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When Van Helsing explains that vampires can't change their form when the sun is up, does he mean that the sun causes ModeLock, trapping the vampire in whatever form they were in at the time, or that the sun triggers ShapeshifterDefaultForm, returning the vampire to human form?

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When Van Helsing explains that vampires can't change their form when the sun is up, does he mean that the sun causes ModeLock, ShapeshifterModeLock, trapping the vampire in whatever form they were in at the time, or that the sun triggers ShapeshifterDefaultForm, returning the vampire to human form?
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** Jeez, sexual liberation, where do they get this stuff? Breaking through someone's window at night and forcing her to drink your blood is not sexually liberating them. It can't even be read as that. Lucy and Mina don't willingly go with Dracula. They try to resist him in fact, and do their best to keep him out. Mina is HappilyMarried to Harker, Lucy was in love with Godalming, and neither of them wants anything to do with Dracula who, I repeat, breaks into their homes and tries to rape/kill them. He's not a metaphor for the dashing foreign rogue. He's a metaphor for the abhorrent serial rapist. The themes of sexual liberation and women's rights aren't even touched on. I know you want to ship the vampire with something, but jeez, stick with ''{{Twilight}}'' okay?

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** Jeez, sexual liberation, where do they get this stuff? Breaking through someone's window at night and forcing her to drink your blood is not sexually liberating them. It can't even be read as that. Lucy and Mina don't willingly go with Dracula. They try to resist him in fact, and do their best to keep him out. Mina is HappilyMarried to Harker, Lucy was in love with Godalming, and neither of them wants anything to do with Dracula who, I repeat, breaks into their homes and tries to rape/kill them. He's not a metaphor for the dashing foreign rogue. He's a metaphor for the abhorrent serial rapist. The themes of sexual liberation and women's rights aren't even touched on. I know you want to ship the vampire with something, but jeez, stick with ''{{Twilight}}'' ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' okay?
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** Jeez, sexual liberation, where do they get this stuff? Breaking through someone's window at night and forcing her to drink your blood is not sexually liberating them. It can't even be read as that. Lucy and Mina don't willingly go with Dracula. They try to resist him in fact, and do their best to keep him out. Mina is HappilyMarried to Harker, Lucy was in love with Godalming, and neither of them wants anything to do with Dracula who, I repeat, breaks into their homes and tries to rape/kill them. He's not a metaphor for the dashing foreign rogue. He's a metaphor for the abhorrent serial rapist. The themes of sexual liberation and women's rights aren't even touched on. I know you want to ship the vampire with something, but jeez, stick with ''{{Twilight}}'' okay?
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* I think it's because [[AdaptionDecay so many people saw the movie Bram Stoker's Dracula when it came out and immediately substituted it for the canon of the book]]. I know very few people who have read the actual ''Dracula''.

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* I think it's because [[AdaptionDecay [[AdaptationDecay so many people saw the movie Bram Stoker's Dracula when it came out and immediately substituted it for the canon of the book]]. I know very few people who have read the actual ''Dracula''.
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** Also, in my personal diary, I do use ellipses from time to time to convey that I'm hesitant or uncertain about something. When I reread my diary in the future, I want my future self to remember that uncertainty. Would Mina have done the same thing? Maybe not. But it's not impossible.
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** Based on [[LeagueOfExtraordinaryGentlemen Alan Moore]], the events happened about a year ago (i.e, 1897).
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* I think it's because [[AdaptionDecay so many people saw the movie Bram Stoker's Dracula when it came out and immediately substituted it for the canon of the book]]. I know very few people who have read the actual ''Dracula''.

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** But Dracula preys on Transylvanians, too; Jonathan is horrified to see him kill a peasant woman after feeding her child to his brides, who also must be foreign, since Dracula's never been to England before. And if his preying on Mina and Lucy sends the message that sexual predation of women is wrong and that only monsters and no respectable Englishman would do that...
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** The assumption with foreigners, the supernatural taint of vampires aside, is still that they're backward. Harker is surprised by how urbane and Anglicized his host is, and the peasants aren't portrayed as evil or barbaric, but weird and backward. Van Helsing's Dutchness makes him a FunnyForeigner, as does the old man Mina befriend's folksy localness. But because Dracula ''is'' dangerous, and a violent sexual threat, he stops being the comforting assurance that Englishness is the best and other countries are just tagging along behind. Foreign people are ''different'', and that is a lot more solid than Stoker would like it to be. I'd say the characterization of Dracula and foreign characters is uncertain because the horror hinges on the uncertainty -- that Victorian English supremacy is ''not'' all powerful. The plot itself is a reassuring exorcism of that spectre of insufficiency. Ditto with the gender politics -- how the hell are we supposed to feel about women? Mina and Lucy obviously ''aren't'' devoid of personalities or inner lives, they have suitably small talents to bring to the table, and they're sexually desirable; they love. But they're also susceptible to men, and victim to sexual threat. It can't be by good, modern Englishmen; it can only be acknowledged at the hands of a foreign devil who moreover is not human.
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*It's more like the latter. During the day, Dracula is just like any human, except if I remember correctly he keeps his {{Super Strength}}. However he can't change his form at all during the day.



* The boxes are the easiest question to answer. They are boxes of earth as Dracula must sleep in the soil of his homeland/original grave/consecrated earth. The year is a bit trickier as the dates and information can be VERY contradictory. Popular speculation suggests either 1890, 1893, or 1888. the first for the simple reason that the afterword of the novel states "seven years later". Implying that the events happenex around seven years before. The second is gathered from at least two different instances of the novel. One in which a date is given as a Tuesday and another where Van Helsing laments the death of a felow physican named Charcot who died in that year. The last one is often an attempt at working with the first one and linking the events of the novel ot that of the Whitechapel murders.

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* The boxes are the easiest question to answer. They are boxes of earth as Dracula must sleep in the soil of his homeland/original grave/consecrated earth. The year is a bit trickier as the dates and information can be VERY contradictory. Popular speculation suggests either 1890, 1893, or 1888. the first for the simple reason that the afterword of the novel states "seven years later". Implying that the events happenex around seven years before. The second is gathered from at least two different instances of the novel. One in which a date is given as a Tuesday and another where Van Helsing laments the death of a felow physican named Charcot who died in that year. The last one is often an attempt at working with the first one and linking the events of the novel ot of that of the Whitechapel murders.
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** It also doesn't explain why Van Helsing, who is Dutch, is good instead of evil.
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* The boxes are the easiest question to answer. They are boxes of earth as Dracula must sleep in the soil of his homeland/original grave/consecrated earth. The year is a bit trickier as the dates and information can be VERY contradictory. Popular speculation suggests either 1890, 1893, or 1888. the first for the simple reason that the afterword of the novel states "seven years later". Implying that the events happenex around seven years before. The second is gathered from at least two different instances of the novel. One in which a date is given as a Tuesday and another where Van Helsing laments the death of a felow physican named Charcot who died in that year. The last one is often an attempt at working with the first one and linking the events of the novel ot that of the Whitechapel murders.
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[[WMG:Which year this novel is set in? And what are exactly the boxes in Dracula's house?

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* Because [[ValuesDissonance female sexuality was seen as a bad thing back then?]] Women weren't supposed to have sexual desire - it's quite possible Stoker was thinking along the lines of "dirty hot-blooded foreigners coming over here, stealing our women - it must be their evil corrupting ways! No woman could ever feel desire of her own accord!" And don't forget that Lucy starts acting more sexual as she turns into a vampire. Yes, it's obviously rape, but it's sort of BeingRapedMakesYouSexuallyLiberated... which just adds to the UnfortunateImplications. SoYeah.

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* Because [[ValuesDissonance female sexuality was seen as a bad thing back then?]] Women weren't supposed to have sexual desire - it's quite possible Stoker was thinking along the lines of "dirty hot-blooded foreigners coming over here, stealing our women - it must be their evil corrupting ways! No woman could ever feel desire of her own accord!" And don't forget that Lucy starts acting more sexual as she turns into a vampire. Yes, it's obviously rape, but it's sort of BeingRapedMakesYouSexuallyLiberated...Being Raped Makes You Sexually Liberated... which just adds to the UnfortunateImplications. SoYeah.



* Creative nonfiction can explain the dramatic use of ellipses. And from reading first hand accounts from the Edwardian era, people back then really did write like that. If someone talked funny, they damn well wanted to record it for future embarrassment. Also, ellipses were used as a writing trope in journals to pass over unmentionable things. In many WWI narratives, ellipses are used to pass over sources of intense trauma.

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* Creative nonfiction can explain the dramatic use of ellipses. And from reading first hand accounts from the Edwardian era, people back then really did write like that. If someone talked funny, they damn well wanted to record it for future embarrassment. Also, ellipses were used as a writing trope in journals to pass over unmentionable things. In many WWI narratives, ellipses are used to pass over sources of intense trauma.trauma.
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*** Though to a Briton, a white American can safely be included in "Us," as can a brilliant Teutonic man from the Low Countries. Slavs and Romanians are a whole other class of people to the Victorian-Edwardian mind, something barbaric and overly influenced by the decadent Ottomans and the backwards Russians. Victorians were very good at sorting people into tiers and classes of acceptability. It rarely came down to "we and we alone are good; they're all bad."

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*** ** Though to a Briton, a white American can safely be included in "Us," as can a brilliant Teutonic man from the Low Countries. Slavs and Romanians are a whole other class of people to the Victorian-Edwardian mind, something barbaric and overly influenced by the decadent Ottomans and the backwards Russians. Victorians were very good at sorting people into tiers and classes of acceptability. It rarely came down to "we and we alone are good; they're all bad."
** That makes it an even more ridiculous/radical leap to say, "Dracula is Romanian, Dracula is evil, therefore the text implies that Romanians are evil, and since we no longer believe Romanians are evil, Dracula isn't evil either." Whether Britons would have classified the Count as "foreign" in our sense of the word or in a narrower classification, Jonathan Harker still didn't display any bigotry towards him based on his ethnicity alone prior to discovering his secrets.

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*** Though to a Briton, a white American can safely be included in "Us," as can a brilliant Teutonic man from the Low Countries. Slavs and Romanians are a whole other class of people to the Victorian-Edwardian mind, something barbaric and overly influenced by the decadent Ottomans and the backwards Russians. Victorians were very good at sorting people into tiers and classes of acceptability. It rarely came down to "we and we alone are good; they're all bad."



* We can still be surprised in other ways. For example, we knew the first time we read it that Mina Harker survived but not that Quincey Morris didn't. Actually, we only know that the person survived the events chronicled in the entry we're currently reading; until it's the last entry, we never know which entry up ahead will tell us of someone else's detah besides that author.

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* We can still be surprised in other ways. For example, we knew the first time we read it that Mina Harker survived but not that Quincey Morris didn't. Actually, we only know that the person survived the events chronicled in the entry we're currently reading; until it's the last entry, we never know which entry up ahead will tell us of someone else's detah death besides that author.



* But what we're reading aren't the original handwritten entries, as Jonathan laments at the end; they're Mina's typewritten transcripts. While typing the part where she remembered how she hesitated to write the word "vampire," she could have added ellipses to capture the effect. Also, Dr. Seward recorded his spoken diary on a phonograph, complete with pauses and stutterings that Mina had to translate into print somehow. She had to (well, she at least wanted to) express the act of hesitation within the limits of the print medium. If I were writing about a conversation I had with someone and remembered them or myself stuttering, I would indicate so in my writing, too.

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* But what we're reading aren't the original handwritten entries, as Jonathan laments at the end; they're Mina's typewritten transcripts. While typing the part where she remembered how she hesitated to write the word "vampire," she could have added ellipses to capture the effect. Also, Dr. Seward recorded his spoken diary on a phonograph, complete with pauses and stutterings that Mina had to translate into print somehow. She had to (well, she at least wanted to) express the act of hesitation within the limits of the print medium. If I were writing about a conversation I had with someone and remembered them or myself stuttering, I would indicate so in my writing, too.too.
* Creative nonfiction can explain the dramatic use of ellipses. And from reading first hand accounts from the Edwardian era, people back then really did write like that. If someone talked funny, they damn well wanted to record it for future embarrassment. Also, ellipses were used as a writing trope in journals to pass over unmentionable things. In many WWI narratives, ellipses are used to pass over sources of intense trauma.
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** In addition, wasn't Quincey respected by the other protagonists? He's definitely a foreigner in the country where the story takes place, and he was definitely courting Lucy.

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** I've seen that far too often as well. The problem with that one is that the conclusion this leads everyone to is, "We know longer think foreigners are evil; [[YouFailLogicForever therefore, Dracula isn't evil]]." I don't even think that allegory holds up because: Van Helsing is a foreigner but not portrayed as evil (nor is his metaphorical sex act of donating his blood to Lucy); and Jonathan really liked his foreign host before he found out his HiddenDepths as a demonic bloodsucking monster. There's no connection between [[BuffySpeak foreign-ness]] and evil-ness in the text.

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* Some don't. They see the whole novel as an allegory for filthy foreigners coming to rape women and spread disease.
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* That's a trope common to '''ALL''' {{Epistolary Novel}}s; it's a side-effect of the medium itself. [[WutheringHeights Mr. Lockwood, Nellie Dean]], [[TheTenantOfWildfellHall Gilbert Markham]], [[{{Frankenstein}} Robert Walton]], and others all share the Harkers' iron-clad memory. WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief. Now, if some author in the future wanted to {{deconstruct}} this and show what the authors' recollections of past events would realistically look like, that would certainly be interesting...

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* That's a trope common to '''ALL''' {{Epistolary Novel}}s; it's a side-effect of the medium itself. [[WutheringHeights Mr. Lockwood, Nellie Dean]], [[TheTenantOfWildfellHall Gilbert Markham]], [[{{Frankenstein}} Robert Walton]], and others all share the Harkers' iron-clad memory. WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief. Now, if some author in the future wanted to {{deconstruct}} [[{{deconstruction}} deconstruct]] this and show what the authors' recollections of past events would realistically look like, that would certainly be interesting...
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* That's a trope common to '''ALL''' {{Epistolary Novel}}s; it's a side-effect of the medium itself. [[WutheringHeights Mr. Lockwood, Nellie Dean]], [[TheTenantOfWildfellHall Gilbert Markham]], [[{{Frankenstein}} Robert Walton]], and others all share the Harkers' iron-clad memory. WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief.

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* That's a trope common to '''ALL''' {{Epistolary Novel}}s; it's a side-effect of the medium itself. [[WutheringHeights Mr. Lockwood, Nellie Dean]], [[TheTenantOfWildfellHall Gilbert Markham]], [[{{Frankenstein}} Robert Walton]], and others all share the Harkers' iron-clad memory. WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief.
WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief. Now, if some author in the future wanted to {{deconstruct}} this and show what the authors' recollections of past events would realistically look like, that would certainly be interesting...
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* That's a trope common to '''ALL''' {{Episotlary Novel}}s; it's a side-effect of the medium itself. [[WutheringHeights Mr. Lockwood, Nellie Dean]], [[TheTenantOfWildfellHall Gilbert Markham]], [[{{Frankenstein}} Robert Walton]], and others all share the Harkers' iron-clad memory. WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief.

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* That's a trope common to '''ALL''' {{Episotlary {{Epistolary Novel}}s; it's a side-effect of the medium itself. [[WutheringHeights Mr. Lockwood, Nellie Dean]], [[TheTenantOfWildfellHall Gilbert Markham]], [[{{Frankenstein}} Robert Walton]], and others all share the Harkers' iron-clad memory. WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief.

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* That's a trope common to '''ALL''' {{Episotlary Novel}}s; it's a side-effect of the medium itself. [[WutheringHeights Mr. Lockwood, Nellie Dean]], [[TheTenantOfWildfellHall Gilbert Markham]], [[{{Frankenstein}} Robert Walton]], and others all share the Harkers' iron-clad memory. WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief.



Third, what's with the written stuttering? One character chokes up at the end of one of the entries, but s-stuttering t-typically isn't s-something you *write* down. And there's a part where Mina hesitates, triple-dots and all, to write the word "Vampire". When a person hesitates to write something, they stop their hand for a moment; they don't express the hesitation in the actual writing. I can't help but be reminded of the Monty Python line "Well, if he was dying, he wouldn't have bothered to write 'aaaAAAuuUGH', he'd just say it!"

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* We can still be surprised in other ways. For example, we knew the first time we read it that Mina Harker survived but not that Quincey Morris didn't. Actually, we only know that the person survived the events chronicled in the entry we're currently reading; until it's the last entry, we never know which entry up ahead will tell us of someone else's detah besides that author.

Third, what's with the written stuttering? One character chokes up at the end of one of the entries, but s-stuttering t-typically isn't s-something you *write* down. And there's a part where Mina hesitates, triple-dots and all, to write the word "Vampire". When a person hesitates to write something, they stop their hand for a moment; they don't express the hesitation in the actual writing. I can't help but be reminded of the Monty Python line "Well, if he was dying, he wouldn't have bothered to write 'aaaAAAuuUGH', he'd just say it!"it!"
* But what we're reading aren't the original handwritten entries, as Jonathan laments at the end; they're Mina's typewritten transcripts. While typing the part where she remembered how she hesitated to write the word "vampire," she could have added ellipses to capture the effect. Also, Dr. Seward recorded his spoken diary on a phonograph, complete with pauses and stutterings that Mina had to translate into print somehow. She had to (well, she at least wanted to) express the act of hesitation within the limits of the print medium. If I were writing about a conversation I had with someone and remembered them or myself stuttering, I would indicate so in my writing, too.
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When Van Helsing explains that vampires can't change their form when the sun is up, does he mean that the sun causes ModeLock, trapping the vampire in whatever form they were in at the time, or that the sun triggers ShapeshifterDefaultForm, returning the vampire to human form?

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When Van Helsing explains that vampires can't change their form when the sun is up, does he mean that the sun causes ModeLock, trapping the vampire in whatever form they were in at the time, or that the sun triggers ShapeshifterDefaultForm, returning the vampire to human form?form?

[[WMG:The fact that the novel is composed almost entirely of journal entries, while awesome in its own right, seems to stretch the suspension of disbelief a little TOO much sometimes.]]
First, how are these people able to recall entire conversations verbatim, regardless of whether or not the conversations took place just before they started writing the entry? Human recollection can't be THAT accurate...
Second, it's an automatic spoiler, in that when the characters are embarking on something dangerous or terrifying, you know at least whoever is writing the current entry made it out alive and with their mental faculties intact enough to write a journal entry.
Third, what's with the written stuttering? One character chokes up at the end of one of the entries, but s-stuttering t-typically isn't s-something you *write* down. And there's a part where Mina hesitates, triple-dots and all, to write the word "Vampire". When a person hesitates to write something, they stop their hand for a moment; they don't express the hesitation in the actual writing. I can't help but be reminded of the Monty Python line "Well, if he was dying, he wouldn't have bothered to write 'aaaAAAuuUGH', he'd just say it!"
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* It's "Being Raped Makes You Sexually Liberated" if scholars interpret the girls' metaphorical rapes by Dracula as sexual liberation, but A) there's no reason to make that connection, and B) if so, then it's the worst of UnfortunateImplications to ship Dracula with Mina like so many fans and adaptations do; there wouldn't be any UnfortunateImplications if they ''just didn't do that!''

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* It's "Being Raped Makes You Sexually Liberated" if scholars interpret the girls' metaphorical rapes by Dracula as sexual liberation, but A) there's no reason to make that connection, and B) if so, then it's the worst of UnfortunateImplications to ship Dracula with Mina like so many fans and adaptations do; there wouldn't be any UnfortunateImplications if they ''just didn't do that!''that!''

[[WMG:I'm confused about the effect sunlight has on vampires' shapeshifting abilities.]]
When Van Helsing explains that vampires can't change their form when the sun is up, does he mean that the sun causes ModeLock, trapping the vampire in whatever form they were in at the time, or that the sun triggers ShapeshifterDefaultForm, returning the vampire to human form?
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* Because [[ValuesDissonance female sexuality was seen as a bad thing back then?]] Women weren't supposed to have sexual desire - it's quite possible Stoker was thinking along the lines of "dirty hot-blooded foreigners coming over here, stealing our women - it must be their evil corrupting ways! No woman could ever feel desire of her own accord!" And don't forget that Lucy starts acting more sexual as she turns into a vampire. Yes, it's obviously rape, but it's sort of BeingRapedMakesYouSexuallyLiberated... which just adds to the UnfortunateImplications. SoYeah.

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* Because [[ValuesDissonance female sexuality was seen as a bad thing back then?]] Women weren't supposed to have sexual desire - it's quite possible Stoker was thinking along the lines of "dirty hot-blooded foreigners coming over here, stealing our women - it must be their evil corrupting ways! No woman could ever feel desire of her own accord!" And don't forget that Lucy starts acting more sexual as she turns into a vampire. Yes, it's obviously rape, but it's sort of BeingRapedMakesYouSexuallyLiberated... which just adds to the UnfortunateImplications. SoYeah.SoYeah.
* It's "Being Raped Makes You Sexually Liberated" if scholars interpret the girls' metaphorical rapes by Dracula as sexual liberation, but A) there's no reason to make that connection, and B) if so, then it's the worst of UnfortunateImplications to ship Dracula with Mina like so many fans and adaptations do; there wouldn't be any UnfortunateImplications if they ''just didn't do that!''
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What Dracula does to Mina is clearly analogous with rape. In the novel, he's not shown liberating women from sexual repression; he enslaves them. How can this be rationally spun as a good thing, let alone a feminist thing (outside of FetishFuel)? What Dracula does to Lucy and Mina robs them of their free will and even mobility (look at how much more time Mina spends sleeping as the novel progresses); their human male friends are the ones trying to liberate them (which they can't do effectively until they abandon the StayInTheKitchen strategy, so points for that, Stoker).

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What Dracula does to Mina is clearly analogous with rape. In the novel, he's not shown liberating women from sexual repression; he enslaves them. How can this be rationally spun as a good thing, let alone a feminist thing (outside of FetishFuel)? What Dracula does to Lucy and Mina robs them of their free will and even mobility (look at how much more time Mina spends sleeping as the novel progresses); their human male friends are the ones trying to liberate them (which they can't do effectively until they abandon the StayInTheKitchen strategy, so points for that, Stoker).Stoker).
* Because [[ValuesDissonance female sexuality was seen as a bad thing back then?]] Women weren't supposed to have sexual desire - it's quite possible Stoker was thinking along the lines of "dirty hot-blooded foreigners coming over here, stealing our women - it must be their evil corrupting ways! No woman could ever feel desire of her own accord!" And don't forget that Lucy starts acting more sexual as she turns into a vampire. Yes, it's obviously rape, but it's sort of BeingRapedMakesYouSexuallyLiberated... which just adds to the UnfortunateImplications. SoYeah.
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* As I remember it he was feeding the flies to the spiders so as to concentrate the life essence.

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*Ok, in the novel it's implied that Renfield ONLY eats his prey alive. It's also implied that he doesn't eat them right away but saves them for later. I can see how this would work for sparrows, and maybe spiders. But how does he preserve the flies?
** Well, he was catching them using sugar.
***That doesn't answer my question. I know how he was catching them but how was he preserving them? its implied that he saves them for later but he couldn't keep them for more then 24 hours without them dying.
**** Why can't he? As long as they're still hanging about his cell, there will be more and more flies and thus lives. They needn't be the same flies.

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*Ok, [[WMG:Ok, in the novel it's implied that Renfield ONLY eats his prey alive. alive.]]
It's also implied that he doesn't eat them right away but saves them for later. I can see how this would work for sparrows, and maybe spiders. But how does he preserve the flies?
** * Well, he was catching them using sugar.
***That **That doesn't answer my question. I know how he was catching them but how was he preserving them? its implied that he saves them for later but he couldn't keep them for more then 24 hours without them dying.
**** ** Why can't he? As long as they're still hanging about his cell, there will be more and more flies and thus lives. They needn't be the same flies.flies.

[[WMG:Why can't scholars tell the difference between female sexuality and rape?]]
What Dracula does to Mina is clearly analogous with rape. In the novel, he's not shown liberating women from sexual repression; he enslaves them. How can this be rationally spun as a good thing, let alone a feminist thing (outside of FetishFuel)? What Dracula does to Lucy and Mina robs them of their free will and even mobility (look at how much more time Mina spends sleeping as the novel progresses); their human male friends are the ones trying to liberate them (which they can't do effectively until they abandon the StayInTheKitchen strategy, so points for that, Stoker).

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