History Headscratchers / KingdomsofAmalurReckoning

20th Apr '18 2:17:38 AM BobTheBard
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* After the Scholia Arcana questline why can't you just free the previous Archsage? You have everything you need to do it sitting in the courtyard because you ''literally just used them''. They clearly retained their power, you know how to use them, and you know it works. Why not just do it again?
* Why did the Warsworn appoint Grian Shane as Castellan of Helmgard Keep? As good a soldier as he may be, it doesn't make sense to put a pretty-boy with no use for books or history and a general disregard for personal responsibility in charge of guarding your ancient reliquary full of dangerous artifacts that have never even been catalogued. It's hardly a surprise this bit them in the ass in a major way.
14th Apr '18 2:02:19 AM BobTheBard
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** I think that it was less the Fate of the Fateless One, but rather the Fate of the Well Of Souls. So Agarth or the other Fateweavers would see 'Yes, the Well of Souls will work once, and then get blown up.' It's just when they look at the fate of the person that did get ressurected do things go off the rails.
** That seems to be it. Note that the Fateless One's creation immediately changed things, such as [[spoiler:indirectly preventing the death of Huges]].

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** I think that it was less the Fate of the Fateless One, but rather the Fate of the Well Of Souls. So Agarth or the other Fateweavers would see 'Yes, the Well of Souls will work once, and then get blown up.' It's just when they look at the fate of the person that did get ressurected resurrected do things go off the rails.
*** Agarth explains it early in the game - It was the fate of Hugues to die after the Well of Souls worked successfully for the first time. His cards never foretold what that might entail because that wasn't what he was looking at. This means that he knew the Well would work but didn't know what might come out of it, which is why the Fateless One surprises him.
** That seems to be it. Note that the Fateless One's creation immediately changed things, such as [[spoiler:indirectly preventing the death of Huges]].Hugues]].
16th Mar '18 3:40:30 AM GriffinPilgrim
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** Also he/she presumably looks ''identical'' to his/her former self, tattoos and all, not mere ''like'' them.

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** Also he/she presumably looks ''identical'' to his/her former self, tattoos and all, not mere merely ''like'' them.
16th Mar '18 3:36:37 AM GriffinPilgrim
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* Does the fateless one's ScrewDestiny powers actually allow him to permakill the fae? I always thought that all he could do was disrupt their "telling"
** It's not clear there's actually a difference. Anyway, apparently the fateless one can kill them for good.

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* Does the fateless one's Fateless One's ScrewDestiny powers actually allow him to permakill the fae? I always thought that all he could do was disrupt their "telling"
** It's not clear there's actually a difference. Anyway, apparently the fateless one Fateless One can kill them for good.



* How does fae immortality work? From what we are told, dead Fae are reborn in identical bodies some time after dying, and this can take a few years. Fine. Then why does the house of Ballads exist? An entire order of faes who "assume" the mantle of great fae heroes past to inspire their kin and continue the Cyclical History of the Fae. Why are those replacement needed? Shouldn't the heroes whose identities they assume still be around? King Wencen for example mentions he's the fifth Wencen... So where's the original? And the intervening three?
** Elsewhere. Apparently, normally dead Fae wind up in the other court until they get killed again, and when they cycle back the particularly notable ones have new adventures.
** This raises questions then about the Maid of Windemere. The game is pretty clear she's not a willing stand-in like the House of Ballads. If she changes court with each death, what does the house of Ballads do when she's not around? Since she's their BigBad and most of their ballads involve her? And if she's free to have new adventures, why is she seeking so hard to free herself from the Ballads?

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* How does fae Fae immortality work? From what we are told, dead Fae are reborn in identical bodies some time after dying, and this can take a few years. Fine. Then why does the house House of Ballads exist? An entire order of faes who "assume" the mantle of great fae heroes past to inspire their kin and continue the Cyclical History of the Fae. Why are those replacement replacements needed? Shouldn't the heroes whose identities they assume still be around? King Wencen for example mentions he's the fifth Wencen... So where's the original? And the intervening three?
** Elsewhere. Apparently, normally dead Fae wind up in the other court until they get killed again, again and when they cycle back the particularly notable ones have new adventures.
** This raises questions then about the Maid of Windemere. The game is pretty clear she's not a willing stand-in like the House of Ballads. If she changes court with each death, what does the house House of Ballads do when she's not around? Since she's their BigBad and most of their ballads involve her? And if she's free to have new adventures, why is she seeking so hard to free herself from the Ballads?




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** Akara is a tree. He's not always going to think like a human. Maybe it never occurred to him.




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** Also he/she presumably looks ''identical'' to his/her former self, tattoos and all, not mere ''like'' them.
16th Mar '18 3:25:38 AM GriffinPilgrim
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** I got heard about that. Thinking back, I'm pretty sure it was known that prismere was AppliedPhlebotinum (or for the gnomes {{Unobtainium}}) before the game, but it was rare. and it grew in klurikon in winter faelands. If thats true, then I think the answer is in the story. You were [[spoiler: killed the first time by tirnoch because you "wanted to find the power source."]] I think that prismere always grew in abundance here, and now that tirnoch is getting free, her power is leaking out of her (underground) prison, and powering all the prismere in the country as a side-benefit. she can probably influence the stone as well, seeing as how its charged with her power, and that would explain how she mutated the fae.

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** I got heard about that. Thinking back, I'm pretty sure it was known that prismere was AppliedPhlebotinum (or for the gnomes {{Unobtainium}}) before the game, but it was rare. and And it grew in klurikon Klurikon in winter faelands. If thats true, true then I think the answer is in the story. You were [[spoiler: killed the first time by tirnoch Tirnoch because you "wanted to find the power source."]] I think that prismere always grew in abundance here, and here and, now that tirnoch Tirnoch is getting free, her power is leaking out of her (underground) prison, and powering all the prismere in the country as a side-benefit. she She can probably influence the stone as well, seeing as how its charged with her power, and that would explain how she mutated the fae.
16th Mar '18 3:23:42 AM GriffinPilgrim
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* Does the Well actually work? You are the only one for whom it has ever worked [[spoiler: and you had a pretty wierd death what with having your fate ripped off the cosmos by a [[PhysicalGod dragon]]]]. I never really understood all that stuff about [[spoiler: being attuned to ventrinio's well]] wich sounded significant. Also, does any time pass between your death and your rez? I think it was 10years or something, but I was never really sure.
** I don't think time passes--at least, not a lot. And I imagine the Fateless thing is what allowed the Well to work on you, yes. Basically, most souls have a fate beyond death, and it doesn't include coming back to life. The Well was useless on them. You, however, were unbound from fate, and thus free to be pulled back and revived. If this theory is true, that means the Well would work on pretty much everyone now.
** The in-game explanation is that [[spoiler:Tirnoch's raw power was the missing ingredient that allowed the Well to work for you. With Tirnoch dead, this probably means the Well won't work for anyone again.]]

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* Does the Well actually work? You are the only one for whom it has ever worked [[spoiler: and you had a pretty wierd death what with having your fate ripped off the cosmos by a [[PhysicalGod dragon]]]]. I never really understood all that stuff about [[spoiler: being attuned to ventrinio's well]] wich Ventrinio's Well]] which sounded significant. Also, Also does any time pass between your death and your rez? I think it was 10years 10 years or something, something but I was never really sure.
** I don't think time passes--at least, not a lot. And I imagine the Fateless thing is what allowed the Well to work on you, yes. Basically, Basically most souls have a fate beyond death, death and it doesn't include coming back to life. The Well was useless on them. You, however, were unbound from fate, fate and thus free to be pulled back and revived. If this theory is true, true that means the Well would work on pretty much everyone now.
** The in-game explanation is that [[spoiler:Tirnoch's raw power was the missing ingredient that allowed the Well to work for you. With Tirnoch dead, dead this probably means the Well won't work for anyone again.]]
16th Mar '18 3:22:04 AM GriffinPilgrim
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* If Fate up to the point of the Fateless one's resurrection had been following a set, unchanging pattern untll you start messing with it, then how did Agarth foresee the circumstances of his own death so accurately? He only went to the place where he was supposed to die because he was accompanying you, but you were never part of Fate's pattern, so he shouldn't have seen himself being there. What gives?
** Agarth mentions that he generally only sees death, so it wouldn't have been that detailed. He knew what killed him, where, and possibly when, but that's it. Maybe in the original plan he just wanted to get a good look at the entire tapestry, since the world was going to hell.

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* If Fate up to the point of the Fateless one's resurrection had been following a set, unchanging pattern untll you start messing with it, it then how did Agarth foresee the circumstances of his own death so accurately? He only went to the place where he was supposed to die because he was accompanying you, you but you were never part of Fate's pattern, so he shouldn't have seen himself being there. What gives?
** Agarth mentions that he generally only sees death, death so it wouldn't have been that detailed. He knew what killed him, where, where and possibly when, when but that's it. Maybe in the original plan he just wanted to get a good look at the entire tapestry, since the world was going to hell.




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** Bare in mind that in the original sequence of events Agarth's very good friend Hughes would have just died. That's the sort of thing that would promote some introspection and perhaps a desire to go look at the Theater and try and divine some meaning from it.
16th Mar '18 3:18:50 AM GriffinPilgrim
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* Also If Tirnoch has as much control over fate as we think, she probably caused all the problems with the faction quests. And by that I mean she was getting the guy from the warsworn questline to release the niskaru lord. a being of such malevolent power that it was basically described as making the Balor from Mel Senshir look like a cute fluffy bunny in comparison, and who the [[OurAngelsAreDifferent Erathi]] couldn't kill. that sounds like a being that could give Tirnoch a run for her money. Why would she release him?

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* Also If Tirnoch has as much control over fate as we think, she probably caused all the problems with the faction quests. And by that I mean she was getting the guy from the warsworn questline to release the niskaru lord.Niskaru Lord. a being of such malevolent power that it was basically described as making the Balor from Mel Senshir look like a cute fluffy bunny in comparison, and who the [[OurAngelsAreDifferent Erathi]] couldn't kill. that sounds like a being that could give Tirnoch a run for her money. Why would she release him?
16th Mar '18 3:17:52 AM GriffinPilgrim
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** Besin's explicit reason for trying to summon the Niskaru is to defeat the Tuatha. No other reason is given, though admittedly, that enough. If destiny is a web, then manipulating one thread influences the ones next to it, and so one until ripples effect the whole pattern. Tirnoch might not be able to directly influence every thread, but she's smart enough to predict, to a limited extent, how one manipulation will effect the whole.

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** Besin's explicit reason for trying to summon the Niskaru is to defeat the Tuatha. No other reason is given, though admittedly, that admittedly that's enough. If destiny is a web, web then manipulating one thread influences the ones next to it, it and so one on until ripples effect the whole pattern. Tirnoch might not be able to directly influence every thread, thread but she's smart enough to predict, to a limited extent, how one manipulation will effect the whole.
** That doesn't mean she always gets it right. As you noted Besin got started trying to defeat the Tuatha. By shaping Fate to create the Tuatha and the Crystal War in the first place Tirnoch may very well have created that situation by accident. However given that only the Fateless One can kill her it's likely she simply doesn't care. So the Niskaru Lord goes on a rampage and kills a few hundred thousand mortals? Why should she give a damn?
16th Mar '18 3:11:45 AM GriffinPilgrim
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* Also If Tirnoch has as much control over fate as we think, she probably caused all the problems with the faction quests. And by that I mean she was getting the guy from the warsworn questline to release the niskaru lord. a being of such malevolent power that it was basically described as making the Balor from mel senshir look like a cute fluffy bunny in comparison, and who the [[OurAngelsAreDifferent Erathi]] couldn't kill. that sounds like a being that could give tirnoch a run for her money. Why would she release him?

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* Also If Tirnoch has as much control over fate as we think, she probably caused all the problems with the faction quests. And by that I mean she was getting the guy from the warsworn questline to release the niskaru lord. a being of such malevolent power that it was basically described as making the Balor from mel senshir Mel Senshir look like a cute fluffy bunny in comparison, and who the [[OurAngelsAreDifferent Erathi]] couldn't kill. that sounds like a being that could give tirnoch Tirnoch a run for her money. Why would she release him?



** Not really. The Niskaru are demons. as per mythos, they're chaos demons. they exist to destroy everything, and I doubt a demon lord would like being inferior to anything. besides, this particular demon lord is a Lord of Trickery and deceit. I can't see anyone being stupid enough to let something like that be a leutenant. PLUS Tirnoch is rediculously powerful. She doesn't need generals or an army. If she gets out, we're all screwed. the end. She doesn't need another eldritch abomination roming around helping her kill stuff.

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** Not really. The Niskaru are demons. as As per mythos, they're chaos demons. they They exist to destroy everything, everything and I doubt a demon lord would like being inferior to anything. besides, Besides, this particular demon lord is a Lord of Trickery trickery and deceit. I can't see anyone being stupid enough to let something like that be a leutenant. PLUS Tirnoch is rediculously powerful. She doesn't need generals or an army. If she gets out, we're all screwed. screwed, the end. She doesn't need another eldritch abomination roming around helping her kill stuff.



** Not what I meant. If Tirnoch had a hand in releasing the demon, her involvement was (if any) in the form of either influencing fate to either get Lord Besin to try to free it, or if that was already fated to happen, re write fate to erase the fact that he was originally fated to fail for some reason. If she has that much power......

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** Not what I meant. If Tirnoch had a hand in releasing the demon, her involvement was (if any) in the form of either influencing fate Fate to either get Lord Besin to try to free it, or it or, if that was already fated to happen, re write re-write fate to erase the fact that he was originally fated to fail for some reason. If she has that much power......
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