History Headscratchers / LegacyOfKain

11th Jul '16 11:32:56 AM DoPo
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** We could assume that normal humans in Nosgoth are actually quite a lot tougher than real life humans. Well, in reality, I think the answer is that the game wouldn't have been challenging otherwise, but whatever.\\
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It's not like the humans are really shown as ''weak'' even if unintentionally. Probably the worst examples come from Blood Omen 2 where Kain was able to ''impale a lowly peasant to the hilt of his sword, then throw them on the ground and they wouldn't as much as limp''. Also, literally putting a blade ''through somebody's brain'' wouldn't kill them. But [=BO2=] was also...umm, not that realistic in many other respects - it is, frankly, a bit surprising that decapitating somebody isn't OnlyAFleshWound. In [=SR2=] we see that the Reaver blade, which is the ultimate weapon that the Ancients devised (well, against the Hylden, but still) isn't that effective against people - you really have to give those Sarafan a very good beating until they go down. And all the while their very blood is being sucked right out of their veins. Kain also uses the same blade throughout Defiance and humans don't seem to be ''that'' bothered that they are being hit with a mysterious sword that empties their veins with each strike. Even when the sword starts causing them to be on fire they seem to take it in stride (all things considering, that is). Don't know about you but I'd certainly look a little more hurt if somebody hits me with a giant sword, my blood escapes through the wound and I am also set ablaze afterwards. Just seems like something that would hurt a bit more than depicted in Defiance. Not to mention that Kain himself is not a pushover, either - he is literally more than a thousand years old and also literally inhumanly strong. I think any normal human shouldn't really survive a hit from him regardless of whether Kain is using a sword which is very, very good at killing or not.\\
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Bottom line is that - yes, I believe that humans shouldn't really stand a chance. Blood Omen 1 is probably the most "realistic" in the way of how tough the humans would probably be - the rest of the games don't seem to be as accurate. Yet, I'd call that a variation of GameplayAndStorySegregation where the combat gameplay does not really show the real power of either Raziel/Kain, or their (human? all?) enemies, or both.
15th Jun '16 4:08:03 AM aurast
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** The falls of the Pillars was orchestrated mostly by the Hylden, who don't specifically need Nupraptor and the gang; technically speaking, they just need to corrupt a group of Pillar Guardians eventually. So the situation would probably end up just as bad, just on a different schedule. Also, probably not a good idea to stop the one event that everyone's current existence depends on, "history abors a paradox" and all that.

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** The falls of the Pillars was orchestrated mostly by the Hylden, who don't specifically need Nupraptor and the gang; technically speaking, they just need to corrupt a group of Pillar Guardians eventually. So the situation would probably end up just as bad, just on a different schedule. Also, probably not a good idea to stop the one event that everyone's current existence depends on, "history abors abhors a paradox" and all that.



** The irratent is expelled as Kain puts it, so sword Raziel was deleted from existence to cope with the paradox until history was changed so that it could be purified and used to heal Kain.
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** The irratent irritant is expelled expelled, as Kain puts it, so sword Raziel was deleted from existence to cope with the paradox until history was changed so that it could be purified and used to heal Kain.
* If Raziel is strong enough to move gigantic blocks of stone with his bare hands, how can humans give him any difficulty? Can he not simply shatter blades and shields with a single punch? Shouldn't he be able to kill a human with a single swing of his weapon?
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19th Feb '16 1:44:32 PM Rory1989
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** The irratent is expelled as Kain puts it, so sword Raziel was deleted from existence to cope with the paradox until history was changed so that it could be purified and used to heal Kain.
9th Dec '15 11:40:18 PM karizake
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** The falls of the Pillars was orchestrated mostly by the Hylden, who don't specifically need Nupraptor and the gang to corrupt them; technically speaking, they just need to corrupt a group eventually. So the situation would probably end up just as bad. Also, probably not a good idea to stop the one event that everyone's current existence depends on, "history abors a paradox" and all that.

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** The falls of the Pillars was orchestrated mostly by the Hylden, who don't specifically need Nupraptor and the gang to corrupt them; gang; technically speaking, they just need to corrupt a group of Pillar Guardians eventually. So the situation would probably end up just as bad.bad, just on a different schedule. Also, probably not a good idea to stop the one event that everyone's current existence depends on, "history abors a paradox" and all that.
9th Dec '15 11:39:02 PM karizake
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**The falls of the Pillars was orchestrated mostly by the Hylden, who don't specifically need Nupraptor and the gang to corrupt them; technically speaking, they just need to corrupt a group eventually. So the situation would probably end up just as bad. Also, probably not a good idea to stop the one event that everyone's current existence depends on, "history abors a paradox" and all that.
9th Dec '15 10:57:40 PM karizake
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* When Raziel gets sucked into the Reaver, where does the Raziel soul he's wielding go to? At the end of ''Defiance'', I'm pretty sure the ArmSword!Raziel is used to purify Kain while Regular!Raziel becomes Reaver!Raziel, but in every other timeline did infinite Raziels just keep piling up inside the Reaver?
4th Dec '15 8:11:09 PM UraRenge
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* Considering the reason everything went to shit with the pillars because Ariel was murdered and thus Nupraptor cursed the rest of the circle, including Kain at birth, couldn't the whole situation be fixed if Raziel just went back in time and prevented Ariel's death?
22nd Sep '15 4:05:16 AM aurast
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** Janos confirms in Defiance that the Ancients' racial immortality was the main part of the curse placed upon them by the Hylden, as well as sterility and bloodthirst. It could be that the Pillar Guardians were always meant to be immortal, only being replaced if they died of unnatural causes. They would make this sacrifice so that the rest of the Ancients could remain part of the Wheel of Fate while the war with the Hylden was ended. The curse screwed that up, however, turning them into Vampires and making the Elder God abandon them. THEN they started committing suicide. Therefore, the human guardians could well be immortal.
11th Sep '15 5:19:53 PM ManInGray
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** I'm pretty sure that all guardians have their lives extended indefinitely by the pillars, and that what was done to the vampires is a metaphysical change beyond that; A complete severing of their connection to the Wheel.
6th Sep '15 1:43:03 PM DoPo
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** I believe it is not everybody. It seems plausible that the Pillars do not prolong the lives of their guardians - after all, the Pillars do select new guardians upon birth, so it seems they weren't designed to grant immortality (or, perhaps more accurately, longevity). This is further reinforced by the fact that the Ancients created them - when _they_ were granted immortality, they took their own lives, as they couldn't bear being separated from the Wheel of Fate.
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