History Headscratchers / HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallowsWandDisarmament

22nd Aug '17 8:18:09 AM sugaricequeen
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** The Elder Wand, meanwhile, is a special case, as it seems to work on an ExactWords/LoopholeAbuse type of deal. The oldest brother in the tale asked for a wand that was unbeatable, and would always win duels for its master - because of this, the wand, while still more powerful than most others, is designed to just switch to the allegiance of whoever wins a duel, rather than guarantee that the one wielding it now ''will'' be the winner.

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** The Elder Wand, meanwhile, is a special case, as it seems to work on an ExactWords/LoopholeAbuse ExactWords / LoopholeAbuse type of deal. The oldest brother in the tale asked for a wand that was unbeatable, and would always win duels for its master - because of this, the wand, while still more powerful than most others, is designed to just switch to the allegiance of whoever wins a duel, rather than guarantee that the one wielding it now ''will'' be the winner.
22nd Aug '17 8:17:23 AM sugaricequeen
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** The Elder Wand, meanwhile, is a special case, as it seems to work on an [[ExactWords]]/[[LoopholeAbuse]] type of deal. The oldest brother in the tale asked for a wand that was unbeatable, and would always win duels for its master - because of this, the wand, while still more powerful than most others, is designed to just switch to the allegiance of whoever wins a duel, rather than guarantee that the one wielding it now ''will'' be the winner.

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** The Elder Wand, meanwhile, is a special case, as it seems to work on an [[ExactWords]]/[[LoopholeAbuse]] ExactWords/LoopholeAbuse type of deal. The oldest brother in the tale asked for a wand that was unbeatable, and would always win duels for its master - because of this, the wand, while still more powerful than most others, is designed to just switch to the allegiance of whoever wins a duel, rather than guarantee that the one wielding it now ''will'' be the winner.
22nd Aug '17 8:16:50 AM sugaricequeen
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** The Elder Wand, meanwhile, is a special case, as it seems to work on an [[ExactWords]]/[[LoopholeAbuse]] type of deal. The oldest brother in the tale asked for a wand that was unbeatable, and would always win duels for its master - because of this, the wand, while still more powerful than most others, is designed to just switch to the allegiance of whoever wins a duel, rather than guarantee that the one wielding it now ''will'' be the winner.
8th Aug '17 9:43:33 PM sugaricequeen
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** Stealing someone's wand doesn't guarantee that it will completely accept you as its new master - it depends on the type of wand, and specifically its core. Some wands choose one witch or wizard and won't function nearly as well or at all in the hands of another. Each and every one is unique.
15th Oct '16 4:08:14 PM tafelshrew
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* If the wand chooses the wizard, and it's meant to be this special mystical bond (as implied by Ollivander going on about different wand affinities to their owners), how come stealing someone's wand transfers all its loyalty? The wand chooses the wizard until its choice is overpowered and then it just goes with whoever's stronger? The Elder Wand doesn't seem to have any choice in the climax; it just gets passed unknowingly from wizard to wizard until it finally ends up in the same room as its actual master.
1st Oct '16 12:35:30 AM Luppercus
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*** Mrs. Norris is a cat, she could be smelling Harry, not seeing him (I don’t remember exactly if the book actually states she sees him, is more like that she notices him, that considering cats more developed sense of smell and ear is not hard to believe). And even if she saw him under the cloak, it is possible that certain animals can see through the cloak as it was something design to hide you so maybe the creator has to say, when casting the charm: “this cloak will make me invisible from humans, dementors, giants, dragons [add everything that can harm you]” and he didn’t include domestic cats for obvious reasons. Actually now that I think about it, doesn’t Hermione’s cat also seem to perceive people under the cloak? This would add to the theory that cats’ eyes can see though the cloak for whatever reason.

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*** Mrs. Norris is a cat, she could be smelling Harry, not seeing him (I don’t remember exactly if the book actually states she sees him, is more like that she notices him, that considering cats cats' more developed sense of smell and ear is not hard to believe). And even if she saw him under the cloak, it is possible that certain animals can see through the cloak as it was something design to hide you so maybe the creator has to say, when casting the charm: “this cloak will make me invisible from humans, dementors, giants, dragons [add everything that can harm you]” and he didn’t include domestic cats for obvious reasons. Actually now that I think about it, doesn’t Hermione’s cat also seem to perceive people under the cloak? This would add to the theory that cats’ eyes can see though the cloak for whatever reason.
1st Oct '16 12:33:57 AM Luppercus
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***Mrs. Norris is a cat, she could be smelling Harry, not seeing him (I don’t remember exactly if the book actually states she sees him, is more like that she notices him, that considering cats more developed sense of smell and ear is not hard to believe). And even if she saw him under the cloak, it is possible that certain animals can see through the cloak as it was something design to hide you so maybe the creator has to say, when casting the charm: “this cloak will make me invisible from humans, dementors, giants, dragons [add everything that can harm you]” and he didn’t include domestic cats for obvious reasons. Actually now that I think about it, doesn’t Hermione’s cat also seem to perceive people under the cloak? This would add to the theory that cats’ eyes can see though the cloak for whatever reason.
29th Apr '16 3:52:01 AM whendidthesuncomeup?
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*** What I don't understand is how Grindelwald became the Elder Wand's master in the first place. He stole it from the previous owner, sure, but he never defeated him in a duel, and didn't kill him, as Voldemort did that decades later. He merely... took it. From like, his beside table, or something. Why did the Elder Wand decide that was enough for ownership? Some people think it's weird that Dumbledore was able to defeat Grindelwald despite being against the legendary wand that supposedly made it's owner invincible, or whatever. But if the wand never actually belonged to Grindelwald in the first place... The Elder Wand could have just been desperate for a true master, and happily accepted Dumbledore the first chance it got.
28th Feb '15 4:15:50 AM Lenoxus
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***** One way of looking at it that combines both: Perhaps all the wand-related events prior to the last book are consistent with the "rules", either because genuine "defeat" hadn't occurred before, or because the Elder Wand is special. However, it might have been better for Elder-Wand-y-type rules to be sprinkled throughout the story — for example, by having a friednly-fight disarmed wand always be returned to its owner in some kind of official "i give you your wand" ceremony, or by having Harry's wand do less well for him ever since some Death Eater or other had disarmed it in the Department of Mysteries.
15th Oct '14 10:12:12 AM beneficii
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** What I wonder is why Voldemort even thought it necessary to kill what he viewed as a loyal and very useful servant to gain mastership of the Elder Wand. By that time he understood that the Elder Wand had transferred its mastership from Grindelwald to Dumbledore, without the former's death, instead merely via the former's defeat in a duel with the latter. (Hey, Voldemort knew Grindelwald was still alive during the time Dumbledore had mastery of the Elder Wand, as he had visited and murdered him in prison after Dumbledore's death.) Voldemort should have understood from that that killing the master was unnecessary: Only defeating in a duel them was.
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