History Headscratchers / DoctorWhoSeries5

** In addition, Amy is later established to be able to still retain traces of erased people since she grew up with the crack in her wall, which is how she is able to to bring the Doctor back in the finale.

** He ''is'' at least two-thousand years old, and given how many different ages he's thrown around in the series ''and'' how weird his personal timeline is, that's a conservative estimate. That's plenty of time to get some reading done. Also, remember that no matter how busy we see him get, out of his entire lifespan what we see in the the show as a whole adds up to a few hundred hours at most when it's combined together.

** [[IncrediblyLamePun They fell through a quack in time.]]

* Who voiced the crack that said 'Silence will fall'?

** Really? On TV Tropes? Go look it up on the [[TheWikiRule Doctor Who wiki]]. They'll have a source there.

** It depends on the kind of library. Remember in Cluedo/Clue, Dr. Black/Mr. Boddy has a library in his house. Some homes have personal libraries, which can be an office or den with a few bookshelves and a few hundred books, which are easy to read in a normal lifetime.

* The image of an angel. Image. As in, likeness. Huh? Just how alike this likeness has to be to actually become an angel? 2D image is enough, apparently (since photos and, somehow, digital film frames work), but an "image" in Amy's brain doesn't really look like anything from the perspective of anyone who isn't Amy (it's electrical impulses/neurotransmitters/neurons/whatever). So, what gives? SemanticSuperpower, much?

*** Point still stands. It's like trying to build the ultimate prison for Superman, and failing to put either red sun radiation or kryptonite in it. Except that wood is really common. It would have taken them a few moments of effort to put wood panels in the pandorica and it would have precluded his escape through the use of his signature weapon under any circumstance. And the purpose of the jets and the ability to pilot the Pandorica was? When we lock prisoners in cells, we don't install wheels and a driver's seat into the cell itself so that the prisoners have the option of escaping onto the freeway when the mood strikes them!
*** IIRC the sonic screwdriver doesn't work against things made largely or entirely of wood, it's not like the mere presence of wood is kryptonite or anything. Making the Pandorica -- or even just the lock -- out of wood makes it possible to prevent the sonic screwdriver from opening it, but it also makes it possible to open it with, say, a large axe. Presumably a little bit of wood panelling is not sufficient.

** The severed hand in "Journey's End" seemed pretty alive to me.

** Because it was [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome awesome]], [[CrowningMomentOfFunny funny]], and because the Atraxi had apparently violated the laws of the Shadow Proclamation, so it wasn't "just" six billion people, but a question if intergalactic law. The time limit was really putting pressure on the Doctor, not Prisoner Zero. Recall that P-0 knew that it couldn't escape anyway, and wanted the whole planet to burn along with it: shorter time limit equals less hiding necessary before the planet burns.

[[folder:The Eleventh Hour]]

** Presumably it pulls them from time and space - maybe it's a spatially shifted, out of sync copy of The Library from "Forest of the Dead", or some other sort of technobabble. Or maybe it's a library that's always been there - time travel, remember? He got the books from the future as and early Doctor, and then the TARDIS just moves it around.

** In "Castrovalva" the Fifth Doctor lamented that although he loves books he didn't have much opportunity to read. He could be a bit of a collector; someone who scoops up books he thinks look interesting but never gets around to reading.

** Don't forget - the TARDIS isn't just his 'car' it's his ''home''.

** There probably was an alien-expert conference. And as most people involved would work for secret organizations, the Doctor didn't need that one - he wanted the one with people in the public eye, who could more easily get the virus to spread - Patrick Moore, for one.
** The paper might not work on them since the six people all on screen have very high [=IQs=] and UNIT recognized Ten since his last companion at the time worked for UNIT

** To address the note about the virus -- as I understand it, it wasn't so much tracing the system it was programmed on as it's point of origin -- even if it spreads like wildfire, it still presumably has to originate somewhere, and the advanced tech in the starships is presumably capable of following the progression of the virus back to it's starting point.
** The episode said nothing about alien experts. They were in a meeting because of the sun acting strangely, not the Atraxi's message.
* When we see Rory taking a picture of the man with the dog, there's a close-up on his nurse badge. It is written on the badge that he worked at the hospital since 1990, which is of course impossible because he would have been what - 2? 3 years old?

** Moffat has stated it's an error that went uncaught

** What year ''does'' the beginning of this episode take place in? It picks up immediately where "End of Time" left off, which was explicitly in 2005. In the opening shots the TARDIS is seen flying past the London Eye, which was opened in 2000, which corroborates it being 2005. But when he finally lands in Amelia's yard, it's suddenly 1996 (2010 - 14 years)?

* Why did the Doctor feel the need to scare the shit out of the Atraxi? Need I remind you that without their help, Prisoner 0 wouldn't have been recaptured, and I think it was their 20 minute time limit that put pressure on the prisoner, and stopped it from making rash moves (such as killing the Doctor and Amy out in the open)I also got the impression that Prisoner 0 was stronger fare than what was usual on ''Doctor Who'', without Alien assisstance, I don't see how the Doctor could've handled it otherwise, with earth technology. One more thing, the Atraxi weren't thugs like the Judoon, who didn't know anything about the plasmavore, leading it to extremes it wouldn't normally have gone too, these guys seem like official police who knew the capabilites of the prisoner, and were acting accordingly. I know 6 billion is a lot of people, but in the grand scheme of things, who knows what Prisoner 0 would've done if it escaped. This is clearly a case where the Doctor's bias towards humans shines through.

** He even said, "What? Did you think no one was paying attention?" - I'm sure members that enforce the Shadow Proclamation would be very interested to know what they just attempted. I doubt that the Doctor would have hesitated to report it if the Atraxi just up and left without meeting him.

** Seriously -- remember when the 456 came back and the Doctor wasn't here to help!
** Also, they were going to ''burn us all'' just to get rid of one prisoner. Consider burning down an entire secondary school full of kids because there's one escaped convinct inside the building, times that by six billion, couple it with a twenty minute time limit, and you're getting somewhere. Maybe Prisoner Zero is dangerous (and really, he didn't seem particularly Dalek level dangerous to me on a galactic level), but that's still pretty damned extremeist behaviour. I don't know about anyone else, but I'd be pretty hacked off if somebody tried to do that to me.

** Fridge logic just set in - the Doctor jumped through all kinds of hoops to point the Atraxi at prisoner zero... but later it's show he's capable of TELEPHONING them. What. I'm sorry, what? What!?

** Except that he was clearly able to contact the Atraxi beforehand, since he sends them an MMS with all those photographs of Prisoner Zero - well before the Atraxi ''do'' anything.
** The way that he "contacts" them is actually far from straightforward--he basically writes a computer virus on the phone, sends it out to get the Atraxi's attention, and lets them trace it back to its source in the phone, where the pictures are. Not exactly the kind of setup where you could ring them with a friendly tip.

** Yes, but the artificial gravity was set to true vertical, not "TARDIS vertical" because it was... you know.. ''malfunctioning?''

** Also, she researched. Stories about a mysterious person called the Doctor exist(think Clive from "Rose" and LINDA), along with many stories of a magic blue box. Young Amy knew that this was a guy in a blue box, found stories of a Doctor and a blue box, and after years of research, gossip and the internet came to realise that the Raggedy Man in the blue magic box is probably the Doctor and his blue magic box. Also, Harold Saxon/The Master probably talked about the magic box when addressing his policy of aliens existing-basically, Amy got this information by being a conspiracy theorist.

** But there didn't seem to be any nearby cracks...unless the ducks wondered all the way to Amy's house.

** The Doctor talks about how the cracks sometimes "miss" things, like faces in photographs or gifts given by the person. It's sort of like a person being erased takes a thread away from a tapestry - there are gaps, but you can still see the whole picture, until too many threads get pulled, like the museum in the series finale.

** Technically, this isn't entirely true. In "The Vampires Of Venice", Rosanna tells the Doctor that there are several types of cracks and that she and her family traveled from their world to Earth through a crack like Prisoner Zero did. In fact, the Doctor initially assumed the cracks were just wormholes until he discovered their ability to erase people from time in "Flesh And Stone". Considering the Doctor describes the crack in Amy's wall as 'two parts of space and time that should never have touched, pressed together' I think we're meant to assume that the cracks are as volatile and unpredictable as they are because they're literal abominations, time and space and matter itself being ripped apart with slightly different results each time. There's also the possibility that they all have different natures, but they all start to erase things regardless when they reach a certain stage. A lot of the cracks we see throughout the season are implied to have been for dormant for a while, but start to flare up when they're in proximity to the TARDIS, like the ones in "Victory Of The Daleks", "Flesh And Stone", "Cold Blood" and "The Lodger". The most likely sequence of events is that a crack appeared on the upper floor of the house, connecting it to an alien prison, Prisoner Zero saw his chance to escape jail and fled to Earth in the 90's, hid himself in Amy's house, and sometime later (which could be anywhere between a few months or a few years) the crack reached the erasing stage and took Amy's parents. Soon after, she met the Doctor. The only problem with this theory is that the crack seems to have cycled back around to the wormhole stage by the time the Doctor shows up.

[[folder:The Beast Below]]

** Scotland (and the rest of the world) built their own space ships using traditional methods only for the rest of the UK to find there was no fuel left. The bigger countries such as America could well have taken a lot of said fuel, and also realized they needed to build faster due to having a lot more people to carry. They may have started decades before Britain. Who's to say England wasn't just slow because they were in some kind of... Unsinkable Titanic mode?

** I think it's something to do with scale. I may be failing physics forever here, but consider the earth - we barely feel the earth rotating mainly because it's so big. Starship UK is the size of... well, the UK, not as big as earth but still pretty large, and the starwhale is just one big large "engine" in itself. Whereas they would need a lot of much smaller and a lot less fluid engines to do the same job, which would make more vibrations. Hm... how much does a whale move while swimming through the oceans?
** It isn't Earth's size, it's just that it moves at a constant speed, never speeding up or slowing down. In a car, for instance, you don't feel like you're moving unless you speed up, slow down, or turn. Same with the space whale--so long as it kept a regular speed, you wouldn't feel like you were moving. Vibration from an engine is something different entirely; it wouldn't come from the movement of the ship but from machinery on the ship itself.

** It was never said that it had FTL travel, only that could travel between stars, considered that it was longed lived (it had 300+ years, and no one seemed worried that could die from old age before they journey would end) it could very well travel at a fraction of lightspeed and still be usefull as the ship "engine".

** I was of the impression that their data was not 100%reliable, meaning that their "legend" of it coming to them as it did was a bit of column a and a bit of column b, but I digress...

** Here's the one thing nobody remembers: anything a time traveler knows about becomes a fixed point. This is shown in Amy and Rory's last episode, along with "Waters of Mars". The Doctor purposely avoids knowing history, because the more history he knows, the more he can't change. Let's say The Doctor knew about Starship UK, but before he changed things. Let's say he knew, for example, everyone died. Bam. He can't do anything to change that now. This wasn't such an issue before the Time War, but afterwards, the Time Lords aren't there to iron out the cosmic, reality destroying bugs. Remember "Father's Day"? Rose caused a paradox by changing something she knew. By changing it, she couldn't have known it, and then it causes a loop of badness. Likewise, with "Waters of Mars", the paradox that 10 created was that he knew what happened, so by changing it, he never would have had cause to change it, causing her to die, meaning he'd have cause to change it, so she'd live, so he'd have no cause to change it, so she'd die, repeat ad infinitum. This is why The Doctor keeps himself uninformed. The more he knows, the worse it is.
*** No, that is incorrect. A fixed point is some event that the universe decrees must happen, no matter what the circumstances, i.e. the death of Adelaide brooks. A time traveler having knowledge of historical events can, but not necessarily, lead to a paradox. "Angels Take Manhattan" became a fixed point because there were so many paradoxes being squeezed into a single time and place, including the weeping angels, their hellish hotel, and Rory's deaths. In "Father's Day," Pete's Death became a fixed point because there were so many paradoxes involved, including Rose saving her father's life, touching her baby self, and running past another past self. Any one of these things on their own might be allowable by the universe, such as the mystery novel from the future and Rose touching her baby self, but when you pile on this many paradoxes, the strands of time are stretched to their limits, and a fixed point is created. Future knowledge can contribute to, but does not make, a fixed point.
** One way to interpret the Doctor's "Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey, nonlinear time" explanation is that certain actions don't just affect events following that action, but previous events as well, especially when it has to do with a fixed point; when the Doctor says that most people assume that time is a "strict progression of cause-to-effect". Well, if it's not, then does that make it... effect-to-cause? If this is the logic that Time Lords understand time by, then it answers a lot of questions, including this one. Assume a fixed point could be some major, universe-altering event(s), or an event a time traveler has prior knowledge of. We've seen in "Waters of Mars" that time will rewrite itself if a the 'cause' part of the cause-and-effect sequence is altered. If the 'effect' part is altered, will time rewrite the cause? Presumably, when the Doctor does something in the future, and then goes into the past, past events may have been altered to fit future events, or a fixed point. In "the beast below" scenario- (I really think that the Star Whale would have been mentioned in the history books at some point) the Doctor could have done something either in the past or the future- step on a butterfly, who knows?- that led to this completely new future where the countries of the world built their own starships and floated around for a bit. It sure does make time travel sound fun, though- you never wind up in the same future twice!
* In Amy's anvilicious bit about the Doctor in the end- how did she know he was "very old"? Did I miss something? She only just learned that he isn't human...

** Liz 10 Mentioned him as a legend, higher alien MO, hair of an idiot. In fairness, he ''is'' a time traveler, but longevity is implied too.

** It might also be standard practice to keep engines running in case some space debris big enough to overcome any shielding is spotted as on a collision course with the ship. Or simply because the engines normally used take a long time to power up - without power, your ship can't do anything except keep in the same direction at the same speed.

** Don't forget that engines just aren't for moving - take your auto for instance. Sure, you can run the headlights, play the radio, and even open and close the windows without the engine running, but not for very long. A spaceship - especially one designed to be a city, would also have to have some way of generating all that power. Ordinarily that would be the engines - but in this case, it's possible that they're not just using that star whale for transportation.

** But they're actually not different people. They are literally the same person. Sure, the Doctor changes his face and veneer, but overall he doesn't change his core self more than anyone would over that period of time. Besides, calling his separate incarnations by numbers like 'Ten' and 'Eleven' is only used outside the show - the Doctor and other Time Lords are never shown to care what incarnation someone is in and they don't have trouble adjusting to a changed face. It is only because we don't change like that that we have trouble seeing them as the same person.
** You're all missing the point. It's ''what is proved by the fact that the bad guy spares someone''. The Slitheen story says "sparing children doesn't prove she's a good guy". ''The Beast Below'' says "sparing children proves it's a good guy". Whether the character is later forgiven or proven to be a good guy for other reasons doesn't affect this. And whether the two Doctors are different is also irrelevant--it's not the Doctor contradicting himself (In ''The Beast Below'' it wasn't even the Doctor who said it, it was Amy), it's the stories giving contradictory lectures.
** But it wasn't saying that, all that this really implied was that the Starwhale wasn't blaming the kids for the sins of their parents. It knew the children weren't a part of it's pain -the children were unaware of the Starwhale until they become adults. Once they're old enough to vote, they became aware of it's suffering and ''chose'' to ignore it: they were no longer innocents in it's mind. Also, we're talking about a show with decades of continuity and many different writers, of course there are going to be contradictory messages sometimes. At least that suggests they're not set into one certain moral truth above all others.
** On the contrary; with the greatest of respect, from where I'm sitting it seems to be ''you'' who is missing the point. The moral of the discussion in the earlier story is not just "sparing children doesn't prove Margaret the Slitheen is a good guy", it's "sparing one person doesn't automatically prove you're a good guy ''when you have a lengthy list of evil actions to your name to begin with''". Margaret the Slitheen was clearly shown and proved to be a ruthless, vicious murderess who killed people, wore their skins and joked about it before her whole supposed HeelFaceTurn, and it's clearly suggested that she had a fairly lengthy list of evil actions to her name before this. The crux of the Doctor's argument was that saving one person does not automatically negate her past misdeeds or suddenly make her 'good' -- it's just her way of trying to convince herself that she's changed. Indeed, the fact that she was still planning to blow up Cardiff to get a ride off the planet (thus presumably killing the person she 'spared' anyway) suggests that she hadn't really reformed in any serious way at all. The whale, on the other hand, had done nothing to suggest that it's an 'evil' creature at all, plenty to suggest that it is a benevolent creature, and no one -- not even the humans -- even suggests that it is in any way evil; indeed, the whole point of the episode is that the humans are so consumed with their guilt at what they feel they have to do to an innocent creature in order to survive that they are either happy to wipe their own minds clean to forget about it or -- in what is suggested to be the rarer option -- risk the destruction of their entire society to prevent it. It is the society that has captured and enslaved the whale that is clearly presented to be evil, not the whale itself. The stories are not contradictory because the whale was never presented as the 'bad guy' at all, and was clearly and demonstrably presented the ''good'' guy, whereas Margaret the Slitheen ''was'' clearly presented as the bad guy from the start.

** It's also ultimately presented in a way that it's treatment is a dark and shameful secret; the whole point of the voting booths is that the people are presented with the 'truth' of Starship UK, which is so horrible that they either choose to forget it or risk the destruction of their entire society in outrage. Considering that this truth is pretty clearly the torture of the space whale, this is not exactly how you'd react or present it if the whale was supposed to be viewed as a hostile, malevolent threat. Liz Ten's speech to herself pretty much admits that from the perspective of the humans, the whale was just going about it's thing when they captured it and hooked it up to a torture machine; if they'd wanted to even give the slightest hint that the whale was a threat or an enemy, why didn't they claim it was attacking them? The whole treatment of the whale once we learn of it's existence is framed in terms that what's happening to it is clearly an outrage and an atrocity; again, hardly how it would be presented if we were truly supposed to see the whale even partially as a malevolent entity. And frankly, if the whale ''does'' eat or harm the adults, then considering it's the adults who have hooked it's brain up to a torture machine and are zapping it every few minutes then I think a ''little'' hostility is pretty justified under those circumstances; if I was being tortured and I had the chance to get even with the people I saw as being my torturers, I probably would -- they're the ones who are at wrong in that situation, not me. In fact, the very fact that the whale ''doesn't'' take further revenge barring this ultimately supports the view that it's not a malevolent threat. We do get a few scary moments with the whale, truth, but on the whole the story makes it fairly clear even before this that it's the humans who are being the evil ones in this situation, not the whale.

** Maybe so, but to be fair from a storytelling point of view it's not exactly an option with a great deal of excitement or complexity behind it; "come on, everyone in Britain, line up to board the TARDIS!" -- not ''incredibly'' exciting. Plus, it leads them open to the 'well, why don't they just do that ''every'' week?" accusation. Methinks that WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief is probably necessary for this one.

** It's pretty big -- a bit of sustained thrashing, it could probably shake the city off, or at least damage it sufficiently to render it all but uninhabitable.

** It's implied to have still eaten adults. So yeah, it would've been a little ticked. Not [[BewareTheNiceOnes on the Doctor's level,]] but still a bit pissed.

** We're being a bit over-literal and bound to our own terminology here, guys and [=/=] or girls; I suspect the earlier Troper was simply stating that the people of Starship UK were metaphorically 'shagging' the space whale's brain by sending massive bolts of electricity through it -- 'shagging' in this case presumably being used as a slightly more polite way of saying 'fucking' as in 'fucking up' or 'fucking around with'. It's not necessarily a direct suggestion of MindRape as the trope-page defines it.

** For question 1: How often would the Queen talk to anyone outside of a fairly small (and easily controlled) circle of people? Historical records can be faked and forged; the previous monarch is the one who reigned before Liz, but they just keep changing the dates. In any case, it's implied she's only fairly recently started to go on her little excursions, which implies that it happens in a circular fashion: Liz gets her mind wiped, thinks everything's okay, but starts to notice certain suspicious things (of which those mentioned above -- in previous iterations -- could easily be part), starts investigating to find out what's going on, finds out the truth, gets mind-wiped and forgets it all again. Wash, rinse, repeat.
** Question 1: Every couple of years, once a citizen reaches the age of twelve, they are eligible to vote. The message Amy Pond saw is played for them, and they choose to 'Protest', or 'Forget'. Assumedly, forgetting resets their memories to the beginning of Queen Liz Ten's reign. As for records and documents, The Winders are probably charged with doctoring the written and recorded history so that it falls in accordance with the established façade.

[[folder:Victory of the Daleks]]
* 'Victory of the Daleks': A gravity bubble? That goes from being blueprints to fully functional in about half an hour? That lets Spitfires fly in the vacuum of space? And fire lasery things rather than bullets?
** There are ''[[RuleOfCool spitfires in space]]'' what other explanation do you need?
** Not buying it. You cannot meaningfully explain a plot hole (which could be cut off safely -- these Spitfires did little to advance the plot, and their existence in WWII Britain should have drastically changed history) by naming a trope. I can accept omnicidal talking pepper cans, but these insta-converted planes make no logical sense, even by ''Doctor Who'' standards, and break immersion.

** Because they are writing what THEY want to see - Confidential after "Day of the Moon" notes a lot of people got into acting/writing/camera etc because as kids they wanted to 'do' Doctor Who. If you are my age you grew up as a small boy in a country which showed a war film at least once a month during the 70's, you had Airfix models, and COMMANDO comic was staple reading material. Then you got Star Wars. Basically Rusty, Moff and the other middle-age blokes at the meeting went "Spitfires in space? [[RuleOfCool HELL YES]]". Doesn't have to make sense, it's just allowing us everything we wanted 35 years ago. And we would have got away with it if it wasn't for you meddlin' kids!
** Bracewell's connected up to the Dalek mainframe; it's how he's able to come up with all those brilliant ideas that attracted the British government to him. He's drawn up the blueprints for the gravity bubble before the episode starts (and possibly has prototypes) -- the Doctor takes note of them when they first meet. Presumably the Daleks have figured out a way of cobbling them together from WWII-era technology, which Bracewell takes advantage of.
** I'm pretty sure he did explicitly say "they're only prototypes." Not only did he have Dalek technology, he WAS Dalek technology, and he'd produced plenty of it. He'd never tested it because he had human memories and feelings, but he had stuff in the vaults. Then it would've been as easy as... well, putting a spitfire in a prototype bubble. Not to say that my belief wasn't properly suspended, but still. It makes objective sense.

* In 'Victory of the Daleks', how did the daleks not realise that destroying earth would create great one giant paradox? If the daleks had destroyed the earth at this point, then it wouldn't have been there for them to steal in "Stolen earth", meaning that Donna wouldn't have been their to foil their plans, leading to most of them getting destroyed and the one ship getting away. However, if that happened, they wouldn't have gone back in time, making it impossible for them to create those five daleks, or create the human bomb to... [[TemporalParadox Oh no, I've gone crosseyed.]]
** [[TimeyWimeyBall Wibbley Wobbley Timey Wimey]] The daleks (especially these superior ones) would've considered that, but also remember that in the whoniverse, time is in flux, most episodes revolve around things that didn't happen,the universe compensates to maintain the changes. Only certain events (events that Timelords and Daleks can sense) are fixed. This was probably a fluxing event, giving Daleks the OK.
** sorry, refuse to belive in [[TimeyWimeyBall Wibbley Wobbley Timey Wimey]] in this case. If bringing one guy back to life in Fathers day causes the reapers to appear and attempt to fix things, then destroying the entire human race has got to screw the universe over seven ways to one.
** Actually, in that case, the time stream was weakened because of the prescense of two versions of the Doctor and Rose, one is a very prominent time lord, integral to keeping the universe in order, the other was significant because of the powerful "Bad Wolf" phenomena surrounding her. Also, the Doctor existed twice, and Rose existed THREE times in the same moment in time there. That's got to have complicated things a bit.
** The Daleks didn't actually want to destroy the Earth this time; the whole 'Bracewell is a bomb!' thing was just a backup plan to ensure that the Doctor wouldn't interfere with their escape. They knew full well that given the choice between saving the Earth and destroying the Daleks, he'd choose saving the Earth -- the timeline was never at risk because the Daleks played the Doctor like a balalaika and exploited his love for the planet.
** They're ''Daleks'' -- since when have they given two shits about keeping the timeline on the straight and narrow?
** '''Remembrance of the Daleks'' - "Even the Daleks, ruthless as they are, would think twice before making so incalculable a change to the timeline." And he was referring to an eighties tape deck in the ''sixties'', not wiping out a planet.

** Since they refused to kill Adelaide in the flashback in ''Waters of Mars'' specifically because she was a fixed point and couldn't die too soon. And of course destroying humanity in World War II would have wiped Adelaide.

** And as the seventh Doctor said in Remembrance of the Daleks: "The Daleks have a mothership up there capable of eradicating this planet from space. But even they, ruthless though they are, would thing twice before making such a radical alteration to the timeline."

** Also remember that Amy didn't remember the whole stole the earth thing, because, as we find out, it never happened because of the cracks, so they wouldn't consider preventing it a paradox, since they didn't happen. As for how could they exist then if they escaped from the stole the earth thing, due to the cracks, not many things involving them makes sense: you know, Angels not existing, but no news of Octavian being alive, the stuff with penguins in Big Bang, etc. We don't even know what happened to Donna if the Earth-stealing never happened, so the paradox thing is not that big a problem.

* In 'Victory of the Daleks' Why didn't the Daleks program that scientist to follow their orders, thereby ordering him to order them, this means that when their plan starts, they'll have a minion on site, who can sabotage any human resistance they might encounter. At least deactivate him, and not risk him using the plans YOU gave him to attack. [[IdiotBall Idiots!]]

** Besides, doesn't The Doctor say something about uploading memories onto Bracewell? Meaning that the Daleks didn't create a computer that acted human, but put a human's thoughts in an Android.

** Maybe the events of Journey's End never happened for Amy? The crack in space and time ate up her memories, not the events themselves.
** No, see, I think this is the very nature of the cracks in time: there's a natural and an unnatural way to change the timeline: the cracks are [=UNnatural=]. They're erasing things in a way which doesn't make sense. If we are to believe that time is in constant flux, then surely thing are happening and unhappening all the time, without causing any damage -the timeline just reshapes itself accordingly. But the Cracks in space are a sign that something has ''damaged'' the time line itself. Events, things, even people, vanish into the cracks, but the events and experiences surrounding those things do not unhappen as well, or adjust as they normally would. Let's use the Battle of Canary Warf as an example: according to Amy in "Victory of the Daleks", it now never happened... but I bet that Ianto Jones was still a member of Torchwood Three after his girlfriend was halfway cyber converted, and that Rose was still in the alternate unvierse (which she wouldn't have been if that battle unhappened in a natural way) and so on. If people who were directly involved in the Canary Wharf battle actually stopped to think about their lives (if Ianto Jones stopped and wondered why he was in Torchwood three, etc) then they'd realise that their lives quite literally ''didn't make sense''. Also recall that at the end of ''The Pandorica Opens'', River found a photograph of Amy with Rory, who at this point should have never even existed. This implies to me that there are great big chunks being ripped out of the timeline but leaving other bits behind. Like it's a quilt being unravelled thread by thread until it falls apart... It's all a bit like what goes down in Terry Pratchett's ''Thief of Time'', really. This is further expanded upon in The Big Bang where we still that the whole universe has vanished to such an extent, that humans have created a bunch of strange myths, such a the Nile Penguins, just trying to explain how the remaining pieces of their universe fit together.
** In addition to this, Amy exists - but her parents don't, and never did. Clearly bits can be left behind.
** The events are wiped out by the cracks, but their effects aren't. It's like how at the end of the angels two parter, they erase all the angels, but are still on the planet even though the only reason they were on the planet is because of the angels.

** Hadn't Davros used human meat to fill out the daleks, each using as a sort of seed the DNA from one of the cells from in his chest? Genetically pure dalek, but synthesized from a large amount of human and a miniscule amount of kaled.

** If you're talking to the first reply, probably, apart from the 1 cell=1 dalek bit. If you're talking to the original entry, I don't know, that's why I wrote the first reply.

** I believe the Daleks that are revived here are part of the original group of Daleks created by Davros - i.e. the ones which turned on their creator and attempted to kill him because he was not a pure Dalek. This is because while Davros was the father of the Dalek race, he never personally underwent the process that took forcibly evolved his species (the Kaleds) into the Daleks. So there is a fair chance that the original Daleks would see any Dalek created from Davros' unenhanced cells as "impure".
** My personal theory (been a while seen watching this episode, though) is that the British Daleks were escapees from the void (remember all the 'barriers between universes breaking down' last season?) who came across a wrecked Time War saucer (with the Progenitor thing inside). They weren't accepted because their DNA was stained with 'void stuff'
** It's entirely possible that the Progenitor was designed to reject Davros' DNA from activating it to avoid another Dalek Civil War (Resurrection, Revelation and Remembrance of the Daleks all featured this war)
** And in my WMG you can see that I guessed that the Daleks in this episode ''are'' from "Parting of the Ways"
** This leads me to wonder...why didn't Davros' Daleks show any worry about being impure back in "The Stolen Earth"? These three Daleks decided to pull a XanatosGambit to get the Progenitor to work, so why didn't the Crucible Daleks get a Progenitor with their massive resources?

* In Victory of the Daleks, a single Time War Dalek shoots down several very fast planes mid-flight with perfect accuracy, later, as The Doctor is fleeing from the Paradigm Daleks they miss him, all five of them. How?

** He's already diffused the Oblivion Continuum inside Bracewell, Bracewell's shown he can overcome and break away from Dalek conditioning and he already has a life of sorts where he is -- why not let him live a happy life there?
* Which Daleks were these? A couple of these posters seem to imply they hopped straight out of the Time War, which I suppose was possible while Gallifrey was in the sky, but the Progenitor would definitely recognize the pure-blood Time War Daleks. So, no. All the wikis I've seen assume they're from The Stolen Earth, and I suppose Davros-nipple Daleks wouldn't register for the Progenitor unit (which is arguable, since aren't ALL Daleks originally grown from Davros' species?), but the end of that finale had the human Doctor specifically engineer a universe-sized blast to annihilate anything Dalek...and then, what? They cloaked and followed the Earth back across the galaxy as the Doctor towed it, then emergency jumped back in time? I think not. That's a little hard to imagine. The last option I can think of is that they are from Parting of the Ways, the human Daleks that were all "DO NOT BLASPHEME" to the Emperor. Obviously, they wouldn't register as Dalek, and they've got the benefit of location, but it's a little odd that Rose would let them go...Or, and this is one hell of a longshot, they could be Void Daleks from the prison ship who found or built a ship. Being soaked in Void Stuff might screw with the Progenitor's scan. Anyway, all of these are a little far-fetched, each with a serious flaw. Please advise.

** The Daleks know that all of the Time Lords but the Doctor is dead so perhaps the progenitor just scans the Doctor and realizes that he's a Time Lord and thus must be the Doctor. Of course, I don't get why the Progenitor was so concerned about the fact that those Daleks weren't "pure" considering that the new Daleks predictably killed the impure ones.

** In "Doomsday," when the Daleks are talking to the Cybermen, one of them recognizes the Doctor as "Enemy." No complex scans, no special voice identification, and Ten had never met these Daleks before. They came straight from the Time War. They are clearly capable of identifying time lords in some fashion.
** Simple -- they're clearly operating in a time, place and era where the local population has no any reason nor has ever had any reason to have even ''heard'' of a Dalek, much less suspect or claim that the things operating as 'Ironsides' are anything other than what they claim to be. So when some strange guy comes along out of nowhere and not only recognises them immediately but then starts ranting about how they're everything he despises and the worst things in the universe before calling them by their name, it's a fairly safe bet that this isn't the postman they're dealing with. Furthermore, they probably found out about Churchill's knowledge of the Doctor and insinuated themselves into his inner circle precisely to increase the odds that he'd summon the Doctor along.

* The Daleks tell the Doctor to call off the attack on their ship, or else they'll blow up Bracewell and destroy the Earth. The Doctor calls off the attack...and then runs to disarm Bracewell. Why does he go to disarm Bracewell? Because he figured that the Daleks wouldn't keep their end of the bargain. But wait, if the Doctor knew that the Daleks wouldn't keep their end of the bargain, why did he agree to it in the first place?

* If the events of Journey's End never happened(something that is still erased, even after the universe is rebooted), what happened to Donna Noble? Or Rose? Or 10.5 Doctor?! Yeah, erasing people via cracks leaves remainders, but what happens when an event is [[RetGone retgoned?]] Especially after the reboot. Does Rose Tyler still remember due to being time travellers? Does his Time Lord biology allow Handy Doctor to exist? Do the effect of the cracks spread to other universes(asides from the Total Event Collapse)? And is Donna still afflicted with the Meta Crisis?
** ** I don't think there's any evidence that ''everything'' erased didn't come back. After all, Amy doesn't know anything about countless planets and yet somehow when everything was rebooted, they came back. The Doctor was the one who really rebooted the universe by flying the Pandorica into the exploding TARDIS and he most certainly remembered those events he was a part of.
** Even if only everyone's memory of Journey's End was wiped but the physical consequences of it (Donna's memory loss, metacrisis Doctor, Mickey coming back to the original universe, etc) still remained, it would still pose a problem for Waters of Mars. Adelaide was inspired to go into space thanks to her memory of the Dalek invasion in Journey's End. If Adelaide never went to space, then she never died on Bowie Base One, thus wiping out a fixed point in time that would result in the whole of human space travel history collapsing. Yet the Doctor and Amy meet future space-faring humans in the very next episode.

** An event can be eaten if the catalyst for that event was eaten. The Cybermen in the new series are all from the parallel world or off-planet so if the Cyber King never existed it wouldn't have been a big deal. Since the Doctor theorized that the cybermen in 1851 were ones that escaped being trapped in the void by going back in time, all them never existing meant was that there were a few less 'ghosts.' To prevent 'Journey's End', all you have to do is erase Dalek Caan and no one could have saved Davros from the Time War so there was no new Dalek fleet.

** I assume that he dismantled them for the sake of not breaking the timeline, with the dismantling either occurring after the reappearance of Danny Boy in "A Good Man Goes to War", or it was simply a one-shot rebuilt for the debt owed for the Doctor. It could also be a ReedRichardsIsUseless effect, with Bracewell being the only person on Earth able to replicate the design.

** Also, note what Bracewell is going to do at the end of the episode; he's going to find and meet up with the woman he loves (according to his memories at least). After his experiences and the realization that it led to -- one which almost led him to kill himself, after all -- he probably isn't much interested in science or inventing things on that scale anymore, and who can blame him, really?

[[folder:The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone]]
* In Flesh and Stone, why did they need the bodies? It was stated that they were snapping necks because they needed bodies. They [[spoiler:took Bob's mind/voice]] very quickly, and so it probably wasn't for that, and the eye thing didn't seem to be much of a conversion, and more just an attack method. Though the line about knocking Amy out implied control was at least possible. But even then, they never did anything with them, and already had an army, so what would seven or so more angels that take time to incubate add? And their plain was to drain the crack]] and so they wouldn't need numbers anyway. I suppose it could be something that will come up later, but it really seems odd it wasn't mentioned again.
** My theory: In ''Blink'' the Doctor explained that the 'sending you back in time' thing was a way for the Weeping Angels to feed on your potential energy. In ''The Time of Angels'', he claims the ones encountered on Earth were 'scavengers' who were barely squeaking by, and observes that the ones on Alfava Metraxis were feeding on the energy of the ship's drive core (and, as we later find out, on the Crack). They are also Monsters who prey on people ForTheEvulz. In short: they snapped Bob's neck for his voice. Everyone else, they killed straight out because they didn't need to feed on them, they just liked killing people. On the other hand, is it actually established they snapped Octavian's neck instead of killing him in their usual fashion?

** At least for human vision, periphery vision isn't always perfect. The end of ''Blink'' was the only time they were looking straight at each other.

* In ''The Time Of Angels'', it's revealed that the image of an Angel becomes an Angel. First, [[NightmareFuel thanks for the additional nightmares]]. Second, remember the information Sally hands the Doctor in ''Blink''? There was a ''photograph of the Angels'' in that envelope. Also, Sally definitely looked at an Angel's eyes during ''Blink''.

** Yeah, but the Angels in ''The Time Of Angels/Flesh and Stone'' are ''also'' quite clearly scavengers. That's why they needed to release the radiation from the ship's reactor and all that stuff. They're severely lacking in energy, seemingly even more so than those in ''Blink'' - they don't even LOOK like Angels!

** If I recall correctly, the angels in the Maze of the dead were scavengers, the one on the Byzantium (whose image was taken and who got into Amy's head) was a normal, healthy angel that was on a rescue mission to help the other ones. So it's possible that that one had enough energy to create another Angel.

** Guys, the thing is, the whole point of the episode is that the doctor has been sent back in time by the angels. At the end of the episode, Sally gives the Doctor the photos of the angels (which, as images of angels, are angels, of course). We don't see the point in the Doctor's future where he gets sent back in time by angels. I think it's pretty reasonable to assume that those photos DID become legit angels, and that's how the Doctor got into the whole mess in the first place.

** And at the start of Time of Angels, The Doctor seems pretty surprised at the whole 'image of an Angel becomes an angel' thing, surely he'd remember something like that if an Angel came out of a piece of paper and trapped him the past for who knows how long?

** Alternatively, The Doctor is actually responsible for the Angels in the Maze, and the first angels in the Planet were taken by him when he visited the Aplans for a nice dinner with their architect, through Sally's pictures, that were in the TARDIS. I like this alternative, makes a good Head Canon.

* The Angels, being quantum-locked, turn to stone while observed. Why must that observation be looking at them? There are other ways to observe things, which should also petrify the Angels. And when Amelia is walking past them in the forest, they turn to stone ''even though she's not observing them''. Since ''Blink'' clearly establishes they cannot control their transformation ability, they should not have been petrified by Amelia's fictional gaze.
** Actually, [[FridgeBrilliance having thought a little more]], I realise they ''were'' being observed - specifically, via the proximity gadget in Amelia's radio. The Angels only become able to move once she loses the radio. Thus, the Doctor was wrong - the Angels weren't freezing because they thought she could see, but because she was definitely observing them. The part with moving stone doesn't really make any sense, but is perhaps a separate and not-yet-explained attribute the Angels possess.

** Precisely no time-displacement occurs in ''The Time Of Angels / Flesh And Stone''. Perhaps the Angels must make a conscious decision to time-displace people - they still seem capable of thought while petrified, and presumably could "activate" their powers that way.
** About the "time-displacement thing can occur the ''instant'' the victim is touched" thing, it's established in ''Blink'' that the Angels can move pretty fast. So if one wants to kill you and you observe it at the last minute, then what? What happens when [[FridgeBrilliance you get hit by an insanely fast block of stone?]] (Er, [[NightmareFuel I don't actually want to know)]]

** Actually, I don't think they turn to stone at all- when "quantum-locked", they have been frozen in time and space. Thus, there is no super-fast block of stone because the Angels are frozen in three-dimensional space, and can't leave the exact position that they're in. This also deals with the Fridge Logic about smashing them while made of stone, or someone moving the four Angels that were frozen in Blink- they can't be smashed while frozen in time, because change requires time, and they can't be moved because that would change their spatial coordinantes. *Fan Wanks*
** This theory is completely destroyed by the fact that the frozen Angels at the end of ''Flesh and Stone'' fell into the crack when the gravity changed.
** While hurt, the theory lives on in the implication that the crack rips up and eats time and space. The Angels might have had the reality under their feet ripped away, but survived due to their status as "complicated space-time events" for a second or two. The idea of a complicated spacetime event surviving the cracks longer than the surrounding reality is cemented when the canonically really complicated space-time event known as The Doctor reaches into a much smaller crack with his hand- given that he was much more complicated than an individual Angel (and that the crack was smaller), he could enter the crack itself, though only briefly. Wheeeeeeee! This belongs in WMG!

* How about this? When the Angels aren't being observed by the characters in Doctor Who, yet they've turned to stone... WE'RE seeing them! So it's somewhat breaking the fourth wall?

* The Time of Angel/Flesh and Stone: So basically, the Weeping Angels are the most dangerous alien race... well period. They become stone when you look at them, and if you so much as blink, you either get insta-neck snapped, or sent back a few decades. Taking pictures of them is useless for more than one reason( [[KilledMidSentence hey, is that photo looking at meaaaaaarrrrrggggghhhhhh!!!]]), and the only way to stop them ensures that if you do it long enough, you have to walk with you eyes closed for the rest of your life. Now they are most cheatingest cheaters in cheatersville without a doubt,..... but if their completely like stone when you look at them, why not just shoot them in their face [[TheBrigadier Brigadier]] [[FiveRoundsRapid Style?]] Because last I heard, bullets beat stone, even if it's only stone when you're looking. So I ask: [[MundaneSolution Why not just shoot them]]? It might actually work. Sorry if this is too long.
** An Angel's image is it's power. The opposite might be true as well. Just like they lose human shape as they get weaker, it may be impossible to break or deface them so long as they're at full power.

** Makes sense. Everything in Doctor Who is ImmuneToBullets...... Bloody Cheaters. It's just that every the Daleks can be destroyed with the right weapons. The Bastards must have some weakness, since you can't really on being lucky enough to get them to look at each other. All enemies in in the series do.

** Actually, I don't think they turn to stone at all- when "quantum-locked", they have been frozen in time and space. This deals with the Fridge Logic about smashing them while made of stone, or someone moving the four Angels that were frozen in Blink- they can't be smashed while frozen in time, because change requires time. See an above JBM for arguments and rebuttals. *Fan Wanks*

** Here's a thought; the radiation from the Byzantium was a power source for the Angels, right? It was healing them. It was powerful enough to start turning decrepit and rotting statues into fully intact angels. So maybe the bullets ''did'' damage them, just not enough to counter the HealingFactor they effectively had while bathing in the radiation.

* Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone. Okay. We KNOW that the Weeping Angels we see inside the caves are weakened/starving. That is why they appear to be very vaguely defined statues/stone lumps when we first see them but they gradually become more refined as they absorb energy from the spaceship. Given that the Weeping Angels are an interstellar menace apparently spoken of in the legends of many worlds... why is it that the weeping angels all have a uniform, human shape? Since their entire method of feeding is dependent on stealth and nobody seeing them coming, wouldn't non-humanoid species become suspicious if they suddenly see a stone statue of a human appear out of nowhere? I suppose it is possible they reshape to resemble the closest sentient life-form or they have some kind of perception filter that makes them look like a statue of the same kind of creature they are stalking.

** Humanoid? You're seeing humanoid but I'm not. Think about it. No digestive system (or at least not one that uses any sort of matter), no respiritory system, massive sharp teeth that they don't actually use, eyes that probably aren't actually eyes, wings that aren't actually wings, if you look at their biology, they're quite strange and inhuman. The reason they have two arms, two legs and one head is the same reason pretty much every Doctor Who alien does. Coincidence.

** Alternately, they might just "hide" in shapes that lead species to praise them, angels are religious figures - the other statues shown in Blink are godesses, or patriotic images. They may be programmed to hide as something that will gather people's beliefs, such as religions, nations, etc. So, in the case of non-humanoid races, they'd still blend in.

* Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone. Okay, so we know that River is a prisoner out on parole to deal with the angel problem. We also know that which falls through the cracks ceases to exist, and nobody remembers it. The angels are dealt with by sending them through the crack. The Doctor explicitly states that they never existed, now, and the three of them only remember them because they're time travelers. How the hell is River going to explain to her jailers that they sent her out to take care of a threat that they no longer recall? Even if they buy that, why on earth does she think she'll be able to get a pardon from it, particularly since none of the clerics survived to corroborate her story?
** Well, Christian, Angelo and Bob weren't sucked into the crack, so they probably have records of sending them out on the mission. And River may contact the doctor for witness testimony.

** Yeah, that's essentially just how the cracks behave - they erase people and events but not the things and reactions surrounding those people and events. Holes in time, not rewritten timeline. The harddrive still exists.
** Agreed. People are erased, and the memory of them gone, but the effect they had is still there. Otherwise when Rory was erased the entire earth should have been retroactively destroyed, since it was his taking pictures with his phone that prevented the Atraxi from destroying it to kill Prisoner Zero. And when the Doctor was erased, we'd be looking at another [[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E11TurnLeft "Turn Left"]] scenario. Amy herself should never have been born if her parents weren't. The Doctor explicitly says that things are left behind (faces in photographs, half-eaten meals, luggage), so even an erased person leaves a mark on history.

* At the end of "Blink", Sally Sparrow is shown holding photos of the angels. "The image of an angel IS an angel." So...... She's dead now right?
** I think that was explained that the Earth Angels were scavengers barely getting by, so had little strength to take image, while the one aboard the Byzantium]] was more powerful. Not to mention, the photos would have been taken twelve months before.

** Plus, she gave everything -- including the photos of the Angels to the Doctor. Ever wondered how the Doctor and Martha ended up back in 1969 in the first place... ?

* Up until the end of "Flesh and Stone" the audience counted as a viewer to determine if the angels could move or not. I even found myself thinking "don't worry Amy, I've got your back." Then suddenly, they start moving when I'm looking right at them! It goes against the established rules for them, and is a little bit annoying.

** Actually, yes, it was established as a rule in blink. Angels were in the background and could only move ''a little'' in the brief time a character blocked them from the camera. One of the things that immersed you into that story, and to most of the angels two parter was that the audience counts as an observer. Saying they can move between frames just causes bigger problems with that angel crawling out of the TV screen earlier in the episode. To answer your question, though, the angels should't be able to move because they ''are'' being observed by the audience. The angels can't control this ability so it doesn't matter if they should be aware of the observance or not. That was really the brilliance with it.

** That just raises further questions with the angel coming out of the TV earlier. If these Angels can move between the frames of the show, then ''that one'' should have been able to as well. So should all the ones in blink for that matter. I wish people would stop trying to use this as a justification, I really do.

** The Angels were about [[RetGone ''to be erased from history.'']] Moving when on-screen is likely only possible in life-or-death situations. After all, the quantum-lock was a defense mechanism. At the time, it was sort of redundant.

* I always thought that the time and space the angels were frozen in was being messed with, and, coupled with the laws of physics screwing up around the cracks allowed the Angels to move.
* The boring but real answer is that the angels never moving in Blink just was an immersion technique when making the show. It lets the viewer experience the same thing as the characters do, no more than that. The angels doesn't have any 4th-wall power, just in-show powers that creates the feeling of a fourth-wall-break.
* At the end of Flesh and Stone, Amy's clock reads 11:59 AM on June 25th, despite the fact that it's dark out. The clock then ticks to 12:00 PM on June 26th. Where did those 36 hours go?

[[folder:The Vampires of Venice]]
* Vampires of Venice. At the end, Rosanna removes some of her clothes. Clothes created by a perception filter and therefore which don't actually exist. Um... wha?

* Vampires of Venice. Why did the fishpeople need to sink the city? Earth is already 3/4ths ocean,and the Mediterranean already has a bunch of sunken cities. Why target humans for conversion, when presumably that same tech could convert livestock? Remember 10 offering a much more dangerous race (Racnoss) in a similar predicament a deal that would allow their survival. Guess 11 is an even bigger jerk.

** I'm not an expert on optics and this bugged me a bit as well, but don't mirrors and glass concentrate the light of the sun? Like how you shouldn't look at the sun directly through a telescope or it'll damage your eyes, or you can use a mirror or a magnifying class to burn ants (if you're of that frame of mind). Fish-man can probably cope sufficiently with a normal amount of sunlight, but a concentrated amount is lethal to him (especially in his exposed form, as he's in when Amy beams him). The ''better'' question is where did the beam of sunlight come from in the first place, considering Rosanna's machine has completely blocked out the sun by this point?

** Possibly a combination of the above "he's in his exposed state" and the fact that she got him directly in the face. Since my other favorite British show is ''Series/{{Being Human|UK}},'' I remembered that the vampires on that show aren't explosively allergic to sunlight, but they are sensitive to it, especially their eyes. Maybe having it shined directly into his face created a direct link to his brain?

** She wasn't on the job. I'm sure an actress's husband could justifiably get mad at his wife for kissing someone else off-camera.

[[folder:Amy's Choice]]

** The Doctor admits throughout the series (as a whole) that he CAN die despite the Time Lords way of cheating death with Regeneration. If they're injured to a point that causes instant death, Regeneration is more than likely impossible. It's when he's in the process of dying that his Regeneration process starts. The Doctor seems to fall in with the likes of Wolverine and Zombies in which the only way to kill 'em is to [[LosingYourHead remove their heads.]]
** Presumably the Doctor, rather than regenerating, can elect simply to die, as with The Master in Last of the Time Lords.
** Turns out the Doctor was on his last regeneration - he couldn't regenerate and would have died if Clara hadn't persuaded the Time Lords to gift him another cycle in Time of the Doctor.

[[folder:The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood]]
* Cold Blood. How come the Doctor can stick his hand into a crack in time, but a single strand of Timey Wimey Spaghetti Light from said crack is more than enough to erase Rory from existence? It makes no sense for the Doctor to be completely okay!
** Sometimes the cracks don't erase anything (Eleventh Hour) or don't do it right away (Flesh and Stone). It wasn't a very bright move, but it worked

** Actually You can see in the ep it IS affecting him, and badly - however, he's a far more complex space-time event than Rory was. The crack probably DID begin to erase him, however due to the complexity it would have taken far longer to complete the process, allowing him to fish out the TARDIS remnant.

* Oh, look. Now Rory had to go and get sucked into two places in time and space that should never have touched. So what now? So the events of Vampires in Venice never happened. So Venice is now taken over by fish-people? Also, how many times has Amy kissed\hugged Rory? So now she is hugging nothing? Seriously, this just bugs me.

** What happened in the Eleventh Hour now that he's been erased?
** It still happened it just doesn't make total sense in peoples memories anymore. The cracks create ''gaps'' in the timeline. They're essentially ripping events and people out of existence but leaving behind everything connected to those bits: those events now don't make total sense, which is exactly the point, and part of why the cracks are so dangerous -think of it like a tapestry: each event or person is a thread, and the more threads you remove, the less the overall tapestry makes sense and the more likely it is to collapse completely.
** Alternately, think of a film with a scene missing in the middle (or some of the early Doctor Who serials that have MissingEpisodes, which seems appropriate). Scene A happened. Scene C happened. How did we get from one to the other? Dunno, but ''something'' happened.
** History papers over the events. Perhaps some other hospital worker noticed the difference, when they were working the shift that should have belonged to Rory. Maybe Amy's friend Jeff helped out. Maybe tap dancing Cybermen came down from the sky and took Prisoner Zero hostage. We'll probably find out soon, however.

** True, they might not blindly follow him, but he has enough connections (through UNIT and Jack's Torchwood, if it's still around) and they have enough experience with the Doctor -- plus a history of things getting very bad very quickly when they ignore his advice -- to suggest that just dismissing him and his advice out of hand, especially for no better reason than pique at being left out, is probably not going to end well. Plus, there's that whole "we have the potential to completely wipe out human civilization from underneath" bargaining chip that would probably make them think twice before rejecting anything out of hand. You might not fully like their terms, but you don't pick needless fights with people who are in a pretty good position against you, either -- especially if someone comes along with mutually acceptable terms for co-existence. As for Amy and Other Woman's treaty, it might not be all-encompassing, but it's a starting point and, since they're the only ones there and the only ones the Silurians are willing to give access or talk to at that point, it's them or no one, really.

* In "Flesh and Stone," The Doctor tells Amy that she can still remember the people who went into the crack, because she's a time traveller now. So why does she forget about Rory? That really bugs me.

* From Cold Blood: Pretty much the whole episode bugged me, but what I can't figure out is why didn't Amy or Mo feel the need to inform the Doctor about the Silurian medic dissecting Mo while he was still conscious and was about to do the same to Amy. I would think (or hope at least) that had he known about that, the Doctor wouldn't have been so friendly to them. If they mention it to him off-screen, he sure didn't show that he cared.

** It's ''vivisecting'', not dissecting. Perhaps Amy and Mo figure that since A) the Silurians plan to declare war on the human race and will probably win, B) the Doctor is currently open for negotiation, allowing for the survival of the human race, and C) telling the Doctor about something like that would render him no longer open for negotiation, they specifically ''don't'' tell him in the hope that the negotiations can go ahead successfully and the human race survive. Of course, the Doctor being the Doctor, he can still win if the negotiations mess up - but winning through simple negotiation would have been ''so much better''.

[[folder:Vincent and the Doctor]]

[[folder:The Lodger]]

** Actually, to be specific, he states that it's "someone's ''attempt'' to build a TARDIS." It's never been said that only Time Lords can or have built [=TARDISes=] -- in fact, "The War Games" establishes the opposite.
** Not so; I'm not sure if it specifically stated so in the episode, but Expanded Universe establishes that the War Chief in the War Games was, in fact, a renegade Time Lord (Note: If you meet a renegade Time Lord, statistically, they're not friendly). The War Chief's SIDRATs were some form of cannibalized TARDIS. It's not that the Time Lords are the only ones who can build a Time Ship; they're the only ones that build [=TARDISes=], that specific type of Time Ship. It is perfectly conceivable, however, that other civilizations get their hands on similar technology and create something similar to a TARDIS.

** The sixth Doctor special ''The Two Doctors'' explicitly states that the Time Lords used to directly interfere whenever another race came close to developing TARDIS like technology - in this case they forced the Second Doctor to find some way to stop it's development. No more Time Lords = Time Lord like technology springing up across the universe. As for the question ''What is the distinction between a TARDIS and a regular Time Machine'' remember what that name stands for: Time and Relative Dimensions In Space. Not only is it a time machine but it can travel anywhere in the universe '''and''' is capable of travelling the multiverse (albeit at extreme risk). Remember Jack Harkness's Chula Warship from ''The Empty Child?'' that thing was probably far closer to what was actually being built on that house.
** I could be wrong, but aren't TARDIS grown and not built?
** Yet another wonderful example of contradicting Doctor Who canon; the TARDIS was never considered to really be 'alive' in Classic Who; in a really early first Doctor episode, "The Edge of Destruction", the Doctor scoffs at the idea of a sentient TARDIS, and insists it's a machine. So... just ignore it.

** The perception filter just made everyone think the second floor was ''supposed'' to be there. The stairs were part of the ship, which was disguised as both the second floor and the way up there. Note that it didn't explode violently, just sort of vanish - it disappeared quite smoothly, and thus didn't cause damage to the building.

** The ship was a pseudo-TARDIS, right? Perhaps it self-destructed in a way similar to the way the TARDIS exploded. Only instead of creating cracks in time the way the Doctor's TARDIS did, it created a very small crack which it then fell in to, sealing it (and thereby erasing its history since the crash). Somewhat backed up by evidence from Flesh and Stone-- the Doctor tells River she wouldn't be enough to close the crack, and even all the Angels in the forest only closed it temporarily... but the Doctor (who is probably, by now, roughly an equal weight to the TARDIS in the space-time anomaly area) is enough to close it for good (IIRC). It would also explain how the Daleks were able to destroy [=TARDISes=] in the time war without destroying the universe-- they got sucked in to the resulting (much smaller) crack, along with their crews, and the crack got enough Wibbly Wobbly to seal itself with no further harm done.

[[folder:The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang]]

** The Doctor gave the impression that only time travelling would leave those things lying about. The ring stayed because it was in the Tardis, and Amy's memories can return because she's travelled in time, but there shouldn't be anything like that involved with the photograph - unless the following episode will reveal something significant about it, ofcourse.

** I'm sticking with my "the timeline is a tapestry" theory: each person, event, etc is a part of the overall tapestry. The cracks in time essentially remove some of those threads, but the rest of the tapestry stil remains - at least up until a certain point, where you've removed so much that there are fewer threads than there are holes and everything just... falls apart.
** Okay, so here's a question then: in The Big Bang, Amy's memories of the Doctor come back, pulling the Doctor himself back from non-existence. So when plastic Rory jogged Amy's memories of him, wouldn't the real Rory appear, since the one she was talking to was a fake?
** You could make a case that she ''did'' bring Rory back, in a sense, since the Auton Rory's memories were taken from her and he was notably different from all the other Autons (resisted his programming, remained 'human', remained alive when all the other Autons had been wiped out of existence, etc); she just happened to bring him back inside the body of the Auton duplicate. In any case, ''real'' Rory was still dead even ''before'' he was wiped from existence, so would still be dead anyway. Alternatively, the universe wasn't rebooting itself then, and everything else Amy brought back -- her parents and even the Doctor -- were centred around her remembering them when the universe was being rebooted.

* Okay, The Pandorica Opens. Liz10 was the Queen in the 22nd Century. She abdicated at the end of that episode. How is she Queen again in the 52nd Century? Let alone alive? I mean I know they could slow her body clock, but so she'd live... over 3000 years?

** Maybe that wasen't Liz10. Maybe it was one of her [[IdenticalGrandson descendants]] say Liz15

** All of creation is on the verge of annihilation via time cracks-Liz10 being in the wrong time zone is just a sign of this.
* If Cybermen are so functional ''without'' human brains - and the 'empty' Cyberhead seems completely functional - why do they even need to assimilate humans in the first place?

** Perhaps the Cyberman armor has some limited abilities without organic components, but require an organic brain to actually function at above the most basic levels
** Their entire purpose is that they're a bunch of people [[WellIntentionedExtremist who have]] [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans given up]] [[CyberneticsEatYourSoul their emotions]] [[WhoWantsToLiveForever to survive.]] Functional or not, they still have a destiny to fufill.

* The crowd of aliens was made up of whatever costumes they had lying around, which leads to some FridgeLogic (such as what the Silurians are doing there considering they're not aliens, shouldn't be on Earth during this era and would most likely be inclined to ''listen'' to the Doctor, considering they're, you know...not evil).

** Daleks - Timetravel.
** Cybermen - Mondas cybermen from this point in history, useing space travel.
** Sontarans - We already know they are fighting a war which had, a few years ago been raging for 40,000 years. This means they pre - date the romans by millenia.
** Silurians - A group that we didn't know about that lived during that period.
** Nestene - We don't know how old it is.

** The Sontarans have time travel technology; it just isn't very good. And it could easily have been improved since "The Time Warrior," once they have the basic idea down.

* Might be a future plot point - If the Autons were created from Amy's memories, how did Auton Rory come about, considering ''Amy supposedly doesn't remember Rory?''

** Seems like she does remember him on some level. 'before he was time-nommed' doesn't work, because the TARDIS makes the cracks before Amy meets the Doctor ... ah, screw it, TimeyWimey

** Alternatively -- and this is a bit of an Epileptic Tree but I'll throw it out there regardless -- Rory was an Auton all along.

** Or maybe they could be there on behalf of the Shadow Proclamation...perhaps the Doctor annoyed them more than he thought in ''The Stolen Earth''...

** The Doctor has met the Weevils. He met one in the episode 'Love and Monsters'.

** As River points out, she's a complicated event in time and space. [[spoiler:Rory died and was erased from time, but not her, just as Amy wasn't erased when her parents were. She remembers, of course, because she wouldn't be River if she didn't, she wouldn't exist if she didn't send Amy the notebook, and The Doctor didn't come back, and pick her parents up for a great Tardis Honeymoon, which caused her Time Head, same way she'd never exist if she hadn't died for The Doctor back in the Library, for he'd never meet her mother, blahblahblah.]]

* What bugs me the most about 'The Big Bang' is that Amy's alternate timeline created from the Doctor being wiped from history, instead of being a perfect one with her getting married should have instead been '''Hell.''' The Doctor has saved the Earth so often that if he had been wiped from history so too would have ''the entire universe.'' A few examples: The Doctor ending the Time War by killing off the Time Lords and the Daleks ''never happened,'' The Doctor stopping Davros from destroying the multiverse ''never happened,'' The Third Doctor stopping the Master from conquering the Earth a dozen times ''never happened,'' need I actually continue? there are hundreds of these examples, all of which would have ended everything the very second the Doctor sacrificed himself. Oh, and the excuse that history compensates for the damage is an asspull: someone had to save the Earth on all these occasions - ''maybe it was the Meddling Monk...''
** Seconded. What makes me laugh is that bloody Star Trek Voyager once worked this out when they had the chance to get a time travelling Romulan to change history for them - until they worked out the little matter of their influence on the Delta Quadrant and the whole ''extinction of the Ocampa thing.''

** I agree with the above explanation, but I also have one of my own: the Doctor was only being erased from the moment he stepped into the cracks onwards, i.e. only his eleventh incarnation. If you look you'll see that most of the dangers to the world in this series took place in the future, so by Amy's wedding wouldn't have happened yet - maybe a few more people were put into comas by Prisoner Zero, Venice sank and Vincent van Gough was eaten, but that hardly a crapsack world makes. Even the Atraxi incinirating the "human residence" only happened because they followed the Doctor to Earth, it might have taken them significanly longer to arrive without him.

** It seems pretty clear that the way the cracks were 'unwinding' the Doctor that he -- and by extension his effects on the universe -- were being erased.
** The Pandorica kept Amy alive. It kept her memories alive. When the doctor rewired it, he used those memories to populate universe 2.0. The universe is as Amy remembers it, which is why the Doctor still exists. Season 2010 was not removed from existance at all.

** New theory (unindenting, this was getting a bit long): The Doctor did exist, in the new recreated timeline. Amy just didn't remember him. When she recreated the universe, it was both from her memories and the universe particles inside the Pandorica, right? So everything that happened in this season did happen, but no-one could remember it - until Amy awoke those memories, and then everyone got it. (That's why Rory realises almost simultaneously.) The Doctor just showed up then to show off.

** We had an episode where wiping the Doctor out even just for a small part of his existence causes massive problems because the resto of us can't completely solve the problems he solved. It was called ''Turn Left''. So it really bugged me that this story completely ignored all the implications of wiping the Doctor out of history when we've already seen what that should do.
** That's the point, though -- we've already seen it. Why should the writers and producers want to redo something we've already seen, especially since we've already seen it barely a year and a bit before this episode and we would only be seeing it for five minutes tops until Amy remembered the Doctor again anyway?
** I always sort of assumed the following: In Turn Left we see what happens after the doctor dies. All of the various things that happened that he would have been able to prevent happen, and effectively send the world to hell. That's not ''exactly'' what happens here. The Doctor ceases to ''exist''. Meaning that any of the threats that show up ''solely'' because the Doctor's there(the Atraxi, those blokes from The Christmas Invasion) never show. This still leaves the problem of other such threats(the Silurian problem from Cold Blood, for example, which was caused by the humans), but I'm content to go with the troper above me's opinion.

** The Cracks are basically paradox generators, (yes this applies to The Doctor in the last episode since they specificly state he'll be trapped behind the cracks). They remove something from existence, but they don't alter history to account for the person/thing not having existed, yet they still never did the things that still happened, etc... Yes it makes no sense, yes there seems to be no way to could work like that, but that's the entire POINT of a paradox.
** Also note that Amy doesn't remember the Daleks in Victory of the Daleks (And the Doctor specifically mentions the reality bomb thing), so those threats to humanity that the Doctor stopped? They were erased from existence too!

** Just to summarise, the cracks erase the people but not the events. That's why Rory could be erased, yet evidence of his existence remained. When the Doctor never existed, everything he had ever done was not. The universe wouldn't have made sense, but it still would be there. The moment the Doctor was wished back, it made sense

:::As soon as he re-enters this reality, his timeline reasserts itself - not because he is a Time Lord, but because he is not in a stable time loop, therefore the Universe demands he has a viable timeline, and not just 'pop' into existence. Therefore Amy wakes on the morning of her wedding with history as it always has been. Amy’s memories at the Wedding Breakfast re-establishes the Doctors existence in this universe, allowing him to come back – It is not a false memory by Amy, he does exist, therefore the he can’t just ‘not exist’ that matter has to be somewhere (1st Law Thermodynamics).

:::How did he get back in? Well Ten was always using crack in reality – he burns up a sun to say goodbye to Rose. Eleven knows where he was, so sneaks in there.

* Why were the Alliance and Pandorica even necessary to begin with? If the Daleks are 'experts at fighting TARDIS' and can clearly destroy them without ending the universe, why didn't they just exterminate the Doctor and destroy the TARDIS themselves?

** Ignoring the fact that they usually don't win due to never just shooting/exterminating him at the soonest possible opportunity, my point was more that the TARDIS being destroyed should never have been a threat to the Alliance once the Daleks decided to chip in. They've already tried to destroy the Doctor's TARDIS more than once (Parting of the Ways, Journey's End, etc.) and presumably destroyed them by the truckload during the Time War. Whatever it is that causes a TARDIS' destruction to end the universe, the Daleks should know how to either contain it or nullify it entirely. Otherwise they could never combat one safely, and they obviously have if the Doctor himself considers them experts at it.
** Worth noting that the emphasis is still on 'tried' when discussing the Daleks' efforts to destroy the Doctor's TARDIS and we never actually see them destroy any others (although it is a reasonable assumption) -- for all we know, their successful efforts could still have fractured the universe. However, there's different ways to destroy something with different effects; a firecracker is different to an artillery shell is different to a nuclear bomb. Presumably the way the Daleks managed to destroy [=TARDISes=] was an equivalent to an 'artillery shell' and the way the 'silence' was planning to destroy the TARDIS was equivalent to a 'nuclear bomb'. But since we don't even know what the nature of the silence is yet, we don't know how this weapon differed, and it's made fairly clear from the way they automatically blame the Doctor for the destruction of the TARDIS that the Alliance -- including the Daleks -- aren't even aware that the 'silence' exists, meaning they can hardly be expected to be able to contain or nullify what it is doing. And since the OP explicitly questions why the Alliance is necessary, each of it's members are races that, for whatever reason, have tried to take on the Doctor and failed miserably; safety in numbers, presumably.
** The alliance is probably worried about a StableTimeLoop - even if they have techniques for destroying [=TARDISes=] safely, this is the Doctor they're dealing with. It is entirely possible that when faced with destruction the Doctor would come up with some crazy plan that no previous Time Lord had ever tried in the same circumstances, only this time it backfires and makes the destruction of the TARDIS much worse than expected. Locking him up (and presumably then looking for the TARDIS and trying to disable it in a more controlled setting) is a lot safer.
** Personally, I'm more surprised the Daleks didn't try to hijack the silence for their own purposes.
** Err, how? Even the audience currently doesn't know the cause behind the silence.

** In general theough the people associated with the Doctor generally don't kill other species at the first sign of danger. Yes Rose atomised entire fleets, but that was a bit of an unusual circumstance. Okay, it's fair to say killing Daleks is usually at least plan C or D, not the instant one lone Dalek points his gun.

* For god sake, where the hell are the Reapers? in Father's Day the Doctor states that himself and Rose being there in close proximity makes this a potentially dangerous situation which could result in a paradox - which is proven when Rose saves her dad and touches herself as a baby. Fast forward to the Big Bang where not only do we have two Doctors who have grabbed each other for far longer than Rose grabbed her father, not only do we have two Amy's going about hugging each other, but we have the Doctor constantly using the Time Travel Armband of Plot Convenience - a device that by all rights should be weakening the time continuum around the paradox. The Reapers can't have been wiped from history because it was stated in Father's day they live outside our dimension, which is why they were immune to Rose's paradox. This new timeline the Doctor and Amy find themselves in is also still obeying the laws of physics from the old one - it's just empty - there is no reason why the Reapers shouldn't have been attracted to that museum or barred somehow from coming through.

** I figured it was because the universe was already done for; come on, it doesn't get much worse than ''time'' being erased. The Reapers were probably overcome or just gave up, and Amy touching her younger self was pretty minor compared to everything else that was going on. As for The Doctor... time was already basically gone. And he didn't really cause any paradoxes with the Armband.

** Yeah but paradoxes happen all the time in Doctor Who. Rose changing her own past by knocking herself and the Doctor out of the way when she didn't remember that having happened was what made it a big enough paradox to send in the reapers. Touching past selves probably isn't a big enough paradox to send in the reapers normally but since they were already there, it just made the situation worse and strengthened the reapers. It likely wouldn't have been a reaper-worthy paradox if Rose had remembered her past self knocking her over to save her father the first time but since it didn't and she changed her own time stream in such an obvious way...

** Relatedly, if the cracks are now closed, how does the Doctor survive the Crash of the Byzantium?

** In the absence of an explanation from canon, I think there are two explanations for Flesh and Stone: (1) In the rebooted universe, the events of Flesh and Stone never happened due to the cracks never existing, the Doctor and his companions retain their memories of the event for some reason (eye of the storm, because they're time travellers or anomalies, echoes, timey-whimey ball, etc.), or (2) Thanks to Amy's memory, the crack events she's experienced happened in the rebooted universe as well, thus the rebooted universe is just like the old one minus Total Event Collapse, and the cracks are just time rifts leaking chronons (Which according to the video game at least can erase things from existence.).

** What it really boils down to is that, due to some of the events in previous seasons, the population of earth ''should'' be very jaded to things like the presence of aliens, Cyberman, attacking Daleks and other assorted whatnot. This can be a permanent scar on the 'Verse, so the whole time erasure thing actually gives them an excuse to make like it all never happened, while the relevant individuals can still remember all the relevant events when needed to. I'm under the impression that the Doctor, Time Lords in general and, for that matter, time travellers in general don't operate on a time line that actually ''tries'' to sync with the "real" timeline at all. In other words, the universe's timeline changes but time travellers don't alter their personal timeline to fit. This is probably part of what the Doctor means when he refers to himself as an extremely complex temporal event... he's the sum of a series of possible universes that ''never happened''.

* Two thoughts: (1) In The Pandorica opens, which Cybermen were we dealing with; Cybus or Mondas. They looked like Cybus, but last I checked, those guys didn't have spaceships, plus, aren't they kind of all dead after the events of The Next Doctor?

** Try the Doctor Who Confidential of the relevent episodes, though I can't be too sure.

** I heard him mention it at a preview screening Q&A for 'The Pandorica Opens', but that wasn't filmed or anything.


* And (2) From the same episode; Where are all the races that don't hate the Doctor? You know, all the people he's saved. You're telling me none of them had a say in the whole universe ending thing? That's none of them thought "Hey, why would the Doctor destroy the universe? He's saved it a bajillion times!" I can understand why [[OmnicidalManiac The Daleks]], [[WellIntentionedExtremist The Cybermen]], [[BloodKnight The Sontarans]], and others who hate him would gang up on him, since [[{{Jerkass}} they're of questionable moral fiber]], but surely other races have the tech to note the universes decay, and a reason to just ask the Doctor what's going on, so where were they?

** But those were only his human allies. What about all the alien races the Doctor has befriended, or were they also used by the [[LegionOfDoom Legion of Jerks.]]

** "Only the ''Doctor'' can pilot the TARDIS." They know that the TARDIS is the cause of the end, and the Doctor is the only one they know of who could blow up the TARDIS. They may not know why, but the sure as hell know the Doctor is the best lead.

* So, does Rory remember everything of his life as a Auton Roman legionaire [[WalkingTheEarth wandering across the earth with the Pandorica]] for a few centuries, because if he remembers all of it.... he must be pretty badass now.

** Yes, he remembers his time as the Lone Centurion. When Amy is hopping the table during the reception to greet The Doctor, you can hear Rory say, "I was plastic..." before we can't hear him anymore.

** like half of the Just Bugs Me posts EVER, this one is pretty simple. The Doctor even says it himself: "Anyone can get inside a prison."

** Technically, they do have one 'star' -- the exploding TARDIS that forms the sun (hey, how are they supposed to know what it really is?) -- so possibly the controversy comes from people arguing that there was once more than one. Alternatively, it could just be one of those complete paradoxes and contradictions -- such as dinosaurs in ice and Nile penguins -- that characterise this universe and the effect of everything being sucked into a crack -- i.e. it's gone, but part of it still lingers around and a shadowy memory of them still exists.
** The actual reason was explained in the episode. There are stars up until the point where the pandorica shuts the doctor in, therefore there are still stars in works of fiction (paintings, mythology, old stories, literature etc) predating the pandorica opening/shutting in whatever year that happened (was it 100 AD or something?). The star cults formed around the idea that something happened that made the stars dissapear, whereas popular thought in this star-less universe is that the stars never existed.

** After learning about the maimed remains of the laws of physics, they realised that the now-existing model of the universe(one Earth, one Moon and one star the Earth goes around) makes ''no god-damned sense.'' They realised the laws of physics would dictate other stars had to have existed at some point in time.

* Okay, so in The Big Bang, 11 gives Rory the Sonic Screwdriver, goes back to the present, then realizes "I don't have my screwdriver, I gave it to Rory 2,000 years ago..." then goes ''back'' and tells Rory to put it in Amy's pocket. My question is, why did he have to do that? They could have easily had present day Rory hand back the sonic screwdriver quipping, "I've been holding onto it for you." or better yet, have the Doctor ''take'' the screwdriver from Rory before he takes himself back to the present!

* In "The Pandorica Opens," the TARDIS re-routes a call from Churchill to River. If the TARDIS can re-route the signal, that must mean that the TARDIS has access to the signal. And is using it's own transmitters to send it to Stormcage. So ''why not just have The Doctor answer it?''

** Alternatively, The Silence was preventing the TARDIS from ringing the Doctor directly and so the TARDIS rerouted to River instead.

** Because he'd used a [[ThanatosGambit plan that turned his death to his advantage]]. Considering [[spoiler: this is what the Future!Doctor is planning,]] it's not far off. Besides, he's trapped in an AndIMustScream scenario. Not much you can do then.

* Why is the auton that the Nestene made for Rory in "The Pandorica Opens" soooo much more convincing and lifelike (to say nothing of competent) than the one they made for Mickey in "Rose"?

--> '''River:''' It's a trap, it has to be. They used Amy to construct a scenario you'd believe, to get close to you.
--> '''Doctor:''' Why? Who'd do that? What for? It doesn't make sense.

** As the Sontaran general said, "we shall save the universe -- from you!" They clearly view the Doctor as a threat that the universe needs to be protected from. There's also probably a little bit of 'keeping the Doctor away from us' (coupled with a bit of revenge for past slights). And considering the past relationship most of those involved had with the Doctor, they probably didn't need a ''lot'' of persuading when someone came up with "hey, you wanna lock the Doctor in an inescapable prison?" at the planning meeting. As for why Amy, Amy has been exposed to the crack from an early age, and it's clearly established that it's had some kind of mental effect on her; her memories are probably the easiest they can access. And the Pandorica? Well, to use the TimeyWimeyBall cliche again, I thought it was a case of the Alliance were inspired by Amy's memories of the Pandora's Box legend to built the Pandorica, which inspired the Pandora's Box legend, which inspired Amy, who remembered it, and so on -- classic StableTimeLoop deal.

** And the Pandorica's already been there centuries, apparently, just waiting for the Doctor and co to show up; by the time of the setting of the story, it's already under Stonehenge, which is already ancient; the Doctor and co are just guided there in Roman times. As for the story moving from Britain to Greece, that's what myths do -- change and shift based on culture. Most ancient myths and stories are based on pre-existing oral traditions which someone eventually happened to write down -- and as with any lengthy oral traditions, the details get mangled. So it's not outside the realm of possibility that the story of the Pandorica was seeded as an oral tradition centuries beforehand, but when someone in Greece eventually heard this story about a mystical box which, when opened, unleashed horrors upon the universe and decided to write it down, they just relocated it to Greece and framed it in Greek religious practices and mythology instead, thus leading to the version we recognise. As for the Romans, the Romans weren't exactly shy about outright stealing Greek mythology, changing it around a bit and passing it off as their own either.

* How did Rory break into The Pandorica with only a Sonic Screwdriver? It is regulary shown on the show that loads of boogstandard doors are screwdriver proof, why not the ultmate prison?

** Like the Troper above suggests, there's a reason there was a buttload of 'ghosts' of the various alien species that imprisoned the Doctor surrounding the Pandorica; at least some of them were probably intended as guards. You can get into a prison with a key, but you need to get past all the guards first -- in theory, anyway, since as mentioned above none of the guards were counting on being wiped from existence immediately after.

* Was Amy concious during her peroid in the Pandorica? She was nearly dead when she went in, but that doesn't neccesarily mean she didn't "wake up" later on. Also, when little Amy opened the Pandorica, and adult Amy said "this is where it get's complicated," how did she know the plan if she was nearly dead?

** My understanding was that it was matter of crack powering itself with all the (potentially) infinite mass, arton energy, all that stuff as well as the small singularity it would create, not just tardis boom=universe gone.

** The TARDIS wasn't just blown up. It was destroyed ''during flight'', ''in a time vortex'', ''by her engines overloading and exploding''. Engines that we now know are powered directly by the Eye of Harmony, a black hole that is in the process of forming but held in stasis by the TARDIS itself. The explosion would have spread the creation of the singularity to every point of spacetime through the time vortex. But during/prior to the Time War the Eye of Harmony was an already created singularity that existed somewhere near Gallifrey, and [=TARDISes=] drew their power from it through remote connection. Even if the Daleks could cause an engine overload of a TARDIS inside the Time Vortex, there isn't any creation of a blackhole to be spread throughout reality.

* This troper is still confused as to whether everything before Big Bang Two has collapsed from existence--as in all the previous Doctors, companions, adventures, etc. never happened.

* If The Doctor was erased from time, as River said, creating Big Bang Two, HOW is the Earth still around to have Amy grow up and remember The Doctor to have him come back. Off the top of my head these things would have destroyed the Earth (at minimum, if not the Universe) without the Doctor to stop them: The Neesteen, the Slitheen, the Cybermen, the Racnoss, The Daleks, The Daleks, The Cybermen, The Daleks, The Carrionites, Satan... the list goes on and on (and those are ONLY from the New Series). Without The Doctor, the Earth would NEVER have been around long enough for Amy Pond to grow up, let alone marry Rory and remember The Doctor. For that matter, how does River get to Earth (or exist at all without The Doctor and the TARDIS) to give Amy the journal the jogs her memory?
** It seems pretty clear to me that Amy subconsciously 'remembered' the Doctor ever since she was a child, when he visited her when she was sleeping as he was jumping back through time ("Well, you'll remember me a little... I'll be a story in your head...") -- all she really ended up needing was some prompts to jog her conscious memory into remembering him fully. Presumably her subconscious memories were enough to keep the timeline 'right' until she remembered him fully, at which point the timeline was sorted out. Alternatively -- hey, it's a brand-new reset timeline. Who says any of that stuff actually happened in the same way anymore? TimeWimeyBall and such.
** The thing you have to remember (no pun intended) about the cracks is that while they ''do'' erase things from history, they do ''not'' erase the impact that those things had. Even though Rory was erased, the engagement ring he gave to Amy was still on the TARDIS. Even though Amy's parents were erased, she was still born. Even though the events of Journey's End were erased, the Ironside Daleks were still created and managed to escape the destruction of the Crucible. And even though the cleric on the Byzantium was erased, Amy still had his spare communicator. The Doctor's erasure follows the same principle. Even though he was erased from history, all of the threats that he put down had still been dealt with despite him having not existed.

** StableTimeLoop, just like in ''The Lodger'' where he finds the apartment to begin with because Amy wrote him a note after she was rescued while he went to the past to rewrite a will to set up the events that led to him becoming Craig's flatmate and rescuing Amy. The entire series has had multiple instances of Bootstrap Paradoxes where the Doctor solves a problem because of something he did after he solved the problem.

* The Tardis has a library, presumably massive. Who wrote the books? Unless he gets a massive truckload delivered every time there's a redesign, the books must be grown from scratch with the rest of the interior, but how does the Tardis know what words to put there?
** Presumably it pulls them from time and space - maybe it's a spatially shifted, out of sync copy of The Library from Forest of the Dead, or some other sort of technobabble. Or maybe it's a library that's always been there - time travel, remember? He got the books from the future as and early Doctor, and then the Tardis just moves it around.

** Actually, I believe they use the term "Space Hopper."

** Several scenes (Going to the Cliffs in The Pandorica Opens, River's picnic at Asgard, etc) make it fairly clear that The Doctor actually takes them on normal outings most of the time and the adventures, while common, are still kinda the exception to the rule. Chances are, most of the time he takes the companions on perfectly normal holidays and does his reading there.

** They're not alien experts, they're space experts; and even if they know The Doctor he might not be believed since it's a new form of the Doctor.

** Sounds like in-universe Rory's badge had a typo and Rory...being Rory (or at least the impression I get of him) didn't ever get it corrected.

* Why did the Doctor feel the need to scare the shit out of the Atraxi? Need I remind you that without their help, Prisoner 0 wouldn't have been recaptured, and I think it was their 20 minute time limit that put pressure on the prisoner, and stopped it from making rash moves (such as killing the Doctor and Amy out in the open)I also got the impression that Prisoner 0 was stronger fare than what was usual on Doctor Who, without Alien assisstance, I don't see how the Doctor could've handled it otherwise, with earth technology. One more thing, the Atraxi weren't thugs like the Judoon, who didn't know anything about the plasmavore, leading it to extremes it wouldn't normally have gone too, these guys seem like official police who knew the capabilites of the prisoner, and were acting accordingly. I know 6 billion is a lot of people, but in the grand scheme of things, who knows what Prisoner 0 would've done if it escaped. This is clearly a case where the Doctor's bias towards humans shines through.

** Also, the next time they decide to wipe out the entire planet because of one lifeform on it, The Doctor might not be present. He didn't want them coming back period.

* The Doctor notices a pond, which Amy describes as a duck pond. The Doctor points out there are no ducks and asks "So how do you know it's a duck pond?". He seems to think this is a big deal, but suddenly he's interrupted by his own twitching body (due to his recent regeneration). What was that all about? Was the duck pond important? Was the absence of ducks important?

** In 'Flesh and Stone', the Doctor mentions the duck pond again as he figures out what the cracks are, so apparently that's what it was all about.

** According to WordOfGod, the ducks were swallowed by the cracks, and there was supposed to be a scene in The Big Bang that would show the ducks reappearing.

** Every regeneration is different. Five and Ten went into comas, eight full on died (he got better though), Seven suffered from amnesia, Eleven and Four went a bit peculiar for a bit. There is no set reaction.

* In 'The Beast Below" if the star whale was the last of its kind, and using it was their only hope, implying that they had no means of space travel on a large scale, how did Scotland, which was on another ship, escape? Or the rest of the world for that matter? Secondly, if the whale was moving, the glasses would have moved too! And if it wasn't moving, there would be no point torturing it. And finally, how did a being manage to evolve, on it's own, FTL travel?! Or manage to reach the Earth exactly when they needed its help?

* In 'The Beast Below', how did The Doctor not know about the secret of Starship UK? Wouldn't he know about it since he's visited points in the timeline past this episode?

** The truth gets out sometime in the year 3295 and The Doctor has been in times past that one, he should know about the whale at the very least and maybe even the whole truth. That's not even counting the fact he's in space and should be able to see under the Starship UK

* A little thing from "The Beast Below"- In Amy's anvilicious bit about the doctor in the end- how did she know he was "very old"? Did I miss something? She only just learned that he isn't human...

** Basically yeah, she guessed. She knew he was a legend from Liz, and already knew he could travel in time. She correlated what she knew about him with what she knew about the starwhale, noticed a pattern and Bob's your uncle. It's not impossible to work out the whole picture from a few puzzle pieces, and Amy just seems to have that kind of intuitive nature when she stops to think about things.

* In "The Beast Below", the reasoning that the beast doesn't hurt children, so it's really a good guy. Remember the Doctor's speech in Boom Town about how a killer doesn't cease to be a killer because it spares the cute ones so that it could live with itself? Yes, the Doctor himself didn't make Amy's statement this time, but the audience is obviously supposed to accept both of these lines of reasoning as correct, and they contradict.

* Why couldn't the Doctor free the space whale and then take everyone to their destination in the Tardis? Maybe it'd take a couple of trips, but the city wasn't in danger of blowing up or anything.

* ''The Beast Below'' - if the space whale was friendly from the start, and moves faster when it's not being tortured, why did they begin torturing it?

* In "The Beast Below", the Doctor and Amy escape the space whale by being vomited out of its mouth. But at the end of the episode, it shows that the space whale is almost wholly in space, mouth included, with the Starship UK perched on its back. Shouldn't the Doctor have been vomited into space?

* "The Beast Below": Okay, they wiped Liz's memory regularly to ensure she wouldn't find out her reign was longer than she thought. But what about everyone else on the ship? Wouldn't she find out the truth immediately after talking to them? What about historical archives? Who was supposed to reign before her in the faked history? And how come nobody but the Doctor found out that the engines weren't running? It's not like they've even bothered to conceal that fact.

* Yet another for ''The Beast Below''. Why did they keep the whale for all those years (at least two centuries)? Was it really so impossible to either ''build'' or ''buy'' engines or even just build a new ship? They considered this important enough to allow every citizen to vote on it and give the queen final say on it and they won't explore alternative means of transportation? With that kind of mindset what's going to happen to them when the whale eventually dies?

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* At the end of "Cold Blood", Eldane's narration (where he is speaking of the events of this story a thousand years later) refers to the "terrible losses" the Doctor suffered. This seems to refer to the death/erasure of Rory, possibly also the (implied) destruction of the [=TARDIS=]... But the problem is, Eldane wasn't there to witness Rory's death or the Doctor finding a [=TARDIS=] shard in the crack, as he'd already gone to hibernation, so how does he know about these events? Of course it's possible that later on the Doctor went to visit Eldane in the 3000s and told him what had happened, but at that point Rory would've already come back to life and the destruction of the [=TARDIS=] averted, so the narration still doesn't make sense.

* What's the deal with the utterly bizarre [[http://oi45.tinypic.com/ju8exj.jpg portrait]] hanging at the wall of Craig's hallway?