History Headscratchers / IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade

26th Apr '16 10:16:54 PM ritzoreo
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*** Jones could've just lobbied for the university to try and buy the piece anyway. Even if Indy had gotten the Cross of Coronado by force, Panama Hat would only need to send his lawyers to lawfully retrieve it and stick a lawsuit up whatever institution got it from Dr. Jones, probably ruining his academic career along the way. But then again, Panama Hat just had to catch Indy infraganti [[VillainBall and throw him overboard]], didn't he?
23rd Apr '16 8:33:30 PM SSJMagus
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* Donovan is pretty bold when explaining he intends to betray Hitler and keep the Grail for himself. At least one of the German soldiers present speaks English ("Helmut, another volunteer.") and yet he faces no reprisal? Or did he bribe the Germans or something? Or just the one who spoke English?

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* Donovan is pretty bold when explaining he intends to betray Hitler and keep the Grail for himself. At least one of the German soldiers present speaks English ("Helmut, another volunteer.") and yet he faces no reprisal? Or did he bribe the Germans or something? Or just the one who spoke English?English?
** Maybe they just intend to shoot Donovan once the Grail was retrieved and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness he was no longer useful]]. Or perhaps just take it from him at gunpoint if he declined to hand it over on his own.
23rd Apr '16 8:26:43 PM SSJMagus
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*** Historically, Hitler was showing profound symptoms of some kind of degenerative neurological disease before his suicide. He may have noticed the early symptoms years before that, which would make him likely to seek an object that carried the promise of healing any injury and curing any illness.

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*** Historically, Hitler was showing profound symptoms of some kind of degenerative neurological disease before his suicide. He may have noticed the early symptoms years before that, which would make him likely to seek an object that carried the promise of healing any injury and curing any illness. [[FridgeHorror The particularly frightening thing is]], if Hitler had been given a magical cure in 1938, he might have been a lot more competent during the war instead of being increasingly inclined toward StupidEvil.



** Who says it was the Nazis who built the secret passages in the castle? Could easily be that they just discovered that this castle had hidden chambers and decided it would be a good location for a secret facility.



*** "He doesn't have proof that God exists. He has evidence that there's a mystical force out there." ...A mystical force that is sentient, responds to Hebrew prayer, inhabits a Hebrew religious artifact, and has been worshipped for generations by the Jewish and Christian people as their God. It's God. It may not be ''your'' god, but it is the entity Jews and Christians consider to be ''their'' god.

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*** "He doesn't have proof that God exists. He has evidence that there's a mystical force out there." ...A mystical force that is sentient, responds to Hebrew prayer, inhabits a Hebrew religious artifact, and has been worshipped worshiped for generations by the Jewish and Christian people as their God. It's God. It may not be ''your'' god, but it is the entity Jews and Christians consider to be ''their'' god.


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*** That still doesn't mean that proof of God as described in the Tanakh/Old Testament translates to proof of the New Testament also being accurate. It's entirely possible to believe one is correct and not the other; millions of Jews do that every day. And the Holy Grail, even it really is a genuine Christian artifact rather than an adapted pagan concept, is still nowhere near as strongly linked to God as the Ark of the Covenant. Yes, (if real) it once carried Christ's blood. But so did the Crown of Thorns and the Spear of Destiny. And the lashes used on Jesus during the Passion. And anything He might have bled on while working as a carpenter. The Ark of the Covenant, on the hand, contains objects ''brought down directly from Heaven by God''. If there's ''any'' artifact that would be imbued with God's power, it would be the Ark.
19th Apr '16 10:58:27 PM Luppercus
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*** In what part of the movie does the Ark responded to Hebrew prayer? If is a reference to the ritual made by Belloq, then the opposite happened and the Ark killed the ritualists. All he know is that there is some sort of unknown energy or force that may as well be an EldritchAbomination that was somehow put in the Ark or connected to it and the ancient Hebrews thought it was their God. That said, it is truth what the above troper said, Indy doesn’t seem to be Agnostic, he seems to be non-denominational theist, so is logic that he is skeptical of medieval myths like the Grail.

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*** In what part of the movie does the Ark responded to Hebrew prayer? If is a reference to the ritual made by Belloq, then the opposite happened and the Ark killed the ritualists. All he know knows is that there is some sort of unknown energy or force that may as well be an EldritchAbomination that was somehow put in the Ark or connected to it and the ancient Hebrews thought it was their God. That said, it is truth what the above troper said, Indy doesn’t seem to be Agnostic, he seems to be non-denominational theist, so is logic that he is skeptical of medieval myths like the Grail.
19th Apr '16 10:57:57 PM Luppercus
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****In what part of the movie does the Ark responded to Hebrew prayer? If is a reference to the ritual made by Belloq, then the opposite happened and the Ark killed the ritualists. All he know is that there is some sort of unknown energy or force that may as well be an EldritchAbomination that was somehow put in the Ark or connected to it and the ancient Hebrews thought it was their God. That said, it is truth what the above troper said, Indy doesn’t seem to be Agnostic, he seems to be non-denominational theist, so is logic that he is skeptical of medieval myths like the Grail.
6th Apr '16 9:35:02 PM lorgskyegon
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** Indy has his ''mother's'' accent. She's an American.
6th Apr '16 9:29:54 PM lorgskyegon
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**** And the family who lived in that castle wouldn't want any anti-Nazi Austrians to find out how deep they were in with Hitler's regime.
24th Feb '16 5:20:36 AM Kooshmeister
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** A few show up in the {{Novelization}} briefly.
24th Feb '16 5:18:52 AM Kooshmeister
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** In the first case, he's a kid. Impulsive. ill-thought out decisions based on flimsy reasoning aren't an exactly unheard of phenomenon when it comes to kids. Note that the whole sequence ends with the cops basically showing up to take it off him and give it back to the 'rightful' owner. As for the second question, this is what NoodleIncident is for. There is clearly a long history of enmity between Indiana and Panama Hat. The fact that Panama Hat's first instinct on seeing Indy is to throw him overboard in a storm (i.e. murder our hero) suggests that he's not a particularly ethical or nice person. As for why Indiana believes it belongs in a museum, he's a professional archaeologist who works at a university and with a museum; rightly or wrongly, his whole profession and character suggests that he believes that historical relics should be made accessible to the people and for the benefit of all rather than cloistered away in someone's private collection. That's all we need to know.

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** In the first case, he's a kid. Impulsive. ill-thought out decisions based on flimsy reasoning aren't an exactly unheard of phenomenon when it comes to kids. Note that the whole sequence ends with the cops basically showing up to take it off him and give it back to the 'rightful' owner. As for the second question, this is what NoodleIncident is for. There is clearly a long history of enmity between Indiana and Panama Hat. The fact that Panama Hat's first instinct on seeing Indy is to throw him overboard in a storm (i.e. murder our hero) suggests that he's not a particularly ethical or nice person. As for why Indiana believes it belongs in a museum, he's a professional archaeologist who works at a university and with a museum; rightly or wrongly, his whole profession and character suggests that he believes that historical relics should be made accessible to the people and for the benefit of all rather than cloistered away in someone's private collection. That's all we need to know.know.
* Donovan is pretty bold when explaining he intends to betray Hitler and keep the Grail for himself. At least one of the German soldiers present speaks English ("Helmut, another volunteer.") and yet he faces no reprisal? Or did he bribe the Germans or something? Or just the one who spoke English?
14th Dec '15 3:03:53 PM Lightning4119
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** Even if Indy believes that the Grail is real, that the trail they have to find the Grail is real, or that the Grail might still be where the trail says it is, he still has an overriding reason to show no interest until Donovan dangles his father's disappearance before him. The last time he got involved with that, he almost died and quite a few other people (not counting the Nazis and Belloq) either died or almost died. And then, after that, the government locked the artifact away and told him to buzz off because their "Top. Men." were going to handle it. He's got plenty of reason to pretend to not believe in the Grail, even if he does think it's real.
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