History Headscratchers / MarvelCinematicUniverse

12th Dec '17 10:58:40 AM GrigorII
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** All this is in fact a RealLife headscratcher already. The UsefulNotes/FermiParadox discusses it.
12th Dec '17 10:29:46 AM Hawkeye86
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** Whatever the agreement was, it'll be obsolete pretty soon with the upcoming merger.
5th Dec '17 11:56:39 AM observer234
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[[folder:TV Tropes doesn't understand how the Universe works]]
* There are actually three separate universes within what we call the "Marvel Cinematic Universe".\\
The first is Cinematic, which is made of all the movies themselves.\\
The second is ABC. This is the universe of Series/AgentsOfSHIELD, Series/AgentCarter, Series/{{Inhumans}}, Series/{{Runaways}} and Series/NewWarriors .\\
The third is Netflix. This is the universe of Series/Daredevil2015, Series/JessicaJones2015, Series/{{Luke Cage}}, Series/{{Iron Fist}}, Series/TheDefenders2017 and Series/{{The Punisher}}\\
Due to legal red tape and disagreements between all the executives, the three universes are mostly keep separate. That's why characters from Cinematic hardly show up in ABC or Netflix, why characters from ABC never show up in Cinematic or Netflix, or why characters from Netflix never show up in Cinematic or ABC.\\
Yet TV Tropes keep acting as if they are all one and the same, characters can come and go as they please, and everything affects everything.\\
Most Headscratchers boil down to "why this event from (X universe) didn't impact on (either of the other two universes)"? and "why (x character from either Cinematic, ABC or Netflix) never shows up in (X universe that is not the universe the character is supposed to stay in)?".\\
It's frustrating. Any research in how things work behind the scenes at Marvel Studios erases at least 75% of the Headscratchers relating to the MCU.
** They reference each other a fair amount I suspect it's less a separate universe in the traditional definition of the word and more like the adjacent universe. Similar to how Marvel runs the cartoons on Disney right now. We know that most of the good guys know each other and other than the other Agents of Smash cross over enough. On the flip side there are tons and tons of event on all the shows that make you wonder why nobody ever just gets on the phone. Iron Spider, Spiderman and Ironman working on a science problem is going to be solved in five minutes. Alien invasion? That's gonna have a lot less collateral if you call in those kids SHIELD has up there and having a full team of hulks grinds down most problems to easily. Hydra Island is literally over New York there better be a good reason why Cap didn't drop whatever he was doing and get there.
** I'm not sure I would say they are separate universes, since they do make reference and affect one another to a certain degree (mostly the movies affecting the various shows), and characters that do cross over are always played by the same actor. I think people just need to realize the amount of red tape and bureaucracy that would be required for a crossover isn't worth it for a small cameo or easter egg and they're not going to waste time explaining where every other hero is during every crisis. In real life plenty of things happen that aren't connected, and that's true in the MCU as well.
** Having the universe carved up into segments is actually pretty true to the comics, so it may be unintentionally accurate. It's usually treated as a special occasion in the comics when mutant affairs, Avengers affairs, cosmic affairs, supernatural affairs, or all of the above intersect with each other, even if academically we know they're all coexisting and could meet up any time if they wanted to.
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5th Dec '17 10:55:09 AM costanton11
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* ''Headscratchers/AvengersInfinityWar''

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* ''Headscratchers/AvengersInfinityWar''
2nd Dec '17 7:38:10 PM Hawkeye86
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* ''Headscratchers/Runaways2017''
1st Dec '17 10:10:32 AM Hawkeye86
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* ''Headscratchers/ThePunisher2017''
1st Dec '17 2:10:02 AM Trillium
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** It has been well-explained in the movie itself. Thor loves a good fight, but he now fights for peace and safety of others. He had his Character Development and "doesn't seek war, but is always ready for it". Steve on the other hand has nothing but war left, since almost all he knew from his original life is dead and gone. His greatest nightmare is peace, and it is implied he gets angry at Tony's plan to use Ultron to prevent war not just because it is oppressive, but also because it would indeed establish peace and make Cap feel useless. He always fights a good fight, but he can't live without it. As such, he's not worthy.
28th Nov '17 8:01:58 PM JulianLapostat
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* ''Headscratchers/AvengersInfinityWar''
28th Nov '17 5:32:12 AM Trillium
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[[folder: Scale of MCU universe]]
* Consider the following:
** Most of the stuff in both Guardians movies happens in Andromeda galaxy (M31), including war between Xandar and Kree. However, Kree, Ego and Ravagers visit Earth, and its apparently no big deal.
** Nine Realms are located in unknown parts of the universe, but apparently access to just nine planets is enough to plunge all of universe into darkness using Aether.
** Sakaar lies in unknown part of the universe, but is connected by wormholes (a limited, if large, number of them) to pretty much all of universe.
** Ego, Knowhere, Chitauri space and Thanos's flying stool place (IF it isn't in Chitauri space) are outside Milky Way and/or Andromeda galaxy, judging by coordinates. Specifically, Ego was located "at the edge of known universe".
** Ego visited enough worlds to talk about consuming the whole universe, and so says Quill, but Rocket is instantly talking about "saving the Galaxy" - note the singular - even though they are presumably in separate galaxy altogether. However, Ego presumably didn't visit Asgard (no blue tumor is visible in Thor: Ragnarok). Problem is, impregnating WHOLE universe would take Ego trillions of years even with his super-fast FTL.
** Asgardians are known as far as Sakaar and have come in contact with Kree. Sakaarians and presumable Asgardians are aware of Xandar.
* This raises a question: is MCU space really small (Local Group, maybe a few more nearby galaxies (probably fictional) or M81 group), or most villains just don't care about things beyond that? Granted, extinguishing all light in Local Group would indeed make night sky pitch black, as everything else is beyond visibility, AFAIK, and Ego might have only known about universe as learned from other civilizations - and apart from M81 group everything beyond Local Group is REALLY far away. Although this in turn raises a question how on Earth did all seven universal aspects end up in such a microscopic bit of the universe.

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26th Nov '17 6:04:16 PM DrSleep
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* ''Headscratchers/Series.CloakAndDagger''

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* ''Headscratchers/Series.CloakAndDagger''
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