History Headscratchers / Kickassia

** [[DontExplainTheJoke That's the joke.]]
* This is really general, only did anyone else think this was nowhere near funny? It seemed to be popular amongst the site's fans, so I might be a minority on this, only I was very disappointed by it indeed. In this whole attempt to be 'epic,' as the fans all say, we just get a bunch of slow boring montages that do nothing beyond mocking movie-montages. Then most of the jokes I felt like were the same thing over and over. Character goes into dramatic monologue. Character acts overblown and ostentatious. Character chews scenery and references other movies. Then they subvert it by suddenly slipping into a casual tone of voice and noticing something silly....Not so funny after the nine hundredth time. I could go elsewhere, like how the whole Sarah Palin thing seemed really forced and unoriginal, only those were the main things that made it un-funny to me. It was just this big attempt to be 'epic,' and was the same joke over and over. Anyone agree on the whole or what?

** [[DontExplainTheJoke That's the joke.]]

* Film Brain is out of character. This wouldn't bug me much - RuleOfFunny and all that (plus it's flippin' adorable) - except that the Nostalgia Critic appeared in Bad Movie Beatdown: The Jazz Singer as a BadBoss - and Film Brain was definitely not his lapdog in that skit. Can anyone else who remembers that make sense of the change?

*** ''Ahem...'' "[[CatchPhrase SYMBOLISM!!!]]"

** For that matter, why was '''''Dominic''''' included in the montage? Between the Nostalgia Critic and the brief cameos of Chester A. Bum and Ask That Guy, Doug already has more screen time than anyone else in the film; was it really necessary for ''all'' of his popular characters to make an appearance?

** Personally, I was more concerned by that fact that, while trying to shut up Benzaie, Linkara tells Critic to "go ahead and kill [Insano]." Especially since they established not a second earlier that '''Spoony is still in there!'''

** For that matter, why was '''''Dominic''''' included in the montage? Between the Nostalgia Critic and the brief cameos of Chester A. Bum and Ask That Guy, Doug Walker ''already'' has more screen time than anyone else in the film; was it really necessary for ''all'' of his popular characters to make an appearance?

* Okay, [[{{hazzaboner}} this troper]] is going to have to restart the whole SarahPalin thing bugging mess. It's not that her accent or impression is bad, necessarily. It's that the whole thing is ''ridiculously'' dated. Sarah Palin hasn't been a huge personality for about a year and a half, and the TinaFey impersonation is just that old. Consider that, if there had been such a parody at the last anniversary, it would have been ''six months'' out of date. The reference is dated and it's already been done to death, and it ruins the great character of the NostalgiaChick with a one joke character whose joke isn't even funny.

* In a bit of a Meta Bug, I was somewhat Bugged by how after Kickassia was finished, and the general reception to the series (both on TGTWG.com and third-party sites) was 'SoOkayItsAverage', a sizable handful of the major contributors (Linkara, Rob, Spoony, I think FilmBrain made a few comments as well) to TGWTG came out of the woodwork ([[AnalogyBackfire not that they were in the woodwork]]) to the defend the series. Most of the Trope pages here about TGWTG people list them as aversions to the SmallNameBigEgo trope, but it strongly felt to [[Tropers/MisterBibs this troper]] that they were ''seriously'' confused that people weren't singing their praises like they did with the Brawl.
** Well, they put a lot of effort on production, gained approval of Kevin Baugh and had a lot of unexpected problems to solve. Kickassia requested more than Brawl, and not only because Brawl was shorter. I didn’t saw too much of their comments, but it’s understandable that after this whole work they would not at first notice flaws of their product, and that they thought that it would be bigger hit than Brawl, and they want to defend it.
** People who spent a great deal of effort and time on producing something they enjoyed making actually coming out and ''defending'' their own work from criticism? [[SarcasmMode Those rat-bastards!]]
** Besides, they were more calling out the nit picky fans that don't understand just what kind of an achievement filming a movie in four days is.
*** These fans mainly objected to the writing, something that can't be excused by saying "But we had bad lighting!"
** And people thought it was SoOkayItsAverage? ''Really''? So why were the majority of edits over here saying how awesome and epic it was?
*** Because tropers are big TGWTG fans? Don't get me wrong, I loved Kickassia, but between the characterization, Insano's build-up and then [[spoiler:having him get all but curb-stomped and turn back into Spoony for no reason]], Santa Christ's LoveItOrHateIt status, and the rushed ending, it's easy to see why some fans might say "It was kinda funny, but not as much as the Brawl."
*** YMMV. The Brawl ''didn't'' have a rushed feel with one-note characterizations? The ending in fact came from nowhere. Yes, it was funny but still... wait... didn't I delete the Meta Bug [[strike:a few months back]] exactly a month ago for ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike? Seriously! This isn't what FridgeLogic is for. And yes, JustBugsMe is about Fridge Logic. Saying something about the writing inconsistencies or a PlotHole is fine, but this is outright creator bashing!!
*** Yes, but the Brawl wasn't nearly as plot-driven as Kickassia. And the characterization complaint isn't that the characters were one-note, but deviated rather heavily from their normal personae. I'm not saying I agree with this, merely bringing up common arguments and pointing out that just because everyone here loved it doesn't mean there was no one who didn't say negative things about it on the web. (I, personally, prefer Kickassia to the Brawl.)

* There is a ''lot'' of UnpleasableFanbase where people criticise Kickassia for having plot holes, deviations in characters, or just problems in general. I'm not going to deny that it has it, although a lot of the plot holes and character deviations ''were'' intentional as a parody, and a good chunk of the {{Flanderization}} of the characters was intentional. However, can you really blame Doug for writing for ''over twenty different people'' and not knowing all the ins-and-outs of their characters? What really gets me is that a lot of people don't get how much of a huge achievement it was to film a full-length feature movie on a tiny budget, with very limited production costs, in an absolutely ''miniscule'' window of time, with a group of untrained actors. I mean, the entire thing was meant to be a fun celebration of a pretty breakthrough evolution in internet entertainment. And it was good and funny. Considering all the restrictions this project had, it's truly amazing what the cast and crew managed to do. Could it have been better? Hell yes! If they had more money and more time. Most projects this large take ''months'' to do, and they did this in ''days.'' A lot of the contributors on tvtropes.org accept this, and a lot of tropers who have seen and know the work of team TGWTG totally understand and enjoy it for what it is. But elsewhere, there are huge swaths of complaints and non-constructive criticism that nearly drown the work. And this fucking annoys me! It bugs me! And I don't know why! Why!? WHY!? [[{{Angrish}} AUURGHHHLKXN!!!!]]. ... [[GoMadFromTheRevelation I think that's a word.]] //end rant.
** Yes, if only it had been possible to have, I dunno, planned ahead or something. Maybe in a few lifetimes we'll have the technology available for basic planning.
*** It's not like they decided to go do this a week before the anniversary on a whim. The logistics of making this thing happen must have been staggering. That a comedy review website managed to find the money to make a ''full-length movie'' is impressive all on its own. Add to this the fact that the cast was enormous and comes from all across America, as well as a few international members (Benzaie, Film Brain, and Phelous spring to mind, correct me if I'm wrong) all of whom have schedules of their own, and you have a minuscule amount of time to work. This event had to have been planned for months, and I'm sure that every single person whose name is in the opening credits, whether they were on-screen or off, worked their ''asses'' off for the sole purpose of thanking their fans for helping to keep them around for two years. A little bit of gratitude and respect is due to the men and women at ThatGuyWithTheGlasses for doing what many would have called impossible and still making a decently epic and funny story, and instead what they get is snark. Well I say bravo guys. ''Bra. Vo.''
**** Snark over the shitty writing. You don't need everyone in a single place for that
***** I think what OP is getting at is at the very least, (and despite the flaws. I'm not being a {{Lickspittle}} here, of course there were things that could have been better) people could at least appreciate that they got like a ninety minute movie for free with crazy amounts of effort (and copious injuries) put into it.
****** And? You don't get away from criticism just because you sunk money into a project. It was their choice to release the damn thing for free.
****** Yeah, you know what else had a lot of time and effort sunk into it, but ended up being lackluster (or even unwatchable), despite the director's mighty aspirations? {{D-War}}. Cry me a river, unfunny Internet critics.
****** Only, Kickassia was funny and watchable, ass. And no one ever said that you get away from criticism just because you sunk money into a project and chose to release it for free. The person said "unconstructive criticism". Try actually reading what's being posted. Also, you watched it for free. Don't act like it ruined it your life. It didn't.
****** Not acting like it ruined my life - just saying it's incredibly shit writing is in no way justified by its apparently martyred fanbase.
****** Only, the writing wasn't shit. It was on par with anything and everything ele these people have done, and you didn't have to watch it, let alone pay money for it. Thus you have no reason to complain, and if you have to, try to be constructive.
****** Incorrect. Most everything they've done before this was an overwrought review of something. Their attempt at actual storytelling, drama, humor, etc. was like watching a ballet dancer without feet trying to carry Swan Lake by herself.
****** Er, me thinks you took Kickassia too seriously. They didn't try drama. The whole thing was parade of silliness that was never meant to be a serious attempt at storytelling. You were just supposed to sit back and laugh. You are the one who is incorrect here.

* Why didn't the Nostalgia Chick just chloroform N. Bison when he started acting like a dick? She's done it before, it would get him out the way and she could make the others feel like she'd done it for them.

****** Not acting like it ruined my life - just saying it's incredibly shit writing is in no way justified by its apparently martyred fanbase.

****** Only, Kickassia was funny and watchable, ass. And no one ever said that you get away from criticism just because you sunk money into a project and chose to release it for free. The person said "unconstructive criticism". Try actually reading what's being posted. Also, you watched it for free. Don't act like it ruined it your life. It didn't.

****** Yeah, you know what else had a lot of time and effort sunk into it, but ended up being lackluster (or even unwatchable), despite the director's mighty aspirations? {{D-War}}. Cry me a river, unfunny Internet critics.

** In one of the commentaries, (I believe the Phelous/Snob/Benzaie one) He points this out and says they should of cut to him chilling in a hot tub and leaving the rest of them to sort out their mess

****** Yeah, you know what else had a lot of time and effort sunk into it, but ended up being lackluster (or even unwatchable), despite the director's mighty aspirations? [[D-War.]] Cry me a river, unfunny Internet critics.

***** I think what OP is getting at is at the very least, (and despite the flaws. I'm not being a {{Lickspittle}} here, of course there were things that could have been better) people could at least appreciate that they got like a ninety minute movie for free with crazy amounts of effort (and copious injuries) put into it.

**** Snark over the shitty writing. You don't need everyone in a single place for that.

*** It's not like they decided to go do this a week before the anniversary on a whim. The logistics of making this thing happen must have been staggering. That a comedy review website managed to find the money to make a ''full-length movie'' is impressive all on its own. Add to this the fact that the cast was enormous and comes from all across America, as well as a few international members (Benzaie, Film Brain, and Phelous spring to mind, correct me if I'm wrong) all of whom have schedules of their own, and you have a minuscule amount of time to work. This event had to have been planned for months, and I'm sure that every single person whose name is in the opening credits, whether they were on-screen or off, worked their ''asses'' off for the sole purpose of thanking their fans for helping to keep them around for two years. A little bit of gratitude and respect is due to the men and women at ThatGuyWithTheGlasses for doing what many would have called impossible and still making a decently epic and funny story, and instead what they get is snark. Well I say bravo guys. ''Bra. Vo.''

** Yes, if only it had been possible to have, I dunno, planned ahead or something. Maybe in a few lifetimes we'll have the technology available for basic planning.

* There is a ''lot'' of UnpleasableFanbase where people criticise Kickassia for having plot holes, deviations in characters, or just problems in general. I'm not going to deny that it has it, although a lot of the plot holes and character deviations ''were'' intentional as a parody, and a good chunk of the {{Flanderization}} of the characters was intentional. However, can you really blame Doug for writing for ''over twenty different people'' and not knowing all the ins-and-outs of their characters? What really gets me is that a lot of people don't get how much of a huge achievement it was to film a full-length feature movie on a tiny budget, with very limited production costs, in an absolutely ''miniscule'' window of time, with a group of untrained actors. I mean, the entire thing was meant to be a fun celebration of a pretty breakthrough evolution in internet entertainment. And it was good and funny. Considering all the restrictions this project had, it's truly amazing what the cast and crew managed to do. Could it have been better? Hell yes! If they had more money and more time. Most projects this large take ''months'' to do, and they did this in ''days.'' A lot of the contributors on tvtropes.org accept this, and a lot of tropers who have seen and know the work of team TGWTG totally understand and enjoy it for what it is. But elsewhere, there are huge swaths of complaints and non-constructive criticism that nearly drown the work. And this fucking annoys me! It bugs me! And I don't know why! Why!? WHY!? [[{{Angrish}} AUURGHHHLKXN!!!!]]. ... [[GoMadFromTheRevelation I think that's a word.]] //end rant.

* There is a ''lot'' of UnpleasableFanbase where people criticise Kickassia for having plot holes, deviations in characters, or just problems in general. I'm not going to deny that it has it, although a lot of the plot holes and character deviations ''were'' intentional as a parody, and a good chunk of the {{Flanderization}} of the characters was intentional. However, can you really blame Doug for writing for ''over twenty different people'' and not knowing all the ins-and-outs of their characters? What really gets me is that a lot of people don't get how much of a huge achievement it was to film a full-length feature movie on a tiny budget, with very limited production costs, in an absolutely ''miniscule'' window of time, with a group of untrained actors. I mean, the entire thing was meant to be a fun celebration of a pretty breakthrough evolution in internet entertainment. And it was good and funny. Considering all the restrictions this project had, it's truly amazing what the cast and crew managed to do. Could it have been better? Hell yes! If they had more money and more time. Most projects this large take ''months'' to do, and they did this in ''days.'' A lot of the contributors on tvtropes.org accept this, and a lot of tropers who have seen and know the work of team TGWTG totally understand and enjoy it for what it is. But elsewhere, there are huge swaths of complaints and non-constructive criticism that nearly drown the work. And this fucking annoys me! It bugs me! And I don't know why! WHy!? WHY!? [[{{Angrish}} AUURGHHHLKXN!!!!]]. ... [[GoMadFromTheRelevation I think that's a word.]] //end rant.

** Mental adjustment? One of them can check multiple time zones on the same watch?