History Headscratchers / KnightsOftheOldRepublic

1st Sep '17 9:26:46 PM HalcyonDayz
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** The Revan novel is essentially KotoR 3, wrapping up the loose ends from KotoR 1 and 2 (where did Revan and the Exile go), and leads into SWTOR. The development of SWTOR started right around the time Star Wars: Galaxies was ''really'' going downhill, and Creator/LucasArts yanked Sony's license shortly thereafter and gave it to Bioware. It may have been a case of ExecutiveMeddling: "Make us an MMO because the old Star Wars MMO is tanking, and we want to keep that market open."

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** The Revan novel is essentially KotoR [=KotoR=] 3, wrapping up the loose ends from KotoR [=KotoR=] 1 and 2 (where did Revan and the Exile go), and leads into SWTOR. The development of SWTOR started right around the time Star Wars: Galaxies was ''really'' going downhill, and Creator/LucasArts yanked Sony's license shortly thereafter and gave it to Bioware. It may have been a case of ExecutiveMeddling: "Make us an MMO because the old Star Wars MMO is tanking, and we want to keep that market open."



** Haig, Plumer, Monash, Foch, Diaz, Hindenburg, Ludendorff, and Brusilov demand an apology for the insult because they didn't exactly HAVE the luxury of mobile warfare and had to build modern military strategy more or less from the ground up. And so does Malak, Revan, and the Republican bigwigs because you overlooked matters. For one, you are forgetting that the Jedi Council didn't SEND Bastila off to Taris when it was under occuption, and the pre-release website specifically noted that Taris was a Republican planet but VERY strategically isolated. The tutorial you play is the Sith Fleet's attack on the Republic Navy's forces arraigned to defend Taris, in which they thoroughly crush the defenders and land and occupy the planet AFTER you all have been forced to bail out. This is roughly comparable to [=VIPs=] being trapped behind enemy lines after a sudden and violent shift in the battle lines, so they certainly didn't plan to have her on a planet occupied by the Sith. From what little we DO see of Taris (with it being a massive city-planet with billions of people and a strict caste system) the Sith ARE trying to organize the locals to track down Bastila, mainly though criminal contacts. It's just that Taris is really, REALLY large and your party are the EXCEPTION in being able to access all three layers of the planet. And Star Wars- from the original series to the KOTOR legacy and beyond- have shown that you cannot hope to topple the ruling galactic power by going straight for the heart and driving on Coruscant. Because even if you DID manage to take it, the surviving loyalists in the countless systems and planets and fleets around it will promptly cut you off from reinforcements and crush you. That is what happened to the Original Sith Empire during the Great Hyperspace War, Exar Kun's Empire in the Great Sith War, by all accounts the Tionese war back when, the Yinchorri, and PLENTY of others. The camapaigns against the sitting government we HAVE seen turn out even remotely successfully- the Rebellion, the True Sith invasion of Republican space, etc. have pretty much ALL been won by slowly chewing away at the power of the sitting government. Which means going for pretty much everything BUT Coruscant and the Core until you have conquered more or less the rest, at which point you can more or less do whatever the hell you want with Coruscant and the Core, as the True Sith and then the Rebels showed. Since Malak HAS to know that a direct drive on Coruscant would be unwise if not outright suicidal, he probably taking advantage of the advantegous position of his fleet to blockade Taris and search for Bastila- who is believed to be the ONLY thing preventing the Republic from dying outright-, solidify the occupation, regroup after the battle to smash the Taris defense fleet, monitor subordinates in other sectors, and generally wait and plan his next move.



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** Haig, Plumer, Monash, Foch, Diaz, Hindenburg, Ludendorff, and Brusilov demand an apology for the insult because they didn't exactly HAVE the luxury of mobile warfare and had to build modern military strategy more or less from the ground up. And so does Malak, Revan, and the Republican bigwigs because you overlooked matters. For one, you are forgetting that the Jedi Council didn't SEND Bastila off to Taris when it was under occuption, and the pre-release website specifically noted that Taris was a Republican planet but VERY strategically isolated. The tutorial you play is the Sith Fleet's attack on the Republic Navy's forces arraigned to defend Taris, in which they thoroughly crush the defenders and land and occupy the planet AFTER you all have been forced to bail out. This is roughly comparable to [=VIPs=] being trapped behind enemy lines after a sudden and violent shift in the battle lines, so they certainly didn't plan to have her on a planet occupied by the Sith. From what little we DO see of Taris (with it being a massive city-planet with billions of people and a strict caste system) the Sith ARE trying to organize the locals to track down Bastila, mainly though criminal contacts. It's just that Taris is really, REALLY large and your party are the EXCEPTION in being able to access all three layers of the planet. And Star Wars- from the original series to the KOTOR VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic legacy and beyond- have shown that you cannot hope to topple the ruling galactic power by going straight for the heart and driving on Coruscant. Because even if you DID manage to take it, the surviving loyalists in the countless systems and planets and fleets around it will promptly cut you off from reinforcements and crush you. That is what happened to the Original Sith Empire during the Great Hyperspace War, Exar Kun's Empire in the Great Sith War, by all accounts the Tionese war back when, the Yinchorri, and PLENTY of others. The camapaigns against the sitting government we HAVE seen turn out even remotely successfully- the Rebellion, the True Sith invasion of Republican space, etc. have pretty much ALL been won by slowly chewing away at the power of the sitting government. Which means going for pretty much everything BUT Coruscant and the Core until you have conquered more or less the rest, at which point you can more or less do whatever the hell you want with Coruscant and the Core, as the True Sith and then the Rebels showed. Since Malak HAS to know that a direct drive on Coruscant would be unwise if not outright suicidal, he probably taking advantage of the advantegous position of his fleet to blockade Taris and search for Bastila- who is believed to be the ONLY thing preventing the Republic from dying outright-, solidify the occupation, regroup after the battle to smash the Taris defense fleet, monitor subordinates in other sectors, and generally wait and plan his next move.





** Out of universe, Revan being reprogrammed by the emperor was something decided years later. In universe, it's mentioned that Revan didn't remember what the emperor did to him till after the events of KOTOR, and if he didn't know that, then how would anybody else?


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** Out of universe, Revan being reprogrammed by the emperor was something decided years later. In universe, it's mentioned that Revan didn't remember what the emperor did to him till after the events of KOTOR, VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic, and if he didn't know that, then how would anybody else?




* At the end of KOTOR I, you find out as a dark side character that Darth Revan's Robes were created by using the Star Forge. However, in a early cutscene, you see Revan in finding the Dantooine Star Map already dressed in his robes in the process of still looking for the Star Forge. Is that an oversight?

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* At the end of KOTOR [=KOTOR=] I, you find out as a dark side character that Darth Revan's Robes were created by using the Star Forge. However, in a early cutscene, you see Revan in finding the Dantooine Star Map already dressed in his robes in the process of still looking for the Star Forge. Is that an oversight?



** The KOTOR comics explain that Taris' Republic membership is something very recent which was obtained through corruption. Taris is full of Republic business interests, and when the Mandalorians came a little bit too close to it, the Senate gave the planet Republic membership, a Jedi presence and a huge fleet to protect the sector. Also, the Senator was crooked and gained his Senate seat in exchange for tax cuts for some businesses.

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** The KOTOR VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic comics explain that Taris' Republic membership is something very recent which was obtained through corruption. Taris is full of Republic business interests, and when the Mandalorians came a little bit too close to it, the Senate gave the planet Republic membership, a Jedi presence and a huge fleet to protect the sector. Also, the Senator was crooked and gained his Senate seat in exchange for tax cuts for some businesses.
3rd Jul '17 9:20:34 PM mylordshesacactus
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*** *That's actually not true.* What she says is that she's afraid of being recognized ''by recent defectors from the Jedi.'' On other Sith-controlled worlds, the odds of running into anyone who knows her personally are astronomical; the galaxy is a big place and there are only so many Jedi who met Bastila in person often enough to recognize her on sight AND defected to the Sith. But there are a few, and Korriban is where all of them go to train. She knows for a ''fact'' that there are several Sith here who know her, personally, because they've met her before in person. That's ''very'' different from random Sith grunts who are (canonically!) working off nothing but a written description and have no reason to expect her to show up.
24th Jun '17 6:23:04 PM ImpudentInfidel
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*** The game came out two years before Episode 3, nobody involved knew about the lighting thing. This is the system the EU had in place before the movie retconned it.
23rd Jun '17 11:53:59 PM Wolf101
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** The Selkath aren't pacifists, they're politically neutral. It's not that they won't get involved in a fight, it's that they wont get involved in ''this'' fight. They strictly enforce the peace because their planet is not at war and they'd like to keep it that way.
21st Jun '17 5:54:16 PM 134340Goat
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*The Selkath are overt pacifists who will fine and possibly arrest you for merely making a threat of violence. And yet the very first Selkath you meet sells plasma grenades and thermal detonators along with medpacks. Logic? Is there any?
24th May '17 7:14:36 AM Allronix
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** Well, Carth was heavily affiliated with the Republic, and his piloting skills ended up being essential. T3 was needed for his slicing skills. Zaalbar had sworn a Life Debt to Revan, so good luck trying to get him to go away. And Mission wouldn't want to be separated from Big Z, not to mention that she had a number of useful talents herself (stealth, demolitions, etc). The only one who really doesn't make sense is Canderous, since he ''did'' used to be a sworn enemy of the Republic and there was no guarantee that he wouldn't stab everybody in the back.

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** Well, Carth was heavily affiliated with the Republic, and his piloting skills ended up being essential. T3 was needed for his slicing skills. Zaalbar had sworn a Life Debt to Revan, so good luck trying to get him to go away. And Mission wouldn't want to be separated from Big Z, not to mention that she had a number of useful talents herself (stealth, demolitions, etc). The only one who really doesn't make sense is Canderous, since he ''did'' used to be a sworn enemy of the Republic and there was no guarantee that he wouldn't stab everybody in the back. However, he has a pretty good case for being "co-owner" of the Ebon Hawk, doubly so since everyone above him in Davik's chain of command isn't around to say he stole it (and, being a Mando, he could argue it's his by right of "spoils of battle" anyway)



*** Juhani is a padawan, Jolee's been out of contact for 40 years and Revan always wore a mask. Since there are hundreds of Jedi at this point in history, the arrival of a few is not going to cause that much panic amoung Sith forces. Also, while the actual Dark Jedi with probably know her, not every single Sith trooper is going to know what Bastila looks like.

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*** Juhani is a padawan, Jolee's been out of contact for 40 years and Revan always wore a mask. Since there are hundreds of Jedi at this point in history, the arrival of a few is not going to cause that much panic amoung among Sith forces. Also, while the actual Dark Jedi with probably know her, not every single Sith trooper is going to know what Bastila looks like.
4th Mar '17 1:28:29 AM Kreyghun
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*** If the explanation for nobody recognizing him is supposed to the mask, then the real question should be why nobody was in the slighest bit concerned about a Jedi wearing a Vader-looking mask during his entire life. It's a plot hole no matter which way you look at it. The player character is both the most dangerous and the most famous person in the galaxy. Even if you don't assume news channels throughout the galaxy broadcasted a hologram of his appearance, which is a huge stretch, there are still dozens of Jedi walking around on Dantooine and dozens of Sith walking around on Korriban. Someone should have recognized the player character, and the Jedi Masters who brainwashed him should have anticipated that happening. Yet nobody does. But when it suddenly becomes convenient for the plot, characters do recognize you, like the isolated Rakata on the final planet, even though they couldn't have, because Revan was wearing his Darth mask when he first went there, whereas the player character doesn't.
14th Jan '17 10:24:18 AM nombretomado
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** The Revan novel is essentially KotoR 3, wrapping up the loose ends from KotoR 1 and 2 (where did Revan and the Exile go), and leads into SWTOR. The development of SWTOR started right around the time Star Wars: Galaxies was ''really'' going downhill, and LucasArts yanked Sony's license shortly thereafter and gave it to Bioware. It may have been a case of ExecutiveMeddling: "Make us an MMO because the old Star Wars MMO is tanking, and we want to keep that market open."

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** The Revan novel is essentially KotoR 3, wrapping up the loose ends from KotoR 1 and 2 (where did Revan and the Exile go), and leads into SWTOR. The development of SWTOR started right around the time Star Wars: Galaxies was ''really'' going downhill, and LucasArts Creator/LucasArts yanked Sony's license shortly thereafter and gave it to Bioware. It may have been a case of ExecutiveMeddling: "Make us an MMO because the old Star Wars MMO is tanking, and we want to keep that market open."
30th Aug '16 6:28:22 AM Wolf101
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** Revan installed the ''interface'' and locked it down. Presumably if you had the time you could dismantle it and access the database directly. I have no idea how the interface translates a dead language to Basic however.
8th Jul '16 4:49:51 AM 134340Goat
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* About the Star Map on Kashyyyk - what's with the whole "programmed only to open for Revan" thing? The map is thousands of years old. You're telling me Revan and Malak were the first ones to find the damn thing, and, despite having 90% of questions asked result in a data error, Revan was able to program the computer to only respond to him? Furthermore, why is it a hologram of a Rakata speaking Basic? Revan didn't learn the Rakatan language until he went to the planet with Malak and ripped it from their minds using the Force. The whole thing just feels like one enormous plothole.
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