History Headscratchers / HouseOfM

19th Nov '16 12:47:28 AM Ymirsdaughter
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*** Imagine if RealLife neo-nazis declared that people who had blue eyes due to a mutation in the EYCL2 gene were members of the master race, but those whose blue eyes were the result of a change at EYCL3 were mud-people just like the rest of the brown-eyed masses. That is exactly how much sense the House of M (and Marvel comics in general) makes in regard to mutants vs. non-mutant supers.

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*** Imagine if RealLife neo-nazis declared that people who had blue eyes due to a mutation in the EYCL2 [=EYCL2=] gene were members of the master race, but those whose blue eyes were the result of a change at EYCL3 [=EYCL3=] were mud-people just like the rest of the brown-eyed masses. That is exactly how much sense the House of M (and Marvel comics in general) makes in regard to mutants vs. non-mutant supers.
19th Nov '16 12:39:25 AM Ymirsdaughter
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*** Wanda changed the world to suit her would-be executors' desires and ambitions; she didn't change human nature.
19th Nov '16 12:03:36 AM Ymirsdaughter
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** It is established in New X-men, around the time we first meet Xorn (let's not get into that) that at least China screens babies and offs those with mutant potential. In a timeline ruled by Magneto and similarly mutant-positive leaders, such would not be the case ([[FridgHorror but maybe the converse would be]]). That would tend to up the mutant count, especially if you add in the fact that without the lingering responsibility of being part of a military unit that "protects a world that fears and hates them", mutants would be free to start families and raise as many children as they liked.
23rd Sep '16 10:34:47 PM KaiYves
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** It's set in the 2000s, but Magneto has ruled the world since the 70s.



** Indeed! In the "House of M" the other heroes came up to him with his family on a New York street and rebooted his memory. He was so traumatized by the transition that he ran away from all of them and had to be talked down by Wolverine, for cripes sake. And it doesn't look like he ever went back to his family, he seemed to be so horrified that it's hard to imagine him doing so, much less the 'happy ever after' conclusion of "House of M:Spider-Man" narrative. There must have been a major disconnect by the editor, since they also have him shaving his head BALD in "HOM:S-M" on the first day they got there, but his hair was normal length when the heroes encountered him. No, I can't imagine that a world renowned actor/billionaire/businessman/celebrity and his equally publicized family could slip back into New York and wander the streets given the level of notoriety he had at the end of the story.

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** Indeed! In the "House of M" the other heroes came up to him with his family on a New York street and rebooted his memory. He was so traumatized by the transition that he ran away from all of them and had to be talked down by Wolverine, for cripes sake. And it doesn't look like he ever went back to his family, he seemed to be so horrified that it's hard to imagine him doing so, much less the 'happy ever after' conclusion of "House of M:Spider-Man" narrative. There must have been a major disconnect by the editor, since they also have him shaving his head BALD in "HOM:S-M" on the first day they got there, but his hair was normal length when the heroes encountered him. No, I can't imagine that a world renowned actor/billionaire/businessman/celebrity and his equally publicized family could slip back into New York and wander the streets given the level of notoriety he had at the end of the story.story.
* Did we ever see a map of which nation-states do and don't exist in the "present-day" world of House of M? We know that civil wars broke out between mutants and humans around the world and that nation-states still exist to some degree subordinate to Magneto, but are they mostly the same ones with the same borders or were entirely new ones created in the aftermath of the war? Did the USSR still fall?
28th Dec '15 2:54:56 PM Anddrix
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**** Mutants tend to have much more varied set of powers, plus a greater chance of developing powers that are considered especially dangerous or invasive, like telepathy or reality warping. They are a much more random factor too, being simply born with said powers, whereas even if ComicBook/SpiderGirl is she can at least trace her lineage back to her fathers lab accident, something rarer and thus smewhat more manageable. The prejudice arises partly from the sense that mutants are somehow supposed to "replace" humanity in a cliched` Darwinist sense, something that many mutants believe. The place of normal superhumans in the Marvel world is actually mostly ambiguous; in ''House of M'' Spider-Man would probably be thought of as having "cheated" to get his gifts (not to mention he posed as a mutant), on the other hand DoctorDoom explicitly did and yet manages to still be one of the most powerful mutants in the world. Not to mention most of the extremist anti-Mutant groups aren't exactly on friendly terms with normal superhumans either, plus the majority of normal superhumans are super''villains'' and so aren't really trusted anyway (for that matter, neither is Spider-Man or a few other ''heroes''.

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**** Mutants tend to have much more varied set of powers, plus a greater chance of developing powers that are considered especially dangerous or invasive, like telepathy or reality warping. They are a much more random factor too, being simply born with said powers, whereas even if ComicBook/SpiderGirl is she can at least trace her lineage back to her fathers lab accident, something rarer and thus smewhat more manageable. The prejudice arises partly from the sense that mutants are somehow supposed to "replace" humanity in a cliched` Darwinist sense, something that many mutants believe. The place of normal superhumans in the Marvel world is actually mostly ambiguous; in ''House of M'' Spider-Man would probably be thought of as having "cheated" to get his gifts (not to mention he posed as a mutant), on the other hand DoctorDoom Doctor Doom explicitly did and yet manages to still be one of the most powerful mutants in the world. Not to mention most of the extremist anti-Mutant groups aren't exactly on friendly terms with normal superhumans either, plus the majority of normal superhumans are super''villains'' and so aren't really trusted anyway (for that matter, neither is Spider-Man or a few other ''heroes''.
9th Aug '15 6:14:25 AM Whiplasherman
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**Indeed! In the "House of M" the other heroes came up to him with his family on a New York street and rebooted his memory. He was so traumatized by the transition that he ran away from all of them and had to be talked down by Wolverine, for cripes sake. And it doesn't look like he ever went back to his family, he seemed to be so horrified that it's hard to imagine him doing so, much less the 'happy ever after' conclusion of "House of M:Spider-Man" narrative. There must have been a major disconnect by the editor, since they also have him shaving his head BALD in "HOM:S-M" on the first day they got there, but his hair was normal length when the heroes encountered him. No, I can't imagine that a world renowned actor/billionaire/businessman/celebrity and his equally publicized family could slip back into New York and wander the streets given the level of notoriety he had at the end of the story.
1st Jun '15 7:12:35 AM RookEncounte
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* Why did the characters feel that 616 as it was was worth going back to/saving? They all had degrees of {{Heroic BSOD}} when Layla shows them their 616 lives, so why did they want to "fix" reality?
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12th May '15 8:31:06 AM StFan
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**** Mutants tend to have much more varied set of powers, plus a greater chance of developing powers that are considered especially dangerous or invasive, like telepathy or reality warping. They are a much more random factor too, being simply born with said powers, whereas even if SpiderGirl is she can at least trace her lineage back to her fathers lab accident, something rarer and thus smewhat more manageable. The prejudice arises partly from the sense that mutants are somehow supposed to "replace" humanity in a cliched` Darwinist sense, something that many mutants believe. The place of normal superhumans in the Marvel world is actually mostly ambiguous; in ''House of M'' Spiderman would probably be thought of as having "cheated" to get his gifts (not to mention he posed as a mutant), on the other hand DoctorDoom explicitly did and yet manages to still be one of the most powerful mutants in the world. Not to mention most of the extremist anti-Mutant groups aren't exactly on friendly terms with normal superhumans either, plus the majority of normal superhumans are super''villains'' and so aren't really trusted anyway (for that matter, neither is {{Spiderman}} or a few other ''heroes''.

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**** Mutants tend to have much more varied set of powers, plus a greater chance of developing powers that are considered especially dangerous or invasive, like telepathy or reality warping. They are a much more random factor too, being simply born with said powers, whereas even if SpiderGirl ComicBook/SpiderGirl is she can at least trace her lineage back to her fathers lab accident, something rarer and thus smewhat more manageable. The prejudice arises partly from the sense that mutants are somehow supposed to "replace" humanity in a cliched` Darwinist sense, something that many mutants believe. The place of normal superhumans in the Marvel world is actually mostly ambiguous; in ''House of M'' Spiderman Spider-Man would probably be thought of as having "cheated" to get his gifts (not to mention he posed as a mutant), on the other hand DoctorDoom explicitly did and yet manages to still be one of the most powerful mutants in the world. Not to mention most of the extremist anti-Mutant groups aren't exactly on friendly terms with normal superhumans either, plus the majority of normal superhumans are super''villains'' and so aren't really trusted anyway (for that matter, neither is {{Spiderman}} Spider-Man or a few other ''heroes''.
22nd Mar '15 8:09:22 AM bogslug
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*** It means that people who are only passively mutants don't count in the 616 numbers. In House of M continuity, they became active mutants through technology germane to that universe, hence the rapid increase in numbers. There's also a chance people considered 'supers' or 'mutates' in 616 managed to 'pass' as mutants to receive the social perks; or people considered mutants in 616 are passing as non-mutants to avoid the social stigma.

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*** It means that people who are only passively mutants don't count in the 616 numbers. In House of M continuity, they became active mutants through technology germane to that universe, hence the rapid increase in numbers. There's also a chance people considered 'supers' or 'mutates' in 616 managed to 'pass' as mutants to receive the social perks; or people considered mutants in 616 are passing as non-mutants to avoid the social stigma. stigma.
**** Hey, 16 million mutants died when Cassandra Nova destroyed Genosha.
1st Jan '14 4:27:58 AM Zark
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** She made a cameo appearance as a school teacher.

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** She made a cameo appearance as a school teacher.teacher.
* How does ''House of M: Spider-Man'' fit into the rest of the plot? After the 1st issue it seems to go straight into 'What if the world never was reverted back' type of story.
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