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19th Mar '16 8:21:08 AM VanessaTaleweaver
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*** I just re-read those chapters, too - at no point does Talia actually say 'I have no idea what's happening to me, can you please tell me what in the Havens is going on?' or variant. Her own shyness and severe training in 'don't question authority' means that she never really says more than a line or two to anyone on her journey, so everyone who talks to her simply thinks she's a little confused, not that she has no idea what's happening.
Not to mention that given what's revealed about the Companion's abilities later - and especially Talia's - it's very probably that Rolan was 'encouraging' her mentally not to ask questions or to be too afraid. (after all, the two-way mental/spiritual/magical connection from the moment of Choosing means that Rolan '''knows''' that Talia wants to be a Herald. Consent to whatever happens in order to get her to the Palace to do just that is included; if Talia knew the whole situation she'd simply say it was fine.)

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*** I just re-read those chapters, too - at no point does Talia actually say 'I have no idea what's happening to me, can you please tell me what in the Havens is going on?' or variant. Her own shyness and severe training in 'don't question authority' means that she never really says more than a line or two to anyone on her journey, so everyone who talks to her simply thinks she's a little confused, not that she has no idea what's happening. \n Not to mention that given what's revealed about the Companion's abilities later - and especially Talia's - it's very probably probable that Rolan was 'encouraging' her mentally not to ask questions or and stay calm, so she never came off as frightened enough for anyone to be too afraid.ask her directly about her confusion. (after all, the two-way mental/spiritual/magical connection from the moment of Choosing means that Rolan '''knows''' that Talia wants to be a Herald. Consent to whatever happens in order to get her to the Palace to do just that is included; if Talia knew the whole situation she'd simply say it was fine.)
19th Mar '16 8:18:37 AM VanessaTaleweaver
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*** it's been awhile since I read ''Take a Thief'', but is it possible that Bazie was injured in a separate, earlier conflict against the Tedrels, but they weren't identified as such until the 'official' Tedrel Wars? They were all mercenaries, after all, and their participating in an earlier conflict with Valdemar as part of a larger foreign army could explain a lot.


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** There's also the fact that his being 'elderly' is only mentioned from Talia's POV. Talia is only 13, and peasant-born in a medieval world (where commoners were middle-aged at thirty). Talia's narrative states that Jadus reminds her of her paternal grandmother; given that Talia was to be married off at thirteen, and that's implied to be typical for Holderkin, her grandmother could have been as young as 45.
19th Mar '16 8:09:57 AM VanessaTaleweaver
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*** I just re-read those chapters, too - at no point does Talia actually say 'I have no idea what's happening to me, can you please tell me what in the Havens is going on?' or variant. Her own shyness and severe training in 'don't question authority' means that she never really says more than a line or two to anyone on her journey. Not to mention that given what's revealed about the Companion's abilities later - and especially Talia's - it's very probably that Rolan was 'encouraging' her mentally not to ask questions or to be too afraid. (after all, the two-way mental/spiritual/magical connection from the moment of Choosing means that Rolan '''knows''' that Talia wants to be a Herald. Consent to whatever happens in order to get her to the Palace to do just that is included; if Talia knew the whole situation she'd just say it was fine.)

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*** I just re-read those chapters, too - at no point does Talia actually say 'I have no idea what's happening to me, can you please tell me what in the Havens is going on?' or variant. Her own shyness and severe training in 'don't question authority' means that she never really says more than a line or two to anyone on her journey. journey, so everyone who talks to her simply thinks she's a little confused, not that she has no idea what's happening.
Not to mention that given what's revealed about the Companion's abilities later - and especially Talia's - it's very probably that Rolan was 'encouraging' her mentally not to ask questions or to be too afraid. (after all, the two-way mental/spiritual/magical connection from the moment of Choosing means that Rolan '''knows''' that Talia wants to be a Herald. Consent to whatever happens in order to get her to the Palace to do just that is included; if Talia knew the whole situation she'd just simply say it was fine.)



** Kyril doesn't actually say it, but the Arrow code is a last-ditch resort for worst case scenarios, where a Herald, for some reason, can't communicate with their Companion (Talia can't at the time because she's being Mage-blocked). It's not used very often because a Herald separated from their Companion is usually dead. If you think about it, every other hero (who is also a Herald) in a really bad situation in the books is either a strong mindspeaker in their own right (Mags, Skif), or in a situation so dire that they don't have time to send such a message (Vanyel, Alberich) or in a situation where a message wouldn't help (Lavan).

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** Kyril doesn't actually say it, but the Arrow code is heavily implied to be a last-ditch resort for worst case scenarios, where a Herald, for some reason, can't communicate with via their Companion (Talia can't at the time because she's being Mage-blocked).Mage-blocked; a situation that hasn't happened for centuries). It's not used very often because a Herald separated from their Companion is usually dead. If you think about it, every other hero (who is also a Herald) in a really bad situation in the books is either a strong mindspeaker in their own right (Mags, Skif), or in a situation so dire that they don't have time to send such a message (Vanyel, Alberich) or in a situation where a message wouldn't help (Lavan).
19th Mar '16 8:05:46 AM VanessaTaleweaver
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*** I just re-read those chapters, too - at no point does Talia actually say 'I have no idea what's happening to me, can you please tell me what in the Havens is going on?' or variant. Her own shyness and severe training in 'don't question authority' means that she never really says more than a line or two to anyone on her journey. Not to mention that given what's revealed about the Companion's abilities later - and especially Talia's - it's very probably that Rolan was 'encouraging' her mentally not to ask questions or to be too afraid. (after all, the two-way mental/spiritual/magical connection from the moment of Choosing means that Rolan '''knows''' that Talia wants to be a Herald. Consent to whatever happens in order to get her to the Palace to do just that is included; if Talia knew the whole situation she'd just say it was fine.)
19th Mar '16 7:57:44 AM VanessaTaleweaver
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** It is possiable that the "powers" of Heralds have gotten stronger over the generations. So the Arrow Code used to be needed more in the past.

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** It is possiable possible that the "powers" of Heralds have gotten stronger over the generations. So the Arrow Code used to be needed more in the past.past.
** Kyril doesn't actually say it, but the Arrow code is a last-ditch resort for worst case scenarios, where a Herald, for some reason, can't communicate with their Companion (Talia can't at the time because she's being Mage-blocked). It's not used very often because a Herald separated from their Companion is usually dead. If you think about it, every other hero (who is also a Herald) in a really bad situation in the books is either a strong mindspeaker in their own right (Mags, Skif), or in a situation so dire that they don't have time to send such a message (Vanyel, Alberich) or in a situation where a message wouldn't help (Lavan).
*** borders into WMG, but... the other situation where the arrow code might be needed is sheer distance from a Companion. This would normally be a spy. Who thinks that Mags or Nikolas is going to create the Arrow code during the ''Herald Spy'' series?
5th Feb '15 10:54:07 AM OwenoColwyn
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** So, overall, what they're trying to do is to make people wait to have the proper discussion we see with Teren in Orientation, rather than have it all happen in a more confused fashion. (And it's not just the Roadguard, Dirk says the same).


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3rd Feb '15 12:16:24 PM JoieDeCombat
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* In the Black Gryphon, I feel rather shocked at the lack of actual ability associated with Skandranon throughout the book. Either he is building up someone else to insane levels-usually Zhaneel who has reason to be due to earlier lacking self-esteem and confidence, but perhaps too much since she just accepts giving Skan the boot in the rear from Amberdrake-or just sitting around. When he gets back into combat, he's nearly a ButtMonkey; captured in a net, and then enters a freefall so that Zhaneel can get the kill. He barely seems to do anything as the incredible soldier and black-ops gryphon we expect in the story except for the first bit, and that doesn't feel right. It is essentially InformedAbility.
12th Sep '14 10:06:33 AM Tovath1
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** This Troper believes that the Arrows trilogy was one of the first Valdemar books published. It's possible that the 'rules' of the world weren't quite worked out all the way by then.

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** This Troper believes that the The Arrows trilogy was one of the first Valdemar books published. It's possible that the 'rules' of the world weren't quite worked out all the way by then.


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**It is possiable that the "powers" of Heralds have gotten stronger over the generations. So the Arrow Code used to be needed more in the past.
20th Feb '14 8:35:35 AM Elkhound
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*** Which explains the twins; the longer a woman goes between pregnancies (or before having children, period) the higher the chance of multiples.
15th Sep '13 1:07:17 AM Somariel
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* What is the overlap between By The Sword and the Exile Duology? I've been trying to work out the bit where Karathanelan of Rethwallan is killed while trying to control Selenay (later his death is explained as a hunting accident to ease his brother Faramentha in Valor. His father has been dead some time) verus By the Sword - Karathanelan dies, and it is known immediately what he did and his father dies of heart failure by this shock and his brother Faramentha becomes king.

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* What is the overlap between By ''By The Sword Sword'' and the Exile Duology? I've been trying to work out the bit where Karathanelan of Rethwallan is killed while trying to control Selenay (later his death is explained as a hunting accident to ease his brother Faramentha in Valor. His father has been dead some time) verus By versus ''By the Sword Sword'' - Karathanelan dies, and it is known immediately what he did and his father dies of heart failure by this shock and his brother Faramentha becomes king.king.
** It's a RetCon. ''By the Sword'' was one of the earlier books, while the Exile Duology is more recent.
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