History Headscratchers / Frankenstein

26th Feb '17 5:15:32 PM nombretomado
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*** Mary Shelley didn't exactly keep a LiveJournal. The name was allegedly noted in letters to her friends.

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3rd Feb '17 11:14:03 AM mlsmithca
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*** Mary Shelley didn't exactly keep a LiveJournal. The name was allegedly noted in letters to her friends. [[{{YMMV}} Whether this is canon or not is up for debate.]]

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*** Link or it didn't happen.
*** Mary Shelley didn't exactly keep a LiveJournal. The name was allegedly noted in letters to her friends. [[{{YMMV}} Whether this is canon or not is up for debate.]]
2nd Feb '17 5:59:04 PM Sharlee
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*** Mary Shelley didn't exactly keep a LiveJournal. The name was allegedly noted in letters to her friends. [[YMMV Whether this is canon or not is up for debate.]]

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*** Mary Shelley didn't exactly keep a LiveJournal. The name was allegedly noted in letters to her friends. [[YMMV [[{{YMMV}} Whether this is canon or not is up for debate.]]
2nd Feb '17 5:58:42 PM Sharlee
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*** Mary Shelley didn't exactly keep a LiveJournal. The name was allegedly noted in letters to her friends. [[YourMileageMayVary Whether this is canon or not is up for debate.]]

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*** Mary Shelley didn't exactly keep a LiveJournal. The name was allegedly noted in letters to her friends. [[YourMileageMayVary [[YMMV Whether this is canon or not is up for debate.]]
2nd Feb '17 5:58:05 PM Sharlee
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*** Mary Shelley didn't exactly keep a LiveJournal. The name was allegedly noted in letters to her friends. [[YourMilageMayVary Whether this is canon or not is up for debate.]]

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*** Mary Shelley didn't exactly keep a LiveJournal. The name was allegedly noted in letters to her friends. [[YourMilageMayVary [[YourMileageMayVary Whether this is canon or not is up for debate.]]
2nd Feb '17 5:57:37 PM Sharlee
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** Their father was willing to let Victor head out to England for a year in the hope that travel would help his son recover from grief over William's and Justine's deaths. Possibly Ernest headed out on a similar journey and missed the worst of the creature's payback.




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** The ship captain himself saw the creature's dogsled passing shortly before they hauled Victor off the ice floe, so presumably the creature saw the ship too. When the ice started breaking up under his sled, he abandoned it and backtracked to check if Victor had taken shelter with the only other humans within hundreds of miles. If he ''didn't'' find his creator there, the creature knew Frankenstein would be drowned and/or frozen to death, anyway.



** Also, if we're speaking about the book here, the Creature adopted the name Adam? The closest sentence is this: "Remember that I am thy creature; I ought to be thy Adam, but I am rather the fallen angel, whom thou drivest from joy for no misdeed." That it a long way from "Call me Adam!" -- in fact, the line specifically refutes the appropriateness of that label.

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** Actually, the fact that Victor's aborted attempt to create a mate for the creature took place on an isolated island hundreds of miles from any graveyard ''or'' slaughterhouse would argue that, indeed, those references only account for Victor learning ''how'' life works, not his actual creation ''of'' life. There's no mention of him importing anything to the island except his chemistry equipment and some furniture.

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Also, if we're speaking about the book here, the Creature adopted the name Adam? The closest sentence is this: "Remember that I am thy creature; I ought to be thy Adam, but I am rather the fallen angel, whom thou drivest from joy for no misdeed." That it a long way from "Call me Adam!" -- in fact, the line specifically refutes the appropriateness of that label.
2nd Feb '17 5:41:53 PM Sharlee
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*** One of Victor's many flaws, although the narrative doesn't explicitly state it, seems to be a lack of imagination. Yes, he's clever enough to crack the problem of how to create life, but he never thinks beyond that objective to contemplate what sort of a life the being he creates will have to suffer. He ''thinks'' about arguing on Justine's behalf, but it never crosses his mind that he wouldn't have to tell the ''whole'' truth to do so. He agrees to create a mate for his creature, but it only occurs to him that the resulting female may be just as miserable, hostile, or violent as his first creation until she's literally lying there ready to be animated. For a guy with an active brain, he really never lets his thoughts ''speculate'' rather than analyze.


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** Note that Frankenstein's ''second'' attempt to create life, before he abandoned the notion of providing a bride for the creature and destroyed it un-animated, was performed on a tiny island in the Orkneys with only five inhabitants and no reliable fresh water supply. If he'd been using stolen corpses for his work, whole or otherwise, he ''certainly'' wouldn't have picked a place that isolated and devoid of graveyards or gibbets.
15th Dec '16 8:03:46 PM LenneDalben
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* The monster is created over the course of 2 years, from many different body parts. How did Victor keep the body from decaying?

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* The monster is created over the course of 2 years, several months, from many different body parts. How did Victor keep the body from decaying?
15th Dec '16 9:15:09 AM LenneDalben
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**** To be fair, Elizabeth herself actually says, in a letter to Frankenstein, "A servant in Geneva does not mean the same thing as a servant in France and England. Justine, thus received in our family, learned the duties of a servant..." So Justine ''was'' a servant to the family, but she was treated well.
15th Dec '16 8:03:12 AM LenneDalben
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* If Dr. Frankenstein was so horrified by the monsters appearence, wouldn't common sense say make a better looking monster before it comes to life? I mean, you had been working on this creature for so long, you'd think after seeing it continuously it would kinda click in your mind. Dr. Frank-N-Furter had his mind right
** I can't find the exact quote, but I vaguely remember that Frankenstein did deliberately set out to create a good looking creature and chose the limbs to be in proportion, but when he was given the spark of life, he looked hideous. In a way, it's like creating what you think is the best looking animatronic model and then seeing how bad it looks on screen.
*** What I find appalling is that it doesn't click in Dr. Frankenstein's head that he's creating a body that's covered with stitches and bone-thin (which will look unattractive) and doesn't try and put extra layers of skin to cover the stiches/bones or a much more simpler approach: Take a whole, recently dead person and attempt to reanimate him/her. There were plenty of dead beggars in the streets if he didn't want to upset the upper class for zombifying their loved ones.
*** It doesn't actually say how Frankenstein created the monster in the book. Moreover, the point is that the monster should have been beautiful- perfectly in proportion, lustrous hair etc., except because of the monsters eyes (and the fact its an artificial human full stop) it fell so deep into the UncannyValley it was seen as hideous.

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** I think it was more that he was afraid the creatures would somehow be able to figure out a way to propagate anyway. You can interpret that he has a problem with femininity and reproduction throughout the novel; after all he did continuously leave Elizabeth and the domestic life, and when he's creating the monster he openly says he wants to be the only parent to it. You can extend that to say he would also want to be the only one "bestowing life" to the creatures, as it were, and if they were capable of reproducing on their own, the creatures' offspring wouldn't directly owe their life to Frankenstein.
* If Dr. Frankenstein was so horrified by the monsters appearence, appearance, wouldn't common sense say make a better looking monster before it comes to life? I mean, you had been working on this creature for so long, you'd think after seeing it continuously it would kinda click in your mind. Dr. Frank-N-Furter had his mind right
** "His limbs were in proportion, and I can't find the exact quote, but I vaguely remember that had selected his features as beautiful." Frankenstein did deliberately set out to create a good looking creature and chose the limbs to be in proportion, but when he was given the spark of life, he looked hideous. In a way, it's like creating what you think is the best looking animatronic model and then seeing how bad it looks on screen.
*** What I find appalling is that it doesn't click in Dr. Frankenstein's head that he's creating a body that's covered with stitches and bone-thin (which will look unattractive) and doesn't try and put extra layers of skin to cover the stiches/bones stitches/bones or a much more simpler approach: Take a whole, recently dead person and attempt to reanimate him/her. There were plenty of dead beggars in the streets if he didn't want to upset the upper class for zombifying their loved ones.
*** It doesn't actually say how Frankenstein created the monster in the book. Moreover, the point is that the monster should have been beautiful- perfectly in proportion, lustrous hair etc., except because of the monsters monster's eyes (and the fact its it's an artificial human full stop) it fell so deep into the UncannyValley it was seen as hideous.



** Its actually explicitley stated that, "In time, he might be able to grant life after it had already left the body." Meaning that The Monster's body wasn't pre-owned.

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** Its actually explicitley explicitly stated that, "In time, he might be able to grant life after it had already left the body." Meaning that The Monster's body wasn't pre-owned.



** This isn't even mentioning the fact that he was 'born' an adult. His brain was already fully devoloped; this is opposed to being educated as a child, whose brain remains underdeveloped until around twenty-three years or so. It's not too much more plausible, but it could be a variable.

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** This isn't even mentioning the fact that he was 'born' an adult. His brain was already fully devoloped; developed; this is opposed to being educated as a child, whose brain remains underdeveloped until around twenty-three years or so. It's not too much more plausible, but it could be a variable.



* The monster is created over the course of months, from many different body parts. How did Victor keep the body from decaying?

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* The monster is created over the course of months, 2 years, from many different body parts. How did Victor keep the body from decaying?
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