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21st Oct '15 6:42:21 AM Edlart
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*It is implied that Fae are immortal, but not eternal. Various Fae tell you something about Season "fading", and while yes, it could mean the whole thing about Tuatha winning and bringing Winter with them, it could also mean that Age of Fae ( or whatever it's called ) is nearly over. By the way, there was that Flowering quest where the second acting Fae didn't return from the Cycle, and your quest giver was very surprised.
4th May '15 9:35:32 AM JediMJSkywalker
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* But the question is how was the Fateless One resurrected in the first place? He/she was fated to die, presumably fated to be placed into the Well of Souls, but what then? Did Tirnoch first break fate in making the Fateless One come back and have no fate upon his/her return? Or was it the Fateless One's fate in the first place to break fate?



* But the question is how was the Fateless One resurrected in the first place? He/she was fated to die, presumably fated to be placed into the Well of Souls, but what then? Did Tirnoch first break fate in making the Fateless One come back and have no fate upon his/her return? Or was it the Fateless One's fate in the first place to break fate?

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* But the question is how was the Fateless One resurrected in the first place? He/she was fated to die, presumably fated to be placed into the Well of Souls, but what then? Did Tirnoch first break fate in making the Fateless One come back and have no fate upon his/her return? Or was it the Fateless One's fate in the first place to break fate?

4th May '15 9:34:54 AM JediMJSkywalker
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*But the question is how was the Fateless One resurrected in the first place? He/she was fated to die, presumably fated to be placed into the Well of Souls, but what then? Did Tirnoch first break fate in making the Fateless One come back and have no fate upon his/her return? Or was it the Fateless One's fate in the first place to break fate?
9th Jul '14 10:39:21 AM Discar
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[[folder:Tirnoch, Fate, and her prison]]




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** Not what I meant. If tirnoch had a hand in realeasing the demon, her involvement was (if any) in the form of either influencing fate to either get Lord Besin to try to free it, or if that was already fated to happen, re write fate to erase the fact that he was originally fated to fail for some reason. If she has that much power......

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** Not what I meant. If tirnoch Tirnoch had a hand in realeasing releasing the demon, her involvement was (if any) in the form of either influencing fate to either get Lord Besin to try to free it, or if that was already fated to happen, re write fate to erase the fact that he was originally fated to fail for some reason. If she has that much power......




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*** This raises questions then about the Maid of Windemere. The game is pretty clear she's not a willing stand-in like the House of Ballads. If she changes court with each death, what does the house of Ballads do when she's not around? Since she's their BigBad and most of their ballads involve her? And if she's free to have new adventures, why is she seeking so hard to free herself from the Ballads?
*** An early sidequest suggests some Fae are under compulsions to obey certain stories, particularly antagonists - you force a troll into battle to take a valuable ring from it by acting out the story in which it is the monster. The Maid may be under one of those compulsions and can be drawn into the tale no matter her present court.

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*** ** This raises questions then about the Maid of Windemere. The game is pretty clear she's not a willing stand-in like the House of Ballads. If she changes court with each death, what does the house of Ballads do when she's not around? Since she's their BigBad and most of their ballads involve her? And if she's free to have new adventures, why is she seeking so hard to free herself from the Ballads?
*** ** An early sidequest suggests some Fae are under compulsions to obey certain stories, particularly antagonists - you force a troll into battle to take a valuable ring from it by acting out the story in which it is the monster. The Maid may be under one of those compulsions and can be drawn into the tale no matter her present court.



*** It seems somewhat unlikely, as talking to everyone in the house seems to imply several of them have done most tellings several times. One could handwave it as them just being "in character", but still, a lot of the discussions, including with Wencen who is pretty open about dropping the act, seem to imply they've gone through the tellings multiple times.
*** Then there may just be certain rules among the Fae (at least those in the Houses) preventing the originals and their successors from coming back to retread the stories after a point, unless you're one of those forced into repetition like the Maid. Say if you get killed while off-duty and so can't be there for the next Telling, so a new successor is needed, meaning your time as that character is over.

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*** ** It seems somewhat unlikely, as talking to everyone in the house seems to imply several of them have done most tellings several times. One could handwave it as them just being "in character", but still, a lot of the discussions, including with Wencen who is pretty open about dropping the act, seem to imply they've gone through the tellings multiple times.
*** ** Then there may just be certain rules among the Fae (at least those in the Houses) preventing the originals and their successors from coming back to retread the stories after a point, unless you're one of those forced into repetition like the Maid. Say if you get killed while off-duty and so can't be there for the next Telling, so a new successor is needed, meaning your time as that character is over.over.

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*** I think that it was less the Fate of the Fateless One, but rather the Fate of the Well Of Souls. So Agarth or the other Fateweavers would see 'Yes, the Well of Souls will work once, and then get blown up.' It's just when they look at the fate of the person that did get ressurected do things go off the rails.
*** That seems to be it. Note that the Fateless One's creation immediately changed things, such as [[spoiler:indirectly preventing the death of Huges]].
*** Also I think [[spoiler: Tirnoch needed the Fateless One's power to escape from her cell. She saw that the only way for her to escape was to have a Fateless One show up with plenty of power, suck them dry, and then break free. So she let the Well work, once. She just didn't count on her key to escape, also having the power to beat her once and for all.]]
*** Worth noting: Nothing suggests that Fate is a sentient entity. It's a force not person, guessing at it's motives is pointless; it doesn't have any.

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*** ** I think that it was less the Fate of the Fateless One, but rather the Fate of the Well Of Souls. So Agarth or the other Fateweavers would see 'Yes, the Well of Souls will work once, and then get blown up.' It's just when they look at the fate of the person that did get ressurected do things go off the rails.
*** ** That seems to be it. Note that the Fateless One's creation immediately changed things, such as [[spoiler:indirectly preventing the death of Huges]].
*** ** Also I think [[spoiler: Tirnoch needed the Fateless One's power to escape from her cell. She saw that the only way for her to escape was to have a Fateless One show up with plenty of power, suck them dry, and then break free. So she let the Well work, once. She just didn't count on her key to escape, also having the power to beat her once and for all.]]
*** ** Worth noting: Nothing suggests that Fate is a sentient entity. It's a force not person, guessing at it's its motives is pointless; it doesn't have any.
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** Given that the story hinges on a returned individual (see below) it's unlikely. Amnesia often results in a personality change.

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** Given that the story hinges on a returned individual (see below) individual, it's unlikely. Amnesia often results in a personality change.change.

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9th Jul '14 10:34:22 AM Discar
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** Talk to the armorer in Idylla and she comments they just look like they're made of stone, but are creatures of flesh and need armor as much as anyone else.

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** Talk to the armorer in Idylla and she comments they just look like they're made of stone, but are creatures of flesh and need armor as much as anyone else.else.



* If the Fateless One was truly beyond fate, how was it possible for his/her creation to be foreseen by Agarth? This implies that in some sense Fate itself had become suicidal and had engineered the means for its own demise.
** Or maybe Fate was bored and decide to allow a wild card to be created just to see what'd happen if he let someone he had absolutely no control over run amok in the world. Think of it this way, knowing exactly everything that's going to happen in advance makes for a pretty boring existence.
*** I think that it was less the Fate of the Fateless One, but rather the Fate of the Well Of Souls. So Agarth or the other Fateweavers would see 'Yes, the Well of Souls will work once, and then get blown up.' It's just when they look at the fate of the person that did get ressurected do things go off the rails.
*** That seems to be it. Note that the Fateless One's creation immediately changed things, such as [[spoiler:indirectly preventing the death of Huges]].
*** Also I think [[spoiler: Tirnoch needed the Fateless One's power to escape from her cell. She saw that the only way for her to escape was to have a Fateless One show up with plenty of power, suck them dry, and then break free. So she let the Well work, once. She just didn't count on her key to escape, also having the power to beat her once and for all.]]
*** Worth noting: Nothing suggests that Fate is a sentient entity. It's a force not person, guessing at it's motives is pointless; it doesn't have any.

* All the [=NPCs=] keep telling the Fateless One that he's been resurrected. But he wakes up with complete amnesia and at no point does he regain his memories, and it's also implied that the original had a markedly different personality. So is the Fateless One truly BackFromTheDead... or a completely new person who merely looks like him?
** Given that the story hinges on a returned individual (see below) it's unlikely. Amnesia often results in a personality change.
30th May '14 5:07:58 PM Nerrin
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** Stone can be cut, broken, chipped, polished, and otherwise altered. Their hair may also not be stone, given they have non-stone blood and viscera. May as well ask how their hair can even ''grow'' in the first place - or how they grow, or move. Or just [[AWizardDidIt blame magic]].

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** Stone can be cut, broken, chipped, polished, Talk to the armorer in Idylla and otherwise altered. Their hair may also not be she comments they just look like they're made of stone, given they have non-stone blood but are creatures of flesh and viscera. May need armor as well ask how their hair can even ''grow'' in the first place - or how they grow, or move. Or just [[AWizardDidIt blame magic]].much as anyone else.
30th May '14 3:49:08 PM Nerrin
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* How do Kollosae cut and style their hair? Aren't they made of stone too?

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* How do Kollosae cut and style their hair? Aren't they made of stone too?too?
** Stone can be cut, broken, chipped, polished, and otherwise altered. Their hair may also not be stone, given they have non-stone blood and viscera. May as well ask how their hair can even ''grow'' in the first place - or how they grow, or move. Or just [[AWizardDidIt blame magic]].
26th May '14 9:33:45 PM Nerrin
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*** Then there may just be certain rules among the Fae (at least those in the Houses) preventing the originals and their successors from coming back to retread the stories after a point, unless you're one of those forced into repetition like the Maid. Say if you get killed while off-duty and so can't be there for the next Telling, so a new successor is needed, meaning your time as that character is over.
26th May '14 9:06:39 PM Ghilz
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*** It seems somewhat unlikely, as talking to everyone in the house seems to imply several of them have done most tellings several times. One could handwave it as them just being "in character", but still, a lot of the discussions, including with Wencen who is pretty open about dropping the act, seem to imply they've gone through the tellings multiple times.
26th May '14 8:55:46 PM Nerrin
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*** An early sidequest suggests some Fae are under compulsions to obey certain stories, particularly antagonists - you force a troll into battle to take a valuable ring from it by acting out the story in which it is the monster. The Maid may be under one of those compulsions and can be drawn into the tale no matter her present court.
** Perhaps Fae are not able (or allowed) to repeat a Telling or take part in the Telling of their own deeds. It's like the relationship between an author and their work, or a fan and their first experience of it - even if you try to create or experience a story anew, it will never be the same because you're marked by having already done it. Meanwhile, someone new must be Sagrell for each enactment because Sagrell himself is still ''living'' his stories and can't go back to the old ones, leaving his successors subject to the same limits when it comes to embodying him. No recursion allowed.
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