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*** This is explained by the prequels being non-canon fanfic similar in quality to Star Wars novelizations. He was obese because of gluttony in Frank Herbert's books, not a Bene Gesserit venereal disease.
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So, the Emperor wants to kill Leto, fair enough. His grand plan is to have all the Harkonnen forces move off Arrakis (sabotaging the spice mining operation as they go), have all the Atredies move in, and then kill them all in a surprise attack. This just seems like a needlessly complex, and more importantly, expensive, plan to take down one man (who is a bit slapdash about safety with how many people he trusts to walk up to him as the charming fellow he is). Moving armies across space is expensive. And everything goes back to the spice. So moving all your enemies onto the source of all your wealth and then killing them there just seems like it's going to upset spice mining operations for basically no reason. In the months or years it takes for this exchange to happen the spice is not being mined, and when you do pull it off, you risk destroying valuable equipments and mines. It's like putting all your enemies on an oil rig and then shooting them with a flame thrower. That it backfired and Paul got control of the spice is almost a no brainer on retrospect. Don't shit where you eat, leave the spice status quo alone. Why did Leto need to be given Arrakis, and then killed for all of this to happen? I think the story wants us to believe it's because the Landsraad limits the Emperor's power so it needs to be done surreptitiously, though...I wonder what the Landsraad is told about the destruction of house Atredies, that the Baron managed to do it all alone? And that same lie couldn't work by attacking the Atredies home planet with secret Saradakar or attacking them on route form one planet to another. Is there a smoking gun that I'm missing that makes sense of this beyond Herbert wanting to set the whole thing on a desert planet? Because it just seems a foolish strategy to put the source of all your wealth at risk by giving it to your enemy and then killing him when he possess it all.
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So, the Emperor wants to kill Leto, fair enough. His grand plan is to have all the Harkonnen forces move off Arrakis (sabotaging the spice mining operation as they go), have all the Atredies move in, and then kill them all in a surprise attack. This just seems like a needlessly complex, and more importantly, expensive, plan to take down one man (who is a bit slapdash about safety with how many people he trusts to walk up to him as the charming fellow he is). Moving armies across space is expensive. And everything goes back to the spice. So moving all your enemies onto the source of all your wealth and then killing them there just seems like it's going to upset spice mining operations for basically no reason. In the months or years it takes for this exchange to happen the spice is not being mined, and when you do pull it off, you risk destroying valuable equipments and mines. It's like putting all your enemies on an oil rig and then shooting them with a flame thrower. That it backfired and Paul got control of the spice is almost a no brainer on retrospect. Don't shit where you eat, leave the spice status quo alone. Why did Leto need to be given Arrakis, and then killed for all of this to happen? I think the story wants us to believe it's because the Landsraad limits the Emperor's power so it needs to be done surreptitiously, though...I wonder what the Landsraad is told about the destruction of house Atredies, that the Baron managed to do it all alone? And that same lie couldn't work by attacking the Atredies home planet with secret Saradakar or attacking them on route form one planet to another. Is there a smoking gun that I'm missing that makes sense of this beyond Herbert wanting to set the whole thing on a desert planet? Because it just seems a foolish strategy to put the source of all your wealth at risk by giving it to your enemy and then killing him when he possess it all.all instead of just having Yueh slip him some cyanide.
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* A lot of the language Herbert used are real words. Padishah is Iranian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padishah. I won't pretend to know how to prounce it (though I guess the last comment is Shah like the Shah of Iran), but the actual pronunciations are probably out there and used actively by the communities they come from if you want to go look.
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[[folder: Why aren't gas weapons ubiquitous?]]
*We see in the first book a gas weapon used. Sure, it doesn't manage to kill the Baron, but it comes damn close, kills his super computer friend and manages to do so while being secretly secure in a container as small as false tooth...so...why isn't everyone using poison gas? No matter how good your shields are, humans still need to breath. Whenever any soldiers are fighting each other the enemy should be laying fields of mustard gas like it's WWI on steriods. And, in response and preperation, absolutely everyone wearing a shield should also have a gas mask on their face at all times. So, I guess the question is really why aren't gas masks ubiquitous, because for such a shielding enviroment gas weapons should be ridiculously effective and the possibility of them would beed to be defended against at all times.
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[[folder: Emperor's Plan? Surely there was a less complicated and cheapter method]]
So, the Emperor wants to kill Leto, fair enough. His grand plan is to have all the Harkonnen forces move off Arrakis (sabotaging the spice mining operation as they go), have all the Atredies move in, and then kill them all in a surprise attack. This just seems like a needlessly complex, and more importantly, expensive, plan to take down one man (who is a bit slapdash about safety with how many people he trusts to walk up to him as the charming fellow he is). Moving armies across space is expensive. And everything goes back to the spice. So moving all your enemies onto the source of all your wealth and then killing them there just seems like it's going to upset spice mining operations for basically no reason. In the months or years it takes for this exchange to happen the spice is not being mined, and when you do pull it off, you risk destroying valuable equipments and mines. It's like putting all your enemies on an oil rig and then shooting them with a flame thrower. That it backfired and Paul got control of the spice is almost a no brainer on retrospect. Don't shit where you eat, leave the spice status quo alone. Why did Leto need to be given Arrakis, and then killed for all of this to happen? I think the story wants us to believe it's because the Landsraad limits the Emperor's power so it needs to be done surreptitiously, though...I wonder what the Landsraad is told about the destruction of house Atredies, that the Baron managed to do it all alone? And that same lie couldn't work by attacking the Atredies home planet with secret Saradakar or attacking them on route form one planet to another. Is there a smoking gun that I'm missing that makes sense of this beyond Herbert wanting to set the whole thing on a desert planet? Because it just seems a foolish strategy to put the source of all your wealth at risk by giving it to your enemy and then killing him when he possess it all.
[[folder: Why aren't gas weapons ubiquitous?]]
*We see in the first book a gas weapon used. Sure, it doesn't manage to kill the Baron, but it comes damn close, kills his super computer friend and manages to do so while being secretly secure in a container as small as false tooth...so...why isn't everyone using poison gas? No matter how good your shields are, humans still need to breath. Whenever any soldiers are fighting each other the enemy should be laying fields of mustard gas like it's WWI on steriods. And, in response and preperation, absolutely everyone wearing a shield should also have a gas mask on their face at all times. So, I guess the question is really why aren't gas masks ubiquitous, because for such a shielding enviroment gas weapons should be ridiculously effective and the possibility of them would beed to be defended against at all times.
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[[folder: Emperor's Plan? Surely there was a less complicated and cheapter method]]
So, the Emperor wants to kill Leto, fair enough. His grand plan is to have all the Harkonnen forces move off Arrakis (sabotaging the spice mining operation as they go), have all the Atredies move in, and then kill them all in a surprise attack. This just seems like a needlessly complex, and more importantly, expensive, plan to take down one man (who is a bit slapdash about safety with how many people he trusts to walk up to him as the charming fellow he is). Moving armies across space is expensive. And everything goes back to the spice. So moving all your enemies onto the source of all your wealth and then killing them there just seems like it's going to upset spice mining operations for basically no reason. In the months or years it takes for this exchange to happen the spice is not being mined, and when you do pull it off, you risk destroying valuable equipments and mines. It's like putting all your enemies on an oil rig and then shooting them with a flame thrower. That it backfired and Paul got control of the spice is almost a no brainer on retrospect. Don't shit where you eat, leave the spice status quo alone. Why did Leto need to be given Arrakis, and then killed for all of this to happen? I think the story wants us to believe it's because the Landsraad limits the Emperor's power so it needs to be done surreptitiously, though...I wonder what the Landsraad is told about the destruction of house Atredies, that the Baron managed to do it all alone? And that same lie couldn't work by attacking the Atredies home planet with secret Saradakar or attacking them on route form one planet to another. Is there a smoking gun that I'm missing that makes sense of this beyond Herbert wanting to set the whole thing on a desert planet? Because it just seems a foolish strategy to put the source of all your wealth at risk by giving it to your enemy and then killing him when he possess it all.
