History Headscratchers / HotFuzz

23rd Jan '17 7:00:08 PM Ebrbfureh
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** Same reasons he rides in on a beautiful white horse wearing sunglasses, chewing a toothpick and packing enough heat to fight a small war; not only does it look cooler, it's also sending a pretty big "fuck you, I'm not scared of you tosspots, let's bring this shit ON" message to the N.W.A.

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** Same reasons he rides in on a beautiful white horse wearing sunglasses, chewing a toothpick and packing enough heat to fight a small war; not only does it look cooler, it's also sending a pretty big "fuck you, I'm not scared of you tosspots, let's bring this shit ON" message to the N.W.A.NWA.



** Assuming Sandford is where Wells actually is in real life (wells being where the film was... filmed), it's very near the site of Glastonbury Festival, one of the biggest music festivals in the world. Glasto is where riot police go to train in crowd control.

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** Assuming Sandford is where Wells actually is in real life (wells (Wells being where the film was... filmed), it's very near the site of Glastonbury Festival, one of the biggest music festivals in the world. Glasto is where riot police go to train in crowd control.



** It also serves as a perfect refutation of the methods of the N.W.A, who went outside the law and became monsters; while his methods there are perhaps on the extreme side, Angel stays within the law and manages to bring them to justice, thus demonstrating that the system ultimately works.

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** It also serves as a perfect refutation of the methods of the N.W.A, NWA, who went outside the law and became monsters; while his methods there are perhaps on the extreme side, Angel stays within the law and manages to bring them to justice, thus demonstrating that the system ultimately works.



** Nicholas Angel is basically Supercop. Of ''course'' he's such an awesome shot he knows exactly where and what he's shooting at to minimize the chance of fatalities. It's also worth pointing out that a lot of the time, he's not aiming directly at people; he's aiming at their ''surroundings'', and tactically using them to disable them as much as possible. In fact, if memory serves most of the actual N.W.A members who get shot directly are in fact shot by Danny.

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** Nicholas Angel is basically Supercop. Of ''course'' he's such an awesome shot he knows exactly where and what he's shooting at to minimize the chance of fatalities. It's also worth pointing out that a lot of the time, he's not aiming directly at people; he's aiming at their ''surroundings'', and tactically using them to disable them as much as possible. In fact, if memory serves most of the actual N.W.A NWA members who get shot directly are in fact shot by Danny.
23rd Jan '17 6:37:57 PM Ebrbfureh
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** As for farmers, they have guns for the same reason farmers everywhere usually have guns -- to get rid of vermin and pests that could potentially threaten their livestock and/or crops, and thus consequently their livelihoods. The gun rules in the UK are a lot ''stricter'' than they are in America and other places -- those farmers will still need permits for them -- but guns are by no means unheard of, even if they're not common.

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** As for farmers, they have guns for the same reason farmers everywhere usually have guns -- to guns--to get rid of vermin and pests that could potentially threaten their livestock and/or crops, and thus consequently their livelihoods. The gun rules in the UK are a lot ''stricter'' than they are in America and other places -- those places--those farmers will still need permits for them -- but them--but guns are by no means unheard of, even if they're not common.



** The OP specifies 'farmers', not 'villagers in general'. In any case, similar point -- guns aren't unheard of in the UK. It would be harder for the villagers to acquire their guns, but it's certainly not impossible. There's the black market, there's weapons people have stored from the war, and so forth.

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** The OP specifies 'farmers', not 'villagers in general'. In any case, similar point -- guns point--guns aren't unheard of in the UK. It would be harder for the villagers to acquire their guns, but it's certainly not impossible. There's the black market, there's weapons people have stored from the war, and so forth.
23rd Jan '17 6:37:28 PM Ebrbfureh
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* This is a really small thing to be bugged by, but Angel goes from London to Sanford on train with a long change over wait ''somewhere''. It gets dark during this short montage and there's repeated cuts to Angel checking his phone. Throughout the whole trip his phone battery doesn't go down by so much as one bar. This strikes me as a little unlikely.

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* This is a really small thing to be bugged by, but Angel goes from London to Sanford Sandford on train with a long change over wait ''somewhere''. It gets dark during this short montage and there's repeated cuts to Angel checking his phone. Throughout the whole trip his phone battery doesn't go down by so much as one bar. This strikes me as a little unlikely.



* I’m not that familiar with the structure and organization of the English police services, so I might be making a stupid mistake, but how could the London Metropolitan Police transfer Nicholas all the way to Sanford, in Gloucestershire? Wouldn’t that be like the NYPD transferring a police officer to somewhere in Ohio?

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* I’m not that familiar with the structure and organization of the English police services, so I might be making a stupid mistake, but how could the London Metropolitan Police transfer Nicholas all the way to Sanford, Sandford, in Gloucestershire? Wouldn’t that be like the NYPD transferring a police officer to somewhere in Ohio?



** Jossed. There are only [[spoiler: 24 conspirators]]. Many, many people are seen wandering around or at social gatherings in the town. More mentions are made to townsfolk who weren't even seen. More likely, the town had at least a few hundred people in and around the farms. The police force did have like a dozen people and the town had a super market so it's not like it was THAT small. Just look at how many people are at the carnival. Also, did anyone else notice that Tony Fisher had a son? It's not like the character's we saw ([[spoiler: conspirators included]]) didn't have families that we didn't see ([[spoiler: didn't know about the plot]]). After all, the shoplifter was Danny's cousin. Not to mention we didn't see Danny's aunt, the aunt's brother, or the aunt's brother's sister who was the shoplifter's mother.

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** Jossed. There are only [[spoiler: 24 conspirators]]. Many, many people are seen wandering around or at social gatherings in the town. More mentions are made to townsfolk who weren't even seen. More likely, the town had at least a few hundred people in and around the farms. The police force did have like a dozen people and the town had a super market so it's not like it was THAT small. Just look at how many people are at the carnival. Also, did anyone else notice that Tony Fisher had a son? It's not like the character's characters we saw ([[spoiler: conspirators ([[spoiler:conspirators included]]) didn't have families that we didn't see ([[spoiler: didn't ([[spoiler:didn't know about the plot]]). After all, the shoplifter was Danny's cousin. Not to mention we didn't see Danny's aunt, the aunt's brother, or the aunt's brother's sister who was the shoplifter's mother.



* What was it that Tim Messenger wanted to tell Angel at the church fete? The logical thing was that he came to the same conclusion as Angel does when he and the Sanford PD confront Skinner, but I'm not sure if he'd be smart enough to connect the dots like that.

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* What was it that Tim Messenger wanted to tell Angel at the church fete? The logical thing was that he came to the same conclusion as Angel does when he and the Sanford Sandford PD confront Skinner, but I'm not sure if he'd be smart enough to connect the dots like that.
23rd Jan '17 4:40:52 PM Ebrbfureh
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** The closest thing Britain has to the FBI is Scotland Yard -- which can only be called in by the local police, not by private individuals.
** Well, not really - Scotland Yard is the HQ of the Met, London's police force - er, service. For historic reasons, the Met being the first officially-sanctioned police agency in the UK, they have a couple of England-wide responsibilities (counter-terrorism and VIP protection, for example) and offer assistance to other services in specialist areas like art crime, but the equivalent agency to the FBI - in that they investigate serious crimes that span multiple areas - is the National Crime Agency. Neither the Met nor NCA would have got involved in events in Sandford because it didn't involve any of the areas they have jurisdiction over. Obviously this is all overthinking a film that has an entire building destroyed by a half-ton of explosives with none of the inhabitants killed...

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** The closest thing Britain has to the FBI is Scotland Yard -- which Yard--which can only be called in by the local police, not by private individuals.
** Well, not really - Scotland really--Scotland Yard is the HQ of the Met, London's police force - er, force--er, service. For historic reasons, the Met being the first officially-sanctioned police agency in the UK, they have a couple of England-wide responsibilities (counter-terrorism and VIP protection, for example) and offer assistance to other services in specialist areas like art crime, but the equivalent agency to the FBI - in FBI--in that they investigate serious crimes that span multiple areas - is areas--is the National Crime Agency. Neither the Met nor NCA would have got involved in events in Sandford because it didn't involve any of the areas they have jurisdiction over. Obviously this is all overthinking a film that has an entire building destroyed by a half-ton of explosives with none of the inhabitants killed...



** No, but he knew that Nicholas was going on a suicide mission before he left for the castle, after the fight with Lurch. That's why he gave Nick his notebook - that was when he set it up with the packet of ketchup. So by the time Nick was attacked, Danny would have already guessed that eventually Nick would find out what was behind all the murders, confront them, and probably lose. Maybe he was hoping that Nick would give up the chase and not go the way Popwell did, but when they sent Lurch after him that made him give up being in denial.

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** No, but he knew that Nicholas was going on a suicide mission before he left for the castle, after the fight with Lurch. That's why he gave Nick his notebook - that notebook--that was when he set it up with the packet of ketchup. So by the time Nick was attacked, Danny would have already guessed that eventually Nick would find out what was behind all the murders, confront them, and probably lose. Maybe he was hoping that Nick would give up the chase and not go the way Popwell did, but when they sent Lurch after him that made him give up being in denial.



** Also, assuming Sandford's supposed to be in roughly the same area as it's filmed (That is, [[UsefulNotes/TheWestCountry Wells, in North Somerset]]), it only takes about four hours - or rather would, if there was a train station there - to get there on the train from London. Sorry, Lon-don.

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** Also, assuming Sandford's supposed to be in roughly the same area as it's filmed (That is, [[UsefulNotes/TheWestCountry Wells, in North Somerset]]), it only takes about four hours - or hours--or rather would, if there was a train station there - to there--to get there on the train from London. Sorry, Lon-don.



** Standard issue Police body armour is in fact both stab and bullet resistant (allegedly - I've never been that keen to test the theory at work). "Riot gear" (public order protection) is designed to protect the wearer from blunt force (bricks) and fire (which I know does work because you have petrol bombs smashed over you in the course of "riot" training). It is not kept in the armoury because it's not a weapon. And members of Firearms Units do indeed get issued enhanced bullet resistant body armour. However, every ex-Firearms officer I know kept theirs when they transferred to another unit; they're used to the extra weight and if you've got a good bit of kit, you keep it, you don't give it back to stores.

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** Standard issue Police body armour is in fact both stab and bullet resistant (allegedly - I've (allegedly--I've never been that keen to test the theory at work). "Riot gear" (public order protection) is designed to protect the wearer from blunt force (bricks) and fire (which I know does work because you have petrol bombs smashed over you in the course of "riot" training). It is not kept in the armoury because it's not a weapon. And members of Firearms Units do indeed get issued enhanced bullet resistant body armour. However, every ex-Firearms officer I know kept theirs when they transferred to another unit; they're used to the extra weight and if you've got a good bit of kit, you keep it, you don't give it back to stores.



** Met officers can be (and regularly are) seconded out to other forces - er, services - but normally when they have particular expertise (e.g. anti-terrorist officers going to other big cities), and again it can't really be done against their will. It's also not unheard of for diagonal promotions to happen between services but it's normally at much higher levels (e.g. the current head of the Met started in Yorkshire, and moved to Liverpool and then to London to chase promotions), so it could be that Angel wanted to be a Sergeant more than he wanted to stay in London - blocking his promotion would certainly be within their power.

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** Met officers can be (and regularly are) seconded out to other forces - er, services - but forces--er, services--but normally when they have particular expertise (e.g. anti-terrorist officers going to other big cities), and again it can't really be done against their will. It's also not unheard of for diagonal promotions to happen between services but it's normally at much higher levels (e.g. the current head of the Met started in Yorkshire, and moved to Liverpool and then to London to chase promotions), so it could be that Angel wanted to be a Sergeant more than he wanted to stay in London - blocking London--blocking his promotion would certainly be within their power.



** Occasionally weird caches like that do show up. Normally they're old war surplus stuff (they found a bunch of mustard gas shells buried in the middle of London a few years back(!)), but there's some pretty up-to-date kit in that barn. Webley said he "found" the stuff - maybe the NWA hid their stash in his field?

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** Occasionally weird caches like that do show up. Normally they're old war surplus stuff (they found a bunch of mustard gas shells buried in the middle of London a few years back(!)), but there's some pretty up-to-date kit in that barn. Webley said he "found" the stuff - maybe stuff--maybe the NWA hid their stash in his field?



*** I highly doubt Webley was in on the conspiracy - it seems odd that he'd so easily hand over the stash to Angel if he were.

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*** I highly doubt Webley was in on the conspiracy - it conspiracy--it seems odd that he'd so easily hand over the stash to Angel if he were.



** Exactly. Of course he's not shooting to kill - Angel believes in the law above all, and would want to bring the NWA to justice. See his backstory, the bit about believing that upholding the law being something pure. Killing when there's a way to avoid it is exactly the sort of behaviour he would consider himself above.

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** Exactly. Of course he's not shooting to kill - Angel kill--Angel believes in the law above all, and would want to bring the NWA to justice. See his backstory, the bit about believing that upholding the law being something pure. Killing when there's a way to avoid it is exactly the sort of behaviour he would consider himself above.
18th Jan '17 3:07:54 PM SmoCro
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*** Also note that seamines are not designed to make holes in ships. They primarily make holes in the water into whicht the ship then falls. The kicker is not the 80 kg of explosive in the mine, but the shear force acting on the vessel. So what we have here are approx. 80 kgs of explosives configurated for blast over penetration... a building can withstand that with some luck... or not.
8th Jan '17 7:31:30 PM Drew_Y
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** Angel later says that Messenger had found the connection to rising property values. Angel still believes the conspiracy is inspired by greed, and it seems Messenger thought the same thing. Angel even came to that conclusion by reading Messenger's articles.
18th Oct '16 4:26:24 PM nombretomado
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** [[FreemansMind That's how democracy works.]]

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** [[FreemansMind [[Machinima/FreemansMind That's how democracy works.]]
17th Sep '16 5:08:46 AM Hjortron18
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[[folder:The traffic collision]]
* Nicholas gets suspicious after finding no skid marks at the crash scene. Did the NWA simply forget to fake some in order to make the accident look more real...or did they maybe ''deliberately'' not add any because they wanted to make it look as if Blower and Draper both committed suicide...like ''Romeo and Juliet''?
17th Sep '16 4:59:10 AM Hjortron18
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[[folder:The traffic collision]]
* Nicholas gets suspicious after finding no skid marks at the crash scene. Did the NWA simply forget to fake some in order to make the accident look more real...or did they maybe ''deliberately'' not add any because they wanted to make it look as if Blower and Draper both committed suicide...like ''Romeo and Juliet''?
1st Aug '16 5:24:58 AM damnedifiaint
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*** I highly doubt Webley was in on the conspiracy - it seems odd that he'd so easily hand over the stash to Angel if he were.
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