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* also, the technology is still steam powered. The most common cause of death for Man-o-Wars (those [[HuskyRusskie Khadorans]] with the PoweredArmor) is "boiled alive by their own armor". Warcaster armour converts steam to magical energy, but without the magical skills to make that work, you're left with a technology base where everything runs on steam. try to build a tank, you'll cook the crew to death, hence why the "tanks" they operate are basically armoured chariots, or self-propelled artillery with the crew on the outside.
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* The ''Oblivion'' sourcebook officially gives us the reason humans got magic the same time as the elven gods vanished: [[spoiler: Thamar sold out the elven gods to the Infernals as part of her pact with them]]. Suffice to say the Retribution was wrong, but probably wouldn’t stop their crusade if they learned this.
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* Tanks already exist in the Iron Kingdoms, in a rather different form. Khador fields the Gun Carriage, which is basically a horse drawn Tank.
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* Tanks already exist in the Iron Kingdoms, in a rather different form. Khador fields the Gun Carriage, which is basically a horse drawn Tank.Tank.
[[WMG: Trollbloods new nation]]
* Does any Iron Kingdom nation does or plan to have diplomatic relations with the
Trollbloods new nation or do they not even know about IT.
[[WMG: Trollbloods new nation]]
* Does any Iron Kingdom nation does or plan to have diplomatic relations with the
Trollbloods new nation or do they not even know about IT.
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* He only wants to take over the world ''because'' he made the other dragons and now wishes he hadn't. Conquering the Iron Kingdoms will make it easier to hunt his kids down.
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[[WMG: Tanks will be invented]]
Nations have rapidly gained technology and easier access to resources such as coal and blasting powder. They already have rockets, muskets, rifles, mortars and cannons from that. Warjack technology has advanced to larger mechs, but also greater reliance on unique Warcasters. In combination with warjack chassis technology they could easily produce early models tanks such as the Ft-17 or Mark 4. Armies of small tanks could easily the hand-made warjacks.
[[WMG: Tanks will be invented]]
Nations have rapidly gained technology and easier access to resources such as coal and blasting powder. They already have rockets, muskets, rifles, mortars and cannons from that. Warjack technology has advanced to larger mechs, but also greater reliance on unique Warcasters. In combination with warjack chassis technology they could easily produce early models tanks such as the Ft-17 or Mark 4. Armies of small tanks could easily the hand-made warjacks.
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** Cremation is opposed by the major world religions because it interferes with the journey to the afterlife. They do, however have priests who can bless the dead to make it significantly harder to raise them or steal their soul, but this can apparently be worked around. Also keep in mind that many of the more inland regions have only recently realized the threat of Cryx. Until recently, no one knew that Cryx had agents inland. The Iron Kingdoms are paying hard for that mistake.
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* In short, TechnologyMarchesOn. These new colossals are ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin: new. They aren't refurbished Colossals, they are brand new machines packed with all the innovations and upgrades 500 years of development can give them; these new Colossals could probably curb stomp and old-style Colossal because of the upgrades; imagine a Panther tank from WWII going up against the modern Leopard II, or a Mustang trying to fight a Warthog.
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[[WMG: Protectorate's logic]]
So the church of Menoth wants to overthrow the government of Cygnar due to them getting annoyed with losing worshipers to Morrow, and they hate having to use technology that comes from Morrow. Shouldn't they learn to be more excepting since it was Morrow's technology that allowed the Orgoth to be repelled, where as everything I've read seems to imply worshipers of Menoth got their asses kicked.
So the church of Menoth wants to overthrow the government of Cygnar due to them getting annoyed with losing worshipers to Morrow, and they hate having to use technology that comes from Morrow. Shouldn't they learn to be more excepting since it was Morrow's technology that allowed the Orgoth to be repelled, where as everything I've read seems to imply worshipers of Menoth got their asses kicked.
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[[WMG: Protectorate's logic]]
SoToruk taking over the church of Menoth world]]
If Toruk wants tooverthrow TakeOverTheWorld, then why didn't he just do if before creating the government of Cygnar due other dragons? Prior to them getting annoyed with losing worshipers to Morrow, and they hate having to use technology that comes from Morrow. Shouldn't they learn to be more excepting since it was Morrow's technology that allowed the Orgoth to be repelled, where as everything I've read seems to imply worshipers of Menoth got their asses kicked.
Iron Kingdoms forming, it seemed like he could just walk right over Immoren without any difficulty.
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If Toruk wants to
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So the church of Menoth wants to overthrow the government of Cygnar due to them getting annoyed with losing worshipers to Morrow, and they hate having to use technology that comes from Morrow. Shouldn't they learn to be more excepting since it was Morrow's technology that allowed the Orgoth to be repelled, where as everything I've read seems to imply worshipers of Menoth got their asses kicked.
So the church of Menoth wants to overthrow the government of Cygnar due to them getting annoyed with losing worshipers to Morrow, and they hate having to use technology that comes from Morrow. Shouldn't they learn to be more excepting since it was Morrow's technology that allowed the Orgoth to be repelled, where as everything I've read seems to imply worshipers of Menoth got their asses kicked.
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**The Retribution does have at least some reason. The time they started losing contact with their gods happen around the same time humans with magic (that wasn't Orgoth or a cleric) started showing up. Everyone agrees Thamar is the one who gave humans the gift of magic...
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** The Retribution does have at least some reason. The time they started lossing contact with their gods happen around the same time humans with magic (that wasn't Orgoth or a cleric) started showing up. Everyone agrees Thamar is the one who gave humans the gift of magic...
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*** The continued escalation of hostilities also plays a factor, marking a rapid buildup in technology to beat the Other Guy(tm). Additionally, the breaking of the Order of the Golden Crucible in Llael's monopoly on blasting powder made it markedly cheaper, and coal and oil dealings have similarly been disrupted and made cheaper by the war. They're using big, wasteful machines because they can afford it now.
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**** The same reason one good fighter can keep a mob at bay. The mob knows they'll win if they rush him, but no one wants to be the guy that gets shanked. Similarly, Toruk's brood is a mob of opportunists. Nobody wants to be the guy that got wounded bringing Dad down, then turns and wonders why everybody's looking at him and getting their eatin' bibs back on.
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*** Though this begs another question, why don't all the other dragons just go kill him so they don't have to worry about him?
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It has been firmly established in canon that the colossals, the predecessors to the modern warjack, stopped being used because of the staggering maintainance maintenance costs and vulnerability to ambush because of their lack of mobility. And yet, they're being brought back in the expansion Colossals. [[RuleOfCool Rule of cool]] aside, what could possibly be the ingame explanation?
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** In addition to the above, the old colossals were essentially giant ironclads/juggernauts. Big robots that hit things with axes and hammers. All of the new colossals mount MASSIVE amounts of ranged firepower. Rough estimates based on what pp have said and the artwork suggest three heavy warjacks worth of guns, minimum.
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* These new Colossals aren't in the same size-category as the old-timey ones, and form a sort of median between them and the modern warjack.
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[[WMG: The return of the Colossals]]
It has been firmly established in canon that the colossals, the predecessors to the modern warjack, stopped being used because of the staggering maintainance costs and vulnerability to ambush because of their lack of mobility. And yet, they're being brought back in the expansion Colossals. [[RuleOfCool Rule of cool]] aside, what could possibly be the ingame explanation?
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**[[RuleOfCool Because it looks cool]] that's why.
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* This is a problem that some of the models have had, especially characters with scenic bases. Sorscha standing on a pillar of ice can be explained by her ice powers, but how did Skarre keep ending up on that broken piece of prow on every battlefield she's set foot on? The pinnacle must be Eyriss, though, who's somehow kneeling on a groundlevel chimney no matter where she is.
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** He could go out and destroy cities and nations if he wanted to, but if he leaves Cryx, his children will gang up on him again, and he would rather use the full might of all the conquered Iron Kingdoms to "soften them up" before he devouers them. As for his children getting impatient, Everblight has already devoured one of the other dragons, so whatever stalemate was going on between the dragons is presumably at an end.
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[[WMG: Why does the model for the Nightmare helljack come with a little girl?]]
I know there's one hiding from it in its artwork, but putting it with the model itself just seems more than a little strange. And on a related note, just who is that little girl, anyway?
[[WMG: Why does the model for the Nightmare helljack come with a little girl?]]
I know there's one hiding from it in its artwork, but putting it with the model itself just seems more than a little strange. And on a related note, just who is that little girl, anyway?
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* Part of the Retribution's token moral grey/gray area is that there is no evidence, while they're aiming to do good (save their dying goddess), being supremacists they assume that problem belongs to the lesser beings that pollute ''their'' lands...
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* Toruk, or rather, the Lich Lords who govern Cryx for him, have agents on the mainland who retrieve choice geniuses after their death. As for cremation, burning a corpse is opposed by the Morrowan and Menite churches. Mind you, in the field, cremating the bodies of the slain is an option that at least one military leader (Major Victoria Haley) openly encourages in case Cryxians are suspected to be nearby.
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