History Headscratchers / HeraldsofValdemar

17th Aug '17 12:27:35 PM cordychase
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* In ''Mage Storms'', Urtho's armory is labeled with each weapon, what it does, and ''how to destroy it'', including a note from Urtho to the finder saying "Do yourself and the world a favor and get rid of these." Fair enough. But when they active a big Magic Sink weapon to neutralize the Final Storm, all the other weapons go off and the combined energy almost destroys them all. Afterward, Firesong is kicking himself for not realizing the other weapons would fire. ''Why didn't they deactivate them before the last Storm''??

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* In ''Mage Storms'', Urtho's armory is labeled with each weapon, what it does, and ''how to destroy it'', including a note from Urtho to the finder saying "Do yourself and the world a favor and get rid of these." Fair enough. But when they active a big Magic Sink weapon to neutralize the Final Storm, all the other weapons go off and the combined energy almost destroys them all. Afterward, Firesong is kicking himself for not realizing the other weapons would fire. ''Why didn't they deactivate them before the last Storm''??Storm''??
* Why doesn't the Crown do anything about the Holderkin? Sure, Valdemar's credo is "there is no one true way", and the Holderkin are entitled to be isolationist Puritan-minded preppers if they want, but beating children, locking them in solitary, and forcibly marrying off thirteen-year-olds to grown men is just a ''wee bit'' past the reasonable bounds of religious freedom. Maybe they didn't know how bad things were before Talia was Chosen, but now she's the ''Queen's Own''--Selenay is her best friend, for crying out loud. So why is everyone (including her!) acting like the Holderkin are just quaint conservative oddballs instead of sending a pack of Heralds down there to make them shape up?
8th Apr '17 5:01:16 PM GammaCavy
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* Is Kerowyn incompetent? Consider the following two cases:

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* Is Kerowyn incompetent? Consider the following two three cases:


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** When the decision to send a covert team of mages to kill Ancar is made, Kerowyn clearly thinks Elspeth is the best person for the job. Not her Skybolts, who've done things like that before. Elspeth, who must not go into danger, who has very little experience, and who Ancar will brutally torture to death if he catches.
21st Oct '16 6:56:54 PM Chariset
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** It's a RetCon. ''By the Sword'' was one of the earlier books, while the Exile Duology is more recent.

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** It's a RetCon. ''By the Sword'' was one of the earlier books, while the Exile Duology is more recent.recent.
* In ''Mage Storms'', Urtho's armory is labeled with each weapon, what it does, and ''how to destroy it'', including a note from Urtho to the finder saying "Do yourself and the world a favor and get rid of these." Fair enough. But when they active a big Magic Sink weapon to neutralize the Final Storm, all the other weapons go off and the combined energy almost destroys them all. Afterward, Firesong is kicking himself for not realizing the other weapons would fire. ''Why didn't they deactivate them before the last Storm''??
2nd Jul '16 2:47:43 PM JoieDeCombat
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** Kyril doesn't actually say it, but the Arrow code is heavily implied to be a last-ditch resort for worst case scenarios, where a Herald, for some reason, can't communicate via their Companion (Talia can't at the time because she's being Mage-blocked; a situation that hasn't happened for centuries). It's not used very often because a Herald separated from their Companion is usually dead. If you think about it, every other hero (who is also a Herald) in a really bad situation in the books is either a strong mindspeaker in their own right (Mags, Skif), or in a situation so dire that they don't have time to send such a message (Vanyel, Alberich) or in a situation where a message wouldn't help (Lavan).

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** Kyril doesn't actually say it, but the Arrow code is heavily implied to be a last-ditch resort for worst case scenarios, where a Herald, for some reason, can't communicate via their Companion (Talia can't at the time because she's being Mage-blocked; a situation that hasn't happened for centuries).centuries and which the Heraldic Circle could not have accounted for as a possibility thanks to the country-wide mental block regarding magic). It's not used very often because a Herald separated from their Companion is usually dead. If you think about it, every other hero (who is also a Herald) in a really bad situation in the books is either a strong mindspeaker in their own right (Mags, Skif), or in a situation so dire that they don't have time to send such a message (Vanyel, Alberich) or in a situation where a message wouldn't help (Lavan).
19th Mar '16 8:21:08 AM VanessaTaleweaver
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*** I just re-read those chapters, too - at no point does Talia actually say 'I have no idea what's happening to me, can you please tell me what in the Havens is going on?' or variant. Her own shyness and severe training in 'don't question authority' means that she never really says more than a line or two to anyone on her journey, so everyone who talks to her simply thinks she's a little confused, not that she has no idea what's happening.
Not to mention that given what's revealed about the Companion's abilities later - and especially Talia's - it's very probably that Rolan was 'encouraging' her mentally not to ask questions or to be too afraid. (after all, the two-way mental/spiritual/magical connection from the moment of Choosing means that Rolan '''knows''' that Talia wants to be a Herald. Consent to whatever happens in order to get her to the Palace to do just that is included; if Talia knew the whole situation she'd simply say it was fine.)

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*** I just re-read those chapters, too - at no point does Talia actually say 'I have no idea what's happening to me, can you please tell me what in the Havens is going on?' or variant. Her own shyness and severe training in 'don't question authority' means that she never really says more than a line or two to anyone on her journey, so everyone who talks to her simply thinks she's a little confused, not that she has no idea what's happening. \n Not to mention that given what's revealed about the Companion's abilities later - and especially Talia's - it's very probably probable that Rolan was 'encouraging' her mentally not to ask questions or and stay calm, so she never came off as frightened enough for anyone to be too afraid.ask her directly about her confusion. (after all, the two-way mental/spiritual/magical connection from the moment of Choosing means that Rolan '''knows''' that Talia wants to be a Herald. Consent to whatever happens in order to get her to the Palace to do just that is included; if Talia knew the whole situation she'd simply say it was fine.)
19th Mar '16 8:18:37 AM VanessaTaleweaver
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*** it's been awhile since I read ''Take a Thief'', but is it possible that Bazie was injured in a separate, earlier conflict against the Tedrels, but they weren't identified as such until the 'official' Tedrel Wars? They were all mercenaries, after all, and their participating in an earlier conflict with Valdemar as part of a larger foreign army could explain a lot.


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** There's also the fact that his being 'elderly' is only mentioned from Talia's POV. Talia is only 13, and peasant-born in a medieval world (where commoners were middle-aged at thirty). Talia's narrative states that Jadus reminds her of her paternal grandmother; given that Talia was to be married off at thirteen, and that's implied to be typical for Holderkin, her grandmother could have been as young as 45.
19th Mar '16 8:09:57 AM VanessaTaleweaver
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*** I just re-read those chapters, too - at no point does Talia actually say 'I have no idea what's happening to me, can you please tell me what in the Havens is going on?' or variant. Her own shyness and severe training in 'don't question authority' means that she never really says more than a line or two to anyone on her journey. Not to mention that given what's revealed about the Companion's abilities later - and especially Talia's - it's very probably that Rolan was 'encouraging' her mentally not to ask questions or to be too afraid. (after all, the two-way mental/spiritual/magical connection from the moment of Choosing means that Rolan '''knows''' that Talia wants to be a Herald. Consent to whatever happens in order to get her to the Palace to do just that is included; if Talia knew the whole situation she'd just say it was fine.)

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*** I just re-read those chapters, too - at no point does Talia actually say 'I have no idea what's happening to me, can you please tell me what in the Havens is going on?' or variant. Her own shyness and severe training in 'don't question authority' means that she never really says more than a line or two to anyone on her journey. journey, so everyone who talks to her simply thinks she's a little confused, not that she has no idea what's happening.
Not to mention that given what's revealed about the Companion's abilities later - and especially Talia's - it's very probably that Rolan was 'encouraging' her mentally not to ask questions or to be too afraid. (after all, the two-way mental/spiritual/magical connection from the moment of Choosing means that Rolan '''knows''' that Talia wants to be a Herald. Consent to whatever happens in order to get her to the Palace to do just that is included; if Talia knew the whole situation she'd just simply say it was fine.)



** Kyril doesn't actually say it, but the Arrow code is a last-ditch resort for worst case scenarios, where a Herald, for some reason, can't communicate with their Companion (Talia can't at the time because she's being Mage-blocked). It's not used very often because a Herald separated from their Companion is usually dead. If you think about it, every other hero (who is also a Herald) in a really bad situation in the books is either a strong mindspeaker in their own right (Mags, Skif), or in a situation so dire that they don't have time to send such a message (Vanyel, Alberich) or in a situation where a message wouldn't help (Lavan).

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** Kyril doesn't actually say it, but the Arrow code is heavily implied to be a last-ditch resort for worst case scenarios, where a Herald, for some reason, can't communicate with via their Companion (Talia can't at the time because she's being Mage-blocked).Mage-blocked; a situation that hasn't happened for centuries). It's not used very often because a Herald separated from their Companion is usually dead. If you think about it, every other hero (who is also a Herald) in a really bad situation in the books is either a strong mindspeaker in their own right (Mags, Skif), or in a situation so dire that they don't have time to send such a message (Vanyel, Alberich) or in a situation where a message wouldn't help (Lavan).
19th Mar '16 8:05:46 AM VanessaTaleweaver
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*** I just re-read those chapters, too - at no point does Talia actually say 'I have no idea what's happening to me, can you please tell me what in the Havens is going on?' or variant. Her own shyness and severe training in 'don't question authority' means that she never really says more than a line or two to anyone on her journey. Not to mention that given what's revealed about the Companion's abilities later - and especially Talia's - it's very probably that Rolan was 'encouraging' her mentally not to ask questions or to be too afraid. (after all, the two-way mental/spiritual/magical connection from the moment of Choosing means that Rolan '''knows''' that Talia wants to be a Herald. Consent to whatever happens in order to get her to the Palace to do just that is included; if Talia knew the whole situation she'd just say it was fine.)
19th Mar '16 7:57:44 AM VanessaTaleweaver
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** It is possiable that the "powers" of Heralds have gotten stronger over the generations. So the Arrow Code used to be needed more in the past.

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** It is possiable possible that the "powers" of Heralds have gotten stronger over the generations. So the Arrow Code used to be needed more in the past.past.
** Kyril doesn't actually say it, but the Arrow code is a last-ditch resort for worst case scenarios, where a Herald, for some reason, can't communicate with their Companion (Talia can't at the time because she's being Mage-blocked). It's not used very often because a Herald separated from their Companion is usually dead. If you think about it, every other hero (who is also a Herald) in a really bad situation in the books is either a strong mindspeaker in their own right (Mags, Skif), or in a situation so dire that they don't have time to send such a message (Vanyel, Alberich) or in a situation where a message wouldn't help (Lavan).
*** borders into WMG, but... the other situation where the arrow code might be needed is sheer distance from a Companion. This would normally be a spy. Who thinks that Mags or Nikolas is going to create the Arrow code during the ''Herald Spy'' series?
5th Feb '15 10:54:07 AM OwenoColwyn
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** So, overall, what they're trying to do is to make people wait to have the proper discussion we see with Teren in Orientation, rather than have it all happen in a more confused fashion. (And it's not just the Roadguard, Dirk says the same).


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