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15th Jan '17 9:38:07 AM nombretomado
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** It's very likely that it isn't a spell, but that such silly-sounding spells exist. They're just very, very inefficient for obvious reasons. When you consider that things like cheese cauldrons have been invented, and that "Peskipicksi Pesternomi" from the second book sounds like a real spell, but does nothing, it's possible that while "sunshine, daisies, butter mellow, turn this stupid, fat rat yellow" is itself not a real spell, other spells with silly incantations do actually exist. Otherwise, Ron wouldn't actually be able to fall for the prank. Wizards are not known to be the most efficient people on Earth, so it wouldn't be a stretch that spells were initially incantations of just full rhyming sentences. It would fit into the lore well enough, and when you consider that it's not unheard of for incantations to be long like that. Hell, we even see one such incantation crop up in the films- the song sung by the "toad choir" is, I believe, a spell from ''{{Macbeth}}''. Oh and also, colour change spells are not practised until sixth year, so Ron was out of his depth even if it was a real spell.

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** It's very likely that it isn't a spell, but that such silly-sounding spells exist. They're just very, very inefficient for obvious reasons. When you consider that things like cheese cauldrons have been invented, and that "Peskipicksi Pesternomi" from the second book sounds like a real spell, but does nothing, it's possible that while "sunshine, daisies, butter mellow, turn this stupid, fat rat yellow" is itself not a real spell, other spells with silly incantations do actually exist. Otherwise, Ron wouldn't actually be able to fall for the prank. Wizards are not known to be the most efficient people on Earth, so it wouldn't be a stretch that spells were initially incantations of just full rhyming sentences. It would fit into the lore well enough, and when you consider that it's not unheard of for incantations to be long like that. Hell, we even see one such incantation crop up in the films- the song sung by the "toad choir" is, I believe, a spell from ''{{Macbeth}}''.''Theatre/{{Macbeth}}''. Oh and also, colour change spells are not practised until sixth year, so Ron was out of his depth even if it was a real spell.
8th Jan '17 11:24:48 AM Fireblood
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** Okay, then perhaps he hadn't to Peeves. Or he was too scared to think clearly when Harry impersonated the Bloody Baron.
8th Jan '17 5:32:59 AM RaustBD
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[[folder: How the hell did an eleven year old impersonate the Bloody Baron]]?

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** No, he speaks, just not on-screen, like Crabbe and Goyle before the 7th book. Nearly Headless Nick mentions talking to him.
7th Jan '17 1:41:48 PM Fireblood
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** It seems to be implied that the Bloody Baron doesn't speak, so Peeves hasn't heard what he sounds like. Harry makes his voice rasping and doesn't let Peeves see him.
7th Jan '17 9:09:42 AM RaustBD
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[[folder: How the hell did an eleven year old impersonate the Bloody Baron]]?
* Towards the end of the book, Harry scares off Peeves by impersonating the Bloody Baron. ''How''? The Bloody Baron is a full grown adult who is seen as incredibly intimidating, and if he managed to be so while still having such an incredibly high pitched voice that a child could impersonate it, surely that would have been mentioned at some point? How did Peeves fall for this?
23rd Dec '16 6:42:23 AM Fireblood
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* Harry states that Petunia is dying some of Dudley old things grey for his new school uniform. But isn't stonewall a public school? Why would they have a uniform?

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* Harry states that Petunia is dying dyeing some of Dudley old things grey for his new school uniform. But isn't stonewall a public school? Why would they have a uniform?
22nd Dec '16 10:28:07 PM QuarrelsomeChevon
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** In Europe a lot of public schools have uniforms.

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** In Europe a lot of public schools have uniforms.uniforms.
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20th Dec '16 6:21:16 PM Fireblood
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[[folder: Stonewall High school uniform]]
* Harry stastates that Petunia is deying some of Dudley old things grey for his new school uniform. But isnt stonewall a public school? Why would they have a uniform?



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[[folder: Stonewall High school uniform]]
* Harry states that Petunia is dying some of Dudley old things grey for his new school uniform. But isn't stonewall a public school? Why would they have a uniform?
** In Europe a lot of public schools have uniforms.
20th Dec '16 10:16:58 AM flyingdren
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[[folder: Stonewall High school uniform]]
* Harry stastates that Petunia is deying some of Dudley old things grey for his new school uniform. But isnt stonewall a public school? Why would they have a uniform?
16th Dec '16 8:49:59 PM QuarrelsomeChevon
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*** I'm questioning the use of terms like "moron" and "appealing to stupidity." The way it's worded makes it sound as though the person writing it thinks of Americans (American children) as stupid morons who have to be talked down to. It's written like a personal opinion, not something the translators thought when they changed the title, and I (the OP) find it offensive.
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