History Headscratchers / LesMiserables2012

9th May '15 5:56:13 PM Historian1912
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* So what happens to Valjean's workers/factory when he runs away with Cosette? It doesn't seem very heroic to just abandon them.
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* So what happens to Valjean's workers/factory when he runs away with Cosette? It doesn't seem very heroic to just abandon them.them. ** Once Valjean was revealed as a convict, there was literally nothing he could do for his employees. Whether he stays and is arrested or runs and escapes would not matter to them one bit. If the workers are lucky, the factory will be bought out and restarted soon. If not, the workers are out of luck.
14th Mar '15 10:05:01 AM dante8
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***** Dog Eats Dog was reduced to one line "Here's a pretty ring," because, apparently, it was the last song Sacha was supposed to film but couldn't because he lost his voice. But I agree, the movie would have been great with that left in.
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***** Dog Eats Dog was reduced to one line "Here's a pretty ring," because, apparently, it was the last song Sacha was supposed to film but couldn't because he lost his voice. But I agree, the movie would have been great with that left in.in. * So what happens to Valjean's workers/factory when he runs away with Cosette? It doesn't seem very heroic to just abandon them.
22nd Nov '14 3:22:29 PM mutents
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**** Apparently, Blagden did sing the entire Grantaire part from Drink With Me, but it ended up getting cut.
19th Oct '14 5:59:31 PM annieholmes
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**** I do agree. "Dog Eat Dog" is the absolute lowest point of the musical, and it serves a really important purposes, showing the worst and most vile that humanity can be.
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**** I do agree. "Dog Eat Dog" is the absolute lowest point of the musical, and it serves a really important purposes, showing the worst and most vile that humanity can be.be. ***** Dog Eats Dog was reduced to one line "Here's a pretty ring," because, apparently, it was the last song Sacha was supposed to film but couldn't because he lost his voice. But I agree, the movie would have been great with that left in.
10th Feb '14 9:22:17 PM vifetoile
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*** I think it was an interview with Bazaar magazine. That, or Vanity Fair.
10th Feb '14 9:18:41 PM vifetoile
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*** I was going to mention that about Do You Hear The People Sing- I just watched the movie today after reading the book multiple times and falling in love with the soundtrack, and I was horrified when I didn't hear it immediately after Red and Black. Then came Lamarck's funeral and it was just so unbelievably perfect. (There are enough other issues with cuts, like cutting half of Red and Black, Turning, A Little Fall Of Rain, and Drink With Me (Grantaire's part basically MAKES the whole musical), cutting the ENTIRE Dog Eats Dog [I get it's not Sacha's style but then maybe cast someone whose style it IS], and messing up Beggars At The Feast, that having one or two that actually WORKED was nice.)
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*** I was going to mention that about Do You Hear The People Sing- I just watched the movie today after reading the book multiple times and falling in love with the soundtrack, and I was horrified when I didn't hear it immediately after Red and Black. Then came Lamarck's funeral and it was just so unbelievably perfect. (There are enough other issues with cuts, like cutting half of Red and Black, Turning, A Little Fall Of Rain, and Drink With Me (Grantaire's part basically MAKES the whole musical), cutting the ENTIRE Dog Eats Dog [I get it's not Sacha's style but then maybe cast someone whose style it IS], and messing up Beggars At The Feast, that having one or two that actually WORKED was nice.)) **** I do agree. "Dog Eat Dog" is the absolute lowest point of the musical, and it serves a really important purposes, showing the worst and most vile that humanity can be.
21st Jan '14 3:03:50 PM hannahstohelit
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*** That's what I thought also- Valjean knows Fantine in a very specific way, as the mother who gave so much up for her daughter, the woman he had inadvertently wronged. That's the particular woman whose memory he treasures- he would certainly remember her in that way and not as a regular factory girl, especially as he really didn't notice her very much at the factory (which is part of the point).

** I agree that switching the order of "Lovely Ladies" and "I Dreamed a Dream" was extremely effective, so that she sings the latter when she's in genuine despair. Moving "Do You Hear the People Sing?" to much further on in the script, so that it's actually at the moment that begins the revolution, also worked very well; it's not possible in the stage musical (where there's a break between acts to allow time for the barricade to be built offstage), but in a film where we see the revolution's start and the construction of the barricade it's highly effective.
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** I agree that switching the order of "Lovely Ladies" and "I Dreamed a Dream" was extremely effective, so that she sings the latter when she's in genuine despair. Moving "Do You Hear the People Sing?" to much further on in the script, so that it's actually at the moment that begins the revolution, also worked very well; it's not possible in the stage musical (where there's a break between acts to allow time for the barricade to be built offstage), but in a film where we see the revolution's start and the construction of the barricade it's highly effective.effective. *** I was going to mention that about Do You Hear The People Sing- I just watched the movie today after reading the book multiple times and falling in love with the soundtrack, and I was horrified when I didn't hear it immediately after Red and Black. Then came Lamarck's funeral and it was just so unbelievably perfect. (There are enough other issues with cuts, like cutting half of Red and Black, Turning, A Little Fall Of Rain, and Drink With Me (Grantaire's part basically MAKES the whole musical), cutting the ENTIRE Dog Eats Dog [I get it's not Sacha's style but then maybe cast someone whose style it IS], and messing up Beggars At The Feast, that having one or two that actually WORKED was nice.)
18th Oct '13 9:51:32 PM WarriorEowyn
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** I agree that switching the order of "Lovely Ladies" and "I Dreamed a Dream" was extremely effective, so that she sings the latter when she's in genuine despair. Moving "Do You Hear the People Sing?" to much further on in the script, so that it's actually at the moment that begins the revolution, also worked very well.
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** I agree that switching the order of "Lovely Ladies" and "I Dreamed a Dream" was extremely effective, so that she sings the latter when she's in genuine despair. Moving "Do You Hear the People Sing?" to much further on in the script, so that it's actually at the moment that begins the revolution, also worked very well.well; it's not possible in the stage musical (where there's a break between acts to allow time for the barricade to be built offstage), but in a film where we see the revolution's start and the construction of the barricade it's highly effective.
18th Oct '13 9:26:05 PM WarriorEowyn
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* This is just a personal anecdote, but the order of Fantine's first three songs in the stage version is "At the End of the Day," "I Dreamed a Dream," then "Lovely Ladies." Here, the order goes "At the End of the Day," "Runaway Cart," "Lovely Ladies," and "I Dreamed a Dream." I personally think that "I Dreamed a Dream" actually makes more sense when placed ''after'' "Lovely Ladies" because Fantine is too far past the point of no return once she becomes a prostitute, as done here. Does anyone here also think that rearranging the order of some of the songs made their lyrics suddenly make more logical sense?
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* This is just a personal anecdote, but the order of Fantine's first three songs in the stage version is "At the End of the Day," "I Dreamed a Dream," then "Lovely Ladies." Here, the order goes "At the End of the Day," "Runaway Cart," "Lovely Ladies," and "I Dreamed a Dream." I personally think that "I Dreamed a Dream" actually makes more sense when placed ''after'' "Lovely Ladies" because Fantine is too far past the point of no return once she becomes a prostitute, as done here. Does anyone here also think that rearranging the order of some of the songs made their lyrics suddenly make more logical sense?sense? ** I agree that switching the order of "Lovely Ladies" and "I Dreamed a Dream" was extremely effective, so that she sings the latter when she's in genuine despair. Moving "Do You Hear the People Sing?" to much further on in the script, so that it's actually at the moment that begins the revolution, also worked very well.
25th Sep '13 8:57:21 AM 84788484
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*** Indeed. The doll is a speedy purchase that serves the purpose of instilling Cosette with trust in him and keeping her happy and quiet while they try to escape. Buying her new shoes and clothes right then and there would not only require her to take the time to put them on, but also likely a fitting back in those days. He figured "I'll buy her the doll now, that will make her happy and make the trip easier, once we're safe I'll buy her necessities."
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