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* It's possible that their exclusion is foreshadowing that Vault-Tec wasn't as open with the Enclave as previously believed. Poseidon Energy was the company closest to the US and Enclave before the war, so its possible they were excluded because Vault-Tec thought they would spoil the plan.
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** The hour the bombs fell isn't consistent. In Fallout 3 for instance it's said to have happened in the afternoon when the elementary school kids on visit to the Lamplight Caverns were packing to go home. In New Vegas the bombs were said to have fallen on the night of the Gala Event in the Sierra Madre, so probably very early in the morning in Nevada. So take the nuclear bomb scene in the show as ArtisticLicense.
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*** At the time of ''Fallout 2'', the NCR's population sits somewhere around 700,000. By the time of ''New Vegas'' and the television show, the population of Shady Sands is apparently 30,000-it's likely the overall population of the NCR at the time is now somewhere in the millions. The ''New Vegas''-era NCR controls multiple major cities spread across five states, and has worked to re-establish pre-war infrastructure like roadways, railroads, and telegraph lines; they're so strong and well-developed that they can take on the Brotherhood and win. The East Coast, by contrast, is a small, barely-developed region; "cities" like Megaton or Diamond City are little more than shantytowns made up of a few hundred people squatting in old buildings. The Brotherhood might ''control'' areas like the Commonwealth or the Capitol Wasteland, but they don't care about anything other than seizing old technology, and there's no real indication that they've worked to ''develop'' the area anywhere close to the extent that the NCR did with its territory. And, of course, all of this is also contingent on just how much Hank, and by extension whatever branch of Vault-Tec he controls, ''knows'' what's going on on the other side of the country. Shady Sands was right next door to Vault 33, and its destruction was as much of an act of spite as it was a calculated decision.

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*** **** At the time of ''Fallout 2'', the NCR's population sits somewhere around 700,000. By the time of ''New Vegas'' and the television show, the population of Shady Sands is apparently 30,000-it's likely the overall population of the NCR at the time is now somewhere in the millions. The ''New Vegas''-era NCR controls multiple major cities spread across five states, and has worked to re-establish pre-war infrastructure like roadways, railroads, and telegraph lines; they're so strong and well-developed that they can take on the Brotherhood and win. The East Coast, by contrast, is a small, barely-developed region; "cities" like Megaton or Diamond City are little more than shantytowns made up of a few hundred people squatting in old buildings. The Brotherhood might ''control'' areas like the Commonwealth or the Capitol Wasteland, but they don't care about anything other than seizing old technology, and there's no real indication that they've worked to ''develop'' the area anywhere close to the extent that the NCR did with its territory. And, of course, all of this is also contingent on just how much Hank, and by extension whatever branch of Vault-Tec he controls, ''knows'' what's going on on the other side of the country. Shady Sands was right next door to Vault 33, and its destruction was as much of an act of spite as it was a calculated decision.
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** It's mentioned in passing that there was research being made into immortality.


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** It's mentioned that people who draw attention to Vault-Tec's plans are discredited as being communists. One of the fathers refers to Howard as a "pinko." He probably did try to reveal the information but had no real proof, so they could say he was either a jealous ex or a communist spreading lies.
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* Could be that they actively refused to participate in Vault Tec's mad scheme because they're not as StupidEvil as every other megacorp. Someone has to be the OnlySaneMan.

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* Could be that they actively refused to participate in Vault Tec's mad scheme because they're not as StupidEvil as every other megacorp. Someone has to be the OnlySaneMan.be.
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* Could be that they actively refused to participate in Vault Tec's mad scheme because they're not as StupidEvil as every other megacorp. Someone has to be the OnlySaneMan.
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** Perhaps the plan was get Lucy to secluded location, keep her distracted and out of harm's way. But Lucy fought back and Monty ended up going off script.
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**** At the time of ''Fallout 2'', the NCR's population sits somewhere around 700,000. By the time of ''New Vegas'' and the television show, the population of Shady Sands is apparently 30,000-it's likely the overall population of the NCR at the time is now somewhere in the millions. The ''New Vegas''-era NCR controls multiple major cities spread across five states, and has worked to re-establish pre-war infrastructure like roadways, railroads, and telegraph lines; they're so strong and well-developed that they can take on the Brotherhood and win. The East Coast, by contrast, is a small, barely-developed region; "cities" like Megaton or Diamond City are little more than shantytowns made up of a few hundred people squatting in old buildings. The Brotherhood might ''control'' areas like the Commonwealth or the Capitol Wasteland, but they don't care about anything other than seizing old technology, and there's no real indication that they've worked to ''develop'' the area anywhere close to the extent that the NCR did with its territory. And, of course, all of this is also contingent on just how much Hank, and by extension whatever branch of Vault-Tec he controls, ''knows'' what's going on on the other side of the country. Shady Sands was right next door to Vault 33, and its destruction was as much of an act of spite as it was a calculated decision.
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Why wasn't there an executive of Poseidon Energy at the evil corporate meeting in Episode 8? It was a very powerful corporation pre-war with ties to the Enclave.
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*** They themselves are not nations but practically own entire states at their peaks. Terminal entries in Fallout 4 explicitly state the amount of influence the Brotherhood have the Capital Wasteland for example. This distinction makes little difference, almost like saying that the leading political party of an one-party nation aren't themselves a nation even if they are the governing body.
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** The chips are heavily stacked against Howard in managing to get this revealed. In episode one, we already see that he's been reduced to doing birthday parties to get by, has alimony payments, and is deemed a pinko. Which means between his last seen in episode 8 and then, he's been blacklisted, deemed a communist, and divorced. In the political climate of the setting, the fact he was going to communist meetings is already going to be a mark against him since they could easily find that out. But he's going against Vault-Tec, a trillion dollar company with absolutely no morals. They definitely have the resources to deny everything he says about them, get him blacklisted by the industry, marked as a communist so nobody will want him or believe him, and probably punish his wife if they find out it was her Pip Boy he bugged. This is a business that's got no issue killing people, too, so 'just' bringing him down to that state is easily in their ability. Especially since all he has to go on is hearing the meeting, no recording or physical proof of it.

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** The chips are heavily stacked against Howard in managing to get this revealed. In episode one, we already see that he's been reduced to doing birthday parties to get by, has alimony payments, and is deemed a pinko. Which means between his last seen scene in episode 8 and then, he's been blacklisted, deemed a communist, and divorced. In the political climate of the setting, the fact he was going to communist meetings is already going to be a mark against him since they could easily find that out. But he's going against Vault-Tec, a trillion dollar company with absolutely no morals. They definitely have the resources to deny everything he says about them, get him blacklisted by the industry, marked as a communist so nobody will want him or believe him, and probably punish his wife if they find out it was her Pip Boy he bugged. This is a business that's got no issue killing people, too, so 'just' bringing him down to that state is easily in their ability. Especially since all he has to go on is hearing the meeting, no recording or physical proof of it.
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* Remote detonation of Vault 15's reactor or GECK?
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** The Brotherhood and Enclave aren't really "civilizations" as much as they are comparatively small groups of like-minded individuals with access to advanced technology-the Enclave is a highly secretive group that operates mostly from the shadows, and the Brotherhood is so widely dispersed that a single nuke wouldn't do much beyond wiping out a chapters. The NCR was a ''nation'', a self-sufficient democracy with agriculture, industry, reasonable standards of living, and a standing military... in other words, exactly the kind of society that Vault-Tec couldn't abide.

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** The Brotherhood and Enclave aren't really "civilizations" as much as they are comparatively small groups of like-minded individuals with access to advanced technology-the Enclave is a highly secretive group that operates mostly from the shadows, and the Brotherhood is so widely dispersed that a single nuke wouldn't do much beyond wiping out a chapters.single chapter. The NCR was a ''nation'', a self-sufficient democracy with agriculture, industry, reasonable standards of living, and a standing military... in other words, exactly the kind of society that Vault-Tec couldn't abide.
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** The final episode all but reveals that Vault-Tec and its allies have the capacity to arm and fire at least one nuclear warhead, but doesn't outright reveal that they were the ones responsible for kicking off the Great War-it's entirely possible that events spiraled out of control without their interference, and the nuke they launched at Shady Sands was the same one they intended to drop on the US or China.
** The Brotherhood and Enclave aren't really "civilizations" as much as they are comparatively small groups of like-minded individuals with access to advanced technology-the Enclave is a highly secretive group that operates mostly from the shadows, and the Brotherhood is so widely dispersed that a single nuke wouldn't do much beyond wiping out a chapters. The NCR was a ''nation'', a self-sufficient democracy with agriculture, industry, reasonable standards of living, and a standing military.

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** The final episode all but reveals implies that Vault-Tec and its allies have the capacity to arm and fire at least one nuclear warhead, but doesn't outright reveal that they were the ones responsible for kicking off the Great War-it's entirely possible that events spiraled out of control without their interference, and the nuke they launched at Shady Sands was the same one they intended to drop on the US or China.
** The Brotherhood and Enclave aren't really "civilizations" as much as they are comparatively small groups of like-minded individuals with access to advanced technology-the Enclave is a highly secretive group that operates mostly from the shadows, and the Brotherhood is so widely dispersed that a single nuke wouldn't do much beyond wiping out a chapters. The NCR was a ''nation'', a self-sufficient democracy with agriculture, industry, reasonable standards of living, and a standing military.
military... in other words, exactly the kind of society that Vault-Tec couldn't abide.
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** The final episode all but reveals that Vault-Tec and its allies have the capacity to arm and fire at least one nuclear warhead, but doesn't outright reveal that they were the ones responsible for kicking off the Great War-it's entirely possible that events spiraled out of control without their interference, and the nuke they launched at Shady Sands was the same one they intended to drop on the US or China.
** The Brotherhood and Enclave aren't really "civilizations" as much as they are comparatively small groups of like-minded individuals with access to advanced technology-the Enclave is a highly secretive group that operates mostly from the shadows, and the Brotherhood is so widely dispersed that a single nuke wouldn't do much beyond wiping out a chapters. The NCR was a ''nation'', a self-sufficient democracy with agriculture, industry, reasonable standards of living, and a standing military.
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** Really, such [[DidntThinkThisThrough dipshittery]] is pretty on-brand for the Fallout megacorps. The same megacorps which programmed worker robots to kill people for not wearing hard-hats and trying to sneak onto subway trains to reduce lawsuits. The same megacorps who put the disembodied brains of psychopaths into combat droids because they wanted them to think for themselves in order to increase combat efficiency. The same megacorps who fed children mutagenic nutrient goo and outlawed bag-lunches.

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** Really, such [[DidntThinkThisThrough dipshittery]] short-sightedness]] is pretty on-brand for the Fallout megacorps. The same megacorps which programmed worker robots to kill people for not wearing hard-hats and trying to sneak onto subway trains to reduce lawsuits. The same megacorps who put the disembodied brains of psychopaths into combat droids because they wanted them to think for themselves in order to increase combat efficiency. The same megacorps who fed children mutagenic nutrient goo and outlawed bag-lunches.
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** Really, such [[DidntThinkThisThrough dipshittery]] is pretty on-brand for the Fallout megacorps. The same megacorps which programmed worker robots to kill people for not wearing hard-hats and trying to sneak onto subway trains to reduce lawsuits. The same megacorps who put the disembodied brains of psychopaths into combat droids because they wanted them to think for themselves in order to increase combat efficiency. The same megacorps who fed children mutagenic nutrient goo and outlawed bag-lunches.
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How did Hank McLean access, aim, and launch a nuke at Shady Sands? And why not nuke other competing civilizations like the Brotherhood or Enclave, if Vault-Tec's reclamation plan relies on a blank slate on the surface?

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How did Hank McLean access, aim, and launch a nuke at Shady Sands? And why not nuke other competing civilizations like the Brotherhood or Enclave, if Vault-Tec's reclamation plan relies on a blank slate on the surface?
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** The commercial for Vault 4 says that it will host two hundred people; it's likely that Vault 33's population is somewhere in this ballpark.


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** As per ''Fallout 2'', most of the first generation Super Mutants that didn't commit suicide after the death of the Master deliberately fled New California. Most of the Broken Hills mutants that stayed behind eventually wandered west to places like Jacobstown or Utobitha.
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** Honestly it's more bizarre how Super Mutants and FEV are absolutely everywhere in the games. It's a wonder how it ever remained a secret given every single slice of America hosted some poorly run biotech lab with very lax security churning out abominations of science by the dozen. Especially in California they should be extremely rare by now, it's been 135 years since the last Super Mutant was created.
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** Just listen to Mr House or Valery Barstow, they're both very enthusiastic about creating a new world.
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*The timetable of the Great War has the first bombs dropping on the US at 9:42am EST October 23 (6:42am PST) with the West Coast and East Coast (specifically New York and Pennsylvania) getting hit first, with DC and Boston following five minutes later at 9:47am. So how is it possible for a kid's birthday party to be going on in LA when it's supposed to be the early hours (the sun wouldn't even be out until around 7am) and not to mention most of the city would be asleep at that time? It looks to be midday/early afternoon judging by the amount of sunlight.
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* It's weird that this is a Fallout show on the West Coast, where the Super Mutants and Nightkin were created from the FEV vats, we don't see any. I know the show 15 years after New Vegas and likely most of the Mutants have been eradicated by now. The only mention of them is by the Med-Tek guy in "The Beginning" talking about having a Vault specifically for engineering "super soldiers" (reference to Vault 87 In Fallout3). I guess they're saving all that for subsequent seasons. There's also the briefest, blink-and-you'll-miss-it moment where Dr. Wilzig sees a disfigured body under a sheet being rolled away, but that could be any kind of horrible Enclave experiment.
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** The chips are heavily stacked against Howard in managing to get this revealed. In episode one, we already see that he's been reduced to doing birthday parties to get by, has alimony payments, and is deemed a pinko. Which means between his last seen in episode 8 and then, he's been blacklisted, deemed a communist, and divorced. In the political climate of the setting, the fact he was going to communist meetings is already going to be a mark against him since they could easily find that out. But he's going against Vault-Tec, a trillion dollar company with absolutely no morals. They definitely have the resources to deny everything he says about them, get him blacklisted by the industry, marked as a communist so nobody will want him or believe him, and probably punish his wife if they find out it was her Pip Boy he bugged. This is a business that's got no issue killing people, too, so 'just' bringing him down to that state is easily in their ability. Especially since all he has to go on is hearing the meeting, no recording or physical proof of it.
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* The finale has Howard overhearing the board, especially his own wife, openly discussing setting off World War III and killing the world just to make money. So why the hell did he not tell anyone? Instead, they just get divorced and he's seen making money on party appearances while the apocalypse is nigh. Sure, the story sounds crazy but even just an attempt to tell the press about this seems better than letting Armageddon happen.
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