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*** Mary Shelley didn't exactly keep a Website/LiveJournal. The name was allegedly noted in letters to her friends.

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*** Mary Shelley didn't exactly keep a Website/LiveJournal.Platform/LiveJournal. The name was allegedly noted in letters to her friends.

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*** This is 1810s-era writing with Regency-era norms. It is not implausible that the Creature asked Dr. Frankenstein for not just any other fellow-Creature to interact with him, but for a mate to love him. And then that Dr. Frankenstein (narrating these events much later) redacted things somewhat to avoid talking too much about the 'mushy stuff.'



*** That does beg the question, though: why would bringing a whole corpse to life be any more difficult than bringing an assorted collection of bits and pieces to life?

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*** That does beg invite the question, though: why would bringing a whole corpse to life be any more difficult than bringing an assorted collection of bits and pieces to life?


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** Nitpick: pretty sure it wasn't a photograph, this was largely before photography. The reason this is relevant is because this was also before the rise of forensics as we know it. Someone getting convicted for a murder that modern forensics would make it obvious they hadn't committed would hardly be atypical.
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*** Victor is also a nervous wreck. This troper has a feeling he would drop with fever on the spot if he had even thought about lying.

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*** He does mention experimenting on parts of dead bodies

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*** He does mention experimenting on parts of dead bodiesbodies.
*** That wouldn't make him much different from any other anatomy student of the era. Medical training was an extremely grisly process back then.
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** Actually, in the nineteenth century it was believed that a woman's entire being, especially the central nervous system, was controlled by her uterus and ovaries. So Shelley, and by extension Victor, would have thought it was literally impossible to build a female creature without a reproductive system.
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*** He's supposed to be yellow, actually.
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**** Then why wouldn't he accept a male companion? In this time, two male friends being close wasn't seen as HoYay (in fact, it was not uncommon for them to hold hands for example), so the Creature could have accepted a "brother" instead of a wife.
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** He's an AntiHero in the classical sense of the term rather than the "broody good guy willing to kill people" way it's commonly used today. He's the "hero" of the tale since his is the story we follow, his goals are not wholly villainous (it's suggested he's trying to find a cure for death to bring back his beloved mother, among other things) and the Creature, for all its sympathetic qualities, is nevertheless still the one who resorts to violence, blackmail, intimidation and murder to achieve his goals, making him the villain -- a not wholly unsympathetic villain, but a villain regardless. However, Victor is an anti-hero in that he lacks many of the conventional attributes and morals of the heroic character, his faults and weaknesses are emphasised more, and his failings gradually overwhelm him and lead to the ruination of himself and those he loves.

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** He's an AntiHero in the classical sense of the term rather than the "broody good guy willing to kill people" way it's commonly used today. He's the "hero" of the tale since his is the story we follow, his goals are not wholly villainous (it's suggested he's trying to find a cure for death to bring back his beloved mother, among other things) and the Creature, for all its sympathetic qualities, is nevertheless still the one who resorts to violence, blackmail, intimidation and murder to achieve his goals, making him clearly the villain -- a not wholly unsympathetic villain, but a villain regardless. However, Victor is an anti-hero in that he lacks many of the conventional attributes and morals of the heroic character, his faults and weaknesses are emphasised more, and his failings gradually overwhelm him and lead to the ruination of himself and those he loves.

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** He's an AntiHero in the classical sense of the term rather than the "broody good guy willing to kill people" way it's commonly used today. He's the "hero" of the tale since his is the story we follow, his goals are not wholly villainous (it's suggested he's trying to find a cure for death to bring back his beloved mother, among other things) and the Creature, for all its sympathetic qualities, is nevertheless still the one who resorts to violence, blackmail, intimidation and murder to achieve his goals, making him the villain -- a not wholly unsympathetic villain, but a villain regardless. However, Victor is an anti-hero in that he lacks many of the conventional attributes and morals of the heroic character, his faults and weaknesses are emphasised more, and his failings gradually overwhelm him and lead to the ruination of himself and those he loves.



** We may be overthinking this a bit. It appears that Victor did indeed try to create a beautiful form of life -- but, given that he was hubristically playing with forces that only God was supposed to have control over, the implication is that the Creature CameBackWrong somehow to reflect its unnatural birth. There's just something fundamentally ''wrong'' about the Creature.

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** We may be overthinking this a bit. It appears It's clearly established that Victor did indeed try to create a beautiful form of life -- but, given that he was hubristically playing with forces that only God was supposed to have control over, the implication is life, but it's implied that the Creature CameBackWrong somehow to reflect its unnatural birth.birth and Victor's hubristic meddling in forces he was supposed to leave well alone. There's just something fundamentally ''wrong'' about the Creature.
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** We may be overthinking this a bit. It appears that Victor did indeed try to create a beautiful form of life -- but, given that he was hubristically playing with forces that only God was supposed to have control over, the implication is that the Creature CameBackWrong somehow to reflect its unnatural birth. There's just something fundamentally ''wrong'' about the Creature.
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*** The creature agrees to leave Frankenstein and humanity alone if Frankenstein will create a mate, it is never stated that the creature asked for her to be able to reproduce (for all either of them knew the creature could have been sterile), all he wanted was just a single companion who would not reject him for his outward appearance, children or no children.

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*** The creature agrees to leave Frankenstein and humanity alone if Frankenstein will create a mate, it is never stated that the creature asked for her to be able to reproduce (for all either of them knew the creature could have been sterile), reproduce, all he wanted was just a single companion who would not reject him for his outward appearance, children or no children.
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*** The creature agrees to leave Frankenstein and humanity alone if Frankenstein will create a mate, it is never stated that the creature asked for her to be able to reproduce (it’s not even known if the creature itself was able to reproduce), all he wanted was just a single companion who would not reject him for his outward appearance, children or no children.

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*** The creature agrees to leave Frankenstein and humanity alone if Frankenstein will create a mate, it is never stated that the creature asked for her to be able to reproduce (it’s not even known if (for all either of them knew the creature itself was able to reproduce), could have been sterile), all he wanted was just a single companion who would not reject him for his outward appearance, children or no children.
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*** The creature agrees to leave Frankenstein and humanity alone if Frankenstein will create a mate, it is never stated that the creature asked for her to be able to reproduce (it’s unknown if the creature itself is able to reproduce), all he wanted was just a single companion who would not reject him for his outward appearance, children or no children.

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*** The creature agrees to leave Frankenstein and humanity alone if Frankenstein will create a mate, it is never stated that the creature asked for her to be able to reproduce (it’s unknown not even known if the creature itself is was able to reproduce), all he wanted was just a single companion who would not reject him for his outward appearance, children or no children.
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*** The creature agrees to leave Frankenstein and humanity alone if Frankenstein will create a mate, it is never stated that the creature asked for her to be able to reproduce, all he wanted was just a single companion who would not reject him for his outward appearance, children or no children.

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*** The creature agrees to leave Frankenstein and humanity alone if Frankenstein will create a mate, it is never stated that the creature asked for her to be able to reproduce, reproduce (it’s unknown if the creature itself is able to reproduce), all he wanted was just a single companion who would not reject him for his outward appearance, children or no children.
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** The creature agrees to leave Frankenstein and humanity alone if Frankenstein will create a mate, it is never stated that the creature asked for her to be able to reproduce, all he wanted was just a single companion who would not reject him for his outward appearance, children or no children.

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** *** The creature agrees to leave Frankenstein and humanity alone if Frankenstein will create a mate, it is never stated that the creature asked for her to be able to reproduce, all he wanted was just a single companion who would not reject him for his outward appearance, children or no children.
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** The creature agrees to leave Frankenstein and humanity alone if Frankenstein will create a mate, it is never stated that the creature asked for her to be able to reproduce, all he wanted was just a single companion who would not reject him for his outward appearance, children or no children.
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* Okay, so Frankenstein's monster, a perfectly proportioned 8 foot tall man (for reference, that's about the size of the [[Film/TheIncredibleHulk Hulk]] in the Edward Norton movie), strangles a little boy. He then places a photo the boy was carrying in a young woman's pocket so she would be implicated in the crime. And people end up believing it? What the heck? When the boy's body is found it says that, "the print of the murderer's finger was on his neck." Since the monster was 8 feet tall, he must have had HUGE hands. The strangle marks left by his hands are left on the boy's neck and everyone thinks that they were made by a young woman? How dumb would you have to be not to notice that the strangulation marks on the boy are WAY too big for a human to have ever made?

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* Okay, so Frankenstein's monster, a perfectly proportioned 8 foot tall man (for reference, that's about the size of the [[Film/TheIncredibleHulk [[Film/TheIncredibleHulk2008 Hulk]] in the Edward Norton movie), strangles a little boy. He then places a photo the boy was carrying in a young woman's pocket so she would be implicated in the crime. And people end up believing it? What the heck? When the boy's body is found it says that, "the print of the murderer's finger was on his neck." Since the monster was 8 feet tall, he must have had HUGE hands. The strangle marks left by his hands are left on the boy's neck and everyone thinks that they were made by a young woman? How dumb would you have to be not to notice that the strangulation marks on the boy are WAY too big for a human to have ever made?
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*** The primary document is always the better had than secondhand accounts. But needing a "reputable scholar" is to many of us a load of bunk. Academia has far more often been the cause of lost media, not the other way around.
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**** I do suppose that he could steal some, but remember, the creature's mind is like a child's at first. One supposes that he didn't understand why his eyes freaked so many people out at first, and by the time he was mentally capable of doing so he was already resentful of people judging him on appearance, so the glasses would be too little too late.

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** Wasn't the whole point of asking for a bride to be able to procreate later on? Well, in addition to company. In that case the Creature would rather quickly figure the ploy out and come knocking to the doctor, requesting a refund for a defective work, and the result would be the same.




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**** Essentially, DidntThinkItThrough. Alternative interpretation of the novel is that it's a TakeThat to irresponsible fathers, for whom such a behavior is typical.




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** Presumably his uncanny perfection was not restricted to physical features.



** The very first thing that freaks Victor out was the creatures eyes, regardless of how he covered himself he would need to keep his eyes uncovered if he wished to see, hes also 8 foot tall, so at best he would end up looking like the tyrant from the [[VideoGame/ResidentEvil2 RE2]] remake, still not exactly a pretty face

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** The very first thing that freaks Victor out was the creatures eyes, regardless of how he covered himself he would need to keep his eyes uncovered if he wished to see, hes also 8 foot tall, so at best he would end up looking like the tyrant from the [[VideoGame/ResidentEvil2 RE2]] remake, still not exactly a pretty faceface.
*** Black glasses existed even then. This would present some difficulties, but they could be worked around.


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** Time and again: nowhere in the book the Creature is stitched from the corpses. The process is deliberately left out, but whatever it was, the resulting flesh was alive. If anything, corpses were needed only for a raw biomass. Point: the blind often have very keen sense of smell, but the kind blind man never noticed anything wrong - neither smell of rot, nor of preservatives.
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* If the Creature was made out of dead tissue, how could he swim across the English Channel in the first place? I mean, maybe on land he could use something to prevent him from rotting, but as far as I know, a dead body on water cannot stay for long without descomposing, let alone in salty water. Even if his body is strong enough to swim or doing all of the crazy shenanigans he did in the book, I still don't think that him staying in salty water for too long is a good idea.
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** The very first thing that freaks Victor out was the creatures eyes, regardless of how he covered himself he would need to keep his eyes uncovered if he wished to see, hes also 8 foot tall, so at best he would end up looking like the tyrant from the RE2 remake, still not exactly a pretty face

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** The very first thing that freaks Victor out was the creatures eyes, regardless of how he covered himself he would need to keep his eyes uncovered if he wished to see, hes also 8 foot tall, so at best he would end up looking like the tyrant from the RE2 [[VideoGame/ResidentEvil2 RE2]] remake, still not exactly a pretty face
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**** Microscopes were invented in the mid-seventeenth century (i.e. about a century and a half earlier). That said, it would still be easier to work with larger body parts.

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