History Headscratchers / EternalSunshineOfTheSpotlessMind

11th Feb '16 8:35:41 PM Sarah1281
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** We already saw what happened when a person who can't remember meets someone who brings up the previous relationship. Joel was confused and disturbed by Patrick demanding to know what he was doing there and Clementine (after she had heard the truth) was wary when that one guy knew her at Joel's apartment.
1st Jul '15 3:05:24 PM Mersadeon
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*** That's because you can't learn from mistakes you can't remember. Of course Mary falls for the Doctor again - since she can't remember that it already happened, nothing is stopping her from falling for him again.
27th Dec '14 9:56:24 PM morenaxo
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* There's an obvious paradox overhanging the entire plot of the film. In the later parts of the film when Joel remembers his earliest memories of Clementine, he still remembers having hired Lacuna to erase his memories of their relationship, despite at this point his memories of Lacuna and his breakup with Clementine already having been erased. This probably falls under AcceptableBreaksFromReality and AnthropicPrinciple, however, as the plot of the film would be completely impossible if this wasn't the case.

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* There's an obvious paradox overhanging the entire plot of the film. In the later parts of the film when Joel remembers his earliest memories of Clementine, he still remembers having hired Lacuna to erase his memories of their relationship, despite at this point his memories of Lacuna and his breakup with Clementine already having been erased. This probably falls under AcceptableBreaksFromReality and AnthropicPrinciple, however, as the plot of the film would be completely impossible if this wasn't the case.case.
** They do mention that it works like dreams, when you only forget once you've waken up. As I understood it, there's "subconcious" Joel, who can remeber just fine, and the "awake" Joel who won't be able to recall those memories.
6th Aug '14 4:37:16 AM Folamh3
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** The way I think it seems to work is that ''any'' memories that could be associated with Clementine herself are erased. But they can't be erased for good. The process seems to suppress the memories so that Joel will never think of them - like how we've all forgotten insignificant things but we remember what's important to us. Howard makes those memories 'insignificant' in Joel's mind. But they can still be triggered. Patrick's using Joel's stuff to seduce Clementine does jog her memories a little. Generally in life all we need is one small thing to remind us...and we'll eventually remember something we've forgotten.

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** The way I think it seems to work is that ''any'' memories that could be associated with Clementine herself are erased. But they can't be erased for good. The process seems to suppress the memories so that Joel will never think of them - like how we've all forgotten insignificant things but we remember what's important to us. Howard makes those memories 'insignificant' in Joel's mind. But they can still be triggered. Patrick's using Joel's stuff to seduce Clementine does jog her memories a little. Generally in life all we need is one small thing to remind us...and we'll eventually remember something we've forgotten.forgotten.
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* There's an obvious paradox overhanging the entire plot of the film. In the later parts of the film when Joel remembers his earliest memories of Clementine, he still remembers having hired Lacuna to erase his memories of their relationship, despite at this point his memories of Lacuna and his breakup with Clementine already having been erased. This probably falls under AcceptableBreaksFromReality and AnthropicPrinciple, however, as the plot of the film would be completely impossible if this wasn't the case.
9th May '14 9:36:31 PM arcana07
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*** Well, in 2004 there was Friendster, which IIRC was the original "social network". But back when I was on Friendster it was far more common to have something like 50 "friends" in your network than the 500 - 1,000 that one sees a lot on Facebook. A lot fewer people were on Friendster as it was predominantly people who were in my age range, those who were either college students or young adults in their early 20s (which I was). The oldest people you'd commonly encounter were those in their 30s.
3rd Apr '14 6:00:16 AM blueranger
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** I guess Lacuna isn't in business any more. But you're right - back in 2004 things like social networking were something only teenagers, college kids and celebrities did. And even then it wasn't mainstream. Though the process these days could just involve having to block Facebook profiles of the person one wants erased, their immediate friends and relatives etc.



** I think he operates under the assumption that no one would get this procedure if they didn't have a strong emotional attachment to the memories they wanted to get erased. But it really depends on how good he is at his job.

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** I think he operates under the assumption that no one would get this procedure if they didn't have a strong emotional attachment to the memories they wanted to get erased. But it really depends on how good he is at his job.job.
** The way I think it seems to work is that ''any'' memories that could be associated with Clementine herself are erased. But they can't be erased for good. The process seems to suppress the memories so that Joel will never think of them - like how we've all forgotten insignificant things but we remember what's important to us. Howard makes those memories 'insignificant' in Joel's mind. But they can still be triggered. Patrick's using Joel's stuff to seduce Clementine does jog her memories a little. Generally in life all we need is one small thing to remind us...and we'll eventually remember something we've forgotten.
17th Feb '14 5:48:51 PM shamblingdead
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*** Or maybe, like going to the frozen Charles, it's just a "date default" for Clementine and she just likes to go there.



*** There's a whole deleted subplot, including some filmed scenes, that explain it a little better. It seems that he was bored with Naomi and Clementine offered something more exciting.



*** Don't forget, though, that TechnologyMarchesOn. The movie came out well before Facebook and the amount of "social networking" that exists now. It would have been easier, in 2004, to erase one's cell phone directory and so on. Also, after a certain age, needing to connect with hundreds of people (IRL) isn't as pressing as it is when you're younger.



* Lacuna is only able to map the memories with an "emotional core". Does that mean that memories the person if fairly indifferent about remain? Obviously those don't mean much to the person in question; but he ''could'' retrieve them?

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* Lacuna is only able to map the memories with an "emotional core". Does that mean that memories the person if is fairly indifferent about remain? Obviously those don't mean much to the person in question; but he ''could'' retrieve them?
22nd Nov '13 4:43:03 PM Qualmless
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**not only that, but are they really going to send a card to EVERY PERSON? How about the. Grocery store cashier that asks about your life from time to time, or someone that you haven't seen in months and forgot even met your significant other. I mean...that's a lot of cards. You have to start to wonder how expensive the procedure is, because undoubtedly they add the cost of more than a certain number of cards sent on to your bill. Say, you're a shut in who works from home and only knows 19 people, fine. But I have over 1000 fb friends, and sometimes random people ask your life. Maybe up to 25 cards is free and the rest you have to buy packs for. I don't know, I've thought about this a lot over the years...
16th Nov '13 12:42:32 AM stupidgeekboy
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** I always got the impression that the procedure just didn't work exactly as advertised. I think the ending kind of makes that clear. Joel, Clem, and even Mary all still have the feelings they had before to some degree which would seem to imply that on some level they still remember, if only on a subconscious level.


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** To me his immediately wanting to get back with Naomi, post memory wipe, seems like transference. What he truly wants is to get back together with ''Clementine'' but he doesn't remember her so his desire for a romantic relationship defaults to the last one he remembers.
18th Sep '13 4:15:48 PM blueranger
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** He also split up with her because Clementine asked him to. He was clearly interested in her but she said she wasn't going to be the other woman - if he wanted to be with her then he was with her only. Joel clearly didn't love Naomi enough to pick her over Clementine.
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