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18th Jan '16 10:23:31 AM FTD
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[[folder: Whatever happened to M'Lee?]]
* M'Lee was mentioned only once after being picked up by the Peacekeppers in "Bone to Be Wild," where the Scorpius bemoans the loss of the guard assigned to her. After that, her whereabouts and body count are unknown.
18th Jan '16 10:12:56 AM Ambaryerno
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** Jothee's ship didn't circumvent the defenses. They targeted and damaged a critical component after catching ''Decimator'' by surprise by dropping suddenly out of "cloak," and ''that'' temporarily disabled its defenses. And Leviathan's don't have defense screens, unlike Peacekeeper and Scarran warships. Also, the Luxans weren't under Peacekeeper dominion, but an independent power. This is evident in Season 3, when Grayza brings the ambassador aboard Scorpius's carrier as his peoples' representative in a military alliance/mutual defense pact, not as a subject.
18th Jan '16 9:51:50 AM FTD
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* How advanced are Luxans? D'argo's ship is very advanced but described as ancient, and various characters remark that Luxans are considered a savage people and Chiana even says to Jool that most of them didn't learn to read or write until 300 cycles ago. But the existence of D'argo's ship suggests a past Luxan "Golden Age," and then Jothee shows up in the Miniseries with an even more advanced ship that not only remains undetected by the Scarran Flagship, but circumvents its defenses and boards said Flagship, liberating hostages and getting away. So apparently Luxans have superior defense screens, cloaking devices ("deception shrouds"), and weapons (D'argo's "ancient" gunship can disintegrate a fully grown Leviathan at full power) compared to the Peacekeepers and Scarrans.

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* How advanced are Luxans? D'argo's ship is very advanced but described as ancient, and various characters remark that Luxans are considered a savage people and Chiana even says to Jool that most of them didn't learn to read or write until 300 cycles ago. But the existence of D'argo's ship suggests a past Luxan "Golden Age," and then Jothee shows up in the Miniseries with an even more advanced ship that not only remains undetected by the Scarran Flagship, but circumvents its defenses and boards said Flagship, liberating hostages and getting away. So apparently Luxans have superior defense screens, cloaking devices ("deception shrouds"), and weapons (D'argo's "ancient" gunship can disintegrate a fully grown Leviathan at full power) compared to the Peacekeepers and Scarrans.
Scarrans. And yet, they're under Peacekeeper Dominion and threatened by the Scarrans?
18th Jan '16 9:50:36 AM FTD
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* How advanced are Luxans? D'argo's ship is very advanced but described as ancient, and various characters remark that Luxans are considered a savage people and Chiana even says to Jool that most of them didn't learn to read or write until 300 cycles ago. But the existence of D'argo's ship suggests a past Luxan "Golden Age," and then Jothee shows up in the Miniseries with an even more advanced ship that not only remains undetected by the Scarran Flagship, but circumvents its defenses and boards said Flagship, liberating hostages and getting away. So apparently Luxans have superior defense screens, cloaking devices ("deception shrouds"), and weapons (D'argo's "ancient" gunship can disintegrate a fully grown Leviathan at full power) compared to the Peacekeepers and Scarrans.
20th Dec '15 11:02:41 PM harlbior
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Aeryn Sun can't go home to her Peacekeeper planet. In one episode, she wants a [[Main/MadScientist mad scientist]] to find her a Sebacean planet where she would be able to live. However, just a few episodes earlier, they were at a Sebecean planet, and since they just saved that planets ass, it'd make no sense for them to report her. So why didn't she just go down and start living there?
* She wasn't looking for just any planet, she was looking for the planet she came from.
** Nope, she states that she was born in space.
* Because Aeryn has been a Peacekeeper since birth, she's not going to be any more at home on a planet full of Sebacean farmers than she is on Moya, its not Sebaceans that she misses, its the Peacekeeper discipline and lifestyle specifically.
* Because they weren't Sebaceans. They were Sykarans. (According to the Sci-Fi channel site.) Related, but different.
** Indeed; John makes the mistake of assuming they're the same species and gets an earful of CulturalPosturing from Aeryn about it.

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* Aeryn Sun can't go home to her Peacekeeper planet. In one episode, she wants a [[Main/MadScientist mad scientist]] to find her a Sebacean planet where she would be able to live. However, just a few episodes earlier, they were at a Sebecean planet, and since they just saved that planets ass, it'd make no sense for them to report her. So why didn't she just go down and start living there?
* ** She wasn't looking for just any planet, she was looking for the planet she came from.
** *** Nope, she states that she was born in space.
* ** Because Aeryn has been a Peacekeeper since birth, she's not going to be any more at home on a planet full of Sebacean farmers than she is on Moya, its not Sebaceans that she misses, its the Peacekeeper discipline and lifestyle specifically.
* ** Because they weren't Sebaceans. They were Sykarans. (According to the Sci-Fi channel site.) Related, but different.
** *** Indeed; John makes the mistake of assuming they're the same species and gets an earful of CulturalPosturing from Aeryn about it.



* Aeryn's not from any planet. She was born on a [[TheBattlestar Command Carrier]] like most Peacekeepers who aren't conscripted as children, like Crais and his brother were.
* Also, Season 1 Aeryn would not have found any appeal in farming. If she ''had'' to settle on a planet of Sebaceans, she would probably have preferred a commerce planet where she might have been able to get work as a bodyguard or something.

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* ** Aeryn's not from any planet. She was born on a [[TheBattlestar Command Carrier]] like most Peacekeepers who aren't conscripted as children, like Crais and his brother were.
* ** Also, Season 1 Aeryn would not have found any appeal in farming. If she ''had'' to settle on a planet of Sebaceans, she would probably have preferred a commerce planet where she might have been able to get work as a bodyguard or something.



He constantly tries to abandon the ship in the middle of a crisis, usually making the crisis worse as he does so. The ship is usually in the middle of nowhere when disaster strikes, and it's not really clear where he thinks he's going. Since he knows the ship gets into trouble on a regular basis, why doesn't he just disembark on any random commerce planet?
* This was actually addressed. The cousin that deposed him put on bounty on him, so he's not really safe on his own. In a later episode, most of the crew went their separate ways, only to come crawling back to Moya after learning that they ''all'' have bounties on their heads.
* Repeating from the opening post - he tries to abandon the ship in the middle of empty space ALL THE TIME!
** My surprise is why they keep him around anyway. I think that he is just very coward and gets irrational (I never seen him as very smart too) and also between a sinking ship and the ocean, what is the better choice? Plus, "middle of nowhere" is a rather open term, the entire space can be described like that.

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* He constantly tries to abandon the ship in the middle of a crisis, usually making the crisis worse as he does so. The ship is usually in the middle of nowhere when disaster strikes, and it's not really clear where he thinks he's going. Since he knows the ship gets into trouble on a regular basis, why doesn't he just disembark on any random commerce planet?
* ** This was actually addressed. The cousin that deposed him put on bounty on him, so he's not really safe on his own. In a later episode, most of the crew went their separate ways, only to come crawling back to Moya after learning that they ''all'' have bounties on their heads.
* ** Repeating from the opening post - he tries to abandon the ship in the middle of empty space ALL THE TIME!
** My surprise is why they keep him around anyway. I think that he is just very coward cowardly and gets irrational (I never seen him as very smart too) and also between a sinking ship and the ocean, what is the better choice? Plus, "middle of nowhere" is a rather open term, the entire space can be described like that.



*** In her "I'm About to Sacrifice Myself to Save All of You" speech(there's probably a trope for that but I'm lazy), Zhaan refers to Rygel as "wise", and he was -- its just hard to see when he's also a complete selfish ass.

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*** ** In her "I'm About to Sacrifice Myself to Save All of You" speech(there's probably a trope for that but I'm lazy), Zhaan refers to Rygel as "wise", and he was -- its just hard to see when he's also a complete selfish ass.



He could probably pick something better up at an alien pawn shop.
* This troper seems to remember Crichton expressing a desire in Season 1 to get the tapes back to Earth, and it would be more convenient if the humans could actually play them.
* Sentimentality. It's something from Earth, made on Earth by humans. I'm not sure why he had a tape recorder in the cockpit with him in the first place, but still.

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* He could probably pick something better up at an alien pawn shop.
* ** This troper seems to remember Crichton expressing a desire in Season 1 to get the tapes back to Earth, and it would be more convenient if the humans could actually play them.
* ** Sentimentality. It's something from Earth, made on Earth by humans. I'm not sure why he had a tape recorder in the cockpit with him in the first place, but still.



*** Because in the final episode, when the worm hole is closing and John leaves Earth behind, he leaves his notes on the Moon at the Flag his father planted. The notes will give us a few hundred years of technological progress and force us to restart lunar exploration just to get the notes. And by using tape he knows we can use them.
**** How long will that tape stay magnetized?
***** Certainly long enough for one of the many nations on Earth to scramble a mission to the moon. We've been there before, remember? We could dust off the old Saturn 5 blueprints and build another one if we had to.

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*** ** Because in the final episode, when the worm hole is closing and John leaves Earth behind, he leaves his notes on the Moon at the Flag his father planted. The notes will give us a few hundred years of technological progress and force us to restart lunar exploration just to get the notes. And by using tape he knows we can use them.
**** * How long will that tape stay magnetized?
***** ** Certainly long enough for one of the many nations on Earth to scramble a mission to the moon. We've been there before, remember? We could dust off the old Saturn 5 blueprints and build another one if we had to.to.
** Although this would be exceedingly difficult, given that many of the engineers who worked on the Saturn 5 are now dead and the industrial infrastructure that built the original Saturns isn't there anymore.



In the documentary shown in "Constellation of Doubt," they seem to be conversing fluently, but their stay on Earth didn't seem that long in Terra Firma. And if they're not speaking English and we're just hearing them as John would, why isn't the documentary subtitled for viewers who wouldn't have translator microbes?
* Maybe [[HandWave they had the ]][[VoodooShark camera injected with translator microbes.]]
* Maybe they just got the original version, when only the people who interviewed/commented got translator microbes. When they scooped it up for all we know it could have been being ''emailed'', or in the middle of being edited to include said subtitles. That stuff can take time.
* The show made it pretty clear that they were at least attempting to learn English before and during their stay on Earth. The footage may have been from after they got the hang of it.

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* In the documentary shown in "Constellation of Doubt," they seem to be conversing fluently, but their stay on Earth didn't seem that long in Terra Firma. And if they're not speaking English and we're just hearing them as John would, why isn't the documentary subtitled for viewers who wouldn't have translator microbes?
* ** Maybe [[HandWave they had the ]][[VoodooShark camera injected with translator microbes.]]
* ** Maybe they just got the original version, when only the people who interviewed/commented got translator microbes. When they scooped it up for all we know it could have been being ''emailed'', or in the middle of being edited to include said subtitles. That stuff can take time.
* ** The show made it pretty clear that they were at least attempting to learn English before and during their stay on Earth. The footage may have been from after they got the hang of it.



** It could be that the microbes leave the sounds phonetically intact and just sort of overlay meaning over them rather than the listener hearing everything in their own language. That would actually render other langauges easier to learn, and might explain why idiosyncratic phrases are poorly translated and why characters who try to use English phrases (notably Aeryn) end up saying things that sound like, but are amusingly different from, the actual phrase, e.g. "churl power" for "girl power" and "she gives me a woody" for "she gives me the willies."

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** It could be that the microbes leave the sounds phonetically intact and just sort of overlay meaning over them rather than the listener hearing everything in their own language. That would actually render other langauges languages easier to learn, and might explain why idiosyncratic phrases are poorly translated and why characters who try to use English phrases (notably Aeryn) end up saying things that sound like, but are amusingly different from, the actual phrase, e.g. "churl power" for "girl power" and "she gives me a woody" for "she gives me the willies."



One of the very first episodes has them crash-land on a planet that has never seen outer space and treats Crichton like an ET. Unless one argues that these microbes are literally everywhere but Earth, how could they possibly understand him? They seem to be used as a HandWave more often than not.
* If it helps, the "Journey Log" episode recaps on the old official site at least hung a lampshade on that, speculating that maybe there were microbes indigenous to that planet.

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* One of the very first episodes has them crash-land on a planet that has never seen outer space and treats Crichton like an ET. Unless one argues that these microbes are literally everywhere but Earth, how could they possibly understand him? They seem to be used as a HandWave more often than not.
* ** If it helps, the "Journey Log" episode recaps on the old official site at least hung a lampshade on that, speculating that maybe there were microbes indigenous to that planet.



* The world may have been "seeded" by a species that spoke a language the microbes knew, just so long ago that they'd forgotten about it (as shown happening a few other times). Since they would have had translator microbes to start with (and they would have been passed down), this could have kept the language stable enough that John's microbes could still parse it all those cycles later, and they could understand him. Same explanation works for an earlier situation, where the native population is ''explicitly'' stated to have been put there and to have been more advanced at one time.

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* ** The world may have been "seeded" by a species that spoke a language the microbes knew, just so long ago that they'd forgotten about it (as shown happening a few other times). Since they would have had translator microbes to start with (and they would have been passed down), this could have kept the language stable enough that John's microbes could still parse it all those cycles later, and they could understand him. Same explanation works for an earlier situation, where the native population is ''explicitly'' stated to have been put there and to have been more advanced at one time.



Sure, the commanders we have met haven't been too nice but considering the heroes of the show are a bunch of escaped convicts from their point of view how nice should we expect them to be? On my last run through of the series it seemed more like they were like the federation from star trek on the brink of war with an AlwaysChaoticEvil civilization on their border as viewed through the eyes of escaped murderers.
* Well, they're not assumed to be Chaotic Evil- they're ''known'' to be Lawful Evil mercenary police with a penchant for conquering their own clients. As for "escaped murderers," only Zhaan was a murderer- she killed her lover for taking over Delvia (with Peacekeeper assistance). D'Argo was framed by his brother-in-law. Rygel was deposed by his cousin in another Peacekeeper-assisted coup. Aeryn was discharged for spending too much time with aliens. All in all, the Peacekeepers aren't as bad as the Scarrans, but they're certainly not the Federation.
*** The escaped murders line is valid. Zhan, and Dargo were ''convicted murderers''. Dargo may be, in fact, innocent but the Peacekeepers believe him to be guilty. While the reasons for Rygel being overthrown are never made explicit, just listening to the guy talk for 5 minutes will tell you all you need to know about what kind of ruler he was. It's more accurate to say "escaped prisoners" but I don't think that changes the sentiment, or makes it less true. How nicely should the Peacekeepers treat their escaped prisoners?
*** It's made clear that Crais was privy to the fact that D'Argo was innocent, and refused to speak of it. Plus, Rygel's attitude problems don't necessarily mean he was a bad ruler- especially compared to his cousin, who was facing so much bad publicity by ''Peacekeeper Wars'' that he just about ''begged'' Rygel to come back and take over.
** What bugs me is... why are the Scarrans considered to be worse than the Peacekeepers? They do most of the same stuff, good or bad, and both are focused on expanding their territory.

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** Sure, the commanders we have met haven't been too nice but considering the heroes of the show are a bunch of escaped convicts from their point of view how nice should we expect them to be? On my last run through of the series it seemed more like they were like the federation from star trek on the brink of war with an AlwaysChaoticEvil civilization on their border as viewed through the eyes of escaped murderers.
* ** Well, they're not assumed to be Chaotic Evil- they're ''known'' to be Lawful Evil mercenary police with a penchant for conquering their own clients. As for "escaped murderers," only Zhaan was a murderer- she killed her lover for taking over Delvia (with Peacekeeper assistance). D'Argo was framed by his brother-in-law. Rygel was deposed by his cousin in another Peacekeeper-assisted coup. Aeryn was discharged for spending too much time with aliens. All in all, the Peacekeepers aren't as bad as the Scarrans, but they're certainly not the Federation.
*** ** The escaped murders line is valid. Zhan, and Dargo were ''convicted murderers''. Dargo may be, in fact, innocent but the Peacekeepers believe him to be guilty. While the reasons for Rygel being overthrown are never made explicit, just listening to the guy talk for 5 minutes will tell you all you need to know about what kind of ruler he was. It's more accurate to say "escaped prisoners" but I don't think that changes the sentiment, or makes it less true. How nicely should the Peacekeepers treat their escaped prisoners?
*** ** It's made clear that Crais was privy to the fact that D'Argo was innocent, and refused to speak of it. Plus, Rygel's attitude problems don't necessarily mean he was a bad ruler- especially compared to his cousin, who was facing so much bad publicity by ''Peacekeeper Wars'' that he just about ''begged'' Rygel to come back and take over.
** * What bugs me is... why are the Scarrans considered to be worse than the Peacekeepers? They do most of the same stuff, good or bad, and both are focused on expanding their territory.



*** The thing people often forget about the Peacekeeper territories is that the Peacekeepers were ''invited in'' by the legitimate governments of the planets they protect. We've seen only a slim fraction of their command structure and general population, so judging the whole race by the few corrupt officials we've seen may not be entirely fair.
*** We are kind of forgetting that the Peacekeepers aren't a race, but a Sebacean political organizations. An entire species (like the Sebaceans) being AlwaysChaoticEvil is kind of a stretch, but an organization can self-select for certain personality traits.

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*** ** The thing people often forget about the Peacekeeper territories is that the Peacekeepers were ''invited in'' by the legitimate governments of the planets they protect. We've seen only a slim fraction of their command structure and general population, so judging the whole race by the few corrupt officials we've seen may not be entirely fair.
*** ** We are kind of forgetting that the Peacekeepers aren't a race, but a Sebacean political organizations. An entire species (like the Sebaceans) being AlwaysChaoticEvil is kind of a stretch, but an organization can self-select for certain personality traits.



When they go to the Scarran border station in Fetal Attraction, Scorpius introduces himself to the Scarran freighter captain as 'Captain Wentrask' and says something in Scarran to convince the freighter captain that he and his crew are in the Scarran Ministry of Dissimulation. The captain takes this all in stride and I believe calls him 'half-breed' before that little discussion. In season 3 when we got Scorpius' backstory, he's told his Scarran mother was raped by a male Sebacean but after defecting to the Peacekeepers, finds that the opposite is true and that out of 90-something Scarran trials, he's the only one who survived. If he was the only half-Scarran, half-Sebacean in existence, wouldn't the freighter captain thought something was either a) generally fishy or b) knew he was Scorpius the whole time. It's entirely possible that both the Scarrans and Peacekeepers had lied to Scorpius about him being the only Scarran/Sebacean hybrid and we just never saw any others but..yeah. It just bugs me.
* When he calls Scorpius a half-breed, does he specifically identify him as a Scarran/Sebacean half-breed? Hybrids seem to be relatively common in the Farscape verse. Maybe he could tell Scorpy was a half-breed but couldn't nail down his exact ancestry.
* Well we see in season 4, when Aeryn was captured, that the Scarrans have been using other species to breed with in order to try to improve/find an organism they could use as a weapon. I would guess that there are quite a few half-breeds walking around. And it's not like you could look at Scorpius and ''tell'' he was half-subaccean. So yeah, I'm guessing the Scarran just assumed he was another half-breed (non-specific) who rose through military ranks because he was an asset.
* The next episode "Hot to Katratzi" has a moment between Scorpius and the Scarran Emperor where Scorpy says "I've served you for ten cycles as a spy!". I believe this may mean he has the contacts to create false identities for himself...

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* When they go to the Scarran border station in Fetal Attraction, Scorpius introduces himself to the Scarran freighter captain as 'Captain Wentrask' and says something in Scarran to convince the freighter captain that he and his crew are in the Scarran Ministry of Dissimulation. The captain takes this all in stride and I believe calls him 'half-breed' before that little discussion. In season 3 when we got Scorpius' backstory, he's told his Scarran mother was raped by a male Sebacean but after defecting to the Peacekeepers, finds that the opposite is true and that out of 90-something Scarran trials, he's the only one who survived. If he was the only half-Scarran, half-Sebacean in existence, wouldn't the freighter captain thought something was either a) generally fishy or b) knew he was Scorpius the whole time. It's entirely possible that both the Scarrans and Peacekeepers had lied to Scorpius about him being the only Scarran/Sebacean hybrid and we just never saw any others but..yeah. It just bugs me.
* ** When he calls Scorpius a half-breed, does he specifically identify him as a Scarran/Sebacean half-breed? Hybrids seem to be relatively common in the Farscape verse. Maybe he could tell Scorpy was a half-breed but couldn't nail down his exact ancestry.
* ** Well we see in season 4, when Aeryn was captured, that the Scarrans have been using other species to breed with in order to try to improve/find an organism they could use as a weapon. I would guess that there are quite a few half-breeds walking around. And it's not like you could look at Scorpius and ''tell'' he was half-subaccean.half-Sebacean. So yeah, I'm guessing the Scarran just assumed he was another half-breed (non-specific) who rose through military ranks because he was an asset.
* ** The next episode "Hot to Katratzi" has a moment between Scorpius and the Scarran Emperor where Scorpy says "I've served you for ten cycles as a spy!". I believe this may mean he has the contacts to create false identities for himself...



* Too many considering that Crichton's resemblance to the Sebaceans is supposed to be surprising... not believable in a universe where the inhabitants of seemingly every other planet are aliens that look like Sebaceans.

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* Too many many, considering that Crichton's resemblance to the Sebaceans is supposed to be surprising... not believable in a universe where the inhabitants of seemingly every other planet are aliens that look like Sebaceans.



Maybe this was addressed and I missed it, but Stark and Zhaan are seen attending Gilina at the end of the episode in which he is introduced, so we know he was on Moya. And the next episode, they are hiding in an asteroid belt, and he's gone. No explanation of when or how he left?
* In his next appearance (season 2), he thanks them for lending him a transport pod.

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* Maybe this was addressed and I missed it, but Stark and Zhaan are seen attending Gilina at the end of the episode in which he is introduced, so we know he was on Moya. And the next episode, they are hiding in an asteroid belt, and he's gone. No explanation of when or how he left?
* ** In his next appearance (season 2), he thanks them for lending him a transport pod.



In "Liars, Guns, and Money," Scorpius buys the lot of slaves containing D'Argo's son Jothee, so that he can [[IHaveYourWife hold him hostage]] and make Crichton surrender. Thing is, there are 10,000 slaves in the lot, and Scorpius has no use for 9,999 of them. He later gives them to Natira, so that she can sell them and try to recoup some of her losses from the events of the trilogy. Cut to: Stark having a fit because [[MySignificanceSenseIsTingling he just sensed all those slaves dying at once]]. Wait...what? Why would Natira kill them? There's no profit in that!
* There could have been profit in it, depending on how and why they were killed. Maybe Natira sold them to a race that feeds on the brains of sentient species. Also, Natira is in charge of a Shadow Depository and is already spectacularly rich. She can probably afford to massacre 9,000 slaves for shits and giggles.
* The original plan was to give the rest of the slaves to Natira. However, the slave traders weren't willing to go and find Jothee in the crowd, so Scorpius just opened up all the slaves to hard vacuum, relying on Jothee's Luxan ability to survive to separate him from the crowd.
* When exactly was this stated? I know for a fact that the slave traders enforced a bulk-buy, but it's never specifically stated that Scorpius did a damn thing other than send a Marauder to pick Jothee up. He never said he was going to kill them, he didn't order the Marauder crew to kill them: all he said was that Natira could have the remaining 9999. Why would exposing them to vacuum be necessary at all? The slaves are all Banik; Jothee is half-Luxan: it's not that hard to tell them apart. Why would Scorpius bother? ''When was this stated?''

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* In "Liars, Guns, and Money," Scorpius buys the lot of slaves containing D'Argo's son Jothee, so that he can [[IHaveYourWife hold him hostage]] and make Crichton surrender. Thing is, there are 10,000 slaves in the lot, and Scorpius has no use for 9,999 of them. He later gives them to Natira, so that she can sell them and try to recoup some of her losses from the events of the trilogy. Cut to: Stark having a fit because [[MySignificanceSenseIsTingling he just sensed all those slaves dying at once]]. Wait...what? Why would Natira kill them? There's no profit in that!
* ** There could have been profit in it, depending on how and why they were killed. Maybe Natira sold them to a race that feeds on the brains of sentient species. Also, Natira is in charge of a Shadow Depository and is already spectacularly rich. She can probably afford to massacre 9,000 slaves for shits and giggles.
* ** The original plan was to give the rest of the slaves to Natira. However, the slave traders weren't willing to go and find Jothee in the crowd, so Scorpius just opened up all the slaves to hard vacuum, relying on Jothee's Luxan ability to survive to separate him from the crowd.
* ** When exactly was this stated? I know for a fact that the slave traders enforced a bulk-buy, but it's never specifically stated that Scorpius did a damn thing other than send a Marauder to pick Jothee up. He never said he was going to kill them, he didn't order the Marauder crew to kill them: all he said was that Natira could have the remaining 9999. Why would exposing them to vacuum be necessary at all? The slaves are all Banik; Jothee is half-Luxan: it's not that hard to tell them apart. Why would Scorpius bother? ''When was this stated?''



In "Kansas," most of the crew of Moya visits Earth in the year 1985. When they get there, every single one of them is shown to be capable of holding a conversation in English with the locals, none of whom have been injected with TranslatorMicrobes. Now, it had been previously established that Sikozou (who didn't go on that trip) had learned English from Crichton due to her photographic memory, and that Aeryn (who did go) had painstakingly taught herself the language, but does anyone believe that Chiana, Rygel, D'Argo, and (especially) Noranti had learned it?
* How many conversations between the Moya crewmates and the local humans do we actually see? It seemed to me that all the on-screen conversations between aliens and humans in that episode involved humans who could plausibly have accepted translator microbes. When they were out touring Earth off-screen they could have had a translator assisting them.

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* In "Kansas," most of the crew of Moya visits Earth in the year 1985. When they get there, every single one of them is shown to be capable of holding a conversation in English with the locals, none of whom have been injected with TranslatorMicrobes. Now, it had been previously established that Sikozou (who didn't go on that trip) had learned English from Crichton due to her photographic memory, and that Aeryn (who did go) had painstakingly taught herself the language, but does anyone believe that Chiana, Rygel, D'Argo, and (especially) Noranti had learned it?
* ** How many conversations between the Moya crewmates and the local humans do we actually see? It seemed to me that all the on-screen conversations between aliens and humans in that episode involved humans who could plausibly have accepted translator microbes. When they were out touring Earth off-screen they could have had a translator assisting them.



** If Chiana had already injected Crichton with translator microbes when he was a teenager, why would he need them again as an adult when he first boarded Moya? And how would she have explained it? I suppose we can accept that Granny injected the Sheriff and his men with them while they were out, but that is hard to buy.
*** Ah, my mistake. I misread your JBM and thought you were referring to Terra Firma. In that case I have no explanation.
*** She doesn't seem to hold up too big of a conversation with Crichton, so maybe it just seems like she was talking "normal" English so the viewers wouldn't have to struggle with her accent.

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** * If Chiana had already injected Crichton with translator microbes when he was a teenager, why would he need them again as an adult when he first boarded Moya? And how would she have explained it? I suppose we can accept that Granny injected the Sheriff and his men with them while they were out, but that is hard to buy.
*** ** Ah, my mistake. I misread your JBM and thought you were referring to Terra Firma."Terra Firma". In that case I have no explanation.
*** ** She doesn't seem to hold up too big of a conversation with Crichton, so maybe it just seems like she was talking "normal" English so the viewers wouldn't have to struggle with her accent.



** Why do the DRD have a reserve of translator microbes in the first place when everyone is already suppose to have them?
*** They're floating around in Moya's body. She could just have them extracted from herself.
*** It makes sense that the DRDs are prepared for every eventuality, including alien visitors who have had no contact with them previously. Even more likely, they are prepared in case someone is born aboard the Leviathan, and needs to be injected with them.

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** * Why do the DRD have a reserve of translator microbes in the first place when everyone is already suppose to have them?
*** ** They're floating around in Moya's body. She could just have them extracted from herself.
*** ** It makes sense that the DRDs are prepared for every eventuality, including alien visitors who have had no contact with them previously. Even more likely, they are prepared in case someone is born aboard the Leviathan, and needs to be injected with them.



Scorpius is cool and all but it seems... unbelievable a warm blooded lizard and a cold blooded mammal could ever produce an offspring.
* Sebaceans aren't cold-blooded. They're endothermic like all mammals. They simply have a very low tolerance for temperatures above their optimum. There's a difference. If they were cold-blooded they wouldn't have any problem with heat because outside temperatures would be the main way through which they'd regulate their body temperature. It is because they are warm-blooded that they cannot tolerate much more heat than their optimal temperature. It takes less time for them to overheat.

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* Scorpius is cool and all but it seems... unbelievable a warm blooded lizard and a cold blooded mammal could ever produce an offspring.
* ** Sebaceans aren't cold-blooded. They're endothermic like all mammals. They simply have a very low tolerance for temperatures above their optimum. There's a difference. If they were cold-blooded they wouldn't have any problem with heat because outside temperatures would be the main way through which they'd regulate their body temperature. It is because they are warm-blooded that they cannot tolerate much more heat than their optimal temperature. It takes less time for them to overheat.



*** Scarrans have the technology to transfer foetuses (foeti?) between women. It is entirely plausible that with sufficiently advanced technology and the canonical fact that there was a massive failure rate indicating that they tried this a lot of times, they could manage it once (and even then, the mother died in the process).

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*** ** Scarrans have the technology to transfer foetuses (foeti?) between women. It is entirely plausible that with sufficiently advanced technology and the canonical fact that there was a massive failure rate indicating that they tried this a lot of times, they could manage it once (and even then, the mother died in the process).



Was this ever addressed? Isn't Starbursting something only Leviathans can do?
* The nearest thing non-Leviathans have is the strictly un-starbustlike Hetch Drive; all it does is stop travel between planets and nearby star systems from dragging on for years. It also happens to be the reason why Wormhole travel is so desirable.
* Hetch Drive is explicitly stated to be FTL. It's responsible for the CasualInterstellarTravel in the setting. Starburst, on the other hand, is implied to be much faster and untraceable: unlike Hetch Drive, which is easy to track, Starburst, by virtue of its unpredictable process (you enter another dimension, ride an energy wave, and end up in a pretty much random location), is preferable if you're trying to stay under the radar of the Peacekeepers or the Scarrans.
* In one episode, John watches as Aeryn's Prowler sort of dematerializes into energy/plasma/mist. The episode never makes it clear if this is Peacekeeper FTL technology or just an abstract way of visualizing John and Aeryn's emotional separation.
* As we never, ever see this happen again, I'd say it's most definitely abstract visualization.

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* Was this ever addressed? Isn't Starbursting something only Leviathans can do?
* ** The nearest thing non-Leviathans have is the strictly un-starbustlike Hetch Drive; all it does is stop travel between planets and nearby star systems from dragging on for years. It also happens to be the reason why Wormhole travel is so desirable.
* ** Hetch Drive is explicitly stated to be FTL. It's responsible for the CasualInterstellarTravel in the setting. Starburst, on the other hand, is implied to be much faster and untraceable: unlike Hetch Drive, which is easy to track, Starburst, by virtue of its unpredictable process (you enter another dimension, ride an energy wave, and end up in a pretty much random location), is preferable if you're trying to stay under the radar of the Peacekeepers or the Scarrans.
* ** In one episode, John watches as Aeryn's Prowler sort of dematerializes into energy/plasma/mist. The episode never makes it clear if this is Peacekeeper FTL technology or just an abstract way of visualizing John and Aeryn's emotional separation.
* ** As we never, ever see this happen again, I'd say it's most definitely abstract visualization.



So, Moya's part of this grand scientific experiment to breed a half-Leviathan/half-warship. And the experiment is so important that Crais is able to get authorization to have the original Pilot executed and replaced with a new one. Then why is she still being deployed in the field as a prison transport, rather than being kept somewhere where scientists can observe her and she won't run the risk of being damaged or stolen?
* In all likelihood, because nobody figured out where Velorek's sabotage had taken place and Moya failed to concieve a child, the Peacekeepers probably gave up on Moya and returned her to the field; in the meantime, they either tried the same thing with a different Leviathan, or scrapped the project altogether.

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* So, Moya's part of this grand scientific experiment to breed a half-Leviathan/half-warship. And the experiment is so important that Crais is able to get authorization to have the original Pilot executed and replaced with a new one. Then why is she still being deployed in the field as a prison transport, rather than being kept somewhere where scientists can observe her and she won't run the risk of being damaged or stolen?
* ** In all likelihood, because nobody figured out where Velorek's sabotage had taken place and Moya failed to concieve a child, the Peacekeepers probably gave up on Moya and returned her to the field; in the meantime, they either tried the same thing with a different Leviathan, or scrapped the project altogether.



When Scorpius implanted the neural chip in Crichton's head, why didn't he also put a tracking device in there?
* There probably wasn't enough room left. In all seriousness, "Look At The Princess" showed that he had other means of tracking Crichton- hence the reason he tended to show up on planets Moya was visiting.
* No tracking device small enough to fit inside a man's head has the necessary range to keep up with a starbursting Leviathan.
* Besides, the neural chip was also designed to take control of Crichton's brain; once it had the wormhole knowledge, it'd simply take him over and use the nearest communications system to broadcast his location to Scorpius- which it did in Die Me Dichotomy. No need for a tracking device when you've got that on hand.

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* When Scorpius implanted the neural chip in Crichton's head, why didn't he also put a tracking device in there?
* ** There probably wasn't enough room left. In all seriousness, "Look At The Princess" showed that he had other means of tracking Crichton- hence the reason he tended to show up on planets Moya was visiting.
* ** No tracking device small enough to fit inside a man's head has the necessary range to keep up with a starbursting Leviathan.
* ** Besides, the neural chip was also designed to take control of Crichton's brain; once it had the wormhole knowledge, it'd simply take him over and use the nearest communications system to broadcast his location to Scorpius- which it did in Die Me Dichotomy. No need for a tracking device when you've got that on hand.



What exactly was T'raltixx hoping to accomplish by turning Moya into the galaxy's largest floodlight? I've watched it several times now, and I'm still unclear. Did they ever explain what the point of the exercise was?
* T'raltixx's species seems to feed on light somehow. And just before being defeated he says there are thousands more of his species out there who will find another leviathan and use it to "spread across the galaxy like a plague". So his goal was to take over the world.

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* What exactly was T'raltixx hoping to accomplish by turning Moya into the galaxy's largest floodlight? I've watched it several times now, and I'm still unclear. Did they ever explain what the point of the exercise was?
* ** T'raltixx's species seems to feed on light somehow. And just before being defeated he says there are thousands more of his species out there who will find another leviathan and use it to "spread across the galaxy like a plague". So his goal was to take over the world.



In Season One, Moya was well lit. From Season Two on, the set was fairly dark. Does anyone know if the writers ever had a reason?
* Symbolism perhaps? To indicate the gradual darkening of the mood of the show?
* Moya also gets fairly beaten up over the course of the series, so it may be an indication of her internal lighting failing due to damage. Since the crew is constantly on the run they never had the opportunity to get her properly repaired.
* It's also possible that from season two on they may have started using better cameras, and suddenly the sets didn't look so good anymore. It was either lower the lights or build all new sets, and one is a lot cheaper than the other.
* Not so. All of the Farscape series (not sure about Peacekeeper Wars) was shot on 3-perf 35mm, a fact that's only remembered because the 3-perf was unusual enough that Panavision had to ship in cameras from LA. The lighting changes are just choices by the director of photography, in much the same way that some of the paint-job makeups changed between seasons.

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* In Season One, Moya was well lit. From Season Two on, the set was fairly dark. Does anyone know if the writers ever had a reason?
* ** Symbolism perhaps? To indicate the gradual darkening of the mood of the show?
* ** Moya also gets fairly beaten up over the course of the series, so it may be an indication of her internal lighting failing due to damage. Since the crew is constantly on the run they never had the opportunity to get her properly repaired.
* ** It's also possible that from season two on they may have started using better cameras, and suddenly the sets didn't look so good anymore. It was either lower the lights or build all new sets, and one is a lot cheaper than the other.
* ** Not so. All of the Farscape series (not sure about Peacekeeper Wars) was shot on 3-perf 35mm, a fact that's only remembered because the 3-perf was unusual enough that Panavision had to ship in cameras from LA. The lighting changes are just choices by the director of photography, in much the same way that some of the paint-job makeups changed between seasons.



Starburst is said to be random, but in what sense of the word "random"? When Moya starbursts does she literally pop out at a completely random location in space? And if so, how does she navigate?
* Could be that the distance is random, but not the direction. Or at least the general direction. So navigation would work as 1) Reference starcharts 2) Point in direction of destination 3) Starburst 4) Check location, realign direction 5) Starburst again when possible.
* It's especially a problem in "Bad Timing," when Moya executes an ''extended'' Starburst with a specified destination. Granted, it's a difficult and disconcerting experience for everyone involved...

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* Starburst is said to be random, but in what sense of the word "random"? When Moya starbursts does she literally pop out at a completely random location in space? And if so, how does she navigate?
* ** Could be that the distance is random, but not the direction. Or at least the general direction. So navigation would work as 1) Reference starcharts 2) Point in direction of destination 3) Starburst 4) Check location, realign direction 5) Starburst again when possible.
* ** It's especially a problem in "Bad Timing," when Moya executes an ''extended'' Starburst with a specified destination. Granted, it's a difficult and disconcerting experience for everyone involved...



*** Moreover, it might actually force Luxans to go out and ''fight more'', since it might be as effective as just hitting yourself. A cowardly Luxan who ran from a fight and then was too afraid of the pain to hit himself would die... may as well be brave about it!
*** Also, some organs and functions just stick around in an organism even though they are detrimental. Evolution won't weed out all bad traits if they don't prevent the creature from successfully and frequently passing on those genes.
* Why would luxans use tattoos to denote military rank? First, tattoos are fairly permanent. A soldier would have to have his tattoo painfully burned off and replaced with a new one every time he advanced in rank. Second, why put the tattoo on the chin tentacles? I assume they want it to be visible, but why not a nice flat surface like the neck or the upper chest so you can actually tell what it is? When I first saw Dargo I didn't even realize he had a tattoo. I thought luxans had naturally spotty skin around the chin area.

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*** ** Moreover, it might actually force Luxans to go out and ''fight more'', since it might be as effective as just hitting yourself. A cowardly Luxan who ran from a fight and then was too afraid of the pain to hit himself would die... may as well be brave about it!
*** ** Also, some organs and functions just stick around in an organism even though they are detrimental. Evolution won't weed out all bad traits if they don't prevent the creature from successfully and frequently passing on those genes.
* Why would luxans Luxans use tattoos to denote military rank? First, tattoos are fairly permanent. A soldier would have to have his tattoo painfully burned off and replaced with a new one every time he advanced in rank. Second, why put the tattoo on the chin tentacles? I assume they want it to be visible, but why not a nice flat surface like the neck or the upper chest so you can actually tell what it is? When I first saw Dargo I didn't even realize he had a tattoo. I thought luxans Luxans had naturally spotty skin around the chin area.



** And just because ''you'' didn't realize that the chin markings are tattoos doesn't mean the luxans can't. It's prominent on the face. And necks aren't flat surfaces.

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** And just because ''you'' didn't realize that the chin markings are tattoos doesn't mean the luxans Luxans can't. It's prominent on the face. And necks aren't flat surfaces.



*** Actually, the when they discussed it Pilot said the only account of a leviathan landing on a planet is only a legend. Also that young leviathans only "see how close they can get", not actually touch the planet.

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*** ** Actually, the when they discussed it Pilot said the only account of a leviathan landing on a planet is only a legend. Also that young leviathans only "see how close they can get", not actually touch the planet.



*** But he's in the correct time-space in the next episode, being showered with gifts, and still changes back into leather pants when he leaves Earth.
*** Because [[DracoInLeatherPants Crichton in leather pants.]]

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*** ** But he's in the correct time-space in the next episode, being showered with gifts, and still changes back into leather pants when he leaves Earth.
*** ** Because [[DracoInLeatherPants Crichton in leather pants.]]
20th Dec '15 9:02:39 PM harlbior
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Aeryn Sun can't go home to her Peacekeeper planet. In one episode, she wants a [[Main/MadScientist mad scientist]] to find her a sebacean planet where she would be able to live. However, just a few episodes earlier, they were at a sebecean planet, and since they just saved that planets ass, it'd make no sense for them to report her. So why didn't she just go down and start living there?

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Aeryn Sun can't go home to her Peacekeeper planet. In one episode, she wants a [[Main/MadScientist mad scientist]] to find her a sebacean Sebacean planet where she would be able to live. However, just a few episodes earlier, they were at a sebecean Sebecean planet, and since they just saved that planets ass, it'd make no sense for them to report her. So why didn't she just go down and start living there?


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** Not to mention that Sykar was a terrible choice to settle down on to begin with. It's quite hot during the day (don't forget that Sebaceans have a terrible time with heat).
18th Dec '15 3:02:38 AM harlbior
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[[WMG:Why did Aeryn stay on Moya at first?]]

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[[WMG:The assumption that the Peacekeepers are {{Always Chaotic Evil}}.]]

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** "Sebaceanoid" aliens frequently had unusually colored hair, irises, or skin pigments that set them off, if only slightly, for the more human-looking full Sebaceans. However, at least twos Sebacean, Scorpius's nurse and Commandant Mele-On Grayza, had unusually colored irises like some of the near-Sebaceans the crew encountered on various planets. So it's possible that all these more or less HumanAliens are ''all'' Sebaceans, but from different ethnic groups, some of these ethnic groups being overrepresented in the Peacekeepers while others (the lighter-eyed varieties) are rare or virtually absent. Litigarians, another Sebacean-like species, actually had dark spots covering their bald heads which made them look more like RubberForeheadAliens when they took their [[NiceHat nice]] [[PlanetOfHats hats]] off.

[[WMG:What Happened to Stark?]]

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** "Sebaceanoid" aliens frequently had unusually colored hair, irises, or skin pigments that set them off, if only slightly, for the more human-looking full Sebaceans. However, at least twos Sebacean, Scorpius's nurse and Commandant Mele-On Grayza, had unusually colored irises like some of the near-Sebaceans the crew encountered on various planets. So it's possible that all these more or less HumanAliens are ''all'' Sebaceans, but from different ethnic groups, some of these ethnic groups being overrepresented in the Peacekeepers while others (the lighter-eyed varieties) are rare or virtually absent. Litigarians, another Sebacean-like species, actually had dark spots covering their bald heads which made them look more like RubberForeheadAliens when they took their [[NiceHat nice]] [[PlanetOfHats hats]] off.

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[[WMG: Moya in the field.]]

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[[WMG: What happened to Moya's internal lighting?]]

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27th Nov '15 10:12:45 AM harlbior
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-In his next appearance (season 2) he thanks them for lending him a transport pod.

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-In * In his next appearance (season 2) 2), he thanks them for lending him a transport pod.
27th Nov '15 2:28:49 AM erforce
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** Take a look at the progression of the Tatau in ''FarCry3'' for how this might work.

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** Take a look at the progression of the Tatau in ''FarCry3'' ''VideoGame/FarCry3'' for how this might work.
8th Nov '15 3:14:40 AM CrypticMirror
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*** That's not what that trope means. That trope has a stupid name.

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*** That's not what that trope means. That trope has a stupid name.
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