History Headscratchers / HarryPotterAndThePrisonerOfAzkaban

6th Sep '17 1:09:50 PM sugaricequeen
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** Also, he and Lupin were on speaking terms throughout the year they spent teaching together at Hogwarts, with Snape even going out of his way to brew the Wolfsbane potion, so it's clear that he didn't really have any problem with him then. He only tried getting him Kissed and outed him as a werewolf after he found evidence that he'd been helping Sirius get into the school.
6th Sep '17 1:06:29 PM sugaricequeen
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** I don't recall a lot of people being apathetic. I know Sirius was, but that's not really supposed to be a good thing. You'll have to provide examples of when anyone else showed any apathy toward Snape's situation. Even though he never did anything to stop it, Lupin never actually partook in bullying Snape when they were younger, and James (contrary to what Snape thinks) was ''not'' in on the prank and didn't just save Snape because he got cold feet, so Snape doesn't have a good reason to hold grudges over it against either of them. It's extremely petty that he continued to do so even when told by other characters that his view of the events wasn't the way they really happened.
1st Sep '17 9:21:07 PM HalcyonDayz
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* For what it's worth, you could make this argument for the main trio. All three of them are Gryffindor. Probably why the Marauders found each other too. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, the first non-Gryffindor friend Harry gets isn't introduced until GoF.

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* For what it's worth, you could make this argument for the main trio. All three of them are Gryffindor. Probably why the Marauders found each other too. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, the first non-Gryffindor friend Harry gets isn't introduced until GoF.
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* You could argue that Hooch is the worst teacher because she let first years ''unsupervised'' with access to flying brooms, but this is fucking ''Hogwarts''. Pretty much every subject is inherently dangerous - brewing the wrong potion (especially if Snape makes you drink it), Neville somehow switching his own ears with a cactus, every bone in Harry's arm disappearing, falling from great heights during Quidditch, a Mandrake's cry which at the very least leaves you unconscious; not to mention special events like a Basilisk which luckily only Petrifies people left and right but the school is open and Dementors checking the Express and the Triwizard Tournament (which had no age limit before GoF) employing dragons and cockatrice (and none of the champions know beforehand) or even the disappearing stairs. Perhaps Hagrid should have started with something safer (though I understand wanting to draw in people on his first lesson with an interesting creature) but he is hardly the worst teacher - he did taught them the most important thing about Hippogriffs, everyone did as he told them and they didn't get hurt and only Malfoy's usual arrogance wrecked the lesson. If anything, Hagrid is among the better teachers, as unlike Snape or Lockhart or fake!Moody he's neither abusive or incompetent or willing to use an Unforgivable curse on students.

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* You could argue that Hooch is the worst teacher because she let first years ''unsupervised'' with access to flying brooms, but this is fucking ''Hogwarts''. Pretty much every subject is inherently dangerous - brewing the wrong potion (especially if Snape makes you drink it), Neville somehow switching his own ears with a cactus, every bone in Harry's arm disappearing, falling from great heights during Quidditch, a Mandrake's cry which at the very least leaves you unconscious; not to mention special events like a Basilisk which luckily only Petrifies people left and right but the school is open and Dementors checking the Express and the Triwizard Tournament (which had no age limit before GoF) ''[=GoF=]'') employing dragons and cockatrice (and none of the champions know beforehand) or even the disappearing stairs. Perhaps Hagrid should have started with something safer (though I understand wanting to draw in people on his first lesson with an interesting creature) but he is hardly the worst teacher - he did taught them the most important thing about Hippogriffs, everyone did as he told them and they didn't get hurt and only Malfoy's usual arrogance wrecked the lesson. If anything, Hagrid is among the better teachers, as unlike Snape or Lockhart or fake!Moody he's neither abusive or incompetent or willing to use an Unforgivable curse on students.
31st Aug '17 1:33:21 PM NicoleIlieva
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* You could argue that Hooch is the worst teacher because she let first years ''unsupervised'' with access to flying brooms, but this is fucking ''Hogwarts''. Pretty much every subject is inherently dangerous - brewing the wrong potion (especially if Snape makes you drink it), Neville somehow switching his own ears with a cactus, every bone in Harry's arm disappearing, falling from great heights during Quidditch, a Mandrake's cry which at the very least leaves you unconscious; not to mention special events like a monster which Petrifies people left and right and everyone is still present in the school and the Triwizard Tournament (which had no age limit before GoF) employing dragons and cockatrice (and none of the champions know beforehand) or even the disappearing stairs. Perhaps Hagrid should have started with something safer (though I understand wanting to draw in people on his first lesson with an interesting creature) but he is hardly the worst teacher - he did taught them the most important thing about Hippogriffs, everyone did as he told them and they didn't get hurt and only Malfoy's usual arrogance wrecked the lesson. If anything, Hagrid is among the better teachers, as unlike Snape or Lockhart or fake!Moody he's neither abusive or incompetent or willing to use an Unforgivable curse on students.

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* You could argue that Hooch is the worst teacher because she let first years ''unsupervised'' with access to flying brooms, but this is fucking ''Hogwarts''. Pretty much every subject is inherently dangerous - brewing the wrong potion (especially if Snape makes you drink it), Neville somehow switching his own ears with a cactus, every bone in Harry's arm disappearing, falling from great heights during Quidditch, a Mandrake's cry which at the very least leaves you unconscious; not to mention special events like a monster Basilisk which luckily only Petrifies people left and right and everyone is still present in but the school is open and Dementors checking the Express and the Triwizard Tournament (which had no age limit before GoF) employing dragons and cockatrice (and none of the champions know beforehand) or even the disappearing stairs. Perhaps Hagrid should have started with something safer (though I understand wanting to draw in people on his first lesson with an interesting creature) but he is hardly the worst teacher - he did taught them the most important thing about Hippogriffs, everyone did as he told them and they didn't get hurt and only Malfoy's usual arrogance wrecked the lesson. If anything, Hagrid is among the better teachers, as unlike Snape or Lockhart or fake!Moody he's neither abusive or incompetent or willing to use an Unforgivable curse on students.
31st Aug '17 12:48:17 PM NicoleIlieva
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* You could argue that Hooch is the worst teacher because she let first years ''unsupervised'' with access to flying brooms, but this is fucking ''Hogwarts''. Pretty much every subject is inherently dangerous - brewing the wrong potion (especially if Snape makes you drink it), Neville somehow switching his own ears with a cactus, every bone in Harry's arm disappearing, falling from great heights during Quidditch, a Mandrake's cry which at the very least leaves you unconscious; not to mention special events like a monster which Petrifies people left and right and everyone is still present in the school and the Triwizard Tournament (which had no age limit before GoF) employing dragons and cockatrice (and none of the champions know beforehand) or even the disappearing stairs. Perhaps Hagrid should have started with something safer (though I understand wanting to draw in people on his first lesson with an interesting creature) but he is hardly the worst teacher - he did taught them the most important thing about Hippogriffs, everyone did as he told them and they didn't get hurt and only Malfoy's usual arrogance wrecked the lesson. If anything, Hagrid is among the better teachers, as unlike Snape or Lockhart or fake!Moody he's neither abusive or incompetent or willing to use an Unforgivable curse on students.
29th Aug '17 8:43:58 AM NicoleIlieva
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** I always presumed that they could have easily asked McGonagall about Animagus theory as we know that it was covered in the Golden Trio's third year so perhaps the Marauders got the idea from the same class and could ask all sort of questions about it/had homework and list of approved works they could use without McGonagall becoming suspicious. And IMO the transformation seems more concentrated on the willpower and practice of whoever wishes to turn, as opposed to very complex spellwork or potions.

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** I always presumed that they could have easily asked McGonagall [=McGonagall=] about Animagus theory as we know that it was covered in the Golden Trio's third year so perhaps the Marauders got the idea from the same class and could ask all sort of questions about it/had homework and list of approved works they could use without McGonagall [=McGonagall=] becoming suspicious. And IMO the transformation seems more concentrated on the willpower and practice of whoever wishes to turn, as opposed to very complex spellwork or potions. As for how difficult it's supposed to be that Pettigrew and Skeeter mastered it - Pettigrew had help from his friends and being bad at school subjects in general doesn't mean he couldn't have mastered something so complex, and Skeeter is at the very least incredibly driven in her career. And just because something is complex, it's not impossible - the Patronus Charm is fairly hard to do, especially as it requires a sufficiently happy memory to work but we seen plenty of people master it because they want to protect themselves and others - wand movement is not so difficult but you must be in the right state of mind (same as the Unforgivables) and ''that'' can be very hard to master.
29th Aug '17 8:34:18 AM NicoleIlieva
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** I always presumed that they could have easily asked McGonagall about Animagus theory as we know that it was covered in the Golden Trio's third year so perhaps the Marauders got the idea from the same class and could ask all sort of questions about it/had homework and list of approved works they could use without McGonagall becoming suspicious. And IMO the transformation seems more concentrated on the willpower and practice of whoever wishes to turn, as opposed to very complex spellwork or potions.
28th Aug '17 2:53:14 PM Hard2break
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[[folder: He just tried to kill you Snape, get over it]]
* Everyone's reaction to Sirius's prank, just bugs me. So the main characters find out from Lupin and Sirius that when they were students at Hogwarts, Sirius, as a prank sent Snape into the Shrieking Shack where a werewolf!Lupin was lurking, which could've gotten him killed or infected, yet rather than see Sirius as in the wrong, they decide that the victim Snape as the one with issues for failing to get over it. Granted, while having Sirius and Lupin sent to the Dementors to be [[FateWorseThanDeath Kissed]] ''is'' DisproportionateRetribution it's not like Snape doesnt have a justifiable reason to be bitter over nearly dying since Sirius was never punished for it and in Lupin's case, he has no reason to believe that the latter wasnt in on the prank. Even if Sirius didnt intend for Snape to die or be turned, it doesnt change the fact that said prank could've gone horribly wrong with severe consequences for everyone plus Sirius not showing any remorse, yet no one seems to acknowledge that Sirius did anything even when they should. Harry calls Snape pathetic for refusing to listen to Sirius and Lupin, despite earlier deciding that Sirius deserved to have his soul sucked out by Dementors and had been rearing to kill Sirus, and refusing to listen to his story just moments earlier. Hermione calls out the Marauders as reckless for running around the Hogwarts ground when werewolf!Lupin could've easily bitten and infected someone yet when she hears about Sirius ''intentionally'' leading some (Snape) to a lair inhabited by a werewolf, it's just a school prank. Then there's Lupin downplaying Snape's anger as just a schoolboy grudge. Nevermind, that one of his best friends decided to take advantage of his 'condition' to terrify someone he didnt like, which couldve ended in him becoming a killer or at least putting someone in the same hell as him which wouldve also lead to him being outed as a werewolf resulting in being expelled at best and locked up in Azkaban at worst for being too dangerous. Despite this, Lupin is still happy to be friends with Sirius and hasnt been shown to be upset about it. Finally, after Dumbledore is convinced of Sirius's innocence, Snape implores him to remember that Sirius almost getting him killed. His response, "Yeah, yeah I heard you. Now go outside so I can speak to Harry and Hermione." And when mentioned Siriu's list of transgressions, he conveniently leaves out the near-fatal prank. I know Snape's a jerk, but considering how apathetic everyone is to him almost DYING, it's not surprising he'd be bitter.
27th Aug '17 6:25:20 AM jormis29
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** That's some pretty hardcore schools you have there)). I honestly have never seen or heard of anything like that, so I'll take your word for it. But tell me this. Would those schools have their 13-year old students handle an adult ox or horse ''on their first class''? Or would they maybe start with chickens, bunnies and like, then move to calves and ''only then'' to adult cattle? The same with riding lessons. Do they usually start with ponies or unbroken mustangs? The point is, nobody here has a problem with presence of dangerous animals per se - it goes with the subject, we get. But the ''handling'' was completely backwards and unpofessional. Nor was it Hagrid's only or worst failure, mind you. After the Hippogrif incident he instantly falls apart and wastes the rest of the year on some stupid worms. So, what, he didn't have a prepared and approved curriculum, and DD just gave him, a rookie teacher, a carte-blanche to teach whatever he wants however he wants? And the next year he drags students into his unholy ''monster breeding'' experiments. Still "no big deal"? And then there was Grawp. And before that there'd been Norbert. And before that - the Acromantula. All clear indications that Hagrid has very serious issues, and he should not be allowed to bring children and animals together anymore then a pyromaniac should be allowed to arrange fireworks at a birthday party. In other words, Hagrid is [[BobsBurgers Bob Belcher]] of education. He's got passion and affinity, but sorely lacks everything else - discipline, pedagogic skills, academic knowledge and mental capacity. Hell, ''his own students'', including the clearly biased Trio, disown him as their teacher, do we really need to say more?

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** That's some pretty hardcore schools you have there)). I honestly have never seen or heard of anything like that, so I'll take your word for it. But tell me this. Would those schools have their 13-year old students handle an adult ox or horse ''on their first class''? Or would they maybe start with chickens, bunnies and like, then move to calves and ''only then'' to adult cattle? The same with riding lessons. Do they usually start with ponies or unbroken mustangs? The point is, nobody here has a problem with presence of dangerous animals per se - it goes with the subject, we get. But the ''handling'' was completely backwards and unpofessional. Nor was it Hagrid's only or worst failure, mind you. After the Hippogrif incident he instantly falls apart and wastes the rest of the year on some stupid worms. So, what, he didn't have a prepared and approved curriculum, and DD just gave him, a rookie teacher, a carte-blanche to teach whatever he wants however he wants? And the next year he drags students into his unholy ''monster breeding'' experiments. Still "no big deal"? And then there was Grawp. And before that there'd been Norbert. And before that - the Acromantula. All clear indications that Hagrid has very serious issues, and he should not be allowed to bring children and animals together anymore then a pyromaniac should be allowed to arrange fireworks at a birthday party. In other words, Hagrid is [[BobsBurgers [[WesternAnimation/BobsBurgers Bob Belcher]] of education. He's got passion and affinity, but sorely lacks everything else - discipline, pedagogic skills, academic knowledge and mental capacity. Hell, ''his own students'', including the clearly biased Trio, disown him as their teacher, do we really need to say more?
25th Jul '17 1:01:58 PM Rubber_Lotus
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* It should also be noted that the ''House Ghosts'' (possibly on Dumbledore's orders/encouragement) participate in spreading rumors about how badass the Shack is. Having thousand-year-old spirits pass on rumor as unassailable fact ought to do wonders for a reputation.
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