 pretty much ruins all three of the ME1 love interests anyway. Since regardless of which one of the three you pursue, when you meet up with them again in ME2 guess what happens? They're so happy to see you alive that you get dumped like a sack of potatoes and they fuck off on you because they're more interested in their own crap (that half baked shitty email they send you just makes it worse and isn't apologetic in the least). Fuck, Kaiden is more interested in some fucking doctor whore than a HEROINE who kind of saved the whole fucking universe. But then again it seems all men in the world of video games are always more interested in random piece of shit women they picked up off the street rather than our lovely heroines (one more reason I'll never understand men). So much for "loving" Shepard ''so'' much. Grr... can't stand it when people lie about shit like that...
** First of all, calm down. Second, Shepard was '''dead''' for ''two years''. Third, you show up back from the dead working for a know terrorist group supporting them with little more explaination for it than claiming that the Reapers were involved. Until you showed up shooting at their doorstep, they had no idea that you were actually alive. Did you expect them to simply put their entire lives on hold ''just'' in case Shepard somehow managed to ressurect themselves from the dead? They mourned for who knows how long, but moved on within two years. As far as Ashley and Kaiden knew, Shepard faked his or her death and refused to contact them for two years. After the understandably angry conversation, they'd probably have cooled down enough to listen, but Shepard was halfway across the galaxy in an untraceable ship. Even Liara, the only one with any reason to expect Shepard's return had no idea whether or not Cereberus's plot would work. As for Liara, the Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC has her admit that she had no idea how to react to Shepard's revival after two years of mourning and hunting the Broker. After you work her business out, she's cautious, but perfectly happy to restart the relationship. Nobody "lied" or "betrayed" you, they all had their own reasons. You have to recognize that the other person in a relation ship has a life and mind independent of your character's.
*** Firstly, it doesn't matter, all 3 ME1 romances are still completely ruined. Secondly, who can blame Shepard for working for the Illusive Man, the one and only person in the goddamn who still gives half a shit about poor Shepard after everything that happened? Everyone else just fucked OFF and gave up on them completely and stamped out their memory in the dirt like they were some piece of garbage. Third, someone who really loves you would actually be understanding of something like that and wouldn't dump you over something that petty. Fourth, two years really isn't a very long time; sure didn't take them long to get over the person that they supposedly loved so god damn much. Fifth, if someone I fucking loved showed up alive after supposedly dying, I wouldn't give a shit about anything else, I would fucking embrace them to death. Sixth, whatever, Liara is okay but the other two sucked anyway. Ashley and Kaidan were both ugly and had the personalities of steaming brickshits. I only wish killing them for betraying you like that was an option, but unfortunately no renegade option to kill them before they piss off never to be seen again comes up. Seventh, since when did any of those miserable little asswipes have lives outside their stupid Alliance anyway? Why are they still faithful to the Alliance despite the fact that they've done a complete 180 and trashed Shepard and don't give a fuck about saving innocent lives anymore?
*** ''Firstly, it doesn't matter, all 3 ME1 romances are still completely ruined.'' Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC.
*** ''Secondly, who can blame Shepard for working for the Illusive Man, the one and only person in the goddamn who still gives half a shit about poor Shepard after everything that happened?'' People who don't know the whole story, who have limited information and who hate Cerberus because Cerberus is a collection of terrorists who huskify colonies, unleashed feral rachni, conducted various terrorist acts, and murdered high-level Alliance officers, and people who are still steadfastly loyal to the Alliance. You know, people like Ashley and Kaidan.
*** ''Everyone else just fucked OFF and gave up on them completely and stamped out their memory in the dirt like they were some piece of garbage.''' Yeah, its not like Shepard was ''dead'' or anything and they had to move on.
*** ''Third, someone who really loves you would actually be understanding of something like that and wouldn't dump you over something that petty.'' [[SarcasmMode Yeah, its not like you're working with an avowed terrorist organization responsible for incredibly reprehensible crimes or anything.]] If you love someone, you ''should'' forgive them even though they're working with specisist terrorists!
*** ''Fourth, two years really isn't a very long time; sure didn't take them long to get over the person that they supposedly loved so god damn much.'' Yeah, its not like ''you were dead'' and ''they had a body to confirm it.'' For fuck's sake, Liara goes through hell just to keep your body out of the Broker's hands, and she says that outright. Are you seriously expecting someone to stay faithful to a ''corpse''?
*** ''Fifth, if someone I fucking loved showed up alive after supposedly dying, I wouldn't give a shit about anything else, I would fucking embrace them to death.'' Which your previous romance option does, up until you tell them that by the way, "I'm working with those psychopathic, specisist, fascist terrorists we spent all that time killing two years ago because of their horrible atrocities across the galaxy."
*** ''Seventh, since when did any of those miserable little asswipes have lives outside their stupid Alliance anyway?'' Since forever. Normally, I'm pretty civil, but you're a fucking ignorant moron if you think that someone has no life outside the military.
*** ''Why are they still faithful to the Alliance despite the fact that they've done a complete 180 and trashed Shepard and don't give a fuck about saving innocent lives anymore?'' Because its a soldier's ''job'' to be loyal. Not to mention that the Alliance is still on your side, just ask Anderson.
*** If Shepard really loved their ME1 paramour, s/he would have stayed on the planet until Kaiden/Ashley understood what is going on. Kaiden/Ashley's feelings are understandable. Shepard showed that s/he never really cared for them by leaving.
*** There are a few things you have to take into account here. First, you and your ME1 love interest didn't really know each other that long. Yes, it was long enough to fall in love (if you choose to see it that way, which I do), but it was also short enough to make them question how well they really knew you when you show up affiliated with a terrorist group. Second, their first assumption was probably that you faked your death and didn't tell them - it's not normal to come back from the dead, even though in this case it was true. Third, they spent two years being shattered by your death. They had to learn to live without you. They went to your funeral. They probably spent months waking up in the morning and realizing you were gone all over again, catching glimpses of people who looked like you, making their hearts skip until they remembered it couldn't be you. All the things that people do when someone they love dies. And then you come back and all that gets tossed out the window. It's hard to process. So the whole thing is a huge emotional punch in the gut for them that makes them question everything they knew about the person they loved most. Their reactions are harsh, but understandable. And it makes perfect sense that after having time to come to terms with it they would realize that you were telling the truth and try to make amends.
*** This. Exactly this. You have to understand that, from their perspective, Shepard faked his/her death to run off with intergalactic human supremacist terrorists. From where they're standing, YOU betrayed THEM in a horrific fashion they never would have thought possible from you.
*** Kaiden and Ashley have no idea what is really going on. Until Shepard showed up, the Alliance thought that is was Cerberus conducting these attacks. After that, all they understand for now is that someone who is supposed to be dead is asking them to commit high treason and work with a known terrorist group to fight aliens whose existence they had only just learned about. Ashley and Kaiden, without Shepard's group, aren't as well-connected as they used to be. They really don't know what's going on as ''nobody'' had any solid evidence of the Collector attacks prior to Shepard joining Cerberus. How would you feel if your dead best friend/former lover popped back into your life several years later and told you to immediately drop everything and join a gang because it just ''might'' be doing something good. You'd be conflicted, confused and need some time to process everything, right? Too bad that Shepard had to leave and get back to work in an untraceable ship before they got that chance to cool off. Hell, even if they wanted to leave, they've still got half a colony's worth of traumatized civilians to care for until Alliance aid can arrive. They have every reason to not join at the moment, but you're refusing to see that. I've already told you what Liara's deal was so I won't bother repeating. Calm down. It's like your Alistair arguments all over again.
*** It doesn't matter, don't really care about either of them. Liara is cool because hell at least she's talking to you and helping you, but both of the other two were useless losers to begin with so I'm not interested in them anyway, they can go get shot. My original point was it aint fair that the boys get better love scenes in this game then us girls. :(
*** Basically you're complaining that Ash/Kaidan/Liara act like normal people, rather than [[ShallowLoveInterest Shallow Love Interests]] whose entire lives revolve around Shepard. I had no problem with how they were handled; it was probably the most realistic way it could have been done. I'm amazed Bioware managed to make something as fanservicey and pointless as the romances as deep and complex as the rest of the series.
*** ''Liara is cool because hell at least she's talking to you and helping you,'' Of course she reacts better than Kaiden or Ashley, SHE'S BEEN KEPT IN THE LOOP. She knew that Cerberus was going to do some funky stuff to your body and possibly bring you back, and that should you come back you'll probably be working for them to bring the collectors down, So it's only natural she's better-prepared emotionally for your arrival. Heck, she's the only one out of the three who's life basically revolves around helping you. You are basically saying Kaiden and Ashley should be shot because they react like normal people. You're either one of the most elaborate trolls I've ever seen, or you have a hopelessly two-dimensional view on relationships.
*** ''It doesn't matter, don't really care about either of them.'' But you specifically talked about their romances in your adressing post, you've been argueing about their reactions this entire time. Hell, THE TOPIC IS CALLED 'KAIDEN/ASHLEY LOVE INTERESTS' could you please stop twisting your arguement around whenever someone gives a legitimate answer?
** Wait a sec. A relationship is UTTERLY RUINED after one fight? I grant you, this is a very serious fight and covers a lot more things than the usual relationship argument, but people fight and then make up all the time! Why would it be impossible for Shepard and Kaiden/Ashley to reconcile, given time to deal with things (both the issues of their relationship and personal loyalties possibly being at odds, and the (somewhat more important) issues of cosmic horrors coming to destroy the galaxy and melt humans down for their genetic material?) Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't. Lair of the Shadow Broker is proof of that.
* So exactly why is Liara the only ME1 interest who still loves you in ME2 and still wants to continue the relationship? Why do those boring humans just screw off in a huff never to be seen again? If they really loved Shepard they should be freaking ''smothering'' him/her and happy that he/she is alive. Who can blame Shepard for working for Cerberus after the Alliance's rather egregious FaceHeelTurn?
** So far? I'd wager it's partially because Liara is the only love interest whose emotions have actually been explored in more than one scene. It's very probable that Ashley/Kaiden will get their chance in a DLC, like Liara did in The Lair of the Shadow Broker. There will probably be other DLCs as the release of ME3 comes closer. Hopefully at least one of them will give Kaiden or Ashley the same treatment.
** If Shepard really loved Kaiden/Ashley, s/he would have contacted them the moment s/he awoke. That s/he didn't says s/he didn't really love them at all, and thus validates Kaiden/Ashley's reaction when Shepard shows up alive.
*** Its possible that Shepard ''did'' want to contact them when s/he got the opportunity, but simply couldn't. Remember, if you ask about Ashley/Kaidan with TIM, he outright says that they're on a classified mission and they can't be reached. Kind of hard to send a message to someone who you can't even get the message to in the first place.
*** Let's not lose sight of the fact that Shepard has cosmic horrors to deal with. Between that and the whirlwind nature of the relationship in ME1 - they didn't know each other that long, and the relationship formed under a lot of pressure - it's not that surprising that Shepard might want to focus on getting the immediate problems sorted out first so that (s)he can give the relationship more attention than just an afterthought.
*** "the Aliance's rather egregious FaceHeelTurn" What turn are you talking about? The Alliance is doing exactly what it always has. Shepard, after coming down with a bad case of the dead and joining a terrorist group, simply isn't part of them anymore. The worst thing that any Alliance official wanted to do to Shepard is detain him/her for questioning. Rather logically when the Commander drops off the face of the galaxy for two years and surfaces under the command of an avowed enemy of both them and the Council. What are you complaining about here? The fact that you, a ''Cerberus agent under the surveilance of TIM'', do not get top secret information anymore? Or that the Alliance, who does not have a dead Reaper to poke around and have to deal with actual legal issues aren't hunting aliens that nobody is certian exists? It's not like Cerberus leaked their Collector info into official channels or anything. If you want to break out the "I'm a hero" argument, just remember Saren's old status.
*** As for the Human, they're Alliance soliders. They have homes, families, and duties to take care of. They also have some baggage from witnessing the person they loved/respected the most apparently fake their own death and join a group who's horrific experiments they've already witnessed with no real explaination. They didn't have time to get over that emotional gut punch before Shepard asks them to commit grand treason for a threat they barely know about and leaves right after they don't accept. They do what little they can to make amends after they cool down enough to recognize that Shepard wouldn't do this crap without good reason. How dare someone in a relationship act like they have lives of their own rather than act like ShallowLoveInterests for your fulfilment?
** I'm confused as to why I'm the first person to note this, but did you completely miss the email they send you afterwars which basically says 'I'm sorry I reacted so badly, it's taken me awhile to move on from your death, and seeing you alive again was very emotionally stressful for me. I hope when this is all over we can patch this up. xoxo', which more or less confirms that they still love you, but just need a bit of time to process the fact that you're still alive?
*** That's totally valid, and it's been noted here before. But some of the people in this discussion have been saying that it's too little, too late.
*** I thought Keedan's was basically saying he was sticking with his beloved little doctor ho, or whatever the heck this shiny ''new'' woman was. Cause she's shiny. And new.
*** How did you get that from his e-mail? To quote:
--->''I'm sorry for what I said back on Horizon. I spent two years pulling myself back together after you went down with the Normandy. It took me a long time to get over my guilt for surviving and move on. I'd finally let my friends talk me into going out for drinks with a doctor on the Citadel. Nothing serious, but trying to let myself have a life again, you know?
*** So you're getting your panties in a bunch because, two years after '''Shepard was confirmed dead''', he lets his friends talk him into ''going for drinks'' with someone and begin moving on with his life. And the rest of the e-mail has him talk about how confused and shocked he is that you're alive and how he's trying to figure things out. That you're getting pissed off that two years after your character died the person you were briefly involved with has just started to move on is freaking ridiculous. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Also, its spelled "Kaidan."]] You're not allowed to whine about relationship issues if you can't even get your partner's name right.
*** You have some entitlement issues, don't you? Someone you had sex with once and knew for a few weeks dies and you barely manage to go on a date two years later and only at the prodding of your friends, and somehow this constitutes betrayal? No, Heart. Nothing in that letter even hinted that he was picking his doctor friend. He was trying to make clear how difficult it was for him to get over you, and how long it took for him to even consider having a life. But, no, you want to feel wounded and rejected. I mean, god forbid you aren't the Center of the Universe.
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* Well IMO the ME2 romances are better, because ME2 pretty much ruins all three of the ME1 love interests anyway. Since regardless of which one of the three you pursue, when you meet up with them again in ME2 guess what happens? They're so happy to see you alive that you get dumped like a sack of potatoes and they fuck off on you because they're more interested in their own crap (that half baked shitty email they send you just makes it worse and isn't apologetic in the least). Fuck, Kaiden is more interested in some fucking doctor whore than a HEROINE who kind of saved the whole fucking universe. But then again it seems all men in the world of video games are always more interested in random piece of shit women they picked up off the street rather than our lovely heroines (one more reason I'll never understand men). So much for "loving" Shepard ''so'' much. Grr... can't stand it when people lie about shit like that...
** First of all, calm down. Second, Shepard was '''dead''' for ''two years''. Third, you show up back from the dead working for a know terrorist group supporting them with little more explaination for it than claiming that the Reapers were involved. Until you showed up shooting at their doorstep, they had no idea that you were actually alive. Did you expect them to simply put their entire lives on hold ''just'' in case Shepard somehow managed to ressurect themselves from the dead? They mourned for who knows how long, but moved on within two years. As far as Ashley and Kaiden knew, Shepard faked his or her death and refused to contact them for two years. After the understandably angry conversation, they'd probably have cooled down enough to listen, but Shepard was halfway across the galaxy in an untraceable ship. Even Liara, the only one with any reason to expect Shepard's return had no idea whether or not Cereberus's plot would work. As for Liara, the Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC has her admit that she had no idea how to react to Shepard's revival after two years of mourning and hunting the Broker. After you work her business out, she's cautious, but perfectly happy to restart the relationship. Nobody "lied" or "betrayed" you, they all had their own reasons. You have to recognize that the other person in a relation ship has a life and mind independent of your character's.
*** Firstly, it doesn't matter, all 3 ME1 romances are still completely ruined. Secondly, who can blame Shepard for working for the Illusive Man, the one and only person in the goddamn who still gives half a shit about poor Shepard after everything that happened? Everyone else just fucked OFF and gave up on them completely and stamped out their memory in the dirt like they were some piece of garbage. Third, someone who really loves you would actually be understanding of something like that and wouldn't dump you over something that petty. Fourth, two years really isn't a very long time; sure didn't take them long to get over the person that they supposedly loved so god damn much. Fifth, if someone I fucking loved showed up alive after supposedly dying, I wouldn't give a shit about anything else, I would fucking embrace them to death. Sixth, whatever, Liara is okay but the other two sucked anyway. Ashley and Kaidan were both ugly and had the personalities of steaming brickshits. I only wish killing them for betraying you like that was an option, but unfortunately no renegade option to kill them before they piss off never to be seen again comes up. Seventh, since when did any of those miserable little asswipes have lives outside their stupid Alliance anyway? Why are they still faithful to the Alliance despite the fact that they've done a complete 180 and trashed Shepard and don't give a fuck about saving innocent lives anymore?
*** ''Firstly, it doesn't matter, all 3 ME1 romances are still completely ruined.'' Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC.
*** ''Secondly, who can blame Shepard for working for the Illusive Man, the one and only person in the goddamn who still gives half a shit about poor Shepard after everything that happened?'' People who don't know the whole story, who have limited information and who hate Cerberus because Cerberus is a collection of terrorists who huskify colonies, unleashed feral rachni, conducted various terrorist acts, and murdered high-level Alliance officers, and people who are still steadfastly loyal to the Alliance. You know, people like Ashley and Kaidan.
*** ''Everyone else just fucked OFF and gave up on them completely and stamped out their memory in the dirt like they were some piece of garbage.''' Yeah, its not like Shepard was ''dead'' or anything and they had to move on.
*** ''Third, someone who really loves you would actually be understanding of something like that and wouldn't dump you over something that petty.'' [[SarcasmMode Yeah, its not like you're working with an avowed terrorist organization responsible for incredibly reprehensible crimes or anything.]] If you love someone, you ''should'' forgive them even though they're working with specisist terrorists!
*** ''Fourth, two years really isn't a very long time; sure didn't take them long to get over the person that they supposedly loved so god damn much.'' Yeah, its not like ''you were dead'' and ''they had a body to confirm it.'' For fuck's sake, Liara goes through hell just to keep your body out of the Broker's hands, and she says that outright. Are you seriously expecting someone to stay faithful to a ''corpse''?
*** ''Fifth, if someone I fucking loved showed up alive after supposedly dying, I wouldn't give a shit about anything else, I would fucking embrace them to death.'' Which your previous romance option does, up until you tell them that by the way, "I'm working with those psychopathic, specisist, fascist terrorists we spent all that time killing two years ago because of their horrible atrocities across the galaxy."
*** ''Seventh, since when did any of those miserable little asswipes have lives outside their stupid Alliance anyway?'' Since forever. Normally, I'm pretty civil, but you're a fucking ignorant moron if you think that someone has no life outside the military.
*** ''Why are they still faithful to the Alliance despite the fact that they've done a complete 180 and trashed Shepard and don't give a fuck about saving innocent lives anymore?'' Because its a soldier's ''job'' to be loyal. Not to mention that the Alliance is still on your side, just ask Anderson.
*** If Shepard really loved their ME1 paramour, s/he would have stayed on the planet until Kaiden/Ashley understood what is going on. Kaiden/Ashley's feelings are understandable. Shepard showed that s/he never really cared for them by leaving.
*** There are a few things you have to take into account here. First, you and your ME1 love interest didn't really know each other that long. Yes, it was long enough to fall in love (if you choose to see it that way, which I do), but it was also short enough to make them question how well they really knew you when you show up affiliated with a terrorist group. Second, their first assumption was probably that you faked your death and didn't tell them - it's not normal to come back from the dead, even though in this case it was true. Third, they spent two years being shattered by your death. They had to learn to live without you. They went to your funeral. They probably spent months waking up in the morning and realizing you were gone all over again, catching glimpses of people who looked like you, making their hearts skip until they remembered it couldn't be you. All the things that people do when someone they love dies. And then you come back and all that gets tossed out the window. It's hard to process. So the whole thing is a huge emotional punch in the gut for them that makes them question everything they knew about the person they loved most. Their reactions are harsh, but understandable. And it makes perfect sense that after having time to come to terms with it they would realize that you were telling the truth and try to make amends.
*** This. Exactly this. You have to understand that, from their perspective, Shepard faked his/her death to run off with intergalactic human supremacist terrorists. From where they're standing, YOU betrayed THEM in a horrific fashion they never would have thought possible from you.
*** Kaiden and Ashley have no idea what is really going on. Until Shepard showed up, the Alliance thought that is was Cerberus conducting these attacks. After that, all they understand for now is that someone who is supposed to be dead is asking them to commit high treason and work with a known terrorist group to fight aliens whose existence they had only just learned about. Ashley and Kaiden, without Shepard's group, aren't as well-connected as they used to be. They really don't know what's going on as ''nobody'' had any solid evidence of the Collector attacks prior to Shepard joining Cerberus. How would you feel if your dead best friend/former lover popped back into your life several years later and told you to immediately drop everything and join a gang because it just ''might'' be doing something good. You'd be conflicted, confused and need some time to process everything, right? Too bad that Shepard had to leave and get back to work in an untraceable ship before they got that chance to cool off. Hell, even if they wanted to leave, they've still got half a colony's worth of traumatized civilians to care for until Alliance aid can arrive. They have every reason to not join at the moment, but you're refusing to see that. I've already told you what Liara's deal was so I won't bother repeating. Calm down. It's like your Alistair arguments all over again.
*** It doesn't matter, don't really care about either of them. Liara is cool because hell at least she's talking to you and helping you, but both of the other two were useless losers to begin with so I'm not interested in them anyway, they can go get shot. My original point was it aint fair that the boys get better love scenes in this game then us girls. :(
*** Basically you're complaining that Ash/Kaidan/Liara act like normal people, rather than [[ShallowLoveInterest Shallow Love Interests]] whose entire lives revolve around Shepard. I had no problem with how they were handled; it was probably the most realistic way it could have been done. I'm amazed Bioware managed to make something as fanservicey and pointless as the romances as deep and complex as the rest of the series.
*** ''Liara is cool because hell at least she's talking to you and helping you,'' Of course she reacts better than Kaiden or Ashley, SHE'S BEEN KEPT IN THE LOOP. She knew that Cerberus was going to do some funky stuff to your body and possibly bring you back, and that should you come back you'll probably be working for them to bring the collectors down, So it's only natural she's better-prepared emotionally for your arrival. Heck, she's the only one out of the three who's life basically revolves around helping you. You are basically saying Kaiden and Ashley should be shot because they react like normal people. You're either one of the most elaborate trolls I've ever seen, or you have a hopelessly two-dimensional view on relationships.
*** ''It doesn't matter, don't really care about either of them.'' But you specifically talked about their romances in your adressing post, you've been argueing about their reactions this entire time. Hell, THE TOPIC IS CALLED 'KAIDEN/ASHLEY LOVE INTERESTS' could you please stop twisting your arguement around whenever someone gives a legitimate answer?
** Wait a sec. A relationship is UTTERLY RUINED after one fight? I grant you, this is a very serious fight and covers a lot more things than the usual relationship argument, but people fight and then make up all the time! Why would it be impossible for Shepard and Kaiden/Ashley to reconcile, given time to deal with things (both the issues of their relationship and personal loyalties possibly being at odds, and the (somewhat more important) issues of cosmic horrors coming to destroy the galaxy and melt humans down for their genetic material?) Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't. Lair of the Shadow Broker is proof of that.
* So exactly why is Liara the only ME1 interest who still loves you in ME2 and still wants to continue the relationship? Why do those boring humans just screw off in a huff never to be seen again? If they really loved Shepard they should be freaking ''smothering'' him/her and happy that he/she is alive. Who can blame Shepard for working for Cerberus after the Alliance's rather egregious FaceHeelTurn?
** So far? I'd wager it's partially because Liara is the only love interest whose emotions have actually been explored in more than one scene. It's very probable that Ashley/Kaiden will get their chance in a DLC, like Liara did in The Lair of the Shadow Broker. There will probably be other DLCs as the release of ME3 comes closer. Hopefully at least one of them will give Kaiden or Ashley the same treatment.
** If Shepard really loved Kaiden/Ashley, s/he would have contacted them the moment s/he awoke. That s/he didn't says s/he didn't really love them at all, and thus validates Kaiden/Ashley's reaction when Shepard shows up alive.
*** Its possible that Shepard ''did'' want to contact them when s/he got the opportunity, but simply couldn't. Remember, if you ask about Ashley/Kaidan with TIM, he outright says that they're on a classified mission and they can't be reached. Kind of hard to send a message to someone who you can't even get the message to in the first place.
*** Let's not lose sight of the fact that Shepard has cosmic horrors to deal with. Between that and the whirlwind nature of the relationship in ME1 - they didn't know each other that long, and the relationship formed under a lot of pressure - it's not that surprising that Shepard might want to focus on getting the immediate problems sorted out first so that (s)he can give the relationship more attention than just an afterthought.
*** "the Aliance's rather egregious FaceHeelTurn" What turn are you talking about? The Alliance is doing exactly what it always has. Shepard, after coming down with a bad case of the dead and joining a terrorist group, simply isn't part of them anymore. The worst thing that any Alliance official wanted to do to Shepard is detain him/her for questioning. Rather logically when the Commander drops off the face of the galaxy for two years and surfaces under the command of an avowed enemy of both them and the Council. What are you complaining about here? The fact that you, a ''Cerberus agent under the surveilance of TIM'', do not get top secret information anymore? Or that the Alliance, who does not have a dead Reaper to poke around and have to deal with actual legal issues aren't hunting aliens that nobody is certian exists? It's not like Cerberus leaked their Collector info into official channels or anything. If you want to break out the "I'm a hero" argument, just remember Saren's old status.
*** As for the Human, they're Alliance soliders. They have homes, families, and duties to take care of. They also have some baggage from witnessing the person they loved/respected the most apparently fake their own death and join a group who's horrific experiments they've already witnessed with no real explaination. They didn't have time to get over that emotional gut punch before Shepard asks them to commit grand treason for a threat they barely know about and leaves right after they don't accept. They do what little they can to make amends after they cool down enough to recognize that Shepard wouldn't do this crap without good reason. How dare someone in a relationship act like they have lives of their own rather than act like ShallowLoveInterests for your fulfilment?
** I'm confused as to why I'm the first person to note this, but did you completely miss the email they send you afterwars which basically says 'I'm sorry I reacted so badly, it's taken me awhile to move on from your death, and seeing you alive again was very emotionally stressful for me. I hope when this is all over we can patch this up. xoxo', which more or less confirms that they still love you, but just need a bit of time to process the fact that you're still alive?
*** That's totally valid, and it's been noted here before. But some of the people in this discussion have been saying that it's too little, too late.
*** I thought Keedan's was basically saying he was sticking with his beloved little doctor ho, or whatever the heck this shiny ''new'' woman was. Cause she's shiny. And new.
*** How did you get that from his e-mail? To quote:
--->''I'm sorry for what I said back on Horizon. I spent two years pulling myself back together after you went down with the Normandy. It took me a long time to get over my guilt for surviving and move on. I'd finally let my friends talk me into going out for drinks with a doctor on the Citadel. Nothing serious, but trying to let myself have a life again, you know?
*** So you're getting your panties in a bunch because, two years after '''Shepard was confirmed dead''', he lets his friends talk him into ''going for drinks'' with someone and begin moving on with his life. And the rest of the e-mail has him talk about how confused and shocked he is that you're alive and how he's trying to figure things out. That you're getting pissed off that two years after your character died the person you were briefly involved with has just started to move on is freaking ridiculous. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Also, its spelled "Kaidan."]] You're not allowed to whine about relationship issues if you can't even get your partner's name right.
*** You have some entitlement issues, don't you? Someone you had sex with once and knew for a few weeks dies and you barely manage to go on a date two years later and only at the prodding of your friends, and somehow this constitutes betrayal? No, Heart. Nothing in that letter even hinted that he was picking his doctor friend. He was trying to make clear how difficult it was for him to get over you, and how long it took for him to even consider having a life. But, no, you want to feel wounded and rejected. I mean, god forbid you aren't the Center of the Universe.
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** Think about it like this: almost all species look ''extremely'' similar, as in sharing many of the same models. They have very similar voices, and, yes, their [[PlanetOfHats hats]] are subverted, but you can (as Mordin says) make a reasonable guess. Humanity isn't like that. Of course the face generator for humans will be more detailed, allowing for different facial structures on human NPCs. More voice actors are going to be hired for human roles, and the same ones will be used to do the turians, salarians, and so on. The developer team obviously cannot come up with the level of details for their fictional races that humanity over the course of written history has. Of course, in any fiction, we'll be the most unique. HumansAreAverage because we're a starting point to base other species off of. All of that has in-game acknowledgements that humans are more genetically and culturally diverse. As far as the science of it goes: did any of you meet an alien species recently? As we haven't, who's to say that Earth isn't ''incredibly'' diverse? Unnaturally so in comparison to the rest of the galaxy? Yes, humans on ''Earth'' might not be genetically diverse by comparison to our other species, but maybe Earth flora and fauna is absolutely ''astounding'' in diversity in that sense. Asari can reproduce with freaking anyone. Vorcha can rapidly change their body makeup to adapt to entirely new atmospheres. Drell have absolutely perfect memory. These things are incredible by our standards. By their own species' standards, these features probably aren't--or weren't. In that vein, we don't find our genetic makeup particularly unique or different.
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** Think about it like this: almost all species look ''extremely'' similar, as in sharing many of the same models. They have very similar voices, and, yes, their [[PlanetOfHats hats]] are subverted, but you can (as Mordin says) make a reasonable guess. Humanity isn't like that. Of course the face generator for humans will be more detailed, allowing for different facial structures on human NPCs.[=NPCs=]. More voice actors are going to be hired for human roles, and the same ones will be used to do the turians, salarians, and so on. The developer team obviously cannot come up with the level of details for their fictional races that humanity over the course of written history has. Of course, in any fiction, we'll be the most unique. HumansAreAverage because we're a starting point to base other species off of. All of that has in-game acknowledgements that humans are more genetically and culturally diverse. As far as the science of it goes: did any of you meet an alien species recently? As we haven't, who's to say that Earth isn't ''incredibly'' diverse? Unnaturally so in comparison to the rest of the galaxy? Yes, humans on ''Earth'' might not be genetically diverse by comparison to our other species, but maybe Earth flora and fauna is absolutely ''astounding'' in diversity in that sense. Asari can reproduce with freaking anyone. Vorcha can rapidly change their body makeup to adapt to entirely new atmospheres. Drell have absolutely perfect memory. These things are incredible by our standards. By their own species' standards, these features probably aren't--or weren't. In that vein, we don't find our genetic makeup particularly unique or different.
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** Recoil? Assault rifles, snipers and shotguns possess vastly more recoil than SMGs (not sure on this one), pistols and heavy weapons (modern rocket launchers use a sandbag to reduce recoil, and notice that heavy weapon projectiles are SLOW). Hence combat specialists like soldiers, infiltrators and vanguards would be able to handle the recoil whilst other classes cannot?
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** Recoil? Assault rifles, snipers and shotguns possess vastly more recoil than SMGs [=SMGs=] (not sure on this one), pistols and heavy weapons (modern rocket launchers use a sandbag to reduce recoil, and notice that heavy weapon projectiles are SLOW). Hence combat specialists like soldiers, infiltrators and vanguards would be able to handle the recoil whilst other classes cannot?
