History Headscratchers / Frankenstein

24th Jan '18 7:18:44 PM costanton11
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** Also in [[Film/MaryShelleysFrankenstein Branagh's version]], where the monster is built from the base of recently-executed RobertDeNiro and given the dead brain of Creator/JohnCleese. What a weird movie.

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** Also in [[Film/MaryShelleysFrankenstein Branagh's version]], where the monster is built from the base of recently-executed RobertDeNiro Creator/RobertDeNiro and given the dead brain of Creator/JohnCleese. What a weird movie.
27th Dec '17 8:50:51 PM DoctorNemesis
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*** And again, I'm not saying they shouldn't be corrected if necessary (although to be frank, we can perhaps dial down the confrontational attitude a little; I mean, 'appeased'? We're talking about people misreading or reinterpreting a novel, not the invasion of the Rhineland, [[MST3KMantra we can relax a little about it]]), just offering reasons for why people might choose that interpretation or make that mistake. As for why people don't call him Lucifer, maybe they appreciate the irony of calling him Adam instead, or maybe they sympathise with him too much to basically call him the Devil, or maybe some people just prefer calling him Adam.

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*** And again, I'm not saying they shouldn't be corrected if necessary (although to be frank, we can perhaps dial down the confrontational attitude a little; I mean, 'appeased'? We're talking about people misreading or reinterpreting a novel, not the invasion of the Rhineland, [[MST3KMantra we can relax a little about it]]), just offering reasons for why people might choose that interpretation or make that mistake. As for why people don't call him Lucifer, maybe they appreciate the irony of calling him Adam instead, or maybe they sympathise with him too much to basically call him the Devil, or maybe some people just prefer calling him Adam. Furthermore, while the Creature identifies with Milton's Devil, there's still the whole "creator vs. creation" thing which may cause some people to view Adam as more appropriate regardless.
27th Dec '17 8:22:10 PM DoctorNemesis
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*** And again, I'm not saying they shouldn't be corrected if necessary (although to be frank, we can perhaps dial down the confrontational attitude a little; [[MST3KMantra it's just a novel, we can relax]]), just offering reasons for why people might choose that interpretation or make that mistake. As for why people don't call him Lucifer, maybe they appreciate the irony of calling him Adam instead, or maybe they sympathise with him too much to basically call him the Devil, or maybe some people just prefer calling him Adam.

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*** And again, I'm not saying they shouldn't be corrected if necessary (although to be frank, we can perhaps dial down the confrontational attitude a little; I mean, 'appeased'? We're talking about people misreading or reinterpreting a novel, not the invasion of the Rhineland, [[MST3KMantra it's just a novel, we can relax]]), relax a little about it]]), just offering reasons for why people might choose that interpretation or make that mistake. As for why people don't call him Lucifer, maybe they appreciate the irony of calling him Adam instead, or maybe they sympathise with him too much to basically call him the Devil, or maybe some people just prefer calling him Adam.
27th Dec '17 8:00:37 PM DoctorNemesis
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*** And again, I'm not saying they shouldn't be corrected if necessary (although to be frank, we can probably dial down the confrontational attitude a little; [[MST3KMantra it's just a novel, we can relax]]), just offering reasons for why people might choose that interpretation or make that mistake. As for why people don't call him Lucifer, maybe they appreciate the irony of calling him Adam instead, or maybe they sympathise with him too much to basically call him the Devil, or maybe some people just prefer calling him Adam.

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*** And again, I'm not saying they shouldn't be corrected if necessary (although to be frank, we can probably perhaps dial down the confrontational attitude a little; [[MST3KMantra it's just a novel, we can relax]]), just offering reasons for why people might choose that interpretation or make that mistake. As for why people don't call him Lucifer, maybe they appreciate the irony of calling him Adam instead, or maybe they sympathise with him too much to basically call him the Devil, or maybe some people just prefer calling him Adam.
27th Dec '17 7:59:05 PM DoctorNemesis
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*** And again, I'm not saying they shouldn't be corrected if necessary (although to be frank, we can probably dial down the confrontational attitude a little; [[MST3KMantra it's just a novel, we can relax]]), just offering reasons for why people might choose that interpretation or make that mistake. As for why people don't call him Lucifer, maybe they appreciate the irony of calling him Adam instead, or maybe they sympathise with him too much to basically call him the Devil, or maybe some people just prefer calling him Adam.
22nd Dec '17 5:39:04 PM NewVirginiaCreeper
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*** And yet I don't hear anyone making the case that we should call him "Lucifer" even though he specifically identifies more strongly with Milton's Devil. I don't see any reason why people saying completely wrong things like "I insist on using the name since the Creature adopted it" should be appeased... they should be corrected.
21st Dec '17 7:05:12 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** Well, yes, but I personally never said anywhere that the Creature explicitly called himself Adam. All I'm offering in the paragraph above is reasons why people might assume (erroneously) that the Creature called himself Adam or, alternatively, why they might find it an appropriate name even if it's never explicitly used in text. Presumably the Troper above who inadvertently started the ball rolling here was simply misremembering something.

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*** Well, yes, but I personally never said anywhere that the Creature explicitly called himself Adam. All I'm offering in the paragraph above is reasons why people might assume (erroneously) that the Creature called himself Adam or, alternatively, why they might find it an appropriate name even if it's never explicitly used in text. Presumably the Troper above who inadvertently started the ball rolling here was simply misremembering something.something, and even if he or she didn't, there's sufficient referencing and paralleling constructed in the text to enable people to apply the name "Adam" to the Monster if they so choose, whether or not it's strictly accurate to or explicit within the text itself.
21st Dec '17 5:14:43 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** If we're getting to the point where we're pointing out how many syllables each potential name has, it's worth pointing out that "Adam" is shorter and quicker to use than any of them, so that's not exactly an argument against using it. Plus, let's face it, it is if nothing else symbolically and thematically appropriate.

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*** If we're getting to the point where we're pointing counting out how many syllables each potential name has, it's worth pointing noting out that "Adam" is shorter and quicker to use than any of them, so that's not exactly an argument against using it. Plus, let's face it, it is if nothing else symbolically and thematically appropriate.
21st Dec '17 2:32:56 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** Well, yes, but I personally never said anywhere that the Creature explicitly called himself Adam. All I'm offering in the paragraph above is reasons why people assume (erroneously) that the Creature called himself Adam or, alternatively, why they might find it an appropriate name even if it's never explicitly used in text. Presumably the Troper above who inadvertently started the ball rolling here was simply misremembering something.

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*** Well, yes, but I personally never said anywhere that the Creature explicitly called himself Adam. All I'm offering in the paragraph above is reasons why people might assume (erroneously) that the Creature called himself Adam or, alternatively, why they might find it an appropriate name even if it's never explicitly used in text. Presumably the Troper above who inadvertently started the ball rolling here was simply misremembering something.
21st Dec '17 2:32:09 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** Well, yes, but I personally never said anywhere that the Creature explicitly called himself Adam. All I'm offering in the paragraph above is reasons why people assume (erroneously) that the Creature called himself Adam or, alternatively, why they might find it an appropriate name even if it's never explicitly used in text. Presumably the Troper above who inadvertently started the ball rolling here was simply misremembering something.
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