History Headscratchers / GoldenEye

12th Feb '18 6:11:52 AM DoctorNemesis
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** Trevelyan doesn't want her 'enslaved'; he's already got plenty of computer people working for him, like Boris. He wants her ''dead''. He's likely not ignorant of her existence at all, it's almost certainly on his orders that she was kidnapped and almost murdered, but he also probably doesn't handle all his murders and criminal syndicate business personally. He dealt with Bond face-to-face because Bond's an old 'friend' and ItsPersonal with him, but with Natalya he probably just had a bunch of his goons handle her while he was doing something else, and their meeting on the train was the first time he had met her face-to-face.
10th Feb '18 3:00:44 PM forgreatjustice
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[[folder:Natalya's captivity at Janus Syndicate]]
* When Orumov and Natalya board Trevelyan's missile train, Trevelyan acts as though he is meeting Natalya for the first time. But Natalya was captured by Janus before (by Boris and Xenia at the church) and the next thing we know is that she was placed, along with Bond, in the Tiger helicopter death trap in Statue Park. Why would Trevelyan be ignorant of Natalya's existence and forego trying to enslave her then?
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8th Feb '18 10:37:47 PM DoctorNemesis
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** Well, you said it yourself; most of these are fairly clear-cut cases of self-defence or similar 'in-the-line-of-duty' matters, to be entirely fair to him. It's not like he's going out of his way to hurt or murder clearly innocent people, they're all presented fairly clearly as either soldiers out to kill him or rather sketchy thugs involved on some level with a criminal enterprise out to get him.

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** Well, you said it yourself; most of these are fairly clear-cut cases of self-defence or similar 'in-the-line-of-duty' matters, to be entirely fair to him. It's not like he's Bond's going out of his way to hurt or murder clearly innocent people, they're all presented fairly clearly as either soldiers out to kill him or rather sketchy thugs involved on some level with a major criminal enterprise out to get him.him. As for Sauna Guy, given that Xenia is both one of Janus's top lieutenants and is trying to assassinate Bond / lure him into a trap, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if there was at least one bodyguard posted as back-up and to prevent any hapless civilians from interfering; in short, he's probably a bad guy as well.
25th Jan '18 6:47:55 AM DoctorNemesis
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** Well, you said it yourself; most of these are fairly clear-cut cases of self-defence or similar 'in-the-line-of-duty' matters, to be entirely fair to him. It's not like he's going out of his way to hurt or murder clearly innocent people, they're all presented fairly clearly as either soldiers out to kill him or rather sketchy thugs involved on some level with a criminal enterprise out to get him.
10th Dec '17 11:11:08 PM MrStath2015
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** When do you hear someone die? The noise we can hear as Xenia shoots is her screaming/moaning, hence the close-up on her looking satisfied afterwards.
8th Dec '17 4:46:48 PM Dragon101
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* So, the Manticore yacht is leased by a front for the Janus crime syndicate, but was the guy who attacked Bond a murderous thug or was he just some random ObliviouslyEvil employee of the front who has no idea he was working for a criminal organization and was simply attacking an intruder who was breaking and entering into the ship (meaning Bond beat up and possibly killed an innocent man)? Ditto for the guy in the sauna when James is fighting / being sexually assaulted by Onatopp- is he working with her, or did he think Bond was attacking (raping?) ''her'' (and got smacked in the face with a metal bucket for it)?

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* So, the Manticore yacht is leased by a front for the Janus crime syndicate, but was the guy who attacked Bond a murderous thug or was he just some random ObliviouslyEvil employee of the front who has no idea he was working for a criminal organization and was simply attacking an intruder who was breaking and entering into the ship (meaning Bond beat up and possibly killed an innocent man)? Ditto for the guy in the sauna when James is fighting / being sexually assaulted by Onatopp- is he working with her, or did he think Bond was attacking (raping?) ''her'' (and got smacked in the face with a metal bucket for it)?
it)? And lets not get started on the countless Russian soldiers he guns down escaping the Defence Ministry, none of whom had ''anything'' to do with the villains. These were all cases of self-defence yes, but still- Bonds mantra of "those who I kill are themselves killers" is ''really'' stretched to it's limit here.
8th Dec '17 4:31:55 PM Dragon101
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[[folder: Yacht Manticore Mook]]

* So, the yacht is leased by a front for the Janus crime syndicate, but was the guy who attacked Bond a murderous thug or was he just some random ObliviouslyEvil employee of the front who has no idea he was working for a criminal organization and was simply attacking an intruder who was breaking and entering into the ship (meaning Bond beat up and possibly killed an innocent man)?

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[[folder: Yacht Mooks or Bystanders]]

* So, the
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* So, the
yacht is leased by a front for the Janus crime syndicate, but was the guy who attacked Bond a murderous thug or was he just some random ObliviouslyEvil employee of the front who has no idea he was working for a criminal organization and was simply attacking an intruder who was breaking and entering into the ship (meaning Bond beat up and possibly killed an innocent man)?
man)? Ditto for the guy in the sauna when James is fighting / being sexually assaulted by Onatopp- is he working with her, or did he think Bond was attacking (raping?) ''her'' (and got smacked in the face with a metal bucket for it)?
8th Dec '17 4:12:56 PM Dragon101
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8th Dec '17 4:11:46 PM Dragon101
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[[folder: Natalya Ventilation]]

* After Onatopp murders everyone at Severnya, Natalya tries to hide in the ventilation shaft but later we see that she was hiding elsewhere. Yet, Onatopp shoots at the ventilation anyway and we hear someone dying. So, did there just happen to be a different person hiding in there that Natalya accidentally got killed, or is Natalya just really, really good at throwing her voice?

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[[folder: Yacht Manticore Mook]]

* So, the yacht is leased by a front for the Janus crime syndicate, but was the guy who attacked Bond a murderous thug or was he just some random ObliviouslyEvil employee of the front who has no idea he was working for a criminal organization and was simply attacking an intruder who was breaking and entering into the ship (meaning Bond beat up and possibly killed an innocent man)?
25th Jul '17 7:03:25 AM DoctorNemesis
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** He might also need to finish getting the Cuba side of the operation set up as well.


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** Boris is temperamental and over-dramatic. Pulling the plug is the simpler option, but he's getting stressed at the thought of someone being a better hacker than him. He's panicking and throwing a tantrum, basically.
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