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** I'd say chalk it up to being something they added in ''after'' the pilot got passed, since that particular rule didn't get mentioned until a few episodes later.
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** I think Pet Reapers are children who died and became reapers. Doing a normal reaper's job would be too traumatic, so they reap pets instead.
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** I think that there was something uniquely wrong with the Ray-Graveling. I don't think Gravelings were ever human, and that this is a case of CameBackWrong.
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*** Netflix's subtitles say it was "Kid Mason." Just throwing it out there.
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* If you're soulpopped after you die, you retain your injuries. So why does the piano lady in the pilot not come out looking all broken and smashed?
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** He does, but it's the same as [[PushingDaisies Ned]]'s.
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** He does, but it's the same as [[PushingDaisies Ned]]'s. Ned]]'s.
** "Mason" is his last name. In the episode where he challenges Ray to a boxing match, he tries to psych himself up by "announcing" himself under his breath as "Ken Mason." So, Kenneth Mason it is.
** "Mason" is his last name. In the episode where he challenges Ray to a boxing match, he tries to psych himself up by "announcing" himself under his breath as "Ken Mason." So, Kenneth Mason it is.
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*** "Counter" was a poor choice of words on the part of the previous troper. What s/he intended to say is that if gravelings are specialized, Reapers are in the same way and probably because of it.
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** This troper's initial theory was that gravelings were demoted reapers. Screw up enough times and you lose your reaper stripes. If they're already screw-ups or they don't follow orders or whatever, and ''then'' you turn them into ugly little gremlins, they're gonna be pretty pissed off. Of course, you'd still have to keep them doing their jobs, so maybe they'd have to threaten them with a further demontion cleaning toilets in hell or something. Obviously Ray doesn't fit into that theory, unless he was [[TwilightZoneTwist secretly a reaper...?]]
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** This troper's initial theory was that gravelings were demoted reapers. Screw up enough times and you lose your reaper stripes. If they're already screw-ups or they don't follow orders or whatever, and ''then'' you turn them into ugly little gremlins, they're gonna be pretty pissed off. Of course, you'd still have to keep them doing their jobs, so maybe they'd have to threaten them with a further demontion demotion cleaning toilets in hell or something. Obviously Ray doesn't fit into that theory, unless he was [[TwilightZoneTwist secretly a reaper...?]]
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** This troper's initial theory was that gravelings were demoted reapers. Screw up enough times and you lose your reaper stripes. If they're already screw-ups or they don't follow orders or whatever, and ''then'' you turn them into ugly little gremlins, they're gonna be pretty pissed off. Of course, you'd still have to keep them doing their jobs, so maybe they'd have to threaten them with a further demontion cleaning toilets in hell or something. Obviously Ray doesn't fit into that theory, unless he was [[TwilightZoneTwist secretly a reaper...?]]
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** Maybe he was [[NewMeat the new guy]].
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*** I think this is exactly what happens. When "The Kid" asks Daisy if he's dead, she says "No, but you're down for the count." Since she popped his soul, the killing blow forced his soul out of his body, even though his body may not have been fully dead (although there would probably be no higher brain function).
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** He does, but it's the same as [[PushingDaisies Ned]]'s.
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*** This. Don't forget that the CelestialBureaucracy (and, by extension, Rube) knows about all the scheduled deaths in advance, so if there would ever come such a day during which no "External Influences" deaths would happen (either by coincidence or [[EpilepticTrees direct influence]]), it would only make sense that the Reapers would get a day off.
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* [[OnlyOneName Does Mason have a last name?]] Actually, is "Mason" his first or his last name? I can't help thinking that he's probably [[CloudCuckooLander forgot the other one]].
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** Mason's been in the reaper business longer than she has, he ''should'' be able to do this stuff by himself by now, even if he ''can't'', he ''should''. Plus, she's pissed off at him and has a gun.
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** Best to keep in mind that George is still a teenage grumpy dead JerkAss who's only recently started taken steps into niceness.
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** If they were trying to "counter" it, why wouldn't they be stopping deaths?
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** Consider how the Ray Graveling came to be. If Gravelings are the transformed souls of people killed by Grim Reapers, it seems reasonable they'd hold a grudge. They might have a job to do, but that doesn't mean they have to like their co-workers for having put them into that position. Also possible they weren't very nice people even when they were alive.
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**** As well as the guy who [[strike:jumped]] slipped off the roof of the speed-dating place. And what about that poor mistress who got murdered? Accidents may be the most common, but there's been no shortage of murders and suicides. And it's explicitly stated that the Club takes care of those. So unless Gravelings do just have to be around when someone dies, my point stands. (The coincidence thing makes no sense. People are shown to be surviving fatal accidents on the Gravelings' day off. Not to mention that, again, those accidents still should've been fatal even if the Gravelings didn't cause them.)
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** The Gravelings are just douchebags. It's that simple. They probably would still kill people even if it wasn't their job.
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** I kind of saw it this way. The soul being "popped" doesn't take into effect until the person actually dies. So the soul leaves once the person dies, but it can't leave without getting popped.
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***don't forget the gay couple in Season 1 also.
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The living sometimes recognize the undead - why?
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** It seems like (possibly in discontinuity from the pilot) you won't ''find'' a Graveling by looking for it, but once you've spotted them, you can watch them normally.
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** Or because she was close to death; Rube's daughter Rosie seemed to recognize him in her final moments.
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* Why does removing the soul actually mean? The person is still concious after they do it, and their ghost selves only appear after they've died. So what is a "Soul" in the DLM Universe?
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*** To Mason, Mason looks like himself. It can be difficult to remember that you don't look like you. To me it would only be a problem if Mason actually GOT the modeling job.
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* Why do the Gravelings look so malevolent, and why are they shown as being antagonistic to the Reapers? Aren't they all on the same team? Don't they serve a vital function? I know, I know, books and covers and all that, but unless anvils are being dropped, demonic appearance is almost always shorthand for "evil," at least as far as TV is concerned.
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*** The first episode explicitly states that murders and suicides fall under "external influence." And we do see a couple of murders (Mason with the two crackheads in tow in the pilot; George's rockstar reap in Season 2), and though we're never actually shown a suicide (James the speed dater comes close), the Reapers have discussed them from time to time.
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**There are no murders or suicides reaped in the series, the closest was the accidental overdose of the old rocker that Mason was a fan of. I think murders/suicides are a separate department because they are not accidental.
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**** My interpretation was that, yes, trying to share a memory with a surviving friend or relative meant you lost the memory. The more you try, the more you lose. Cruel, but effective.
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** Gravelings arrange the accidents ("drop the pianos"), sure. But humans can kill one another (or themselves) just fine without their help. But if there's a day where, by pure coincidence, nobody is murdered, commits suicide, or dies in an accident--in the Seattle area, at least, then by definition the Gravelings, like the Reapers, will have the day off.
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** Same here. She was just trying to derail the exercise with a technicality (real or imagined).
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* Roxy not helping Mason at the rock concert. She's going to let someone be killed violently, autopsied and buried with their soul still in them just because she's pissed at Mason? Sure, the chick turned out to be a murderer, but Roxy didn't know that!
