History Headscratchers / FinalFantasyI

26th Jun '15 8:18:23 AM firejewel
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*** I think one of the surviving Lefein mention that. At the very least, I know it was stated in the old NintendoPower Players' Guide.

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*** I think one of the surviving Lefein mention that. At the very least, I know it was stated in the old NintendoPower Players' Guide.Guide.
* Were the Piscodemons ''really'' evil nefarious sorcerers who pilfered the mystical Crown from the Western Keep. Or were they merely trying to prevent Astos from gaining more power?
8th Mar '15 10:02:24 AM firejewel
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* Here's how I understood it: Garland was originally from 20XX years in the past. Because of fear of death, he thought about this time loop plan and traveled to the present of the game, became part of the royal guard, kidnapped the princess and was defeated by the light warriors. Then he was sent back to 2000 years in the past by the fiends, turned into Chaos by the fiends, sent the fiends themselves to the present so they can send him back in the first place. He then kills the light warriors and after that rules as Chaos for as much time he desires (but is obviously still mortal or else he would not need a time loop) and sends himself back to the present as Garland, so he can start the time loop. He then becomes part of the royal guard, kidnaps the princess, gets beaten by the warriors...
That would explain why killing Chaos stops the time loop. With Chaos dead, there would be no Garland in the present because Chaos is Garland and Garland came from the past.

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* Here's how I understood it: Garland was originally from 20XX years in the past. Because of fear of death, he thought about this time loop plan and traveled to the present of the game, became part of the royal guard, kidnapped the princess and was defeated by the light warriors. Then he was sent back to 2000 years in the past by the fiends, turned into Chaos by the fiends, sent the fiends themselves to the present so they can send him back in the first place. He then kills the light warriors and after that rules as Chaos for as much time he desires (but is obviously still mortal or else he would not need a time loop) and sends himself back to the present as Garland, so he can start the time loop. He then becomes part of the royal guard, kidnaps the princess, gets beaten by the warriors...
warriors... That would explain why killing Chaos stops the time loop. With Chaos dead, there would be no Garland in the present because Chaos is Garland and Garland came from the past.
5th Jan '15 4:53:42 AM Thanos6
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** Who said that was the airship they were using? It seemed to me that the light warrior's airship was a relic which had been left undisturbed ever since Tiamat first cast down the Lefein empire. As for the honor guard's transportation, it was probably destroyed by some villain or other or shoved back into the ocean.

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** Who said that was the airship they were using? It seemed to me that the light warrior's airship was a relic which had been left undisturbed ever since Tiamat first cast down the Lefein empire. As for the honor guard's transportation, it was probably destroyed by some villain or other or shoved back into the ocean.ocean.
*** I think one of the surviving Lefein mention that. At the very least, I know it was stated in the old NintendoPower Players' Guide.
1st Jan '15 8:13:37 AM DarkElfPrincess
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* If nothing else, I can explain the time repetition--it's ''not'' a StableTimeLoop, but rather the variety of time travel that gets bandied about a lot in {{Final Fantasy VIII}}'s crazy fan theories. That is to say, you don't ''travel'' through time, you ''undo'' time, like rewinding a VHS tape and taping over it. Garland went back into the past the first time he "died" (though apparently not on later runthroughs of the cycle, or a) the plot would never happen, and b) there'd be a zillion copies of him in the past.) Every single runthrough, you survive long enough to travel back to the past yourself, and although he defeats you, he has to live through those thousands of years all over again and take another crack at you in the hopes he can kill you before you can time-travel again. What's interesting is that before he time-traveled in the first place, he couldn't have been the leader of the fiends--so that means we have partial RubberBandHistory, with different sequences of events both leading to you and him existing and fighting each other. (Come to think of it, that's also why he couldn't just kill your parents before you were born--you were ''[[TheChosenOne fated]]'' to come into existence in some way.) As for the Fiends, maybe he sent them to the future that would have come about if he had won, and his losing erases that entire future with the fiends inside it (just like how ''Series/{{Heroes}}'' speculation insists Peter must have erased Kaitlyn (sic?))

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* If nothing else, I can explain the time repetition--it's ''not'' a StableTimeLoop, but rather the variety of time travel that gets bandied about a lot in {{Final Fantasy VIII}}'s VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII's crazy fan theories. That is to say, you don't ''travel'' through time, you ''undo'' time, like rewinding a VHS tape and taping over it. Garland went back into the past the first time he "died" (though apparently not on later runthroughs of the cycle, or a) the plot would never happen, and b) there'd be a zillion copies of him in the past.) Every single runthrough, you survive long enough to travel back to the past yourself, and although he defeats you, he has to live through those thousands of years all over again and take another crack at you in the hopes he can kill you before you can time-travel again. What's interesting is that before he time-traveled in the first place, he couldn't have been the leader of the fiends--so that means we have partial RubberBandHistory, with different sequences of events both leading to you and him existing and fighting each other. (Come to think of it, that's also why he couldn't just kill your parents before you were born--you were ''[[TheChosenOne fated]]'' to come into existence in some way.) As for the Fiends, maybe he sent them to the future that would have come about if he had won, and his losing erases that entire future with the fiends inside it (just like how ''Series/{{Heroes}}'' speculation insists Peter must have erased Kaitlyn (sic?))
19th Apr '14 3:44:56 PM Mysterion
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* A relatively minor question. If the Lefein Honor Guard was going to assault the Temple of Fiends/Chaos, why did they park their airship in the area that became Ryukahn Desert to assault the Temple? That would have required a canoe and boat to get from where they parked the ship to their destination. For that matter, where is the canoe and ship they used? Wouldn't it have made more sense to land the airship closer to their destination?

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* A relatively minor question. If the Lefein Honor Guard was going to assault the Temple of Fiends/Chaos, why did they park their airship in the area that became Ryukahn Desert to assault the Temple? That would have required a canoe and boat to get from where they parked the ship to their destination. For that matter, where is the canoe and ship they used? Wouldn't it have made more sense to land the airship closer to their destination?destination?
** Who said that was the airship they were using? It seemed to me that the light warrior's airship was a relic which had been left undisturbed ever since Tiamat first cast down the Lefein empire. As for the honor guard's transportation, it was probably destroyed by some villain or other or shoved back into the ocean.
28th Feb '14 1:23:34 PM silver06
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*I believe based on the text in-game that the time loop only worked because the Fiends have the ability to revive Garland/Chaos and vice versa, meaning that if Garland or any of the four Fiends are killed in the future, they will be revived in the past, and if they are killed in the past, Garland can easily just go back in time and start the process again. Now, after being transported to the past but BEFORE killing Chaos, you fight and kill the four Fiends once again, and in the time loop, this would be easily fixed by Chaos and/or Garland reviving them, but because you already killed the future versions of the Fiends and Garland, and you also kill Chaos before he revive them, you break the time loop because both the past and future versions of Chaos and the Fiends are now dead, preventing their resurrection.
31st May '13 3:55:33 PM MagBas
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This is something I just noticed recently but...
* It just bugs me that Final Fantasy I (And II/III/IV/V) is completely left out of the fanfiction recommendations page. What's with the neglect, people?
** They're not well known enough to have good writers write good fics?
*** Because for the first few games, there aren't enough bishi heroes and [[DracoInLeatherPants hot and 'misunderstood' villains]] to write slash about. And ''thank God'' for that.
**** Someone hasn't paid much attention to the Amano art for the early games.
*** Garland has fans. Under the mask, people have actually thought he was handsome. And then we get the fans thinking about the REAL reason he kidnapped Sarah...
** Because the only characters in the game are four nameless warriors and a bunch of villains with no real motives beyond being evil. What is there to write about? Garland's secret love affair with Tiamat? Bikke's abusive stepfather who led him to a life of crime? THIEF becoming emo after his friend BL.MAGE is hit with FIR3 and perishes? FF2-FF5 are ripe for fanfic though, there should definitely be more written about those.
*** 8-Bit Theater seems to do alright.
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16th Apr '13 7:26:36 PM KyleBrackman
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* It just bugs me that Final Fantasy I (And II/III/IV/V) is completely left out of the fanfiction recommendations page. Whats with the neglect, people?

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* It just bugs me that Final Fantasy I (And II/III/IV/V) is completely left out of the fanfiction recommendations page. Whats What's with the neglect, people?
28th Jan '13 9:39:13 PM Thecommander236
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* The time loop is broken because Chaos is dead. As Chaos, he will live for 2000+ years having infinite rule (note that you never kill him in the future, but he wants to punish you for killing him when he was human). Without him corrupting the world, the world reverts, supposedly civilizations that would have fallen due to his reign (1600 year reign, where the fiends arrive) survive and other heroes kill the fiends that were sent to the future. The political and social climate is so much better in that future that Garland himself meets the Light Warriors on their return and it is implied that he never became evil in this timeline. Furthermore, no one even knows who the Light Warriors are because the problem they were sent out to solve never existed in this timeline.
19th Jul '12 8:10:11 AM 32_Footsteps
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(Also I totally screwed up the layout for this page, didn't I? I do not know how to do a multiline JustBugsMe...)

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\n(Also I totally screwed up * The above timeline needs to add that Chaos revives the layout for this page, didn't I? I do not know how Four Fiends after defeating the Light Warriors to do a multiline JustBugsMe...)send them 1600 years into the future (their rampage begins 400 years before the start of the game). Technically, the Time Loop can also be broken if the Light Warriors are killed before all four fiends can be killed - since it's established that the Fiends can revive Chaos and Chaos can revive the fiends, they could win if there's at least one fiend active (to drain the orbs/crystals) to revive Garland and create Chaos.

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* A relatively minor question. If the Lefein Honor Guard was going to assault the Temple of Fiends/Chaos, why did they park their airship in the area that became Ryukahn Desert to assault the Temple? That would have required a canoe and boat to get from where they parked the ship to their destination. For that matter, where is the canoe and ship they used? Wouldn't it have made more sense to land the airship closer to their destination?
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