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*** Oh, and Dolarhyde's grandma threatened to castrate him because he kept shitting himself as a kid ([[SarcasmMode nice lady]]), so yet more evidence that it might be Dolarhyde.
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** "Why would he help you catch himself" could apply to Lecter, who actually ''is'' doing just that. For Graham and Sherlock, the Feds / police believe that they simply "slipped up" and made a mistake, which is how Hannibal himself is likely to be beaten, except with Hannibal it will be for real. And WordOfGod suggests that Jack Crawford isn't totally convinced and is going to dig deeper.
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** Of course, its entirely possible that he ''didn't'' and the Feds fingered the wrong man. In which case the real killer is likely either Hannibal (he was playing with Will's fishhooks earlier; the killings are done in the style of the Chesapeake Ripper- who of course is Lecter- minus the "surgical trophies"; and it was suggested- i shot down- that the killer was mocking Christianity, which Lecter is apt to do); or even Francis Dolarhyde (he is "transforming" his victims, which is what Dolarhyde did / will do; the hallucination of the "Angel Maker" even says something like "receive my majesty" which is something Dolarhyde said; the killer is said to be religious, and Dolarhyde was abuse by his [[TheFundamentalist fundamentalist]] grandmother - and thinks he is turning into the Devil; also, WordOfGod is that we see some of Dolarhyde's "early work" in this season; also whoever did these murders, esp. the last two- counting the Angel Maker, if he is innocent-, is likely very strong, as Dolarhyde is, to position them like that). At no point do we actually see the man commit any murders, and his ex-wife says he wasn't particularly religious and was surprised at being asked. We also see a homeless guy when the "Angel Maker" sees the security guard but he disappears when the body is discovered (though that is where the AM's...[[GroinAttack you know]]...is found, where the homeless guy was sitting) so its possible that he was the murderer in disguise. The Angel Maker is probably involved in some way, but he might not be the killer.
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# We see Tobias use pathetic, desperate left handed punches as a final option after the break. Does Hannibal mention this? We don't know. If so, it weakens his statement further, because he should have known to restrain Tobias in some fashion and call the police. We know he didn't do a citizen's arrest because of his bloodlust. Let's just assume for his sake that he didn't bring that detail up.
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* While the confrontation between Hannibal and Tobias is undeniably an AwesomeMoment, [[FridgeLogic when you think about the subsequent investigation]] it would seem to be as [[PlotHole holey]] as the episode's namesake. This kicks in from the moment Lecter breaks Tobias's right arm on the ladder. His full statement to the police/FBI would be something like: "I was providing my weekly therapy session to Franklin. During the break I excused myself to get a glass of water. On my return I was horrified to find Tobias standing over Franklin's corpse, proudly proclaiming that he snapped his neck. He then attacked me with a set of steel strings as a whip, then a glass stool and subsequently stabbed me in the thigh with my pen opener. I did everything in my power to defend myself but he started to overpower me with punches, kicks and knee strikes. Fearing for my life I was forced to break his arm, at which point he yelled in agony, stumbling back against the table and knocking the statue onto his head. He died instantly, and I proceeded to contact the authorities.". Fair enough. But it doesn't really stand up.
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* While the confrontation between Hannibal and Tobias is undeniably an AwesomeMoment, [[FridgeLogic when you think about the subsequent investigation]] it would seem to be as [[PlotHole holey]] as the episode's namesake. This kicks in from the moment Lecter breaks Tobias's Tobias' right arm on the ladder. His full statement to the police/FBI would be something like: "I was providing my weekly therapy session to Franklin. During the break I excused myself to get a glass of water. On my return I was horrified to find Tobias standing over Franklin's corpse, proudly proclaiming that he snapped his neck. He then attacked me with a set of steel strings as a whip, then a glass stool and subsequently stabbed me in the thigh with my pen opener. I did everything in my power to defend myself but he started to overpower me with punches, kicks and knee strikes. Fearing for my life I was forced to break his arm, at which point he yelled in agony, stumbling back against the table and knocking the statue onto his head. He died instantly, and I proceeded to contact the authorities.". Fair enough. But it doesn't really stand up.
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# To break Tobias' arm backwards, the police know Lecter would either have to have done martial arts, have used a weapon, or both, his surgical experience nonwithstanding. Does he make up a story about Jujitsu? Has he actually studied an art, and can the police verify this? The self defence argument is always wobbly. More so if he confesses that he used the ladder for the rope-a-dope break. That has to look very suspicious and manipulative to the law.
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# More forensics: we see him snapping Franklin's neck bare handed. He'd have to dust down his prints on the head and the jaw and then use Tobias dead hands for prints to take the blame. Difficult, considering they died at different parts of the room and what with having to move one of the bodies over to the other (and back?!).
* Also in Fromage, how does Tobias overcome two armed police officers in the space of about 30 seconds (while Will is outside) and murder them both? Yes he's a BadAss and a SmugSnake, but regardless. Of course Hannibal managed it in TSOTL but we actually '''saw''' how he pulled that off. To be fair, given Will's mental state its possible he spent longer than the scene suggests investigating the audio hallucination, but still. The nature of their deaths is fairly elaborate.
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# More forensics: we see him snapping Franklin's neck bare handed. He'd have to dust down his prints on the head and the jaw and then use Tobias dead hands for prints to take the blame. Difficult, considering they died at different parts of the room and what with having to move one of the bodies over to the other (and back?!).
* Also in Fromage, how does Tobias overcome two armed police officers in the space of about 30 seconds (while Will is outside) and murder them both? Yes he's a BadAss and a SmugSnake, but regardless. Of course Hannibal managed it in TSOTL but we actually '''saw''' how he pulled that off. To be fair, given Will's mental state its possible he spent longer than the scene suggests investigating the audio hallucination, but still. The nature of their deaths is fairly elaborate.
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# To break Tobias' arm backwards, the police know Lecter would either have to have done martial arts, have used a weapon, or both, his surgical experience nonwithstanding. It wasn't just a simple strike, and he knows that the investigation team will see this. Does he make up a story about Jujitsu? Has he actually studied an art, and can the police verify this? The self defence argument is always wobbly.wobbly, even in extreme circumstances such as this. More so if he confesses that he used the ladder for the rope-a-dope break. That has to look very suspicious and manipulative to the law.
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back?!). He had better not mention the termination of Franklin's therapy!
* Also in Fromage, how does Tobias overcome two armed police officers in the space of about 30 seconds (while Will is outside) and murder them both? Yes he's a BadAss and a SmugSnake, but regardless. Of course Hannibal managed it in TSOTL but we actually '''saw''' how he pulled that off. To be fair, given Will's mental state its possible he spent longer outside than the scene suggests investigating the audio hallucination, but still. The nature of their deaths is fairly elaborate.
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# We see Tobias use pathetic, desperate left handed punches as a final option after the break. Does Hannibal mention this? We don't know. If so, it weakens his statement further, because he should have known to restrain Tobias in some fashion and call the police. We know he didn't because of his bloodlust. Let's just assume for his sake that he didn't bring that detail up.
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* Also in Fromage, how does Tobias overcome two armed police officers in the space of about 30 seconds (while Will is outside) and murder them both? Yes he's a BadAss and a SmugSnake, but regardless. Of course Hannibal managed it in TSOTL but we actually '''saw''' how he pulled that off. To be fair, given Will's mental state its possible he spent longer outside than the scene suggests investigating the audio hallucination, but still. The nature of their deaths is fairly elaborate.
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* While the confrontation between Hannibal and Tobias is undeniably an AwesomeMoment, [[FridgeLogic when you think about the subsequent investigation]] it would seem to be as [[PlotHole holey]] as the episode's namesake. This kicks in from the moment Lecter breaks Tobias's right arm on the ladder. His full statement to the police/FBI would be something like: "I was providing my weekly therapy session to Franklin. During the break I excused myself to get a glass of water. On my return I was horrified to find Tobias standing over Franklin's corpse, proudly proclaiming that he snapped his neck. He then attacked me with a set of steel strings as a whip, then a stool and subsequently stabbed me in the thigh with my pen opener. I did everything in my power to defend myself but he started to overpower me with punches and knee strikes. Fearing for my life I was forced to break his arm, at which point he yelled in agony, stumbling back against the table and knocking the statue onto his head. He died instantly, and I proceeded to contact the authorities.". Fair enough. But it doesn't really stand up.
* Also in Fromage, how does Tobias overcome two armed police officers in the space of about 30 seconds (while Will is outside) and murder them both? Of course Hannibal managed it in TSOTL but we actually '''saw''' how he pulled that off. To be fair, given Will's mental state its possible he spent longer than the scene suggests investigating the audio hallucination, but still. The nature of their deaths is fairly elaborate.
* Also in Fromage, how does Tobias overcome two armed police officers in the space of about 30 seconds (while Will is outside) and murder them both? Of course Hannibal managed it in TSOTL but we actually '''saw''' how he pulled that off. To be fair, given Will's mental state its possible he spent longer than the scene suggests investigating the audio hallucination, but still. The nature of their deaths is fairly elaborate.
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* While the confrontation between Hannibal and Tobias is undeniably an AwesomeMoment, [[FridgeLogic when you think about the subsequent investigation]] it would seem to be as [[PlotHole holey]] as the episode's namesake. This kicks in from the moment Lecter breaks Tobias's right arm on the ladder. His full statement to the police/FBI would be something like: "I was providing my weekly therapy session to Franklin. During the break I excused myself to get a glass of water. On my return I was horrified to find Tobias standing over Franklin's corpse, proudly proclaiming that he snapped his neck. He then attacked me with a set of steel strings as a whip, then a glass stool and subsequently stabbed me in the thigh with my pen opener. I did everything in my power to defend myself but he started to overpower me with punches punches, kicks and knee strikes. Fearing for my life I was forced to break his arm, at which point he yelled in agony, stumbling back against the table and knocking the statue onto his head. He died instantly, and I proceeded to contact the authorities.". Fair enough. But it doesn't really stand up.
# Forensically, the police should see through this. There's a shot of Tobias kneeling over, stunned and gasping for breath after the larynx strike Lecter gave him. He gets brained by the statue, and lies contorted on his side, towards his ''front''. How would this be possible if he fell ''back'' against the statue? Further, when Hannibal tips the table over, it seems a little too far for it to have fallen on him; Tobias is a few feet away from the wall.
# To break Tobias' arm backwards, the police know Lecter would either have to have done martial arts, have used a weapon, or both, his surgical experience nonwithstanding. Does he make up a story about Jujitsu? Has he actually studied an art, and can the police verify this? The self defence argument is always wobbly. More so if he confesses that he used the ladder for the rope-a-dope break. That has to look very suspicious and manipulative to the law.
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# More forensics: we see him snapping Franklin's neck bare handed. He'd have to dust down his prints on the head and the jaw and then use Tobias dead hands for prints to take the blame. Difficult, considering they died at different parts of the room and what with having to move one of the bodies over to the other (and back?!).
* Also in Fromage, how does Tobias overcome two armed police officers in the space of about 30 seconds (while Will is outside) and murder them both? Yes he's a BadAss and a SmugSnake, but regardless. Of course Hannibal managed it in TSOTL but we actually '''saw''' how he pulled that off. To be fair, given Will's mental state its possible he spent longer than the scene suggests investigating the audio hallucination, but still. The nature of their deaths is fairly elaborate.
# Forensically, the police should see through this. There's a shot of Tobias kneeling over, stunned and gasping for breath after the larynx strike Lecter gave him. He gets brained by the statue, and lies contorted on his side, towards his ''front''. How would this be possible if he fell ''back'' against the statue? Further, when Hannibal tips the table over, it seems a little too far for it to have fallen on him; Tobias is a few feet away from the wall.
# To break Tobias' arm backwards, the police know Lecter would either have to have done martial arts, have used a weapon, or both, his surgical experience nonwithstanding. Does he make up a story about Jujitsu? Has he actually studied an art, and can the police verify this? The self defence argument is always wobbly. More so if he confesses that he used the ladder for the rope-a-dope break. That has to look very suspicious and manipulative to the law.
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# More forensics: we see him snapping Franklin's neck bare handed. He'd have to dust down his prints on the head and the jaw and then use Tobias dead hands for prints to take the blame. Difficult, considering they died at different parts of the room and what with having to move one of the bodies over to the other (and back?!).
* Also in Fromage, how does Tobias overcome two armed police officers in the space of about 30 seconds (while Will is outside) and murder them both? Yes he's a BadAss and a SmugSnake, but regardless. Of course Hannibal managed it in TSOTL but we actually '''saw''' how he pulled that off. To be fair, given Will's mental state its possible he spent longer than the scene suggests investigating the audio hallucination, but still. The nature of their deaths is fairly elaborate.
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* How will setting the series in the modern day affect Lecter's backstory? Bryan Fuller has mentioned that this Lecter ''is'' still Lithuanian, but has also said this series has a kind of "J.J. Abrams-style alternate universe storytelling" to justify the fact that the character of Count Robert Lecter, killed by the Nazis in the books, is alive and will factor into Season 2. My best guess would be the writers will update the invaders from the Nazis to the Soviets. As many Baltics have said, the countries just keep being "liberated" over and over again by hostile regimes.
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* How will setting the series in the modern day affect Lecter's backstory? Bryan Fuller has mentioned that this Lecter ''is'' still Lithuanian, but has also said this series has a kind of "J.J. Abrams-style alternate universe storytelling" to justify the fact that the character of Count Robert Lecter, killed by the Nazis in the books, is alive and will factor into Season 2. My best guess would be the writers will update the invaders from the Nazis to the Soviets. As many Baltics have said, the countries just keep being "liberated" over and over again by hostile regimes.regimes.
* While the confrontation between Hannibal and Tobias is undeniably an AwesomeMoment, [[FridgeLogic when you think about the subsequent investigation]] it would seem to be as [[PlotHole holey]] as the episode's namesake. This kicks in from the moment Lecter breaks Tobias's right arm on the ladder. His full statement to the police/FBI would be something like: "I was providing my weekly therapy session to Franklin. During the break I excused myself to get a glass of water. On my return I was horrified to find Tobias standing over Franklin's corpse, proudly proclaiming that he snapped his neck. He then attacked me with a set of steel strings as a whip, then a stool and subsequently stabbed me in the thigh with my pen opener. I did everything in my power to defend myself but he started to overpower me with punches and knee strikes. Fearing for my life I was forced to break his arm, at which point he yelled in agony, stumbling back against the table and knocking the statue onto his head. He died instantly, and I proceeded to contact the authorities.". Fair enough. But it doesn't really stand up.
* Also in Fromage, how does Tobias overcome two armed police officers in the space of about 30 seconds (while Will is outside) and murder them both? Of course Hannibal managed it in TSOTL but we actually '''saw''' how he pulled that off. To be fair, given Will's mental state its possible he spent longer than the scene suggests investigating the audio hallucination, but still. The nature of their deaths is fairly elaborate.
* While the confrontation between Hannibal and Tobias is undeniably an AwesomeMoment, [[FridgeLogic when you think about the subsequent investigation]] it would seem to be as [[PlotHole holey]] as the episode's namesake. This kicks in from the moment Lecter breaks Tobias's right arm on the ladder. His full statement to the police/FBI would be something like: "I was providing my weekly therapy session to Franklin. During the break I excused myself to get a glass of water. On my return I was horrified to find Tobias standing over Franklin's corpse, proudly proclaiming that he snapped his neck. He then attacked me with a set of steel strings as a whip, then a stool and subsequently stabbed me in the thigh with my pen opener. I did everything in my power to defend myself but he started to overpower me with punches and knee strikes. Fearing for my life I was forced to break his arm, at which point he yelled in agony, stumbling back against the table and knocking the statue onto his head. He died instantly, and I proceeded to contact the authorities.". Fair enough. But it doesn't really stand up.
* Also in Fromage, how does Tobias overcome two armed police officers in the space of about 30 seconds (while Will is outside) and murder them both? Of course Hannibal managed it in TSOTL but we actually '''saw''' how he pulled that off. To be fair, given Will's mental state its possible he spent longer than the scene suggests investigating the audio hallucination, but still. The nature of their deaths is fairly elaborate.
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** Lecter choked her unconscious (quite tenderly and regretfully), took her God-knows-where, recorded some material, killed her, hacked her to bits and froze them; almost certainly ''specifically'' so he could then use her remains to mess with Jack when the opportunity came, whenever that was. Hannibal plans for the long-term when inflicting torment. I think it's also deliberately left unclear what the specifics of her fate actually were after Hannibal choked her out, just to add another turn of the screw for the audience and Jack. What I ''don't'' think is that she's still alive.
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** Lecter choked her unconscious (quite tenderly and regretfully), took her God-knows-where, recorded some material, killed her, hacked her to bits and froze them; almost certainly ''specifically'' so he could then use her remains to mess with Jack when the opportunity came, whenever that was. Hannibal plans for the long-term when inflicting torment. I think it's also deliberately left unclear what the specifics of her fate actually were after Hannibal choked her out, just to add another turn of the screw for the audience and Jack. What I ''don't'' think is that she's still alive.alive.
* How will setting the series in the modern day affect Lecter's backstory? Bryan Fuller has mentioned that this Lecter ''is'' still Lithuanian, but has also said this series has a kind of "J.J. Abrams-style alternate universe storytelling" to justify the fact that the character of Count Robert Lecter, killed by the Nazis in the books, is alive and will factor into Season 2. My best guess would be the writers will update the invaders from the Nazis to the Soviets. As many Baltics have said, the countries just keep being "liberated" over and over again by hostile regimes.
* How will setting the series in the modern day affect Lecter's backstory? Bryan Fuller has mentioned that this Lecter ''is'' still Lithuanian, but has also said this series has a kind of "J.J. Abrams-style alternate universe storytelling" to justify the fact that the character of Count Robert Lecter, killed by the Nazis in the books, is alive and will factor into Season 2. My best guess would be the writers will update the invaders from the Nazis to the Soviets. As many Baltics have said, the countries just keep being "liberated" over and over again by hostile regimes.
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* What happened to Miriam Lass? We see Hannibal choking her, presumably not to death because he made a recording which he later played to Jack on the phone. So he kept her somewhere and made a recording because he thought it will come in handy one day? And then killed her and kept her arm because he thought it will be useful as well? Or did he keep her locked somewhere for 2 years?
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* What happened to Miriam Lass? We see Hannibal choking her, presumably not to death because he made a recording which he later played to Jack on the phone. So he kept her somewhere and made a recording because he thought it will come in handy one day? And then killed her and kept her arm because he thought it will be useful as well? Or did he keep her locked somewhere for 2 years?years?
** Lecter choked her unconscious (quite tenderly and regretfully), took her God-knows-where, recorded some material, killed her, hacked her to bits and froze them; almost certainly ''specifically'' so he could then use her remains to mess with Jack when the opportunity came, whenever that was. Hannibal plans for the long-term when inflicting torment. I think it's also deliberately left unclear what the specifics of her fate actually were after Hannibal choked her out, just to add another turn of the screw for the audience and Jack. What I ''don't'' think is that she's still alive.
** Lecter choked her unconscious (quite tenderly and regretfully), took her God-knows-where, recorded some material, killed her, hacked her to bits and froze them; almost certainly ''specifically'' so he could then use her remains to mess with Jack when the opportunity came, whenever that was. Hannibal plans for the long-term when inflicting torment. I think it's also deliberately left unclear what the specifics of her fate actually were after Hannibal choked her out, just to add another turn of the screw for the audience and Jack. What I ''don't'' think is that she's still alive.
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** It's only skin, he wouldn't die of his wounds. He would have some time before he died of shock, and if the ropes were rigged up ahead of time (note he's hanging from loose loops, the rope isn't pulled tight) he could done it, with difficulty.
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** It's only skin, he wouldn't die of his wounds. He would have some time before he died of shock, and if the ropes were rigged up ahead of time (note he's hanging from loose loops, the rope isn't pulled tight) he could done it, with difficulty.difficulty.
*What happened to Miriam Lass? We see Hannibal choking her, presumably not to death because he made a recording which he later played to Jack on the phone. So he kept her somewhere and made a recording because he thought it will come in handy one day? And then killed her and kept her arm because he thought it will be useful as well? Or did he keep her locked somewhere for 2 years?
*What happened to Miriam Lass? We see Hannibal choking her, presumably not to death because he made a recording which he later played to Jack on the phone. So he kept her somewhere and made a recording because he thought it will come in handy one day? And then killed her and kept her arm because he thought it will be useful as well? Or did he keep her locked somewhere for 2 years?
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* How did The Angelmaker do that ''to himself''? It would be one thing if he were standing on the ground, but he suspended himself 10 feet up!
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** It's only skin, he wouldn't die of his wounds. He would have some time before he died of shock, and if the ropes were rigged up ahead of time (note he's hanging from loose loops, the rope isn't pulled tight) he could done it, with difficulty.
** It's only skin, he wouldn't die of his wounds. He would have some time before he died of shock, and if the ropes were rigged up ahead of time (note he's hanging from loose loops, the rope isn't pulled tight) he could done it, with difficulty.
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** That is, in fact, exactly what Hannibal convinced Jack of- he didn't make them think that Will is an evil serial killer manipulating and mocking them behind them back (e.g. Hannibal himself), he convinced them that Will has a dissociative personality that committed the murders without him being aware of it. So no, as far as Jack has led to believe, Will helping them catch himself, because he isn't even aware that he's a killer in the first place.
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** That is, in fact, exactly what Hannibal convinced Jack of- of - he didn't make them think that Will is an evil serial killer manipulating and mocking them behind them back (e.g. Hannibal himself), he convinced them that Will has a dissociative personality that committed the murders without him being aware of it. So no, as far as Jack has led to believe, Will helping them catch himself, because he isn't even aware that he's a killer in the first place.
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** Theory one: choke out victim (which he has done before). Produce plastic suit, don plastic suit. Commit murder. Arrange. Take great care, given this is your ''pièce de résistance'' and you're creating it for a friend. Then find Will and dress him for the occasion. Theory two: [[HesJustHiding She's Just Hiding]]! ''I can dream''.
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* When Hannibal murdered Dr. Sutcliffe, he donned a plastic hazmat suit so that he wouldn't get blood on his clothes or leave forensic evidence. However, when he's about to [[spoiler: murder Abigail, he isn't wearing a plastic suit. Given how bloody Abigail's murder was, how is it that Hannibal's bloody clothes never became a problem? Did he bury or burn them? How is it that he didn't leave forensic evidence such as bloody footprints in the kitchen?]]
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* When Hannibal murdered Dr. Sutcliffe, he donned a plastic hazmat suit so that he wouldn't get blood on his clothes or leave forensic evidence. However, when he's about to [[spoiler: murder Abigail, he isn't wearing a plastic suit. Given how bloody Abigail's murder was, how is it that Hannibal's bloody clothes never became a problem? Did he bury or burn them? How is it that he didn't leave forensic evidence such as bloody footprints in the kitchen?]]kitchen?]]
* How did The Angelmaker do that ''to himself''? It would be one thing if he were standing on the ground, but he suspended himself 10 feet up!
* How did The Angelmaker do that ''to himself''? It would be one thing if he were standing on the ground, but he suspended himself 10 feet up!
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** Plus, it would have made him ''very'' charming. Imagine him buying the ''perfect'' scent for a person he's courting (he has actually had relationships that didn't end with omnomnoming); very thoughtful, classy gesture! He comes across as kind of a dandy, too. Also, a lot of hospitals are scent-free - no perfume allowed. He "called out" a nurse's perfume; maybe that was why.
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** That is, in fact, exactly what Hannibal convinced Jack of- he didn't make them think that Will is an evil serial killer manipulating and mocking them behind them back (e.g. Hannibal himself), he convinced them that Will has a dissociative personality that committed the murders without him being aware of it. So no, as far as Jack has led to believe, Will helping them catch himself, because he isn't even aware that he's a killer in the first place.
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** That is, in fact, exactly what Hannibal convinced Jack of- he didn't make them think that Will is an evil serial killer manipulating and mocking them behind them back (e.g. Hannibal himself), he convinced them that Will has a dissociative personality that committed the murders without him being aware of it. So no, as far as Jack has led to believe, Will helping them catch himself, because he isn't even aware that he's a killer in the first place.place.
* When Hannibal murdered Dr. Sutcliffe, he donned a plastic hazmat suit so that he wouldn't get blood on his clothes or leave forensic evidence. However, when he's about to [[spoiler: murder Abigail, he isn't wearing a plastic suit. Given how bloody Abigail's murder was, how is it that Hannibal's bloody clothes never became a problem? Did he bury or burn them? How is it that he didn't leave forensic evidence such as bloody footprints in the kitchen?]]
* When Hannibal murdered Dr. Sutcliffe, he donned a plastic hazmat suit so that he wouldn't get blood on his clothes or leave forensic evidence. However, when he's about to [[spoiler: murder Abigail, he isn't wearing a plastic suit. Given how bloody Abigail's murder was, how is it that Hannibal's bloody clothes never became a problem? Did he bury or burn them? How is it that he didn't leave forensic evidence such as bloody footprints in the kitchen?]]
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** Except in this case Hannibal's convinced Jack that Will is suffering from a dissociative personality disorder and may not be fully aware himself if he's a killer.
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** Except in this case Hannibal's convinced Jack that Will is suffering from a dissociative personality disorder and may not be fully aware himself if he's a killer.killer.
** That is, in fact, exactly what Hannibal convinced Jack of- he didn't make them think that Will is an evil serial killer manipulating and mocking them behind them back (e.g. Hannibal himself), he convinced them that Will has a dissociative personality that committed the murders without him being aware of it. So no, as far as Jack has led to believe, Will helping them catch himself, because he isn't even aware that he's a killer in the first place.
** That is, in fact, exactly what Hannibal convinced Jack of- he didn't make them think that Will is an evil serial killer manipulating and mocking them behind them back (e.g. Hannibal himself), he convinced them that Will has a dissociative personality that committed the murders without him being aware of it. So no, as far as Jack has led to believe, Will helping them catch himself, because he isn't even aware that he's a killer in the first place.
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* The plotline of ''Relevés'' doesn't work, for the exact same reason it didn't work in ''[[Series/{{Sherlock}} Sherlock]]'': If Will Graham has been an evil serial killer all along, mocking you behind your back, etc, etc- ''why would he help you catch himself?'' It's like the police in these genius-solves-crimes shows just love to grab the IdiotBall and run with it.
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* The plotline of ''Relevés'' doesn't work, for the exact same reason it didn't work in ''[[Series/{{Sherlock}} Sherlock]]'': If Will Graham has been an evil serial killer all along, mocking you behind your back, etc, etc- ''why would he help you catch himself?'' It's like the police in these genius-solves-crimes shows just love to grab the IdiotBall and run with it.it.
** Except in this case Hannibal's convinced Jack that Will is suffering from a dissociative personality disorder and may not be fully aware himself if he's a killer.
** Except in this case Hannibal's convinced Jack that Will is suffering from a dissociative personality disorder and may not be fully aware himself if he's a killer.
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** Will's greatest fear is losing himself to insanity; Hannibal had been playing on that and explicitly convincing him that looking for biological causes was just grasping at straws. So when Will was told nothing was wrong with his brain, after he'd pinned his hopes to the scan revealing that he wasn't at long last doomed the way he and his colleagues had believed for years, he just gave up. He wasn't like Georgia's mother, looking for second opinions on a cause, because the scan ''was'' the second opinion: the first was that he gazed into the abyss and it ate him.
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** Will's greatest fear is losing himself to insanity; Hannibal had been playing on that and explicitly convincing him that looking for biological causes was just grasping at straws. So when Will was told nothing was wrong with his brain, after he'd pinned his hopes to the scan revealing that he wasn't at long last doomed the way he and his colleagues had believed for years, he just gave up. He wasn't like Georgia's mother, looking for second opinions on a cause, because the scan ''was'' the second opinion: the first was that he gazed into the abyss and it ate him.him.
* The plotline of ''Relevés'' doesn't work, for the exact same reason it didn't work in ''[[Series/{{Sherlock}} Sherlock]]'': If Will Graham has been an evil serial killer all along, mocking you behind your back, etc, etc- ''why would he help you catch himself?'' It's like the police in these genius-solves-crimes shows just love to grab the IdiotBall and run with it.
* The plotline of ''Relevés'' doesn't work, for the exact same reason it didn't work in ''[[Series/{{Sherlock}} Sherlock]]'': If Will Graham has been an evil serial killer all along, mocking you behind your back, etc, etc- ''why would he help you catch himself?'' It's like the police in these genius-solves-crimes shows just love to grab the IdiotBall and run with it.
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*** It wouldn't be the first time [[Literature/{{Perfume}} an uncatchable serial killer got a taste for the art of scent]]...
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** Serious answer: if you're going to study scents/the making of them at all, you're going to have to become familiar with combinations of notes that end up in women's perfumes, and a lot of older women's scents are more unisex than one might think, making them popular with male collectors. Hannibal clearly isn't shy about pursuing refined or luxurious hobbies that might in a more pedestrian view be read as less than ruggedly masculine -- see his eye for interior design, dress, fine art and good food, etc. Silly answer: [[RealMenWearPink maybe the good doctor]] [[WholesomeCrossdresser has some other hobbies.]]
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** Will's greatest fear is losing himself to insanity; Hannibal had been playing on that and explicitly convincing him that looking for biological causes was just grasping at straws. So when Will was told nothing was wrong with his brain, after he'd pinned his hopes to the scan revealing that he wasn't at long last doomed the way he and his colleagues had believed for years, he just gave up. He wasn't like Georgia's mother, looking for second opinions on a cause, because the scan 'was' the second opinion: the first was that he gazed into the abyss and it ate him.
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** Will's greatest fear is losing himself to insanity; Hannibal had been playing on that and explicitly convincing him that looking for biological causes was just grasping at straws. So when Will was told nothing was wrong with his brain, after he'd pinned his hopes to the scan revealing that he wasn't at long last doomed the way he and his colleagues had believed for years, he just gave up. He wasn't like Georgia's mother, looking for second opinions on a cause, because the scan 'was' ''was'' the second opinion: the first was that he gazed into the abyss and it ate him.
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** I guess he trusted the diagnosis because Hannibal backed it up. That or he was holding the IdiotBall.
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** I guess he trusted the diagnosis because Hannibal backed it up. That or he was holding the IdiotBall.IdiotBall.
** Will's greatest fear is losing himself to insanity; Hannibal had been playing on that and explicitly convincing him that looking for biological causes was just grasping at straws. So when Will was told nothing was wrong with his brain, after he'd pinned his hopes to the scan revealing that he wasn't at long last doomed the way he and his colleagues had believed for years, he just gave up. He wasn't like Georgia's mother, looking for second opinions on a cause, because the scan 'was' the second opinion: the first was that he gazed into the abyss and it ate him.
** Will's greatest fear is losing himself to insanity; Hannibal had been playing on that and explicitly convincing him that looking for biological causes was just grasping at straws. So when Will was told nothing was wrong with his brain, after he'd pinned his hopes to the scan revealing that he wasn't at long last doomed the way he and his colleagues had believed for years, he just gave up. He wasn't like Georgia's mother, looking for second opinions on a cause, because the scan 'was' the second opinion: the first was that he gazed into the abyss and it ate him.
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** I guess he trusted the diagnosis because Hannibal backed it up. That or the IdiotBall.
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** I guess he trusted the diagnosis because Hannibal backed it up. That or he was holding the IdiotBall.
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* Dr. Sutcliffe lied to Will, telling him that his brain scan showed no organic cause for his symptoms (whereas the audience knows that Will has encephalitis). Why didn't Will seek a second opinion, or talk to doctors in other fields about other potential organic causes? Given the seriousness of his symptoms, it makes little sense that he wouldn't seek a second opinion.
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* Dr. Sutcliffe lied to Will, telling him that his brain scan showed no organic cause for his symptoms (whereas the audience knows that Will has encephalitis). Why didn't Will seek a second opinion, or talk to doctors in other fields about other potential organic causes? Given the seriousness of his symptoms, it makes little sense that he wouldn't seek a second opinion.opinion.
** I guess he trusted the diagnosis because Hannibal backed it up. That or the IdiotBall.
** I guess he trusted the diagnosis because Hannibal backed it up. That or the IdiotBall.
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* In "Buffet Froid", we discover that Will has spatial neglect on the left side due to the swelling of his right brain. Said spatial neglect would prohibit him from turning in the direction he's neglecting (in this case, left), among other things (e.g. he would not be aware of stimuli on his left); however, it appears that the only manifestation of his spatial neglect is his clock drawing.
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* In "Buffet Froid", we discover that Will has spatial neglect on the left side due to the swelling of his right brain. Said spatial neglect would prohibit him from turning in the direction he's neglecting (in this case, left), among other things (e.g. he would not be aware of stimuli on his left); however, it appears that the only manifestation of his spatial neglect is his clock drawing.drawing.
* Dr. Sutcliffe lied to Will, telling him that his brain scan showed no organic cause for his symptoms (whereas the audience knows that Will has encephalitis). Why didn't Will seek a second opinion, or talk to doctors in other fields about other potential organic causes? Given the seriousness of his symptoms, it makes little sense that he wouldn't seek a second opinion.
* Dr. Sutcliffe lied to Will, telling him that his brain scan showed no organic cause for his symptoms (whereas the audience knows that Will has encephalitis). Why didn't Will seek a second opinion, or talk to doctors in other fields about other potential organic causes? Given the seriousness of his symptoms, it makes little sense that he wouldn't seek a second opinion.
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**Because Hannibal gets off on copying other murderers and the fact that he got to do it in front of the killer herself, and further, knowing she couldn't see his real face must have been one of the most satisfying things Lecter has gotten away with ~TroperBeforeTime
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* In "Buffet Froid", Hannibal is wearing a hazmat suit while murdering [[spoiler: Dr. Sutcliffe]] so that he won't get blood on his clothes or leave physical evidence (fingerprints, clothing fibers) at the scene. However, Hannibal is not wearing a hazmat head covering. Why would he go through the trouble of donning a hazmat suit but leave his head bare? Not only would he be shedding hairs that could be used as forensic evidence, but anyone who caught him in the act would see his face. It's a stupid mistake for someone of Hannibal's intelligence.
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* In "Buffet Froid", Hannibal is wearing a hazmat suit while murdering [[spoiler: Dr. Sutcliffe]] so that he won't get blood on his clothes or leave physical evidence (fingerprints, clothing fibers) at the scene. However, Hannibal is not wearing a hazmat head covering. Why would he go through the trouble of donning a hazmat suit but leave his head bare? Not only would he be shedding hairs that could be used as forensic evidence, but anyone who caught him in the act would see his face. It's a stupid mistake for someone of Hannibal's intelligence.intelligence.
*In "Buffet Froid", we discover that Will has spatial neglect on the left side due to the swelling of his right brain. Said spatial neglect would prohibit him from turning in the direction he's neglecting (in this case, left), among other things (e.g. he would not be aware of stimuli on his left); however, it appears that the only manifestation of his spatial neglect is his clock drawing.
*In "Buffet Froid", we discover that Will has spatial neglect on the left side due to the swelling of his right brain. Said spatial neglect would prohibit him from turning in the direction he's neglecting (in this case, left), among other things (e.g. he would not be aware of stimuli on his left); however, it appears that the only manifestation of his spatial neglect is his clock drawing.
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** He knew enough about Men's Cologne to identify Will's by the smell of it. Why not women's perfume?
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* In "Buffet Froid", Dr. Sutcliffe claims that Hannibal could identify nurses' perfumes by scent alone back in medical school. Why on earth would a male have so much knowledge about all kinds of women's perfumes?
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* In "Buffet Froid", Dr. Sutcliffe claims that Hannibal could identify nurses' perfumes by scent alone back in medical school. Why on earth would a male have so much knowledge about all kinds of women's perfumes?perfumes?
* In "Buffet Froid", Hannibal is wearing a hazmat suit while murdering [[spoiler: Dr. Sutcliffe]] so that he won't get blood on his clothes or leave physical evidence (fingerprints, clothing fibers) at the scene. However, Hannibal is not wearing a hazmat head covering. Why would he go through the trouble of donning a hazmat suit but leave his head bare? Not only would he be shedding hairs that could be used as forensic evidence, but anyone who caught him in the act would see his face. It's a stupid mistake for someone of Hannibal's intelligence.
* In "Buffet Froid", Hannibal is wearing a hazmat suit while murdering [[spoiler: Dr. Sutcliffe]] so that he won't get blood on his clothes or leave physical evidence (fingerprints, clothing fibers) at the scene. However, Hannibal is not wearing a hazmat head covering. Why would he go through the trouble of donning a hazmat suit but leave his head bare? Not only would he be shedding hairs that could be used as forensic evidence, but anyone who caught him in the act would see his face. It's a stupid mistake for someone of Hannibal's intelligence.
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* In "Buffet Froid", Dr. Sutcliffe claims that Hannibal could identify nurses' perfumes by scent alone back in medical school. Why on earth would a male have so much knowledge about all kinds of women's perfumes?
