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I mean yeah, Lucifer is mad that his dad threw him out of heaven and banished him to Hell. Fine. But he jmdid rebel and try to overthrow his father and burn down the Silver City. What did he think was going to happen after all of that failed? A slap on the wrist? That would be like you adult son was living with you and then one day decided that HE was the head of the household. Of course you're not going to continue to let him live in your house after something like that.
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I mean yeah, Lucifer is mad that his dad threw him out of heaven and banished him to Hell. Fine. But he jmdid rebel and try to overthrow his father and burn down the Silver City. What did he think was going to happen after all of that failed? A slap on the wrist? That would be like you adult son was living with you and then one day decided that HE was the head of the household. Of course you're not going to continue to let him live in your house after something like that.
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** For that matter, none of the others angels, beyond Amenadiel and Lucifer, seemed to care about her death.
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The spoiler character in question being [[spoiler:Remiel]]. She's literally [[spoiler:''his sister'']], for Dad's sake!
* He seemed pretty upset about it...
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* The spoiler character in question being [[spoiler:Remiel]]. She's literally [[spoiler:''his sister'']], for Dad's sake!
* ** He seemed pretty upset about it...it...
*** Yeah, but nowhere near his reaction when others die, such as [[spoiler:Charlotte]] or [[spoiler:Daniel]].
*** Yeah, but nowhere near his reaction when others die, such as [[spoiler:Charlotte]] or [[spoiler:Daniel]].
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** He probably does it off-screen.
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** He believed he could do a better job as God + Michael's manipulation.
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* If God does care about the angels and hates when they fight why didn't he step in to save Uriel who was wiped from existence? For that matter why did no one confront God about His failure in this matter? Lucifer and Amendeial both thought God could have and should have stopped it.
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* Lucifer does not strike me as the type person who cares about all the petty details of a running a business such as covering wages or making sure they are properly supplied with alchohol. So who does handle all of that? Or does Lucifer have an actual business side that he devotes at least part of his day to attending to business matters?
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* This Lucifer isn't as power-hungry or sociopathic as other versions. He doesn't strike me as the type to start a civil war in Heaven. The only thing we know for sure he did was screw around with the Eve in the Garden of Eden which essentially corrupted humanity and the rest of history. Was that it or did Lucifer do something else? It has been mentioned God has/had a tendency to overract and Lucifer ruined whatever God had planned for humans.
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Why did God not hold Michael accountable for his actions especially when what he did was just as bad if not worse than Lucifer? Even when confronted about it he blew them off? Was it really the whole "free will" bit? God blamed himself? Or by that point did God just not care?
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* If God does care about the angels and hates when they fight why didn't he step in to save Uriel who was wiped from existence? For that matter why did no one confront God about His failure in this matter? Lucifer and Amendeial both thought God could have and should have stopped it.
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* Lucifer does not strike me as the type person who cares about all the petty details of a running a business such as covering wages or making sure they are properly supplied with alchohol. So who does handle all of that? Or does Lucifer have an actual business side that he devotes at least part of his day to attending to business matters?
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* This Lucifer isn't as power-hungry or sociopathic as other versions. He doesn't strike me as the type to start a civil war in Heaven. The only thing we know for sure he did was screw around with the Eve in the Garden of Eden which essentially corrupted humanity and the rest of history. Was that it or did Lucifer do something else? It has been mentioned God has/had a tendency to overract and Lucifer ruined whatever God had planned for humans.
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Why did God not hold Michael accountable for his actions especially when what he did was just as bad if not worse than Lucifer? Even when confronted about it he blew them off? Was it really the whole "free will" bit? God blamed himself? Or by that point did God just not care?
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** Why so complicated answers? It is likely far more simple: he either used his charm on the previous owner so that he gives the nightclub for free, or the owner is someone who "owned him one", and he came to collect.
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*** Chloe already saw his red eyes while he was mortal around her - just a minute or two before she's shot his leg back in Season 1; just in reflective surface rather than directly and she couldn't completely comprehend that at the time. And less than 20 second earlier he has shown his "true face" to a criminal (all this time with Chloe within 5-10-15 yards from him). No, he is just afraid to scare her away.
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** Angels/Demons can injure each other. After their fight at the end of S1 (away from Chloe), both Lucifer & Amenadiel have bruises, ditto for Lucifer & Maze after they fought in S2. Angels' invulnerability means they are just impervious to being injured by humans, not each other.
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** When you really hate someone (which Dan did for the majority of the season), even the way they breathe will piss you off. So anything Lucifer did, small or large, it was going to unreasonably piss Dan off.
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The spoiler character in question being [[spoiler:Remiel]]. She's literally [[spoiler:''his sister'']], for Dad's sake!
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** Detective Douche is really a douche.
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** Or "sweet and gentle" just means that he's slightly better than Cain in her mind. Or simply ParentalFavouritism.
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* Eve is one of the first humans and has spent the most time in Heaven. She has gotten bored of Heaven and decided to just meet and listen to people's stories even meeting Charlotte Richards. Abel is Hell's oldest resident so why has Eve never put two and two together, but she still says "my sweet and gentle Abel"
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* Eve is one of the first humans and has spent the most time in Heaven. She has gotten bored of Heaven and decided to just meet and listen to people's stories even meeting Charlotte Richards. Abel is Hell's oldest resident so why has Eve never put two and two together, but she still says "my sweet and gentle Abel"Abel".
** Denial and/or willful blindness.
** Denial and/or willful blindness.
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**Cain and Abel were said to have been married but we aren't really told much about Adam and Eve's other Children and given Hebrew views of incest there are some theories of there being Pre-Adamic humans, which pokes some holes in the bibles continuity but it's full of contradictions anyway.
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**Cain and Abel were said to have been married but we aren't really told much about Adam and Eve's other Children and given Hebrew views of incest there are some theories of there being Pre-Adamic humans, which pokes some holes in the bibles continuity but it's full of contradictions anyway.anyway, whats wrong with adding a few more.
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**Cain and Abel were said to have been married but we aren't really told much about Adam and Eve's other Children and given Hebrew views of incest there are some theories of there being Pre-Adamic humans, which pokes some holes in the bibles continuity but it's full of contradictions anyway.
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* Eve is one of the first humans and has spent the most time in Heaven. She has gotten bored of Heaven and decided to just meet and listen to people's stories even meeting Charlotte Richards. Abel is Hell's oldest resident so why has Eve never put two and two together, butt she still says "my sweet and gentle Abel"
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**** Does this mean that there was a demon in Hell who was forcing Lucifer, their own boss, to relive him stabbing his brother over and over?
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* ...Cain, (meaning people like Cain, Abel, Adam and Eve existed) does that mean evolution isn't real in the series's universe? Because I can easily see people conciliating belief in God/angels/demons with evolution, but characters from the Genesis existing literally?
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* ...Cain, (meaning people like Cain, Abel, Adam and Eve existed) does that mean evolution isn't real in the series's universe? Because I can easily see people conciliating belief in God/angels/demons with evolution, but characters from the Genesis existing literally?
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* In season 4 episode 6 Lucifer gets trapped by falling barrels as the bad guy runs away and guns down a police officer. Dan gets mad and blames Lucifer. Am I missing something? Lucifer is an unarmed civilian consultant. It's absurd to send him after a fleeing suspect in the first place let alone blame him when an armed police officer just stands around letting a gunman raise his gun and shoot her. I get Dan being mad at him for the Sinnerman thing but he's just absurdly stupid at this point.
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* In season 4 episode 6 Lucifer gets trapped by falling barrels as the bad guy runs away and guns down a police officer. Dan gets mad and blames Lucifer. Am I missing something? Lucifer is an unarmed civilian consultant. It's absurd to send him after a fleeing suspect in the first place let alone blame him when an armed police officer just stands around letting a gunman raise his gun and shoot her. I get Dan being mad at him for the Sinnerman thing but he's just absurdly stupid at this point.
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*** Moreso than that, the "people" seen in the guilty soul's Hell loop are the demons themselves, re-enacting the scene that soul feels most guilty about. Without them, most of the loops wouldn't function at all.
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*** Moreso than that, in the episode Real Sad Devil Guy it's shown that the "people" seen in the guilty soul's Hell loop are the demons themselves, re-enacting the scene that soul feels most guilty about. Without them, most of the loops wouldn't function at all.
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* In hell, punishment is dealt out because the soul feel guilt over actions committed. So it makes sense when people go to hell for murder, or just for being awful. But as revealed in the episode Real Sad Devil Guy, Mr. Said Out Bitch (Lee Garner) [[spoiler: was sent to hell because he felt guilty about not going to his niece's baby shower. It was his last chance to reconnect with his family, and as a result the family broke apart.]] so basically, any guilt in your heart will send you to hell, no matter what you did or didn't do.
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* In hell, punishment is dealt out because the soulfeel feels guilt over actions committed.committed in life. So it makes sense when people go to hell for murder, or just for being awful. But as revealed in the episode Real Sad Devil Guy, Mr. Said Out Bitch (Lee Garner) [[spoiler: was sent to hell because he felt guilty about not going to his niece's baby shower. It was his last chance to reconnect with his family, and as a result the family broke apart.]] so So basically, any guilt in your heart will send you to hell, no matter what you did or didn't do.
* In hell, punishment is dealt out because the soul
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* In hell, punishment is dealt out because the soul feel guilt over actions committed. So it makes sense when people go to hell for murder, or just for being awful. But as revealed in the episode Real Sad Devil Guy, Mr. Said Out Bitch (Lee Garner) [[spoiler: was sent to hell because he felt guilty about not going to his niece's baby shower. It was his last chance to reconnect with his family, and as a result the family broke apart.]] so basically, any guilt in your heart will send you to hell, no matter what you did or didn't do.
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*** We know that demons have some control over the torture environment with Abel, whose hell loop involves being murdered by Cain, suggesting it's not quite fully automatic and the demons determine the precise details of all the punishments and/or demonic torture is reserved for really really bad dudes, although Abel doesn't really seem all that bad; he's a selfish hedonist douchebag but not a CompleteMonster.
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*** We know that demons have some control over the torture environment with Abel, whose hell loop involves being murdered by Cain, Cain in multiple different settings, accounting for his grasp of modern languages, suggesting it's not quite fully automatic and the demons determine the precise details of all the punishments and/or demonic torture is reserved for really really bad dudes, although Abel doesn't really seem all that bad; he's a selfish hedonist douchebag but not a CompleteMonster.
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*** We know that demons have some control over the torture environment with Abel, whose hell loop involves being murdered by Cain, suggesting it's not quite fully automatic and the demons determine the precise details of all the punishments and/or demonic torture is reserved for really really bad dudes, although Abel doesn't really seem all that bad; he's a selfish hedonist douchebag but not a CompleteMonster.
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*** While that explains Lucifer's concerns in Season 1 (at least from a Doylist perspective,) it doesn't explain Maze's purpose in Hell (or indeed the purposes of demons in general.) Even later seasons acknowledge her as personally torturing humans, Abel being one of them, and her being a master of causing people pain is a consistent part of her character. And yet, Hell's punishments are repeatedly stated to be self-inflicted as a result of human guilt, and it's repeatedly implied/stated that nothing will trap you in Hell if you can just let go of your failures/not feel any guilt for your actions. So why continue to claim that the demons like Maze do any torturing at all? What is their actual purpose in Hell if it's not punishing people or keeping them imprisoned?
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** Probably more EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. They clearly hadn't quite figured out how Hell works for the purposes of the show yet, so some of the earliest mentions conflict with the later.
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* Is this a Plot Marches On thing, or something else? In Season 1 Lucifer makes a couple mentions of how, because he's not in Hell, sinners aren't being punished, most dramatically at the climax of the first episode where he stresses that he needs to torture the suspect ''now'' or he won't suffer at all. Maze is also specifically noted as being a torturer in Hell. But when Hell finally shows up in the series proper, it's portrayed as an IronicHell that functions entirely autonomously, to the point where Lucifer himself gets caught in a cell and forced to relive his deepest regret. If that's the case, why was Lucifer so sure that people weren't going to be punished when they died?
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* Is this a Plot Marches On thing, or something else? In Season 1 Lucifer makes a couple mentions of how, because he's not in Hell, sinners aren't being punished, most dramatically at the climax of the first episode where he stresses that he needs to torture the suspect ''now'' or he won't suffer at all. Maze is also specifically noted as being a torturer in Hell. But when Hell finally shows up in the series proper, it's portrayed as an IronicHell that functions entirely autonomously, to the point where Lucifer himself gets caught in a cell and forced to relive his deepest regret. If that's the case, why was Lucifer so sure that people weren't going to be punished when they died?died? And why was Maze's job actually necessary?
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* Is this a Plot Marches On thing, or something else? In Season 1 Lucifer makes a couple mentions of how, because he's not in Hell, sinners aren't being punished, most dramatically at the climax of the first episode where he stresses that he needs to torture the suspect ''now'' or he won't suffer at all. Maze is also specifically noted as being a torturer in Hell. But when Hell finally shows up in the series proper, it's portrayed as an IronicHell that functions entirely autonomously, to the point where Lucifer himself gets caught in a cell and forced to relive his deepest regret. If that's the case, why was Lucifer so sure that people weren't going to be punished when they died?died?
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* Is this a Plot Marches On thing, or something else? In Season 1 Lucifer makes a couple mentions of how, because he's not in Hell, sinners aren't being punished, most dramatically at the climax of the first episode where he stresses that he needs to torture the suspect ''now'' or he won't suffer at all. Maze is also specifically noted as being a torturer in Hell. But when Hell finally shows up in the series proper, it's portrayed as an IronicHell that functions entirely autonomously, to the point where Lucifer himself gets caught in a cell and forced to relive his deepest regret. If that's the case, why was Lucifer so sure that people weren't going to be punished when they died?
