History Headscratchers / HouseOfM

28th Dec '15 2:54:56 PM Anddrix
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**** Mutants tend to have much more varied set of powers, plus a greater chance of developing powers that are considered especially dangerous or invasive, like telepathy or reality warping. They are a much more random factor too, being simply born with said powers, whereas even if ComicBook/SpiderGirl is she can at least trace her lineage back to her fathers lab accident, something rarer and thus smewhat more manageable. The prejudice arises partly from the sense that mutants are somehow supposed to "replace" humanity in a cliched` Darwinist sense, something that many mutants believe. The place of normal superhumans in the Marvel world is actually mostly ambiguous; in ''House of M'' Spider-Man would probably be thought of as having "cheated" to get his gifts (not to mention he posed as a mutant), on the other hand DoctorDoom explicitly did and yet manages to still be one of the most powerful mutants in the world. Not to mention most of the extremist anti-Mutant groups aren't exactly on friendly terms with normal superhumans either, plus the majority of normal superhumans are super''villains'' and so aren't really trusted anyway (for that matter, neither is Spider-Man or a few other ''heroes''.

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**** Mutants tend to have much more varied set of powers, plus a greater chance of developing powers that are considered especially dangerous or invasive, like telepathy or reality warping. They are a much more random factor too, being simply born with said powers, whereas even if ComicBook/SpiderGirl is she can at least trace her lineage back to her fathers lab accident, something rarer and thus smewhat more manageable. The prejudice arises partly from the sense that mutants are somehow supposed to "replace" humanity in a cliched` Darwinist sense, something that many mutants believe. The place of normal superhumans in the Marvel world is actually mostly ambiguous; in ''House of M'' Spider-Man would probably be thought of as having "cheated" to get his gifts (not to mention he posed as a mutant), on the other hand DoctorDoom Doctor Doom explicitly did and yet manages to still be one of the most powerful mutants in the world. Not to mention most of the extremist anti-Mutant groups aren't exactly on friendly terms with normal superhumans either, plus the majority of normal superhumans are super''villains'' and so aren't really trusted anyway (for that matter, neither is Spider-Man or a few other ''heroes''.
9th Aug '15 6:14:25 AM Whiplasherman
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**Indeed! In the "House of M" the other heroes came up to him with his family on a New York street and rebooted his memory. He was so traumatized by the transition that he ran away from all of them and had to be talked down by Wolverine, for cripes sake. And it doesn't look like he ever went back to his family, he seemed to be so horrified that it's hard to imagine him doing so, much less the 'happy ever after' conclusion of "House of M:Spider-Man" narrative. There must have been a major disconnect by the editor, since they also have him shaving his head BALD in "HOM:S-M" on the first day they got there, but his hair was normal length when the heroes encountered him. No, I can't imagine that a world renowned actor/billionaire/businessman/celebrity and his equally publicized family could slip back into New York and wander the streets given the level of notoriety he had at the end of the story.
1st Jun '15 7:12:35 AM RookEncounte
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* Why did the characters feel that 616 as it was was worth going back to/saving? They all had degrees of {{Heroic BSOD}} when Layla shows them their 616 lives, so why did they want to "fix" reality?
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12th May '15 8:31:06 AM StFan
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**** Mutants tend to have much more varied set of powers, plus a greater chance of developing powers that are considered especially dangerous or invasive, like telepathy or reality warping. They are a much more random factor too, being simply born with said powers, whereas even if SpiderGirl is she can at least trace her lineage back to her fathers lab accident, something rarer and thus smewhat more manageable. The prejudice arises partly from the sense that mutants are somehow supposed to "replace" humanity in a cliched` Darwinist sense, something that many mutants believe. The place of normal superhumans in the Marvel world is actually mostly ambiguous; in ''House of M'' Spiderman would probably be thought of as having "cheated" to get his gifts (not to mention he posed as a mutant), on the other hand DoctorDoom explicitly did and yet manages to still be one of the most powerful mutants in the world. Not to mention most of the extremist anti-Mutant groups aren't exactly on friendly terms with normal superhumans either, plus the majority of normal superhumans are super''villains'' and so aren't really trusted anyway (for that matter, neither is {{Spiderman}} or a few other ''heroes''.

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**** Mutants tend to have much more varied set of powers, plus a greater chance of developing powers that are considered especially dangerous or invasive, like telepathy or reality warping. They are a much more random factor too, being simply born with said powers, whereas even if SpiderGirl ComicBook/SpiderGirl is she can at least trace her lineage back to her fathers lab accident, something rarer and thus smewhat more manageable. The prejudice arises partly from the sense that mutants are somehow supposed to "replace" humanity in a cliched` Darwinist sense, something that many mutants believe. The place of normal superhumans in the Marvel world is actually mostly ambiguous; in ''House of M'' Spiderman Spider-Man would probably be thought of as having "cheated" to get his gifts (not to mention he posed as a mutant), on the other hand DoctorDoom explicitly did and yet manages to still be one of the most powerful mutants in the world. Not to mention most of the extremist anti-Mutant groups aren't exactly on friendly terms with normal superhumans either, plus the majority of normal superhumans are super''villains'' and so aren't really trusted anyway (for that matter, neither is {{Spiderman}} Spider-Man or a few other ''heroes''.
22nd Mar '15 8:09:22 AM bogslug
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*** It means that people who are only passively mutants don't count in the 616 numbers. In House of M continuity, they became active mutants through technology germane to that universe, hence the rapid increase in numbers. There's also a chance people considered 'supers' or 'mutates' in 616 managed to 'pass' as mutants to receive the social perks; or people considered mutants in 616 are passing as non-mutants to avoid the social stigma.

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*** It means that people who are only passively mutants don't count in the 616 numbers. In House of M continuity, they became active mutants through technology germane to that universe, hence the rapid increase in numbers. There's also a chance people considered 'supers' or 'mutates' in 616 managed to 'pass' as mutants to receive the social perks; or people considered mutants in 616 are passing as non-mutants to avoid the social stigma. stigma.
**** Hey, 16 million mutants died when Cassandra Nova destroyed Genosha.
1st Jan '14 4:27:58 AM Zark
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** She made a cameo appearance as a school teacher.

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** She made a cameo appearance as a school teacher.teacher.
* How does ''House of M: Spider-Man'' fit into the rest of the plot? After the 1st issue it seems to go straight into 'What if the world never was reverted back' type of story.
1st Jan '14 4:20:42 AM Zark
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** Mutants keep getting used as a metaphor for real-life minorities (even though nowadays they could just skip the middleman) no matter how little sense it makes. X-Men comics are more about symbolism then realism this way. Realistically, mutants with dangerous powers would be feared the same way people with weapons are feared and mutants with visible mutations would be treated the same way people with physical deformities are treated. Since two ''ordinary'' humans can give birth to a mutant, there are no reason whatsover to consider them a different species.
7th Dec '13 3:18:37 PM OmarKarindu
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** It's worth noting that the Vision was not originally an android, but a fully functioning synthetic human just like his predecessor/alternate self, the Golden Age Human Torch; that's why the older stories use the InsistentTerminology "synthezoid."
25th Jul '13 12:08:36 PM Therapsid
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* Where was Jean Grey during all of this?

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* Where was Jean Grey during all of this?this?
** She made a cameo appearance as a school teacher.
19th Apr '13 5:18:43 AM Soulreaverdan
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* Why did Xavier say that Wanda couldn't have kids? The only 'person' she's ever been with in a serious relationship is the Vision and he's an android which means he doesn't have regular genitalia.

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* Why did Xavier say that Wanda couldn't have kids? The only 'person' she's ever been with in a serious relationship is the Vision and he's an android which means he doesn't have regular genitalia.genitalia.
*Where was Jean Grey during all of this?
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