History Headscratchers / HarryPotterAndThePhilosophersStone

27th Sep '16 5:50:44 PM Kassiopeia
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** That...is such a very moving, profound way of summarizing it. I cannot help but salute you, my good sir. (Or ma'am, whichever the case may be.) How very impressive!
25th Sep '16 1:01:32 AM marbehraglaim
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** The exact ages of Snape, Sirius, Remus and Wormtail was very implicit in the books and can only be discerned from details in the later books. In the movies you have to assume they're about a decade older than in the books. Therefore James and Lily Potter would be in their 30s when they died, and their contemporaries would be 40-something by the time Harry enters Hogwarts. The actors playing Sirius, Remus, and Wormtail were in fact around that age, and with a little suspension of disbelief you can accept Rickman in that age range as well. I think this was done in order to cast veteran character actors in the roles, who were likely to be older than their 30s.
24th Sep '16 3:14:25 PM inspibrain101
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** Luna was a year younger than Neville, Harry, etc. She wouldn't have started Hogwarts until Book 2.
22nd Sep '16 5:06:03 PM QuarrelsomeChevon
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* During the school sorting, the book says that Neville '''Longbottom''' ran off to the Gryffindor table without taking off the Sorting Hat, and that he had to bring it back and give it to "'''MacDougal''', Morag." Shouldn't Luna '''Lovegood''' have been sorted in between them?

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* During the school sorting, the book says that Neville '''Longbottom''' ran off to the Gryffindor table without taking off the Sorting Hat, and that he had to bring it back and give it to "'''MacDougal''', "'''[=MacDougal=]''', Morag." Shouldn't Luna '''Lovegood''' have been sorted in between them?
22nd Sep '16 1:17:07 PM QuarrelsomeChevon
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* During the school sorting, the book says that Neville '''Longbottom''' ran off to the Gryffindor table without taking off the Sorting Hat, and that he had to bring it back and give it to "'''MacDougal''', Morag." Shouldn't Luna '''Lovegood''' have been sorted in between them?
15th Sep '16 2:05:03 PM QuarrelsomeChevon
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*** ^ Did you write that based on what you think, or what you think the people who translated it think? The way it's put down makes it sound like you're calling Americans stupid, moronic idiots because we supposedly don't know what a philosopher's stone is. I hope that's not what you meant by it, and that you were just stating your guess as to ''their'' opinion, because it's an incredibly rude and insensitive thing to say otherwise.
5th Sep '16 5:30:45 PM Garrman5000
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** That actually fits with HP as a coming of age story. In the first book Harry is entirely at the mercy of his aunt and Uncle who are callous and abusive and fantasizes about escaping them. By the last book when they no longer have power over him he can see them for what they really are: A woman bitter that she couldn't live her sister's life, and maybe sad she couldn't make peace with Lily, and a close minded old man who is agitated by the way Harry's presence upsets his wife. It stands in contrast to Thomas Riddles hang ups about his own family.
5th Sep '16 5:08:06 PM Garrman5000
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** I think there's a bit of misunderstanding about banks here. Banks have never made loans by literally taking money out of a person's personal account to give to a debtor. Even hundreds of years ago, banks were writing checks to one another, backed by their reputations, to represent the exchange of balances in their accounts and credit extended. Gringott's being the premier wizarding bank could easily be facilitating investment by simply shuffling money between vaults as instructed by a never ending stream of paper checks and accounting ledgers. It would make sense seeing as it would suit the sort of victorian aesthetic of the wealthy pureblood families banking on reputations. But that's kind of beyond the scope of HP's story.
5th Sep '16 4:20:53 PM Garrman5000
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** It could simply be that building everything out of magic is regarded as impractical. In fact Wizards, like Muggles, probably use their tools (magic) to construct fairly mundane structures and then make them more functional with various installations (enchantments)as needed because that's simply the cheapest way to get a good comfortable house or shop or school built.


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** For most of human history artchitects and engineers were trained in something more like a master apprentice system rather than in university. It works well enough for some fields. Wizards might also contract out to more mechanically minded beings for their construction work.
30th Aug '16 5:02:02 PM Gagaga_Madness
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** Two things about this. First is that Snape told Dumbledore in DH "Prince's Tale" chapter that Voldemort intended to kill all three Potters, including Lily. This is why Snape wanted to protect Lily from Voldemort so the argument that Voldemort didn't intend to kill Lily is incorrect. He simply gave her a choice at the time, though whether he would have kept her alive is unknown. Second is that the same sacrifical protection was given to the Order and DA members who were fighting the DEs in DH after Harry sacrificed himself, in part, for them and I am pretty sure Harry was not given any choice to live or die.

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** Two things about this. First is that Snape told Dumbledore in DH "Prince's Tale" chapter that Voldemort intended to kill all three Potters, including Lily. This is why Snape wanted to protect Lily from Voldemort so the argument that Voldemort didn't intend to kill Lily is incorrect. He simply gave her a choice at the time, though whether he would have kept her alive is unknown. Second is that the same sacrifical protection was given to the Order and DA members who were fighting the DEs [=DEs=] in DH after Harry sacrificed himself, in part, for them and I am pretty sure Harry was not given any choice to live or die.



** This, and Dumbledore probably didn't tell anyone he was leaving Hogwarts in any case. They didn't want Harry's location to be generally known any sooner than necessary, in case the remaining DEs found some way to circumvent the protections he'd had at the Dursleys'.

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** This, and Dumbledore probably didn't tell anyone he was leaving Hogwarts in any case. They didn't want Harry's location to be generally known any sooner than necessary, in case the remaining DEs [=DEs=] found some way to circumvent the protections he'd had at the Dursleys'.



** Maybe the BoneFleshBlood ritual only gives you a half functioning body; maybe Voldy would have remained in the form of a weird foetus, or a slightly improved but still Gollum-like version, had he not used Harry's blood. It's probably not that easy to come back from the afterlife. And maybe it took Voldemort that long to realize he needed the blood of that particular enemy, and the lily-power-of-love living inside, because he wasn't ready to acknowledge the importance of such a preposterous power. Word of God [[http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/faq_view.cfm?id=122 does imply]] that Lily's love played a great role in Voldemort's second lifeform and resurrection. So, the Stone would have been his only reasonable option in 1991.

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** Maybe the BoneFleshBlood Bone-Flesh-Blood ritual only gives you a half functioning body; maybe Voldy would have remained in the form of a weird foetus, or a slightly improved but still Gollum-like version, had he not used Harry's blood. It's probably not that easy to come back from the afterlife. And maybe it took Voldemort that long to realize he needed the blood of that particular enemy, and the lily-power-of-love living inside, because he wasn't ready to acknowledge the importance of such a preposterous power. Word of God [[http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/faq_view.cfm?id=122 does imply]] that Lily's love played a great role in Voldemort's second lifeform and resurrection. So, the Stone would have been his only reasonable option in 1991.



** We eventually find out in DeathlyHallows that Dumbledore already suspected Quirrell. Perhaps Quirrell and Voldemort knew that Dumbledore was on to them and decided that it would be unsafe to attempt to steal the stone while he was in the castle. Dumbledore did seem to know exactly where to go as soon as he realized his summons to the Ministry were forged.

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** We eventually find out in DeathlyHallows Deathly Hallows that Dumbledore already suspected Quirrell. Perhaps Quirrell and Voldemort knew that Dumbledore was on to them and decided that it would be unsafe to attempt to steal the stone while he was in the castle. Dumbledore did seem to know exactly where to go as soon as he realized his summons to the Ministry were forged.



** Nah, it only means that the Ministery agents were (big surprise) incredibly inept, incoherent, incompetent and inimaginative imbeciles who forgot that other fighting techniques exist, besides Stupefy-spam: summoning things like chains or ropes, levitating things and turning them into projectiles, transfiguring or vanishing ground beneath the enemy's feet and so on -- Hagrid's resistance should've by all means meant nothing against a half-decent opponent. No, the only sensible reason to send Hagrid after the stone was exactly the same as have him doing everything else -- he's conspicous and [[ObfusctaingStupidity seemingly dim]]. It was like semaphoring "We're moving the Stone to Hogwarts" (how else would V know that it was there and not, say, in the Department of Mysteries?), which was exactly what DD needed -- to lure V into the school for his little game.

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** Nah, it only means that the Ministery agents were (big surprise) incredibly inept, incoherent, incompetent and inimaginative imbeciles who forgot that other fighting techniques exist, besides Stupefy-spam: summoning things like chains or ropes, levitating things and turning them into projectiles, transfiguring or vanishing ground beneath the enemy's feet and so on -- Hagrid's resistance should've by all means meant nothing against a half-decent opponent. No, the only sensible reason to send Hagrid after the stone was exactly the same as have him doing everything else -- he's conspicous and [[ObfusctaingStupidity [[ObfuscatingStupidity seemingly dim]]. It was like semaphoring "We're moving the Stone to Hogwarts" (how else would V know that it was there and not, say, in the Department of Mysteries?), which was exactly what DD needed -- to lure V into the school for his little game.



** Actually, in Deathly Hallows, when Harry, Hermione and Ron arrive in Hogsmeade and set off the alarm the responding Death Eaters make an attempt to summon the invisibility cloak, which fails spectacularly with not even a flutter from the cloak. I think the cloak is immune to external impetus while worn, but can be 'perceived' through. Invisibility is not inaudibility, as proven again and again throughout the series, nor does it render you odorless. It simply makes you invisible. According to other books, most invisibility objects (cloaks, bags, and othersuch) are made from the fur of a certain magical creature that can turn invisible when threatened. The Peverell Cloak may just be a radical new design that no one ever figured out and which the original maker (the Peverell brother himself) didn't leave instructions for lying around for people to study and copy. Of course Mrs. Norris could perceive through it, cats have incredibly powerful senses of smell and hearing, she could probably hear Harry's heartbeat and his bones rubbing together whilst also smelling him and the cloak itself. The real advantage of the cloak is that while wearing it, even the Human Revealing Charm won't work unless you are in a position where, without a wall/floor you would already be able to see the person to some degree. Still, though, the CLoak itself is by no means perfect, it's simply very, very good.

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** Actually, in Deathly Hallows, when Harry, Hermione and Ron arrive in Hogsmeade and set off the alarm the responding Death Eaters make an attempt to summon the invisibility cloak, which fails spectacularly with not even a flutter from the cloak. I think the cloak is immune to external impetus while worn, but can be 'perceived' through. Invisibility is not inaudibility, as proven again and again throughout the series, nor does it render you odorless. It simply makes you invisible. According to other books, most invisibility objects (cloaks, bags, and othersuch) are made from the fur of a certain magical creature that can turn invisible when threatened. The Peverell Cloak may just be a radical new design that no one ever figured out and which the original maker (the Peverell brother himself) didn't leave instructions for lying around for people to study and copy. Of course Mrs. Norris could perceive through it, cats have incredibly powerful senses of smell and hearing, she could probably hear Harry's heartbeat and his bones rubbing together whilst also smelling him and the cloak itself. The real advantage of the cloak is that while wearing it, even the Human Revealing Charm won't work unless you are in a position where, without a wall/floor you would already be able to see the person to some degree. Still, though, the CLoak Cloak itself is by no means perfect, it's simply very, very good.



** FridgeBrilliance #3. Wizards [[ArtisticFailLogic don't pay much heed to logic]], what with [[MagicVersusScience magic being an antithesis to science]] and all.

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** FridgeBrilliance #3. Wizards [[ArtisticFailLogic [[AWizardDidIt don't pay much heed to logic]], what with [[MagicVersusScience magic being an antithesis to science]] and all.



** Again, there is more than a small difference between a Latin-esque (or even Hawaiian) 1-2 word incantation and a ten-word-long rhyming poem. Again, I might be able to fool an 11-year-old into thinking I can play an Xbox game on the PC (Hey, they're both made by Microsoft!), but tell them to stick a Super Nintendo cartridge into Wii and they'll know you're BSing them. Especially when you know for a fact that the people who told you are pranksters. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me for years while growing up and still manage to pull an obvious one on me, shame doesn't even cover it, Ron.

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** Again, there is more than a small difference between a Latin-esque (or even Hawaiian) 1-2 word incantation and a ten-word-long rhyming poem. Again, I might be able to fool an 11-year-old into thinking I can play an Xbox game on the PC (Hey, they're both made by Microsoft!), but tell them to stick a Super Nintendo cartridge into Wii and they'll know you're BSing BS-ing them. Especially when you know for a fact that the people who told you are pranksters. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me for years while growing up and still manage to pull an obvious one on me, shame doesn't even cover it, Ron.



** So RealityIsUnrealist, except it's not reality. Canon is unrealistic?

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** So RealityIsUnrealist, RealityIsUnrealistic, except it's not reality. Canon is unrealistic?



** I think the issue here is that your theory hinges on a lot. How could Dumbeldore have used the same tail feather of the same phoenix that provided its tail feather for Voldy's wand? Phoenixes only give one tail feather and we know, despite popular theory, that Fawkes was not that Phoenix. So Dumbledore hunted down that particular Phoenix and plucked a feather aganst it's will? Plus Dumbeledore himself was surprised at the wands connecting in GoF. So I don't think it was something he was thinking about or did on purpose. The most plausible reason really is that it was all just coincidence, or fate.

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** I think the issue here is that your theory hinges on a lot. How could Dumbeldore have used the same tail feather of the same phoenix that provided its tail feather for Voldy's wand? Phoenixes only give one tail feather and we know, despite popular theory, that Fawkes was not that Phoenix. So Dumbledore hunted down that particular Phoenix and plucked a feather aganst it's will? Plus Dumbeledore himself was surprised at the wands connecting in GoF.[=GoF=]. So I don't think it was something he was thinking about or did on purpose. The most plausible reason really is that it was all just coincidence, or fate.
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