History Headscratchers / IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade

23rd Sep '17 11:12:50 PM Lightning4119
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** I think the implication is that the adventure in this film to retrieve the Grail is the metaphorical "Last Crusade," not any of the historical crusades.

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** I think the implication is that the adventure in this film to retrieve the Grail is the metaphorical "Last Crusade," not any of the historical crusades.crusades.
* The boat chase. Why exactly were those boats being pushed together by that tug that squashed that boat chasing Indy and Elsa? That seems like a good way to damage all three boats (the two ships and the tug).
22nd Sep '17 12:31:52 AM Lightning4119
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** Target fixation? He may have been so focused on getting Indy in his gunsights that he stopped paying attention to flying the airplane. It wouldn't be the first time a pilot got killed by that.
17th Sep '17 6:33:44 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** To be fair, he's about as well-adjusted as you'd expect of a man who's lived in self-imposed exile in a cave for any number of centuries to be. He's not exactly normal by mid-twentieth century standards, true, but he's coherent, fairly aware of his surroundings and those in them, and capable of rational thought and conversation.
4th Sep '17 4:29:13 PM LongLiveHumour
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* Speaking of planes, why the smeg did that one chase them into the mountain? Mountains are generally pretty hard to miss (metaphorically speaking) and avoiding obstacles ranks pretty high in the priorities of a fighter, I should think; but no, he speeds round a corner at ground level, so focused on the chase that he apparently forgets he's ''flying an aeroplane''. Why on Earth couldn't he just pull away and then strafe the car when the terrain got less dangerous?
24th Aug '17 8:54:01 AM DoctorNemesis
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** It also might not have worked. Indy not drinking from the cup himself but forcing someone else to take that risk instead suggests a lack of faith and penitence, and that's possibly not the kind of thing that a religious object imbued with mystical power belonging to a faith that demands faith and penitence is going to respond well to. In other words, the Grail might have demanded that Indy demonstrate enough belief in it in order to work, and the best way to demonstrate belief in it would be to try it yourself.

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** It also might not have worked. Indy not drinking from the cup himself but forcing someone else to take that risk instead suggests a lack of faith and penitence, on his part, and that's possibly probably not the kind of thing that a mystically-imbued religious object imbued with mystical power belonging to a faith religion that demands faith and penitence is going to respond well to. In other words, the power infusing the Grail might have demanded that Indy demonstrate enough belief in it in order to work, and the best way to demonstrate belief in it under the circumstances would be to try it yourself.
24th Aug '17 8:52:30 AM DoctorNemesis
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** It also might not have worked. Indy not drinking from the cup himself but forcing someone else to take that risk instead suggests a lack of faith and penitence, and that's possibly not the kind of thing that a religious object imbued with mystical power belonging to a faith that demands faith and penitence is going to respond well to. In other words, the Grail might have demanded that Indy demonstrate enough belief in it in order to work, and the best way to demonstrate belief in it would be to try it yourself.
24th Aug '17 8:41:13 AM DoctorNemesis
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** Note also that when the Knight stumbles, Indy instinctively reaches out and grabs him in order to help him regain his balance. In doing so, in a way he technically 'overpowered' the Knight.



** For what it's worth, Hitler himself didn't really buy into the supernatural and {{Ghostapo}} stuff as much as later reputations and depictions would suggest; It was actually Himmler and his cronies at the SS who were more obsessed with all the Wagnerian / Arthurian / mystical legends of destiny stuff. Hitler was mainly only interested in it as much as it helped his propaganda effort. So chances are Hitler didn't personally buy into the mystical properties of the Grail and was only interested in having something he could use to further the myth of the glorious Thousand-Year Reich he was trying to build.

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** For what it's worth, Hitler himself didn't really buy into the supernatural and {{Ghostapo}} stuff as much as later reputations and depictions would suggest; It was actually Himmler and his cronies at the SS who were more obsessed with all the Wagnerian / Arthurian / mystical legends of destiny stuff. Hitler was mainly only interested in it as much as it helped his propaganda effort. So chances are Hitler didn't personally buy into the mystical properties of the Grail and was only interested in having something he could use to further the myth of the glorious Thousand-Year Reich he was trying to build. This may also have been what Donovan was alluding to; Hitler doesn't truly believe in the Grail, he's just using it as a weapon, and so he isn't going to really benefit from it in the same way that Donovan, who does truly believe, will benefit.
24th Aug '17 8:27:50 AM DoctorNemesis
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** Considering that Wales and Scotland are separated from each other by what is -- even at their most distant points -- no more than a few hundred miles of land and have for more than three centuries been part of the same political entity (and even before then have had many close links), it's hardly a huge stretch to imagine that the name 'Jones' might have moved to Scotland in such a fashion at some point in the Jones family's lineage.

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** Considering that Wales and Scotland are separated from each other by what is -- even at their most distant points -- no more than a few hundred miles of land and have for more than three centuries been part of the same political entity (and even before then have had many close links), it's hardly a huge stretch to imagine that the name 'Jones' might have moved to Scotland in such a fashion at some point in the Jones family's lineage. Especially considering that 'Jones' is one of the most common family names in the United Kingdom.
24th Aug '17 8:25:09 AM DoctorNemesis
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24th Aug '17 8:22:06 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** Fair enough, but in that case switch the objection to "the movie getting derailed by having Indy and the Knight speak a dead language top each other requiring subtitles for the audience to understand it just to make the minority of the audience who care about the Knight speaking Old English slightly happy". Either way, you risk annoying a large portion of the audience who can't understand what's being said in favour of satisfying a slightly pedantic minority who might.

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*** Fair enough, but in that case switch the objection to "the movie getting derailed by having Indy and the Knight speak a dead language top to each other requiring subtitles for almost all of the audience to understand it just solely to make the minority of the audience who care about the Knight speaking Old English slightly happy". Either way, you risk annoying a large portion of the audience who can't understand what's being said in favour of satisfying a slightly pedantic minority who might.
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