History Headscratchers / HarryPotterAndThePrisonerOfAzkaban

27th Feb '17 4:05:26 PM Luppercus
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So we're introduced to the Confoundus Charm here, and we get a more in-depth look at in in Half-Blood Prince. But how is it any different from Imperius? They both control the victim,so why is Confoundus a ''charm''? In fact, that makes me think...could a wizard use Confoundus on someone and get away with it because it's classified as a charm and not...oh, I dunno, AN ILLEGAL CURSE THAT MIND-RAPES THE VICTIM?!?

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* So we're introduced to the Confoundus Charm here, and we get a more in-depth look at in in Half-Blood Prince. But how is it any different from Imperius? They both control the victim,so why is Confoundus a ''charm''? In fact, that makes me think...could a wizard use Confoundus on someone and get away with it because it's classified as a charm and not...oh, I dunno, AN ILLEGAL CURSE THAT MIND-RAPES THE VICTIM?!?VICTIM?!?
** Probably the same way how is legal to give someone several beers but not to use roophinol. Giving licor to a boss when you try to convince him of giving you a raise or trying to hook up with a girl in a bar is not only legal, most people would consider it morally aceptable as far as the person do not lost totally the capacity for consent, whilst roophing someone would be considered rape as the person's consent is totally and absolutly absent.
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27th Feb '17 3:07:23 PM KoolKoopaGirl
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So we're introduced to the Confoundus Charm here, and we get a more in-depth look at in in Half-Blood Prince. But how is it any different from Imperius? They both control the victim,so why is Confoundus a ''charm''? In fact, that makes me think...could a wizard use Confoundus on someone and get away with it because it's classified as a charm and not...oh, I dunno, AN ILLEGAL CURSE THAT MIND-RAPES THE VICTIM?!?
20th Feb '17 11:40:18 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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** Wouldn't Oxford be more appropriate? Anyway, one of the traits Salazar Syltherin valued was a willingness to bend or break rules to one's benefit. Now the sorting hat doesn't place in the exact same manner as the founders, as Salazar only wanted pure bloods but the hat will put half bloods into his house, but Percy, on top of being a goody goody rule follower, is ''also'' a blood traitor. Those two traits may be enough to cancel out his ambition. And hard working as he is, he's more pompous, or brazen, or ''bold'' than you'd expect from Hufflepuff, which combined with Griffindor running in the family probably sealed it.



** Spiders remind of his place because it was his older brothers using a spider to bully him that brought about Ron's fear of spiders. If they ''had'' used, say, a horny toad, that might end up being it, or maybe not because as said, not as many people are afraid of them as spiders, but they still wouldn't scare Ron as much otherwise. Trauma works like that.



** The boggart actually makes Harry see and hear ''more'' of what exactly happened to his parents, continuing what the real dementors started, in addition to the heat and darkness sapping. However, the boggart also isn't capable of flight/gliding, as it "stumbles" when trying to get away from a patronus. So, uh, boggarts are weaker than dementors? I'm guessing they specialize in duplicating the things something did or does to scare, so it can alter the environment and push out feelings like a dementor, but can't actually take a soul in the same way it happens to be ground bound. That the boggart looks like a silvery orb in front of Lupin shows that it's having trouble duplicating the sunlight reflection through atmosphere affect, otherwise it would look orange, yellow or white.



** Expecto Patronum actually WAS designed specifically with driving away Dementors in mind, as far as I know. Driving off Lethifolds simply happens to be a coincidental extra use. Dementors are more common than Lethifolds are anyway, and so it's much more likely that the spell was designed with the former in mind, rather than the latter.

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** Expecto Patronum actually WAS designed specifically with driving away Dementors in mind, as far as I know.know(Lupin says a patronus is an anti demontor). Driving off Lethifolds simply happens to be a coincidental extra use. Dementors are more common than Lethifolds are anyway, and so it's much more likely that the spell was designed with the former in mind, rather than the latter.




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** Well we know they can't become as big as the moon, so there is ''some'' size limit.



** Boggarts don't get ''all'' of the dementor powers, presumably spider and snake boggart get just enough traits to be scary to their target but might lack something like precises reflexes used in hunting.



* Snape once told the students they had to make an antidote because he was going to poison them soon, he's ''not'' a good teacher, which is shown when the average students who struggle in his class suddenly start getting average marks the moment they are under the instruction of someone else...but that doesn't necessarily make Hagrid good. The school has disappearing steps in its stair cases which could easily lead to broke arms or ankles, its inherently dangerous...but that still doesn't mean starting with Hipogryphs was the correct way to go about it. Hagrid was told what exactly what he had did wrong ''even'' though Draco Malfoy's injury really was his own fault. The bewildering thing is that it really should have ended at that. "You had a dumb kid in your class, this is how you organize a curriculum if you want to keep dumb kids from getting hurt, do this next time." There was no reason to execute the hippogriph once it was established it could still be safely handled when approached correctly.



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** My impression was if Pettigrew could pull off a spell like that but be considered "talent less" by Black, that Pettigrew could commit manslaughter of that magnitude but opted to run from Black and spend nine years in hiding, then Black and everyone else he's hiding from must be really hardcore(a little disappointing only a few Death Eaters lived up to the hype)



** I can't remember what was said from the films, but in the book, Lily doesn't say he was acting oddly at all. He said that he 'seemed down', but rationalises it as probably being due the news about the MacKinnons, something she cried all night when she heard about, according to the letter. Harry, who unlike Lily knows that Peter was a cowardly douche, assumes otherwise.
** Also it should be noted that everyone knew Pettigrew (McGonagall, the Marauders) described him as stupid and cowardly, which are poor traits for a spy and would get them caught quickly. Its possible that nobody suspected Pettigrew due to incompetence rather than lack of loyalty

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** I can't remember what was said from the films, but in the book, Lily doesn't say he was acting oddly at all. He said that he 'seemed down', but rationalises it as probably being due the news about the MacKinnons, [=MacKinnons=], something she cried all night when she heard about, according to the letter. Harry, who unlike Lily knows that Peter was a cowardly douche, assumes otherwise.
** Also it should be noted that everyone knew Pettigrew (McGonagall, the Marauders) described him as stupid and cowardly, which are poor traits for a spy and would get them caught quickly. Its possible that nobody suspected Pettigrew due to incompetence [[BeneathSuspicion incompetence]] rather than lack of loyalty



** It removes the C from [=C02=], giving everyone fresh air.



** Uhuh, except that it was ''Sirius'' talking. Makes me wonder if this attitude (which he hardly kept a secret) influenced Peter's decision in any way. Aslo I don't recall Lupin mention bringing Peter in and voucing for him.

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** Uhuh, except that it was ''Sirius'' talking. Makes me wonder if this attitude (which he hardly kept a secret) influenced Peter's decision in any way. Aslo Also I don't recall Lupin mention bringing Peter in and voucing for him.


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** This is the same Malfoy who during a shocking discovery of a heinous attack decided to rush in front of the stunned crowed and shout an ethnic slur and didn't get so much as a stern gesture from any authority figures.
18th Feb '17 1:40:33 PM Hard2break
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** Combining explanations one and two: Hagrid knew [[AxCrazy Macnair]] would be the one to do the execution and chose the simplest and least painless method which was beheading




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** The Sorting Hat takes student's choices into account. Perhaps like Harry, Pettigrew may had been meant for Slytherin but was placed into Gryffindor because he asked




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** Also it should be noted that everyone knew Pettigrew (McGonagall, the Marauders) described him as stupid and cowardly, which are poor traits for a spy and would get them caught quickly. Its possible that nobody suspected Pettigrew due to incompetence rather than lack of loyalty


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** Alternately, Sirius didnt mean for the prank to kill Snape but simply to scare him. Its later mentioned that werewolf fatalities are rare with the survivors of attacks getting infected instead. When Lupin resigns after being outed by Snape his prime concern is that he could have bitten Harry and his friends not that he could have killed him. It's likely Sirius expected two possibilities; worst case scenario, Snape gets bitten and cant tell anyone about Lupin without exposing himself as a werewolf and gets a taste of Lupin's life; best case scenario, Snape gets a near death experience from seeing an angry werewolf and is forbidden by Dumbledore to tell anyone which is pretty much what happened. Plus, Snape would have had his wand with him and could stun Lupin if he saw him.
13th Feb '17 12:58:04 PM Ciara25
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The Shrieking Shack has a reputation for being incredibly haunted - which would work, except that it was explicitly built within living memory, in the seventies. Even with Dumbledore encouraging rumours, and Remus's screams, how was it able to garner such a reputation?
12th Feb '17 3:12:35 PM StFan
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* She had all reasons to expect him to blow her off. After all, he ''didn't'' find an insanely expensive anonymous gift suspicious. And later his main concern was that the stupid women were going to ruin his cool new broom that he "was sure was fine" when he "understood that Sirius Black couldn't have sent him the broom, but she [Prof. McG] didn't". Sorry, but he's an idiot. So what was Hermie supposed to do after he blows her off? Run off to find [=McGonagall=] while praying that Harry manages to scrap together those two braincells of his and restrain from immediately taking the broom for a ride just to "prove" that it's fine, or to have one last ride before it's taken away? Even if he wouldn't have got this idea, I bet you anything Ron would've suggested it. So Hermie did what's right and not what's "cool".

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* She had all reasons to expect him to blow her off. After all, he ''didn't'' find an insanely expensive anonymous gift suspicious. And later his main concern was that the stupid women were going to ruin his cool new broom that he "was sure was fine" when he "understood that Sirius Black couldn't have sent him the broom, but she [Prof. McG] [=McGonagall=]] didn't". Sorry, but he's an idiot. So what was Hermie supposed to do after he blows her off? Run off to find [=McGonagall=] while praying that Harry manages to scrap together those two braincells of his and restrain from immediately taking the broom for a ride just to "prove" that it's fine, or to have one last ride before it's taken away? Even if he wouldn't have got this idea, I bet you anything Ron would've suggested it. So Hermie did what's right and not what's "cool".



** Yes, he would listen. But I want you to (metaphorically) look me in the eye and tell me you honestly believe he would've likely ''agreed'' with her, and if he hadn't and she'd announced her decision to tell McG, then he would've absolutely certainly NOT taken the broom for a ride before it can be tested.

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** Yes, he would listen. But I want you to (metaphorically) look me in the eye and tell me you honestly believe he would've likely ''agreed'' with her, and if he hadn't and she'd announced her decision to tell McG, [=McGonagall=], then he would've absolutely certainly NOT taken the broom for a ride before it can be tested.



** Adding to that, I could ''sort of'' understand the OP's point if the circumstances were different. But it's incredibly foolish of Harry to accept an expensive broomstick that was sent to him anonymously at such a time as when he did. ''No one'' should've had to explain anything to him, because it should've been obvious enough already that Sirius at least might've sent it! But Harry doesnt even consider this until Hermione brings it up to him, and the fact that he (and other members of his Quidditch team) tried to convince [=McGonnagall=] to return the broomstick even after she brought it to his attention shows that she made the right choice.

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** Adding to that, I could ''sort of'' understand the OP's point if the circumstances were different. But it's incredibly foolish of Harry to accept an expensive broomstick that was sent to him anonymously at such a time as when he did. ''No one'' should've had to explain anything to him, because it should've been obvious enough already that Sirius at least might've sent it! But Harry doesnt even consider this until Hermione brings it up to him, and the fact that he (and other members of his Quidditch team) tried to convince [=McGonnagall=] [=McGonagall=] to return the broomstick even after she brought it to his attention shows that she made the right choice.
5th Feb '17 11:18:02 PM Doug86
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** This was already discussed somewhere else but, in general; the Boggart is not Sigmund Freud, it’s a very basic and non-sentient creature that uses telepathy to find out the person’s greatest '''instinctive''' fear. It does not go into complex psychological analysis on the person’s “greatest fear” (I can avoid to think in that episode of GravityFalls when a mirror shows you your worst nightmare and it shows to a Goblin “You have turn into your father”, I mean, is not something like that). The Boggart is non-sentient, it the magical equivalent of a chameleon changing colors. As such is unlikely that would go so deep as to think that a person’s greatest fear is public nudity as is something too complex. If the idea is that if you are afraid of spiders then it shows you a spider because that would cause you immediate panic and rejection and motivate you to run away, then “public nudity” is too abstract as show you naked would make no sense if you are alone (as the Boggart is suppose to attack) and you won’t react with fear to see yourself naked when you are alone, right? \\\
As for the usage of the information with bullies and pranksters well precisely the idea of the class is that you get over your fears so no bully would bully you for being a badass that just confronted the fear and no prank would work because you end be afraid of that once you face it.

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** This was already discussed somewhere else but, in general; the Boggart is not Sigmund Freud, it’s a very basic and non-sentient creature that uses telepathy to find out the person’s greatest '''instinctive''' fear. It does not go into complex psychological analysis on the person’s “greatest fear” "greatest fear" (I can avoid to think in that episode of GravityFalls ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' when a mirror shows you your worst nightmare and it shows to a Goblin “You "You have turn into your father”, father", I mean, is not something like that). The Boggart is non-sentient, it the magical equivalent of a chameleon changing colors. As such is unlikely that would go so deep as to think that a person’s greatest fear is public nudity as is something too complex. If the idea is that if you are afraid of spiders then it shows you a spider because that would cause you immediate panic and rejection and motivate you to run away, then “public nudity” is too abstract as show you naked would make no sense if you are alone (as the Boggart is suppose to attack) and you won’t react with fear to see yourself naked when you are alone, right? \\\
As for the usage of the information with bullies and pranksters well precisely the idea of the class is that you get over your fears so no bully would bully you for being a badass that just confronted the fear and no prank would work because you end be afraid of that once you face it.
29th Jan '17 4:25:20 PM Kalu-chan
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** Also, remember just how much time Sirius spent with Peter. To an outsider, two grayish/brownish rats would probably look the same, just like two roughly same-sized black cats would. Yet I can usually tell the difference between ''my'' black cat and some random other black cat even from a considerable distance, because I saw that kitten grow up. Same thing here, Sirius is so very used to how Rat!Peter looks, he can very easily distinguish him from some normal rat, even from a distance/small picture.
19th Jan '17 2:57:45 PM QuarrelsomeChevon
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*** Also, the only ones who would learn the fears of others from watching the boggart would be students who were already in class, meaning they would have had ''their'' fears exposed, as well. Which allows it to work both ways, and gives the student(s) being bullied a form of leverage.
17th Jan '17 11:36:42 AM Luppercus
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***Fine, then it doesn't work to get over the fears (though certainly helps) but the rest still stands.
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