History Headscratchers / DoctorWhoSeries2

1st Jan '18 2:17:35 AM Tuomas
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* We see Captain Scott record the deaths of each crew member (including all of the Ood), ''except'' for the two unnamed [[RedShirt redshirts]] whom the possessed Ood kill in "The Satan Pit". Why didn't those two deserve the same honour as everyone else who died?
29th Dec '17 1:56:15 AM Tuomas
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* In the end, there's no real explanation why the clockwork robots would think the ship needs Madame de Pompadour's brain to function just because it happens to be named after her? They've already used the various crew members for spare parts and clearly have a comprehensive knowledge of human anatomy, so they should know any other brain would work just as well. Apparently, according to the episode's [[Trivia/DoctorWhoS28E4TheGirlInTheFireplace trivia page]], the original script had a different explanation for why the robots are drawn to Reinette, which would've made more sense.



28th Dec '17 11:59:05 PM Tuomas
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* After the Doctor meets Finch, the Krillitanes figure out the game is up and proceed to eat the remaining human staff. Shouldn't the Doctor have realised something like this could happen, especially since he can hear Finch calling everyone back in through the school's PA system? It wouldn't have been that hard to evacuate the humans, but the Doctor doesn't even seem to consider they might be in danger and simply lets them die.
28th Dec '17 11:38:00 PM Tuomas
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*** To expand on that simple fact. First of all, yes, the original counter of how "pain and suffering are as much a part of living as anything" is easily argued against. Of course, it's only so because we, being the fleshy, "path of least resistance and pain" creatures we are (like every other living being we've made contact with ever) don't quite see things that way overall, and as a species find such an argument to be rather, well...lacking. At least, in our armchairs, away from the sudden realization that we could change the whole of MOTHERFRAKKING CREATION with a mere THOUGHT if we just said "yes" to Finch's offer. That's NOT saying that Finch's offer isn't valid, or at all appealling--it is very MUCH appealing AND its reasoning valid. However, here's the inherent problem. For one, it's a bad guy giving this offer. Now, we have no reason to assume that he's not making that offer genuinely, but this is a top-notch, head-of-invasion-group Krillitane we're talking about. These guys CHOW DOWN on any species they conquer *simply to add evolutionary benefits to themselves,* and that's just when they're at war. Finch himself goddamn snacked on an orphan seemingly out of being slightly peckish. It's never really made clear who gets control of the Skasis Paradigm and how. Nor is it made clear how that power, and thereby the control of it, is distributed. Of course, you can simply say "it makes them GOD, so that doesn't matter", but that only brings up the question in response, "Then what DOES matter?" It's obvious that Finch wants the Doctor to share this power, we get that the moment the WhamLine comes into play--and it's a good idea from a short-sighted, practical standpoint. What isn't so obvious is the simple fact that, like the rest of us, the Doctor is (despite his longevity and experiences) still a relatively mortal and emotional being of sentience. Sarah Jane's speech wasn't so much about the status quo, as it was about the fact that we humans, as a species, have to go through horrible, terrible things to evolve and develop in a good direction. It also doesn't stop the fact that, with a Ten as sudden Big Daddy over all the whole of time, space and creation, who's to say what goes and what does't? The point here wasn't so much that Status Quo is God, but rather that, in order to develop properly, species like our own, and even the Time Lords, have to experience all of the bad sides of creation as a whole as well, so that we know what NOT to do when it really matters. At this point, the only remaining arguement against such an idea is that, with the Skasis Paradigm solved, these rules no longer matter, but that again is also the point: the rules wouldn't matter, solely because they're in the hands of Finch and the Doctor--AND THEM ALONE. This would effectively make these two dictators over all existence. So all of existence would end up fitting THEIR ideas, wants, needs and desires, rather than letting us (and several other species out there) forging our own path--with all the "growing pains" that entails.

Does it make a LITTLE bit more sense now, why the Doctor ultimately said no?

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*** To expand on that simple fact. First of all, yes, the original counter of how "pain and suffering are as much a part of living as anything" is easily argued against. Of course, it's only so because we, being the fleshy, "path of least resistance and pain" creatures we are (like every other living being we've made contact with ever) don't quite see things that way overall, and as a species find such an argument to be rather, well...lacking. At least, in our armchairs, away from the sudden realization that we could change the whole of MOTHERFRAKKING CREATION with a mere THOUGHT if we just said "yes" to Finch's offer. That's NOT saying that Finch's offer isn't valid, or at all appealling--it is very MUCH appealing AND its reasoning valid. However, here's the inherent problem. For one, it's a bad guy giving this offer. Now, we have no reason to assume that he's not making that offer genuinely, but this is a top-notch, head-of-invasion-group Krillitane we're talking about. These guys CHOW DOWN on any species they conquer *simply to add evolutionary benefits to themselves,* and that's just when they're at war. Finch himself goddamn snacked on an orphan seemingly out of being slightly peckish. It's never really made clear who gets control of the Skasis Paradigm and how. Nor is it made clear how that power, and thereby the control of it, is distributed. Of course, you can simply say "it makes them GOD, so that doesn't matter", but that only brings up the question in response, "Then what DOES matter?" It's obvious that Finch wants the Doctor to share this power, we get that the moment the WhamLine comes into play--and it's a good idea from a short-sighted, practical standpoint. What isn't so obvious is the simple fact that, like the rest of us, the Doctor is (despite his longevity and experiences) still a relatively mortal and emotional being of sentience. Sarah Jane's speech wasn't so much about the status quo, as it was about the fact that we humans, as a species, have to go through horrible, terrible things to evolve and develop in a good direction. It also doesn't stop the fact that, with a Ten as sudden Big Daddy over all the whole of time, space and creation, who's to say what goes and what does't? The point here wasn't so much that Status Quo is God, but rather that, in order to develop properly, species like our own, and even the Time Lords, have to experience all of the bad sides of creation as a whole as well, so that we know what NOT to do when it really matters. At this point, the only remaining arguement against such an idea is that, with the Skasis Paradigm solved, these rules no longer matter, but that again is also the point: the rules wouldn't matter, solely because they're in the hands of Finch and the Doctor--AND THEM ALONE. This would effectively make these two dictators over all existence. So all of existence would end up fitting THEIR ideas, wants, needs and desires, rather than letting us (and several other species out there) forging our own path--with all the "growing pains" that entails. \n\n Does it make a LITTLE bit more sense now, why the Doctor ultimately said no?








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* Krillitane oil is toxic to Krillitanes because they've evolved so much... Sounds odd, but okay, I can accept that. However, what makes no sense is that dosing Krillitanes with the oil would cause them to ''violently explode'', and with such force that the whole school is partially destroyed. How does a toxic do that?
20th Nov '17 8:34:02 AM john_e
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* If [[spoiler:Ursula]] really is a paving slab and not just Elton's hallucination... how does she talk without any lungs to pump the air?
16th Oct '17 6:13:21 AM zacheus
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** It's possible to read the situation as general incredulity that the planet is orbiting within the black hole's outer accretion disk (as the rocks drifting past the planet in some shots indicate) - this distinction is probably so obvious to everyone in the room that it doesn't need spelling out. It's like saying "We can't be orbiting this star" when you're standing so close to one that you should be vaporised. It's not the orbit per se that's the problem.


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** The Bitter Pill myth says the planet was spat back out at some point in the past. Perhaps it's not the first time the Beast has escaped, and the black hole, while fallible, is simply the best security system they have.
22nd May '17 7:21:07 PM AthenaBlue
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18th Apr '17 8:14:19 AM Sharlee
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*** If she's still got a mind full of Victor Kennedy's knowledge, maybe she'll wind up working for UNIT after Elton leaves the paving stone to them in his will.
5th Apr '17 1:40:28 PM Willbyr
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** ''GalaxyExpress999'' got around this obvious objection by having it take many decades for the horror to set in in earnest, and it usually took the form of some sort of ever-deepening neurosis rather than screaming and flailing around. I wonder if the writers had something like this in the back of their minds but resorted to something more dramatic but less believable due to story constraints (or perhaps presuming that ViewersAreMorons.)

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** ''GalaxyExpress999'' ''Manga/GalaxyExpress999'' got around this obvious objection by having it take many decades for the horror to set in in earnest, and it usually took the form of some sort of ever-deepening neurosis rather than screaming and flailing around. I wonder if the writers had something like this in the back of their minds but resorted to something more dramatic but less believable due to story constraints (or perhaps presuming that ViewersAreMorons.)
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