History Headscratchers / Hellboy

18th Apr '18 9:50:12 PM Pisthetairos
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* In the first story featuring the Baba Yaga, Hellboy and Kate are in Russia when a peasant approaches them asking if they're Americans. Why isn't he freaked out when he sees Hellboy, a demon?
16th Apr '18 3:11:26 PM Sharlee
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** For all we know, she ''would'' have challenged him if there was no other way. But Hellboy was there, he was qualified and willing to cut loose in a duel with her brother, and there was at least a chance (albeit remote) that he could subdue Nuada without killing him. And if he ''did'' kill Nuada, at least her twin would get to die honorably, battling a worthy opponent: something she'd prefer for the brother she still cares for, however far off the deep end he's gone.

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** For all we know, she ''would'' have challenged him if there was no other way. But Hellboy was there, he was qualified and willing to cut loose in a duel with her brother, and there was at least a chance (albeit remote) that he could subdue Nuada without killing him. And if he Hellboy ''did'' kill Nuada, at least her twin would get to die honorably, battling a worthy opponent: something she'd prefer for the brother she still cares for, however far off the deep end he's gone.
16th Apr '18 3:11:10 PM Sharlee
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** For all we know, she ''would'' have challenged him if there was no other way. But Hellboy was there, he was qualified and willing to cut loose in a duel with her brother, and there was at least a chance (albeit remote) that he could subdue Nuada without killing him. And if he ''did'' kill Nuada, at least her twin would get to die honorably, battling a worthy opponent: something she'd prefer for the brother she still cares for, however far off the deep end he's gone.
24th Mar '18 3:39:37 PM nombretomado
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*** That would be another JustBugsMe; I'm guessing that Golden Army was pretty impressive when the opposition was using spears and shields. In a modern context? Not so much. The Prince's plan was pretty hopeless. But that's beside the point; ''in story'', it's treated like a terrible threat to human survival, and yet Abe Sapien potentially screws everybody over for the sake of getting back a woman he barely knows. That's less romantic and more sociopathic.

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*** That would be another JustBugsMe; issue; I'm guessing that Golden Army was pretty impressive when the opposition was using spears and shields. In a modern context? Not so much. The Prince's plan was pretty hopeless. But that's beside the point; ''in story'', it's treated like a terrible threat to human survival, and yet Abe Sapien potentially screws everybody over for the sake of getting back a woman he barely knows. That's less romantic and more sociopathic.
2nd Sep '17 11:21:00 PM rwe1138
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*** Given BPDR knows about it(Prof. Trevor read the freaking story to Hellboy more or less 50 years ago), at least a few governments are aware of the treaty. And the people at the auction know about the story. Problem is, everyone living in TheMasquerade thinks it's a legend, and proceeded to promptly ignored the intended Aesop, while the people who are aware simply ''don't care''. For BPDR and everyone affiliated to them, their job is keeping humanity safe, which means screw all the freaks and fairies(Manning outright says that in the first movie, when he thinks Hellboy should be locked up as well). It's likely humanity has been remembered of the deal over and over through the millennia, but proceeded to ignore/forget/dismiss/counter it for self-benefit. Nuada just hit his limit when everyone else, even his family, decided to just accept it and let the fairy races die. And humanity doesn't help its case when Hellboy reveals himself and most people react with mockery or scorn.

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*** Given BPDR BPRD knows about it(Prof.it (Prof. Trevor read the freaking story to Hellboy more or less 50 years ago), at least a few governments are aware of the treaty. And the people at the auction know about the story. Problem is, everyone living in TheMasquerade thinks it's a legend, and proceeded to promptly ignored the intended Aesop, while the people who are aware simply ''don't care''. For BPDR BPRD and everyone affiliated to them, their job is keeping humanity safe, which means screw all the freaks and fairies(Manning fairies (Manning outright says that in the first movie, when he thinks Hellboy should be locked up as well). It's likely humanity has been remembered of the deal over and over through the millennia, but proceeded to ignore/forget/dismiss/counter it for self-benefit. Nuada just hit his limit when everyone else, even his family, decided to just accept it and let the fairy races die. And humanity doesn't help its case when Hellboy reveals himself and most people react with mockery or scorn.
24th Jun '17 8:01:17 PM MadAnthony94
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** Although it doesn't come up much, we know that Hellboy lives in a StandardSuperheroSetting. Lobster Johnson? The Torch of Liberty, a Captain America {{Expy}} mentioned in "Seed of Destruction"? When you could plausibly encounter a superhero, a guy with red skin and stumpy horns probably isn't too shocking a sight, especially if you don't understand his origins. Remember when Ilsa first sees Hellboy in "Wake the Devil" she mutters something about thinking Hellboy is a circus freak of some kind.
9th May '17 5:39:05 PM Gaon
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** Simple madness is also a factor. Von Klempt seems to [[AdmiringTheAbomination admire and rejoice at the beauty]] of the Conqueror Worm, in contrast to his contempt for mankind. A clue of his worldview is in the Edgar Allan Poe poem for which the story and the Worm are named after ''and'' the very same poem that opens the narrative: It's a poem about angels watching TheFollyOfMan with all our disgusting mistakes and needless cruelty, and in the end when "The Conqueror Worm" (in the poem, probably a metaphor for natural death) kills them all, the angels declare this is the tragedy of man, and its sole hero [[TitleDrop the Conqueror Worm]] (i.e "HumansAreBastards, thank God they die eventually to stop their endless cruelty."). The fact Klempt outright calls the beast (which is otherwise entirely nameless) "The Conqueror Worm" suggests he did this on purpose and agrees with the poem's assessment of humanity (we're all terrible and it'd be better if we were all wiped out by a EldritchAbomination).
10th Apr '17 9:51:05 PM Sharlee
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*** Also, killing herself and her brother wouldn't necessarily eliminate the threat of the Golden Army. For all she knew, Nuada might have some fanatical followers who would hand the Crown over to the nearest prince of some ''other'' humanity-hating supernatural race if he died before he could exterminate us himself.
23rd Dec '16 7:20:49 AM Morgenthaler
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*** Easier said than done, specially when the one holding the pieces is [[OffscreenTeleportation Prince]] [[FragileSpeedster Nuada]] [[{{Badass}} Silverlance]] and there are 4900 huge, explosion-blocking soldiers ready to butcher the shit out of you.

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*** Easier said than done, specially when the one holding the pieces is [[OffscreenTeleportation Prince]] [[FragileSpeedster Nuada]] [[{{Badass}} Silverlance]] Silverlance and there are 4900 huge, explosion-blocking soldiers ready to butcher the shit out of you.
24th Jul '16 9:40:07 PM PaulA
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** It might have been miffed about being forgotten. Even though being forgotten allowed it to commit its murders unimpeded, a big theme in the Hellboy books is the creatures of myth and legend being angry at humanity forgetting them. Because Hellboy was sent out to kill it, it might have figured it was going to die anyway, and it might as well go out imparting imformation about itself. To quote [[TheLastUnicorn Mommy Fortuna]], "There's ''my'' immortality, eh?"

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** It might have been miffed about being forgotten. Even though being forgotten allowed it to commit its murders unimpeded, a big theme in the Hellboy books is the creatures of myth and legend being angry at humanity forgetting them. Because Hellboy was sent out to kill it, it might have figured it was going to die anyway, and it might as well go out imparting imformation about itself. To quote [[TheLastUnicorn [[WesternAnimation/TheLastUnicorn Mommy Fortuna]], "There's ''my'' immortality, eh?"
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