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* How did Iosef track John to his house? Now, I don't doubt that he could ask around to see if anyone knows the address of that guy who owns the highly visible and distinctive car... but surely anyone who knows that would tip Iosef off to who John is.

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* How did Iosef track John to his house? Now, I don't doubt that he could ask around to see if anyone knows the address of that guy who owns the highly visible and distinctive car... but surely anyone who knows that would tip Iosef off to who John is.is.
** Maybe they had spys or followed him themselves.
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** What world do you live in where two million dollars is a paltry sum of money? Sure, these guys are relatively rich, but neither Marcus nor John live in mansions or have such lifestyles that indicate that they just brush off million-dollar contracts.

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** What world do you live in where two million dollars is a paltry sum of money? Sure, these guys are relatively rich, but neither Marcus nor John live in mansions or have such lifestyles that indicate that they just brush off million-dollar contracts.contracts.
* How did Iosef track John to his house? Now, I don't doubt that he could ask around to see if anyone knows the address of that guy who owns the highly visible and distinctive car... but surely anyone who knows that would tip Iosef off to who John is.

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* When [[spoiler: John faces down Viggo after escaping from the church]], why doesn't Viggo's driver just run John down? Instead he swerves to avoid him and ends up crashing. Did the driver just panic?

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* When [[spoiler: John faces down Viggo after escaping from the church]], church, why doesn't Viggo's driver just run John down? Instead he swerves to avoid him and ends up crashing. Did the driver just panic?



* What happens to Avi after [[spoiler: John's interrogation]]? He presumably isn't in the SUV or John would have killed him there.

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* What happens to Avi after [[spoiler: John's interrogation]]? interrogation? He presumably isn't in the SUV or John would have killed him there.



*** The scene I'm referring to happens after [[spoiler: John is captured and then escapes with Marcus's help, before John kills Iosef]]. Avi is present for [[spoiler: John's interrogation]] and leaves with Viggo, but appears not to be in the SUV.

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*** The scene I'm referring to happens after [[spoiler: John is captured and then escapes with Marcus's help, before John kills Iosef]]. Iosef. Avi is present for [[spoiler: John's interrogation]] interrogation and leaves with Viggo, but appears not to be in the SUV.



** It has been revealed in the sequel [[spoiler: that the marker was not Winston's. He was holding a marker for John that John would cash in. It was someone else's marker that owed John a favor.]]

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** It has been revealed in the sequel [[spoiler: that the marker was not Winston's. He was holding a marker for John that John would cash in. It was someone else's marker that owed John a favor.]]












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** Even more so, despite it not actually appearing so in the movie, Wick's Mustang is implied and mentioned to be a genuine 1969 Boss 429 Mustang, which would be one of only 859 ever built, of which fewer would exist today and of which even fewer would be in an original street car condition (as many were used for racing when they were new.)
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** It has been revealed in the sequel [[spoiler: that the marker was not Winston's. He was holding a marker for John that John would cash in. It was someone elses marker that owed John a favor.]]

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** It has been revealed in the sequel [[spoiler: that the marker was not Winston's. He was holding a marker for John that John would cash in. It was someone elses else's marker that owed John a favor.]]
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** You misunderstand, I think. The one Winston gave him, he holds onto. The one Wick cashes in, he grabs from the library.
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** Actually, it wasn't so much that the guy on the ground was struggling, so much as John wanted to execute him [[DeathGlare without breaking eye contact with Iosef]].
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** During their last confrontation, John puts a bullet in Iosef's leg and strolls on over, after taking out the guards with sniper fire and explosives. John wants to make an impression before the end.

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** During their last confrontation, John puts a bullet in Iosef's leg gut and strolls on over, after taking out the guards with sniper fire and explosives. John wants to make an impression before the end.
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** Its a bad idea to do it in a perfect square, but if they're not standing at perfect 90-degree angles, they won't be in line of fire with each other. We don't see the exact angles at which the four killers are standing at.
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** If anything, it makes the later scene where Viggo kill him even more hypocritical for two reasons. First, he blames Marcus for not killing John despite knowing Marcus and John had a very close relationship. So he's blaming Marcus for the exact thing he's doing (i.e protecting someone close to him). Second, Viggo sold out Iosef to John so he could escape John's wrath, so by his vengeful logic he should first and foremost blame himself for his son's death. Marcus was at best a indirect accomplice.

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** If anything, it makes the later scene where Viggo kill him even more hypocritical for two reasons. First, he blames Marcus for not killing John despite knowing Marcus and John had a very close relationship. So he's blaming Marcus for the exact thing he's doing (i.e protecting someone close to him). Second, Viggo sold out Iosef to John so he could escape John's wrath, so by his vengeful logic he should first and foremost blame himself for his son's death. Marcus was at best a indirect accomplice.accomplice.
** What world do you live in where two million dollars is a paltry sum of money? Sure, these guys are relatively rich, but neither Marcus nor John live in mansions or have such lifestyles that indicate that they just brush off million-dollar contracts.
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** It has been revealed in the sequel [[spoiler: that the marker was not Winston's. He was holding a marker for John that John would cash in. It was someone elses marker that owed John a favor.]]
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**Hollow point rounds are specifically designed to expend all of their energy inside the target. They're used to minimize the potential for over-penetration. It's highly stupid to stand opposite of someone who is shooting a gun at you, but hollow points are at least a plausible explanation for why they didn't end up piercing her body and killing each other.



** If anything, it makes the later scene where Viggo kill hims even more hypocritical for two reasons. First, he blames Marcus for not killing John despite knowing Marcus and John had a very close relationship. So he's blaming Marcus for the exact thing he's doing (i.e protecting someone close to him). Second, Viggo sold out Iosef to John so he could escape John's wrath, so by his vengeful logic he should first and foremost blame himself for his son's death. Marcus was at best a indirect accomplice.

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** If anything, it makes the later scene where Viggo kill hims him even more hypocritical for two reasons. First, he blames Marcus for not killing John despite knowing Marcus and John had a very close relationship. So he's blaming Marcus for the exact thing he's doing (i.e protecting someone close to him). Second, Viggo sold out Iosef to John so he could escape John's wrath, so by his vengeful logic he should first and foremost blame himself for his son's death. Marcus was at best a indirect accomplice.

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** Biggo might have mentioned it casually during some conversations, just never had an extensive conversation about him because he was just a former employee in the end, however good, and Iosef doesn't look like he actually had any role in the organization, he just enjoyed the perks of being Viggo's son. Also, they don't look like they have a very close relationship, so I also guess they don't really talk very much (Viggo's disappointed by his son at the very least).

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** Biggo Viggo might have mentioned it casually during some conversations, just never had an extensive conversation about him because he was just a former employee in the end, however good, and Iosef doesn't look like he actually had any role in the organization, he just enjoyed the perks of being Viggo's son. Also, they don't look like they have a very close relationship, so I also guess they don't really talk very much (Viggo's disappointed by his son at the very least).



** Viggo worked with John for a very long time, enough to know his personality and how he'd react and what his wife meant to him. He knew how John would react because the two men knew each other extremely well.

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** Viggo worked with John for a very long time, enough to know his personality and how he'd react and what his wife meant to him. He knew how John would react because the two men knew each other extremely well. That's why his idea of trying to patch things up with Wick is by sending a 12-hitman squad to his house.



* Why would Viggo only put out a $2 million bounty on John Wick? Viggo offering Marcus that paltry sum to turn on John seems like such an insult. Was there any other outcome other than Marcus having John's back to expect from that? $2 million just seems like so little for seasoned veterans like John and Marcus.

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* Why would Viggo only put out a $2 million bounty on John Wick? Viggo offering Marcus that paltry sum to turn on John seems like such an insult. Was there any other outcome other than Marcus having John's back to expect from that? $2 million just seems like so little for seasoned veterans like John and Marcus.Marcus.
**If anything, it makes the later scene where Viggo kill hims even more hypocritical for two reasons. First, he blames Marcus for not killing John despite knowing Marcus and John had a very close relationship. So he's blaming Marcus for the exact thing he's doing (i.e protecting someone close to him). Second, Viggo sold out Iosef to John so he could escape John's wrath, so by his vengeful logic he should first and foremost blame himself for his son's death. Marcus was at best a indirect accomplice.
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* IMFDB doesn't state which pistols Perkins' executioners are using; probably because it's hard to identify in such a wide shot with dark lighting. But doesn't their arrangement (four corners of a square surrounding her) leave them vulnerable to shooting each other, through her head, unless they're using very low caliber ammunition?

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* IMFDB doesn't state which pistols Perkins' executioners are using; probably because it's hard to identify in such a wide shot with dark lighting. But doesn't their arrangement (four corners of a square surrounding her) leave them vulnerable to shooting each other, through her head, unless they're using very low caliber ammunition?ammunition?

* Why would Viggo only put out a $2 million bounty on John Wick? Viggo offering Marcus that paltry sum to turn on John seems like such an insult. Was there any other outcome other than Marcus having John's back to expect from that? $2 million just seems like so little for seasoned veterans like John and Marcus.
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* If you aren't allowed to try and murder people while inside the hotel and John respects the rules, why didn't Iosef just rent a room and order room service while waiting for dad's mooks to kill Mr. Wick?
** Did you notice how the only currency changing hands in the hotel is the gold coin? If Iosef doesn't have any of those, which are apparently a currency that is exclusive to Wick and his tier of professional killers, then he wouldn't be able to use the services of the hotel even if he knows of the hotel's existence.
*** When Viggo calls John, he pulls a book (ostensibly full of contact info for people like Wick) out of a safe, in which we see a bunch of coins just like the ones Wick has, so Iosef ''does'' have access. Presumably Viggo figured putting his kid in a building full of professional killers who weren't on his payroll was less safe than putting him in a building he owns where every guy with a gun works for him.

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* If you aren't allowed to try and murder people while inside the hotel Continental, and John respects the rules, why didn't Iosef just rent a room and order room service while waiting for dad's mooks to kill Mr. Wick?
** Did you notice how the only currency changing hands in the hotel Continental is the gold coin? If Iosef doesn't have any of those, which are apparently a currency that is exclusive to Wick and his tier of professional killers, then he wouldn't be able to use the services of the hotel even if he knows of the hotel's existence.
*** When Viggo calls John, he pulls a book (ostensibly full of contact info for people like Wick) out of a safe, in which we see a bunch of coins just like the ones Wick has, so Iosef theoretically ''does'' have access. Presumably Viggo figured putting his kid in a building full of professional killers who weren't on his payroll was less safe than putting him in a building he owns where every guy with a gun works for him.



** Even if Iosef did qualify; you think he's smart enough to ''think'' of that? Heck, I'd be surprised if he even knows about the joint, given his ignorance of who Wick is.
** It's also entirely possible that Wick would break the rules to get at Iosef even if it meant his death, so getting a room there would really only serve to let him know where you're sleeping. Not only that, but he'd probably be denied bodyguards to minimize the chance of 'business' and most of the regulars know Wick well enough to either side with him or just stay out of his way.

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** Even if Iosef did qualify; you think he's smart enough to ''think'' of that? Heck, I'd it'd be surprised amazing if he even knows knew about the joint, joint's mere existence, given his ignorance of who Wick is.
** It's also entirely possible that Wick would break the rules to get at Iosef even if it meant his death, so getting a room there would really only serve to let him know where you're sleeping. Not only that, but he'd probably be denied bodyguards to minimize the chance of 'business' and most of the regulars know Wick well enough to either side with him or just stay out of his way.



** Perhaps Winston refused to accomodate him for the same reason Aurelio refused to work on the car - he most certainly doesn't want to cross John or just have him shoot out his hotel.
** This comes up as a plot point int he second film when Santino hides in a Continental hotel to escape John. Its extremely expensive to hide in a Continental hotel for a prolonged period, since you have to pay coins for everything you purchase and every night you stay. Santino has a ton of coins saved up so he can hide out there for a long period, but he's also extremely desperate. Viggo also has a lot of coins stored up but when they run out Iosef is no longer safe, and the moment he leaves John will be waiting for him to do so and will have his location and be ready to attack. Better to hide Iosef somewhere that John can't find him than rely on the temporary lodgings of the Continental.
** Also unlike Santino Viggo can't just wait it out with a pissed off Wick in New York, as he took down his criminal empire while looking for Iosef. leaving his son there would just make Wick more vicious on Viggo and Iosef probably dones't have coins of his own given he didn't know about Wick.

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** Perhaps Winston refused to accomodate accommodate him for the same reason Aurelio refused to work on the car - he car. He most certainly doesn't want to cross John or just have him shoot out his hotel.
** This comes up as a plot point int he in the second film when Santino hides in a the New York Continental hotel to escape John. Its It's extremely expensive to hide in a Continental hotel for a prolonged period, since you have to pay coins for everything you purchase and every night you stay. Santino has a ton of coins saved up so he can hide out there for a long period, but he's also extremely desperate. Viggo also has a lot of coins stored up but when they run out Iosef is no longer safe, and the moment he leaves John will be waiting for him to do so and will have his location and be ready to attack. Better to hide Iosef somewhere that John can't find him than rely on the temporary lodgings of the Continental.
** Also unlike Santino Santino, Viggo can't just wait it out with a pissed off Wick in New York, as he took down his criminal empire while looking for Iosef. leaving Leaving his son there would just make Wick more vicious on Viggo and Iosef probably dones't doesn't have coins of his own given he didn't know about Wick.own.



*** To make matter worse, Iosef unlike Santino has no self control, respect for others and extremely spoiled. During his stay at the Red Circle he was treating his house arrest more like a vacation to Kuril's irritation. All it took was a good looking female assassin to lure him to her room for sex and booze and he would have been dead of an overdose long before Wick got a chance to shoot him dead. Or a fight taken out that goes ''poorly'' for Iosef.

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*** To make matter worse, Iosef unlike Santino has no self control, respect for others and extremely spoiled. During his stay at the Red Circle Circle, he was treating his house arrest more like a vacation to Kuril's irritation. All it took was it'd take would be a good looking female assassin to lure him to her room for sex and booze and he would have been dead of an overdose long before Wick got a chance to shoot him dead. Or a fight taken out that goes ''poorly'' for Iosef.



** Avi, Viggo's lawyer, is killed when John crashes his car onto him sideways, driving his head through the window and probably shattering his entire skeleton. If you're referring to the MookLieutenant he interrogates in the Red Circle, he drowned during the interrogation.

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** Avi, Viggo's lawyer, Avi is killed when John crashes his car onto him sideways, driving his head through the window and probably shattering his entire skeleton. If you're referring to the MookLieutenant he interrogates in the Red Circle, he drowned during the interrogation.



** In the time it would take the guards to think on and realize that the single word John spoke had an American accent, John was already shooting at them.

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** In the time it would take the guards to think on and realize that the single word John spoke had an American accent, was wrong, John was already shooting at them.



** He might have mentioned it casually during some conversations, just never had an extensive conversation about him because he was just a former employee in the end, however good, and Iosef doesn't look like he actually had any role in the organization, he just enjoyed the perks of being Viggo's son. Also, they don't look like they have a very close relationship, so I also guess they don't really talk very much (Viggo's disappointed by his son at the very least).

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** He Biggo might have mentioned it casually during some conversations, just never had an extensive conversation about him because he was just a former employee in the end, however good, and Iosef doesn't look like he actually had any role in the organization, he just enjoyed the perks of being Viggo's son. Also, they don't look like they have a very close relationship, so I also guess they don't really talk very much (Viggo's disappointed by his son at the very least).
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** FaceDeathWithDignity, she can try running but she'll die, and we don't know yet how ruthless the Continental can be if you are excommunicated and have something they can use as leverage.

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** FaceDeathWithDignity, she can try running but she'll die, and we don't know yet how ruthless the Continental can be if you are excommunicated and have something they can use as leverage.leverage.

* IMFDB doesn't state which pistols Perkins' executioners are using; probably because it's hard to identify in such a wide shot with dark lighting. But doesn't their arrangement (four corners of a square surrounding her) leave them vulnerable to shooting each other, through her head, unless they're using very low caliber ammunition?
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** Or maybe he left in a different car on an errand for Viggo.
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** We see multiple people talking with John, telling him how they've never seen him this emotionally demonstrative or this vulnerable. [[CaptainObvious He's emotionally involved in this hunt]], and that, plus his multiple-year retirement seems to throw him off his game enough he didn't immediately pull the trigger. After that, I figure the guy he had pinned to the floor started struggling, by which time Iosef was already in motion.

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** We see multiple people talking with John, telling him how they've never seen him this emotionally demonstrative or this vulnerable. [[CaptainObvious He's emotionally involved in this hunt]], hunt, and that, plus his multiple-year retirement seems to throw him off his game enough he didn't immediately pull the trigger. After that, I figure the guy he had pinned to the floor started struggling, by which time Iosef was already in motion.
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** 1969 Mustangs aren't super common; doubly so as John's is a distinctive grey 1969 Mach 1, which is even rarer than the standard Mustangs of that era.
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***Iosef may have had a minor role in his father's day to day business. When they stole the car, they apparently were heading back from some gang-related business in Atlantic City.
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*** To make matter worse, Iosef unlike Santino has no self control, respect for others and extremely spoiled. During his stay at the Red Circle he was treating his house arrest more like a vacation to Kuril's irritation. All it took was a good looking female assassin to lure him to her room for sex and booze and he would have been dead of an overdose long before Wick got a chance to shoot him dead. Or a fight taken out that goes ''poorly'' for Iosef.
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** I think there's also a bit of translation convention going on here as well; I'd assume most people in the west would be more familiar with the story of Baba Yaga than the actual Russian word for "boogeyman", and just smooshed the two together with an intended "scary mythic creature from legend which is going to fuck you good and proper" connotation. Iosef just translated it as "boogeyman" because translating it literally as "wicked witch" might have inserted an unintended note of bathos into what was clearly supposed to be a very ominous introduction to John Wick's actual HiddenDepths.
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** I think we're perhaps overthinking this a little. Winston presumably cannot overrule the excommunicado, but he ''can'' grant John a simple favour out of personal regard. He's probably not ''supposed'' to, but dash it all, he likes and sympathises with the guy, so despite everything is willing to grant him some small assistance. Besides which, doing so puts John into Winston's personal debt which, given John's skills, could be a very useful thing indeed for Winston.
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* Speaking of Perkins - why even go to the meeting? The source of the phonecall is obvious and her breach of conditions is clear, surely she'd know they wouldn't just want to exchange kind words?

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* Speaking of Perkins - why even go to the meeting? The source of the phonecall is obvious and her breach of conditions is clear, surely she'd know they wouldn't just want to exchange kind words?words?
** FaceDeathWithDignity, she can try running but she'll die, and we don't know yet how ruthless the Continental can be if you are excommunicated and have something they can use as leverage.
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** [[https://youtu.be/CrLxWCxPlXM?t=102 As you can see from this clip]], she uses that part of her jacket to choke John and held it in her teeth so that she'd have ready access once she got into an ideal position.

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** [[https://youtu.be/CrLxWCxPlXM?t=102 As you can see from this clip]], she uses that part of her jacket to choke John and held it in her teeth so that she'd have ready access once she got into an ideal position.position.

* Speaking of Perkins - why even go to the meeting? The source of the phonecall is obvious and her breach of conditions is clear, surely she'd know they wouldn't just want to exchange kind words?
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*** More importantly, there's nothing really keeping John from still killing Iosef in the Continental anyway, much like how he did with Santino in the second film. If Viggo put Iosef there, John wouldn't have given a damn about the rules and still kill him on Continental grounds, just as much as he did with Santino. John had nothing to lose in both films. The only thing that putting Iosef in the Continental would have done was just result in John being able to find him easier. Viggo putting his son at the Continental would have been putting him out in the open, even with the Continental rules in place. John would have still killed Iosef and staying in the Continental would have made him easier to find, rules be damned.
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*** This makes more sense when you consider this fact: John was frightened and helpless when Iosef and his goons attacked him, killed Daisy and then took his car. At that moment, when John had Iosef dead to rights in the basement of the Red Circle, he could have wanted to make sure that Iosef felt the exact same way before taking him out. This would also account why John proceeded to take everyone out at the warehouse before killing Iosef: not only was it for tactical purposes, he wanted Iosef to feel that fright and helplessness he felt before he finally killed him.
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** A third possibility is that it's a marker that Winston owed to Wick, and the reason for the grace period and lack of instant death.
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** Killing someone's dog is a fairly personal attack, especially when you also steal one of their prized possessions. Viggo probably figured that John would take such an affront rather badly even if he didn't know the specific significance of those things.


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** The marker could also be blank, so that John can buy some help if he can find a willing benefactor.
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** Also unlike Santino Viggo can't just wait it out with a pissed off Wick in New York, as he took down his criminal empire while looking for Iosef. leaving his son there would just make Wick more vicious on Viggo and Iosef probably dones't have coins of his own given he didn't know about Wick.
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* Does anyone with hand-to-hand combat training know why Perkins bit the corner of her jacket collar when fighting John in the hotel room? I assume it's to prevent John getting a choke hold on her, but I've never seen it before.

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* Does anyone with hand-to-hand combat training know why Perkins bit the corner of her jacket collar when fighting John in the hotel room? I assume it's to prevent John getting a choke hold on her, but I've never seen it before.before.
** [[https://youtu.be/CrLxWCxPlXM?t=102 As you can see from this clip]], she uses that part of her jacket to choke John and held it in her teeth so that she'd have ready access once she got into an ideal position.

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