History Headscratchers / HarryPotterAndThePrisonerOfAzkaban

22nd Apr '18 1:59:38 PM imcesca
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*** This is what makes the most sense, since it’s the only explanation that accounts for the year+ delay in setting up the Fidelius Charm in the first place. Trelawney’s prophecy happened in early summer 1980. Harry and Neville were born that same year, at the end of July. The Potters died on Halloween 1981 and it’s stated that Peter ran to Voldemort as soon as he was made Secret Keeper. That means that either the Potters chose to risk it for over a year, before setting the Charm up, or they set it up as soon as Dumbledore told them about the prophecy and Sirius was Secret Keeper for over a year before proposing the switch.




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** Among the people participating in the little nighttime trek there’s (a) two 12 years olds who despise Snape and believe him to be horribly prejudiced against them and everyone else in the group, (b) a reckless man-child whose long imprisonment did nothing to cure his recklessness and allow him to grow out of his schooldays persona, meaning he still hates Snape’s guts just as much as Snape hates his, (c) a sensible 12 years old and a sensible adult who might have developed a modicum of respect for Snape as a teacher and potion maker, who might in different circumstances consider the benefits of reviving him early, but don’t like him enough to bother thinking about it when the friends they care so much about would presumably oppose the idea. None of them was expecting any more problems in reaching the castle and among the staff the only one who would have attacked the group on sight just because Sirius was within them was Snape himself. Everyone else was either old enough to recognize Peter and work out something major was afoot or sensible enough that Lupin and the kids could reason with them at least as far as summoning Dumbledore.
22nd Apr '18 5:08:30 AM Gess
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** No, she's not. Should've brought that up much sooner - that excuse holds no water at all and needs to die as much as those stupid pumkins[note:the ones McNair smashed with an axe, which somehow proves time travellers cannot change the past, despite that happening ''because'' of them changing the past] do. She's as much a rule breaker as the others, she's just the only one who feels bad and complains about it. She lies, she disrupts lessons, she steals, she lets her friends cheat of her, she cooks illegal potions, she partakes in after-curfew activities. You cannot tell me that after all that she would've suddenly hit a mind block regarding a device that ''had just let her save an innocent man from execution''. Is everyone just ignoring that last part? Some goes for [=McGonagal=]. The potential usefulness of the Time Turner completely offsets any trickery she'd have to undetake to keep the thing in Hermie's hands, up to doing her homework for her. It's simply a matter of priorities.
9th Apr '18 3:28:51 PM H.N.Levian
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** Which cases were these?
5th Apr '18 5:29:48 PM fearlessnikki
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** Well Hermione is a stickler for the rules. And she was only given the Time Turner so she could do the extra classes. She dropped Divination and Muggle Studies because the workload was getting too much for her. So she'd have to tell the teachers she's dropping the classes, which means [=McGonagall=] will know she won't need the Time Turner - and will ask for it back. Hermione probably doesn't have a choice about keeping the Time Turner.


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** Remus does say that the potion is very complicated to make - which is why Snape makes it for him. So it could have been around for longer - it's just that Remus has trouble making it regularly.


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** The magic of the Fidelius Charm does kind of make it only Sirius who could have betrayed them. His story about Peter Pettigrew being the one who betrayed them sounds pretty fantastic. And remember the context; Voldemort had just been defeated and the Ministry were rounding up all the remaining Death Eaters. Sirius was just one of many captured at the same time. And if you think about it, Peter had become something of a martyr for the Wizarding World - due to his apparently tragic death. It's not unreasonable to think that the authorities may have not wanted to believe that a symbol of hope [[BrokenPedestal was actually none of that]] in such dark and horrible times.


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** And who is most likely to use Polyjuice Potion to disguise themselves as Harry and Hermione? Enemies of course. Harry's first assumption is likely to be that this is an enemy - and he's impulsive enough that he could attack them. If he does then it alters the flow of time so that they never discover Sirius was innocent (as this is before they've gone to the Shrieking Shack).


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** Fudge could just be embellishing the story. Little details can get changed or exaggerated in the re-telling. Maybe his clothes did transform with him but someone is just incorrectly remembering bloodstained robes.
** Or more simply, Peter cut off parts of his robes to add to the image.


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** And Snape went down into the Shrieking Shack specifically to confirm that Remus had a secret. Sure he didn't know he was a werewolf but it's clear he was looking for dirt. So yeah - bad Sirius for setting up the prank, bad Snape for putting himself in that position, good James for making sure it didn't get that far.


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** He's thirteen. That's how bullies at that age roll.
2nd Apr '18 3:09:17 AM H.N.Levian
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** No, that's bringing the concept to its logical conclusion, intsted of arbitrarily excluding a reasonable concern that invalidates it. There's nothing inherintly special about humans that should make them "count" exclusively - seeing a person means absorbing the modified light waves reflected from them, and it doesn't matter in the slightest if they're absorbed by the tissues of your eyes or the tissues of the wall. And anyway, this is only the first flaw. As I said, your argument is also present-centric, i.e. you claim that by observing a situation people make it impossible for the time-traveller to change. Except that the reason they observed it a certain way in the first place is the ''consequence'' of the time-traveller's decision to (not) affect it. A time-traveller doesn't change the past - they ''shape'' the past once and for all.

While she missed it because of two things 1)her coursework is catching up with her because she was (talking at this point I think 11 classes she left Divinations before Easter) and 2)during the break (I think) or when they were returning to the castle Draco said something nasty about Hagrid and Hermione not being herself-punched him in the face.

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** No, that's bringing the concept to its logical conclusion, intsted instead of arbitrarily excluding a reasonable concern that invalidates it. There's nothing inherintly inherently special about humans that should make them "count" exclusively - seeing a person means absorbing the modified light waves reflected from them, and it doesn't matter in the slightest if they're absorbed by the tissues of your eyes or the tissues of the wall. And anyway, this is only the first flaw. As I said, your argument is also present-centric, i.e. you claim that by observing a situation people make it impossible for the time-traveller to change. Except that the reason they observed it a certain way in the first place is the ''consequence'' of the time-traveller's decision to (not) affect it. A time-traveller doesn't change the past - they ''shape'' the past once and for all.

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While she missed it because of two things 1)her 1) her coursework is catching up with her because she was (talking at this point I think 11 classes she left Divinations before Easter) and 2)during the break (I think) or when they were returning to the castle Draco said something nasty about Hagrid and Hermione not being herself-punched him in the face. face.
* To put all this more simply: Time-Turners can only go back an maximum of five hours at a time. In a world where Harry and Ron don't tell Hermione she missed the class, Hermione doesn't realize on her own she missed it until after the deadline to go back has already passed. Therefore in a world where they do tell her about it, there's no paradox because either way she couldn't have gone back. But aside from that, yes, time travel in Harry Potter is anthropocentric.
2nd Apr '18 3:02:50 AM H.N.Levian
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*** *Double sigh* You have the benefit of hindsight and knowing that a Time-Turner was involved. The truth is that there are any number of magical ways to induce the appearance of one person being in multiple places at the same time, all of which are equally unlikely to have been done by third-years. Yes, Fudge could have investigated to see if Time-Turners were in use at Hogwarts. But this would have required him to start by promoting the unlikely possibility of Time-Turner involvement to a likelihood, when from his perspective it isn't any more likely than any of the other unlikely possibilities of other magical intervention, and *all* of those explanations are more complicated than "Harry and Hermione couldn't have done it." Fudge wasn't actually taking the idea of Harry and Hermione having been involved seriously, so he didn't stop to run through the odds of each individual outlandish way they could've done it in his mind.
1st Apr '18 2:29:52 AM fearlessnikki
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** Unless I'm mistaken, these events happen in June. At some parts of Britain and Ireland, it can still be light close to eleven o'clock in the evening during the summer. So the moon could only just have properly risen. And they go down to visit Hagrid at around seven, and wake up in the Hospital Wing close to ten (three turns sends Hermione and Harry back to seven). So plausibly the moon could only be just rising.




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** Maybe at first they forgot he hadn't taken the potion. He still transforms but he's harmless. So when he starts they assume there's nothing to worry about, then they go OhCrap.




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** Is it said how late Wormtail's betrayal was? How long had he been passing information? If he betrayed them literally right before the night he went after Harry, there might not have been time for anyone else to know about it. The shoot out between Sirius and Wormtail happened not long after that.
16th Mar '18 3:00:39 PM inspibrain101
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** It's really difficult to tell, because we don't know the exact circumstances under which Sirius told Snape about the Whomping Willow. Perhaps Sirius was double-bluffing. Perhaps Snape ''was'' holding the IdiotBall. Perhaps Sirius was actually malicious and deliberately lured Snape. Perhaps it was a comedy of errors! All we really know is that Snape found out from Sirius, and went, unaware that there was a werewolf underneath. There's just not enough information.
15th Mar '18 10:17:56 AM fearlessnikki
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** The way I read it was that at first Harry wasn't sure if he was just missing Malfoy on the map because Hogwarts has so many students. And the map is magic. It's never said how big it is when it's unfolded. The film does show there being several levels to represent the different floors of Hogwarts.




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** Dumbledore is Headmaster of Hogwarts. Meaning that Voldemort automatically knows where he always is - except during the summer holidays. Sirius and Peter - both unregistered Animagi at that - could be anywhere and can go into hiding much easier.




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** And y'all seem to forget that the Fidelius Charm ''worked''. Their plan was working fine up until Peter made an unknown FaceHeelTurn.
15th Mar '18 5:07:53 AM fearlessnikki
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** Perhaps the Ministry liked the idea? It's shown that Time Turners are studied in the Department of Mysteries, so maybe they liked the idea of giving a student one for the sake of research. With Hermione being a model student and ChildProdigy it makes her almost the perfect candidate. I can imagine some Unspeakables getting excited at the idea of a study being done to see if Time Turners can be used for help with school work.
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