History Headscratchers / IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade

6th Apr '17 7:02:51 PM Lightning4119
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*** Indy's always been [[IndyPloy a short-term planner]] even as a kid, but let's be honest - what are the odds that those guys had the permits to be digging in that area? Indy's later insistence on putting the Cross in a museum ties right into the historical context - the lion's share of 1920s and 1930s archaeology was "find a shiny thing, take it back home, put it on display in a museum someplace." It's why British museums are filled with Egyptian artifacts. Lack of regard for logic or who the proper owner of something is isn't exactly new, either - Indy ignores the booby traps in Raiders (something that archaeologists these days would kill to examine) in favor of the shiny idol.
31st Mar '17 3:55:52 PM costanton11
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** Plus if he gave his father the wrong Grail, then his father would have died a gruesome death like Donovan. The fact that he was near death anyway wouldn't change the fact that, in that scenario, he would of died because Indy gave him the wrong Grail. Plus, it meant that Henry would have been led to believe that he finally saw what he spent so many years looking for, only to have that hoped dashed with a terrifying death. In that case, Indy would probably to be willing to risk his life than live with the guilt.
31st Mar '17 3:39:12 PM costanton11
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* There were a ''lot'' of Crusades, and while I know this isn't ''super'' important to the plot of the film, which one, for our purposes, is the ''last'' crusade?

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* There were a ''lot'' of Crusades, and while I know this isn't ''super'' important to the plot of the film, which one, for our purposes, is the ''last'' crusade?crusade?
** I think the implication is that the adventure in this film to retrieve the Grail is the metaphorical "Last Crusade," not any of the historical crusades.
30th Mar '17 7:10:44 PM Rotide
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** Maybe they just intend to shoot Donovan once the Grail was retrieved and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness he was no longer useful]]. Or perhaps just take it from him at gunpoint if he declined to hand it over on his own.

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** Maybe they just intend to shoot Donovan once the Grail was retrieved and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness he was no longer useful]]. Or perhaps just take it from him at gunpoint if he declined to hand it over on his own.own.
* There were a ''lot'' of Crusades, and while I know this isn't ''super'' important to the plot of the film, which one, for our purposes, is the ''last'' crusade?
29th Mar '17 7:07:06 AM DoctorNemesis
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** I think we gotta chalk this up to some FateWorseThanDeath shenanigans going on here. Even when he was decayed away, he probably wasn't exactly ''dead'', if you catch my drift.



*** Fair enough, but in that case switch the objection to "the movie getting derailed by having Indy and the Knight speak a dead language top each other requiring subtitles for the audience to understand it just to make the minority of the audience who care about the Knight speaking Old English slightly happy". Either way, you risk annoying a large portion of the audience who can't understand what's being said in favour of satisfying a slightly pedantic minority who might.



** I mean, the guy ''is'' the guardian of the sacred cup used by the Son of God at his final meal and which grants eternal life. One presumes that if The Big Guy Upstairs feels it's worthy of having a guard posted to watch over it forever, then He's capable of fixing things so that said guard doesn't completely lose his mind over however long he's on guard duty for. Presumably drinking from the Grail heals mental decay as well as physical decay.



** For what it's worth, Hitler himself didn't buy into the supernatural and {{Ghostapo}} stuff as much as later reputations and depictions would suggest; It was actually Himmler and his cronies at the SS who were more obsessed with all the Wagnerian / Arthurian / mystical legends of destiny stuff. Hitler himself was mainly only interested in it as much as it helped his propaganda effort. So chances are Hitler himself didn't buy into the mystical properties of the Grail and was only interested in having something he could use to further the myth of the glorious Thousand-Year Reich he was trying to build.

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** For what it's worth, Hitler himself didn't really buy into the supernatural and {{Ghostapo}} stuff as much as later reputations and depictions would suggest; It was actually Himmler and his cronies at the SS who were more obsessed with all the Wagnerian / Arthurian / mystical legends of destiny stuff. Hitler himself was mainly only interested in it as much as it helped his propaganda effort. So chances are Hitler himself didn't personally buy into the mystical properties of the Grail and was only interested in having something he could use to further the myth of the glorious Thousand-Year Reich he was trying to build.



*** They seemed perfectly willing to murder Indiana Jone and Elsa back in Venice. More probably, they reasoned that killing Donovan would have made a negligable difference- the Nazis had a ''battalion'' with them-, but they still had to take a shot at it. They were hopelessly outmatched, but they still had to ''try'' because this was their best and last chance.

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*** They seemed perfectly willing to murder Indiana Jone Jones and Elsa back in Venice. More probably, they reasoned that killing Donovan would have made a negligable difference- the Nazis had a ''battalion'' with them-, but they still had to take a shot at it. They were hopelessly outmatched, but they still had to ''try'' because this was their best and last chance.



* This is a thing which I actually like in the Last Crusade, but it always kinda bugs me in a funny way. The movie is set in 1938, and it seems by the weather and surroundings that it is summer in Austria, when they infiltrate that castle. Austria was annexed by Germany in march of 1938. So why is there a cartoonish secret planning facility and base hidden in the castle? Who are theyu hiding it from and why. They could easily have an open garrison there, or have such facilities in Vienna or anywhere. Its just so funny that ThoseWackyNazis just want to have hidden lairs even if they don't have any need for them.

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* This is a thing which I actually like in the Last Crusade, but it always kinda bugs me in a funny way. The movie is set in 1938, and it seems by the weather and surroundings that it is summer in Austria, when they infiltrate that castle. Austria was annexed by Germany in march of 1938. So why is there a cartoonish secret planning facility and base hidden in the castle? Who are theyu they hiding it from and why. They could easily have an open garrison there, or have such facilities in Vienna or anywhere. Its just so funny that ThoseWackyNazis just want to have hidden lairs even if they don't have any need for them.



*** Christianity is based heavily on Judaism, and one of Judaism's teachings is that there isn't a "Jewish god" and "Christain god", just God.

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*** Christianity is based heavily on Judaism, and one of Judaism's teachings is that there isn't a "Jewish god" and "Christain "Christian god", just God.



** If he knows that Elsa's a spy working for the Nazis, then presumably she already knows where Henry Sr. is, so telling them both can't make a difference anyway. Besides which, if Indy takes her to help rescue his dad, then she's not going after the Grail, and the agent would much rather than they were both distracted by going to rescue Indy's dad than going after the Grail.



** In the first case, he's a kid. Impulsive. ill-thought out decisions based on flimsy reasoning aren't an exactly unheard of phenomenon when it comes to kids. Note that the whole sequence ends with the cops basically showing up to take it off him and give it back to the 'rightful' owner. As for the second question, this is what NoodleIncident is for. There is clearly a long history of enmity between Indiana and Panama Hat. The fact that Panama Hat's first instinct on seeing Indy is to throw him overboard in a storm (i.e. murder our hero) suggests that he's not a particularly ethical or nice person. As for why Indiana believes it belongs in a museum, he's a professional archaeologist who works at a university and with a museum; rightly or wrongly, his whole profession and character suggests that he believes that historical relics should be made accessible to the people and for the benefit of all rather than cloistered away in someone's private collection. That's all we need to know.

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** In the first case, he's a kid. Impulsive. ill-thought out decisions based on flimsy reasoning aren't an exactly unheard of phenomenon when it comes to kids. Note that the whole sequence ends with the cops basically showing up to take it off him and give it back to the 'rightful' owner. As for the second question, this is what NoodleIncident is for. There is clearly a long history of enmity between Indiana and Panama Hat. The fact that Panama Hat's first instinct on seeing Indy is to throw him overboard in a storm (i.e. murder our hero) suggests that he's not a particularly ethical or nice person. As for why Indiana believes it belongs in a museum, he's a professional archaeologist who works at a university and with a museum; rightly or wrongly, his whole ''whole profession and character character'' suggests that he believes that historical relics should be made accessible to the people and available for the enjoyment and benefit of all rather than cloistered away in someone's private collection. That's all we need to know.


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*** He could have, but then, that wouldn't have made a particularly exciting scene in an Indiana Jones movie, so...
14th Jan '17 10:20:01 AM nombretomado
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** The LucasArts Adventure game even leaves you with multiple choices what to do with the Grail. If Elsa takes it she falls down the chasm, but then you can still recover the Grail with your whip!... why didn't Movie Indy think of that?

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** The LucasArts Creator/LucasArts Adventure game even leaves you with multiple choices what to do with the Grail. If Elsa takes it she falls down the chasm, but then you can still recover the Grail with your whip!... why didn't Movie Indy think of that?
6th Dec '16 4:49:19 PM heartofthemoon
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** Brody's confusion is a LampshadeHanging of Indy's PlotArmor. There is no way he could have survived that. It doesn't make sense. But he's Indiana Jones, so...
15th Oct '16 10:47:39 PM AlexHarvey
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*** Not a battalion. Maybe a company - a battalion is ~1000 men.
15th Oct '16 10:45:40 PM AlexHarvey
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*** They were absolutely not socialists in any sense of the word. That's an absurdly historically ignorant statement.
26th Apr '16 10:16:54 PM ritzoreo
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*** Jones could've just lobbied for the university to try and buy the piece anyway. Even if Indy had gotten the Cross of Coronado by force, Panama Hat would only need to send his lawyers to lawfully retrieve it and stick a lawsuit up whatever institution got it from Dr. Jones, probably ruining his academic career along the way. But then again, Panama Hat just had to catch Indy infraganti [[VillainBall and throw him overboard]], didn't he?
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