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** Possibly inverting the list is something that can ''only'' happen if the vision-having character physically '''forces''' other people to survive, rather than just yelling about an imminent catastrophe so that others either choose to leave, or are forced out by somebody who's reacting to their hissy-fit. The big difference between Kimberly's vision in ''3'' and all the other cases was that she didn't flip out and yell, she actively ''blocked the entrance-ramp with her car'' so the would-be casualties couldn't get to the accident-site even if they wanted to.

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** Possibly inverting the list is something that can ''only'' happen if the vision-having character physically '''forces''' other people to survive, rather than just yelling about an imminent catastrophe so that others either choose to leave, or are forced out by somebody who's reacting to their hissy-fit. The big difference between Kimberly's vision in ''3'' and all the other cases others was that she didn't flip out and yell, yell: she actively ''blocked the entrance-ramp with her car'' so the would-be casualties couldn't get to the accident-site even if they wanted to.
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** Possibly inverting the list is something that can ''only'' happen if the vision-having character physically '''forces''' other people to survive, rather than just yelling about an imminent catastrophe so that others either choose to leave, or are forced out by somebody who's reacting to their hissy-fit. The big difference between Kimberly's vision in ''3'' and all the other cases was that she didn't flip out and yell, she actively ''blocked the entrance-ramp with her car'' so the would-be casualties couldn't get to the accident-site even if they wanted to.
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*** Except ''that'' begs the question of why the order of deaths wasn't shifted around in 2 or 4, because presumably there'd have been other deaths resulting from the main characters' survival in ''those'' films too. In 2, it's a busy highway, so the scattered logs would have hit ''somebody's'' vehicles sooner or later, and in 4, it seems unlikely that other people wouldn't have moved around to claim the emptied stadium seats, which (barring Jonathan's hat) had a better view of the racetrack than the benches in the upper tiers. Granted, one could argue that anyone moving down from an upper stadium tier was on the list to die at Daytona already, but with the highway pile-up, it surely took out at least a few people who'd otherwise have had time to stop safely, had they seen the huge fuel-tank explosion that the lottery-winner's sports car caused. By rights, Kimberly herself shouldn't have been in danger for years, because ''she'' obstructed the entrance ramp and set up other people to die in the crash in the blocked-in drivers' stead.

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** I've theorized that death is a drama queen and uses the premonitions as an excuse to get full control over the universe, to knock them off in ways he sees fit. I've heard one quote from a final destination character that suggests that death likes having an audience for his rube goldbergs

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** I've theorized that death is a drama queen and uses the premonitions as an excuse to get full control over the universe, to knock them off in ways he sees fit. I've heard one quote from a final destination character that suggests that death likes having an audience for his rube goldbergsgoldbergs.



















































** She's wearing stilleto boots and if you watch closely you can see she breaks the window by kicking through it. Something long and blunt like a stilleto would serve as a perfect window-punch.

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** She's wearing stilleto boots and if you watch closely you can see she breaks the window by kicking through it. Something long and blunt like a stilleto stiletto would serve as a perfect window-punch.window-punch.





















** It also might've been an Homage to Rod's death in the original ''A Nightmare on Elm Street''.




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** Alternately, the flames and smoke disoriented a semi driver on the adjacent stretch of highway lanes going in the ''other direction'', and that truck jumped the median and crashed into Kimberly's upturned vehicle.



* The youngest character to die in the series was Tim in FD 2 but what about the infant that was onboard Flight 180 in the first movie?

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* The youngest character to die in the series was Tim in FD 2 but what about the infant that was onboard on board Flight 180 in the first movie?


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*** You actually do have a point, the kind of [[ItsAllAboutMe attitude]] shown by the original poster tends to come from the characters that AREN'T mourned by the audience in these kinds of movies.
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** My theory is that Death is bored as hell, after killing people since the beginning of existence, it made a game it plays every so often to keep things fresh, it sends a random person fated to die in a disaster a vision of said disaster as a challenge, takes a human form (bludworth) to explain the rules of its game, which as far as we have seen change every movie, throws a few hints their way to keep it more interesting, the characters will never win but can earn a "Pass" temporarally using the rules laid out.
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*I made up my mind about the logic of all 5 FD movies and summed it up in an image (Readable version: http://www.directupload.net/file/d/4313/axxkpejp_jpg.htm). [[spoiler: While there are multiple setups like death granting visions (just for the fun of killing them afterwards) or death giving away "free passes" (what for, if they die anyways later on), this is the only setup I find (almost) logically consistent. That said, it is still not realistic. Due to strange writing people can't die before their time. This is shown a couple of time in the movies. Physical means to kill oneself before Death's Master-Plan would allow it are all prevented. Death appeares to be omnipotent (His killing-accuracy, while not countered, is quite impressiv), but not allmighty. As mentioned above he can't make things appear out of thin air. He can, however, manipulate things which then add-up to a deadly combo. This combo can be forseen by "signs" (apparently death likes to play with his victims) or be indicated by visions. Those visions are outside Death's Master Plan, mess it up and anger him, basically meaning that there is an entity passing out those visions (it is very unlikely that the people got the visions in any other way). The only question is, why did this entity support those specific people?]]
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* Did the two guys who set off a firecracker by the horse in the third movie EVER get some sort of criminal charges against them?? I mean, there were several people who could have seen them do it, and their little prank destroyed a lot of stuff as well as (more or less indirectly) cause the deaths of at least two people.
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*** Although that begs the question of why the premonitions aren't given to someone who could ''stop the accidents from happening at all'', rather than someone who can save juuuuust enough characters for a movie. Why not, say, give the speedway vision to the pit crew idiot who'd left that metal doodad on one of the cars, in the first place?
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** The vast majority of deaths are presumably automatic, requiring no special attention on Death's part. It's only deaths that were delayed by premonitions that take "special attention" to accomplish, for which relative order is important.
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** My theory wouldn't be Death would just incapacitate you, or just make sure your plans couldn't work. Taking the Volcano example, you'd need to transport yourself to the location of the volcano.. How do you do that? You go buy a plane ticket but you can't because you suddenly have no money in the bank. You try jumping off a bridge? A car hits you on your way and you survive, but are now permanently disabled. All death has to do is stop you from dying until it's your turn.

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** My theory wouldn't be is Death would just incapacitate you, or just make sure your plans couldn't work. Taking the Volcano example, you'd need to transport yourself to the location of the volcano.. How do you do that? You go buy a plane ticket but you can't because you suddenly have no money in the bank. You try jumping off a bridge? A car hits you on your way and you survive, but are now permanently disabled. All death has to do is stop you from dying until it's your turn.
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** It's been awhile since I've seen this one. Is it ever stated he doesn't get a manslaughter charge?


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** My theory wouldn't be Death would just incapacitate you, or just make sure your plans couldn't work. Taking the Volcano example, you'd need to transport yourself to the location of the volcano.. How do you do that? You go buy a plane ticket but you can't because you suddenly have no money in the bank. You try jumping off a bridge? A car hits you on your way and you survive, but are now permanently disabled. All death has to do is stop you from dying until it's your turn.

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** The directors initially were going to have all of the deaths look like accidents or suicides but decided against it after filming To'd death.

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** The directors initially were going to have all of the deaths look like accidents or suicides but decided against it after filming To'd Tod's death.




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** The Wiki calls it "The Truck from Hell" and calls it a servant of death, so that's confirmed.


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** Because fuck Nick, that's why.


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** The baby died in an accident predicted by a premonition, and thus doesn't count. Tim was killed in a zany, over the top ([[TooDumbToLive and completely avoidable]]) death.
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**** [[spoiler: Molly wasn't initially on Death's list, since she was originally supposed to survive the bridge disaster. However, [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Sam put her on the list when he killed Peter, who was supposed to kill her]] (and being a big jerk about it too). Also, the method did work: it prolonged Nathan's life until after Sam and Molly died on the plane, and the Wiki says that Eugene gained the time of the substitute who was killed by the crazy dude who stabbed the substitute after Eugene substituted for Mrs. Lewton. And everyone in ''5'' died]].

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** He did: they stopped trying it after the second movie.



** Actually, there's a better explaination, because he didn't let the guy die then, he was able to set up [[spoiler: Clear's]] death, thus [[spoiler: finish off his list from the first film in one and kill off one of the new people on his list in foul swoop.]]

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** Actually, there's a better explaination, because he didn't let the guy die then, he was able to set up [[spoiler: Clear's]] death, thus [[spoiler: finish off his list from the first film in one and kill off one of the new people on his list in one foul swoop.]]

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** I get the feeling a person who thinks concepts they don't like, shouldn't exist, are often the people who know very little about what else exists out there.



** I don't always pay attention to what the construction is, but there's at least three bridges close here and they only shut down one lane for construction. I've never seen them shut down any of those three bridges as a whole for construction in my whole life.





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\n** I think a lot of this just modern thinking. Weird accidents do happen, while this series turns it up to eleven. The only people that would really be talking about it that much are people on weird happenings websites. How many times does the news even report deaths by small accidents, in which case most of the deaths here are (no matter how gruesome) aren't homicides more or less to be looked at as people in the wrong place at the wrong time. How many times do you ever even hear on the news about the people who got lucky enough to get out of an accident versus reporting of the actual accident? I think this expects a lot more out the media.
** Also how much are these even in the same area? FD2's cast are in the general area so they knew about it because it involved local people. The characters in 3 only learn about it through having to look it up online. Which would again probably be small out of the way paranormal sites more than it would be large news outlets. And we don't know how close or not the characters in FD5 are to the FD1 people. They used the same airport but that doesn't exactly mean much.
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** In the words of Jafar from Aladdin 2, "You'd be surprised what a human can live through." Humans have sustained intense burns and horrible injuries that you would think would kill them but lived anyway. For all we know, they'd just be incapable of dying until death makes its way to them. Imagine spending days...weeks..at the bottom of a molten volcano...unable to die.
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* In-universe, the citizens aren't at least suspicious about the gruesome deaths that occur in their towns? Sure you can hand wave them as accidents, but a bunch of teens prevent a plane, bus, roller coaster from taking off because of a "bad dream". They ignore the teens' warning and end up getting killed. Wouldn't you get suspicious that these teens from different towns are having these psychic dreams?


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* In-universe, the citizens aren't at least suspicious about the gruesome deaths that occur in their towns? Sure you can hand wave them as accidents, but a bunch of teens prevent prevented a plane, bus, roller coaster from taking off because of a "bad dream". They ignore ignored the teens' warning and end ended up getting killed. Wouldn't you get suspicious that these teens from different towns are having these psychic dreams?

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\n* In-universe, the citizens aren't at least suspicious about the gruesome deaths that occur in their towns? Sure you can hand wave them as accidents, but a bunch of teens prevent a plane, bus, roller coaster from taking off because of a "bad dream". They ignore the teens' warning and end up getting killed. Wouldn't you get suspicious that these teens from different towns are having these psychic dreams?

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** What evidence is there that Death ''didn't'' know about his survival? Death has waited entire months before just to kill survivors the way it wants to. It wanted to crush Jonathan with an overflowing bathtub so it waited until the time was right to do that. Giving the survivors false hope was an added bonus.





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\n** The fan consensus seems to be that [[spoiler: Molly was meant to die on Flight 180 anyway, likely going to spread Sam's ashes in Paris or perform some similar gesture.]] Although Isabella and her child could die at any moment, it stands to reason that she'll live a normal lifespan with her child.

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** The kind that Death manipulates Olivia into booking an appointment with. The doctor was probably always incompetent and Death's real job was getting an advertisement for his clinic in front of Olivia's face.
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*** This actually more likely corroborates the "kill or be killed" rule introduced in 5. In the Choose Their Fate beginning we're very clearly shown a shot of four new people taking Wendy, Kevin, Jason and Carrie's places on the coaster. These people are indirectly killed by the group getting off so it makes sense that Wendy and co get their lives.
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******* My own WMG on the series is that [[TheOmen Damien Thorne]] was deputizing for Death. Same MO.

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******* My own WMG on the series is that [[TheOmen [[Film/TheOmen Damien Thorne]] was deputizing for Death. Same MO.
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* Apparently suicide doesn't work. Death won't allow you to kill yourself. If you try to shoot yourself, your gun will jam. If you try hanging yourself, the rope will snap. What would happen if you purposely jump into a volcano?
* This might be Fridge Horror territory, but does that mean the baby and the mom from the second film will die sooner or later? Death doesn't seem like the type to play fair, or let petty things like rules stand in his way.

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** I might be overthinking the plot, but the manga ''{{Berserk}}'' has a premise that might be comparable. In it, the world's mostly governed by causality: everyone's individually doing what they think they want to do, but their criss-crossing motives always lead to whatever the PowersThatBe want to happen. But if someone survives the moment that they were supposed to die, they become a wild card. They're not supposed to exist in the world, and everything they do has the potential to throw fate right off its rails. Not coincidentally, all the forces of darkness are hellbent on wiping out the protagonists for exactly that reason. Something pretty similar might be going in ''FinalDestination''. Death has a plan, but humans sometimes see through it, and if they do, they can avert it and start screwing around with destiny. But since they're now a threat to the cosmic order, the whole system of cause and effect gets twisted into correcting the imbalance and getting rid of them. Though why it feels the need to do it in the most elaborately bloodthirsty way possible is another matter...

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** I might be overthinking the plot, but the manga ''{{Berserk}}'' ''{{Manga/Berserk}}'' has a premise that might be comparable. In it, the world's mostly governed by causality: everyone's individually doing what they think they want to do, but their criss-crossing motives always lead to whatever the PowersThatBe want to happen. But if someone survives the moment that they were supposed to die, they become a wild card. They're not supposed to exist in the world, and everything they do has the potential to throw fate right off its rails. Not coincidentally, all the forces of darkness are hellbent on wiping out the protagonists for exactly that reason. Something pretty similar might be going in ''FinalDestination''. Death has a plan, but humans sometimes see through it, and if they do, they can avert it and start screwing around with destiny. But since they're now a threat to the cosmic order, the whole system of cause and effect gets twisted into correcting the imbalance and getting rid of them. Though why it feels the need to do it in the most elaborately bloodthirsty way possible is another matter...
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* In Final Destination 3, they make it clear that [[spoiler: Ian]] was supposed to die before [[spoiler: Wendy]] - if Kevin hadn't saved him, he would have died earlier and [[spoiler: been unable to cause Wendy's death]]. Makes a person wonder if the fan theory that the visions and survivors dying off are all part of Death's original design all along is true or if the writers just didn't think that one through.
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***Evidently death is only nearly omniscient, like somebody playing ''{{VideoGame/TheSims}}'' or using Google Earth.
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* Am I the only one who thinks this saga lost a lot of sense after second movie? I mean, what's the point on having good ones who predicted a tragedy and saved themselves at the end when they're still in the death's list and they'll finally die in the next movie (like Clear) or in the same one?
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* Why no manslaughter charges for the fireman who accidentally killed Kat?
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** I assume that the reason why he lived so long was that Death assumed he had died in the crash as planned, and simply didn't bother remembering about him. When Nick learns that [[spoiler: Johnathan]] survived, Death learns it too, and takes care of him as soon as possible. This still doesn't explain how Death DIDN'T KNOW about his survival, despite being omnipotent, but it's a start.

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