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** It didn't. That's something he fashioned on his own. The real question is - how the hell did he manage to pull that off, given he's barely able to stand from hunger and the zombies are flocked around his store.
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*Why did Andy's gunshop feature an armored doggy door?
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** Could be from insect bites. The Black Plague was spread by fleas so this disease might have spread similarly by something common as a carrier. Something that could find its way to people with ease and/or by accident.
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* So, since people don't revive if they die for any reason in this version, and they removed the plot point about the infection being passed through blood, that made me realize something vital that never gets brought up: if you can only become a zombie if you're bitten, [[FridgeLogic then how did the zombie apocalypse even start in the first place?]] Who was bitten first? Because someone had to have been bitten from the start in order for more zombies to be created through biting?
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* Nicole catches a lot of crap for her actions with the truck because she's the easiest target to blame when things go wrong, but in truth everyone is to blame for how far south things went. None of the mall survivors ever show any concern for Andy, they just ignorantly assume that he's as well stocked on food and water as they are, when there's no way that can be the case. They never ask him how he's holding up, if he needs anything, etc. they just play Zombie Celebrity Squares with him. Had they asked, they would've known early on that he's low on everything ''but'' ammo. They could've looked for ways to try and get him supplies to tide him over. It's a freaking mall they're in, they don't have a toy store with RC cars that could be used to try and ferry a couple of sandwiches over? They couldn't make use of Norma's truck to drive over to Andy's, block the front door, drop off a backpack full of foods loaded with carbohydrates for him to grab, and then drive the truck back to the mall's fire escape ladder?
** The gunshop was quite a distance from the mall; probably out of range for RC cars. As for the truck, it was probably deemed too risky. Sure, Nicole did it, but she came close to dying and then the rest of the group had to go save her.
** It was shown when the truck first arrived that Nicole was ''very'' lucky to get to the gun store unscathed, when the truck arrived the zombies could and did catch up to the truck and climbed onto it with only getting shot off helping to make sure the zombies didn't bite the driver.
** This is the one thing that puzzled me, why didn't they try and get to Andy back when the truck first got there, when the zombie count was still kind of low? It would've solved a lot of later problems if they took the truck loaded it up as much as they could with Andy and as much of his Guns' n' Ammo as they could take. All it would take is one person driving, it would have a decent chance of working, and they would have guns, then the whole climax wouldn't have happened. But in hindsight, "of The Dead" films tend to work with the theme that the human element always does things really stupidly. Take Luda's sad fate, if anyone had noted that Andre was acting weird and the fact that they had seen hide nor hair of Luda since she was moved into the baby shop, they wouldn't have been able to stop her and the kid's eventual zombification but they would have been able to at least deal with Andre's SanitySlippage.
** It should be said that while the OP says the mall survivors never think to ask Andy if he needs supplies, you could just as easily say it's on ''him'' for not telling them before he actually did state he was hungry.
** What many people miss is the fact that we are never ''shown'' conversations with Andy, but that doesn't mean there weren't any. Andy writing "Hungry" doesn't mean they just learned he never had food. It means they learn he run out of his stock recently. They might be aware he's low on food and simply trying to work things out before it becomes an issue. So Andy giving them "Hungry" message might be just as well read as "Please hurry up with your escape plan, because I have nothing left to eat" rather than "We never talked about it, but I am out of supplies, so help". Them using Chips might be their first attempt to solve the issue or the hundredth.
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* Nicole catches a lot of crap for her actions with the truck because she's the easiest target to blame when things go wrong, but in truth everyone is to blame for how far south things went. None of the mall survivors ever show any concern for Andy, they just ignorantly assume that he's as well stocked on food and water as they are, when there's no way that can be the case. They never ask him how he's holding up, if he needs anything, etc. they just play Zombie Celebrity Squares with him. Had they asked, they would've known early on that he's low on everything ''but'' ammo. They could've looked for ways to try and get him supplies to tide him over. It's a freaking mall they're in, they don't have a toy store with RC cars that could be used to try and ferry a couple of sandwiches over? They couldn't make use of Norma's truck to drive over to Andy's, block the front door, drop off a backpack full of foods loaded with carbohydrates for him to grab, and then drive the truck back to the mall's fire escape ladder?
** The gunshop was quite a distance from the mall; probably out of range for RC cars. As for the truck, it was probably deemed too risky. Sure, Nicole did it, but she came close to dying and then the rest of the group had to go save her.
** It was shown when the truck first arrived that Nicole was ''very'' lucky to get to the gun store unscathed, when the truck arrived the zombies could and did catch up to the truck and climbed onto it with only getting shot off helping to make sure the zombies didn't bite the driver.
** This is the one thing that puzzled me, why didn't they try and get to Andy back when the truck first got there, when the zombie count was still kind of low? It would've solved a lot of later problems if they took the truck loaded it up as much as they could with Andy and as much of his Guns' n' Ammo as they could take. All it would take is one person driving, it would have a decent chance of working, and they would have guns, then the whole climax wouldn't have happened. But in hindsight, "of The Dead" films tend to work with the theme that the human element always does things really stupidly. Take Luda's sad fate, if anyone had noted that Andre was acting weird and the fact that they had seen hide nor hair of Luda since she was moved into the baby shop, they wouldn't have been able to stop her and the kid's eventual zombification but they would have been able to at least deal with Andre's SanitySlippage.
** It should be said that while the OP says the mall survivors never think to ask Andy if he needs supplies, you could just as easily say it's on ''him'' for not telling them before he actually did state he was hungry.
** What many people miss is the fact that we are never ''shown'' conversations with Andy, but that doesn't mean there weren't any. Andy writing "Hungry" doesn't mean they just learned he never had food. It means they learn he run out of his stock recently. They might be aware he's low on food and simply trying to work things out before it becomes an issue. So Andy giving them "Hungry" message might be just as well read as "Please hurry up with your escape plan, because I have nothing left to eat" rather than "We never talked about it, but I am out of supplies, so help". Them using Chips might be their first attempt to solve the issue or the hundredth.
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* Nicole catches a lot of crap for her actions with the truck because she's the easiest target to blame when things go wrong, but in truth everyone is to blame for how far south things went. None of the mall survivors ever show any concern for Andy, they just ignorantly assume that he's as well stocked on food and water as they are, when there's no way that can be the case. They never ask him how he's holding up, if he needs anything, etc. they just play Zombie Celebrity Squares with him. Had they asked, they would've known early on that he's low on everything ''but'' ammo. They could've looked for ways to try and get him supplies to tide him over. It's a freaking mall they're in, they don't have a toy store with RC cars that could be used to try and ferry a couple of sandwiches over? They couldn't make use of Norma's truck to drive over to Andy's, block the front door, drop off a backpack full of foods loaded with carbohydrates for him to grab, and then drive the truck back to the mall's fire escape ladder?
** The gunshop was quite a distance from the mall; probably out of range for RC cars. As for the truck, it was probably deemed too risky. Sure, Nicole did it, but she came close to dying and then the rest of the group had to go save her.
** It was shown when the truck first arrived that Nicole was ''very'' lucky to get to the gun store unscathed, when the truck arrived the zombies could and did catch up to the truck and climbed onto it with only getting shot off helping to make sure the zombies didn't bite the driver.
** This is the one thing that puzzled me, why didn't they try and get to Andy back when the truck first got there, when the zombie count was still kind of low? It would've solved a lot of later problems if they took the truck loaded it up as much as they could with Andy and as much of his Guns' n' Ammo as they could take. All it would take is one person driving, it would have a decent chance of working, and they would have guns, then the whole climax wouldn't have happened. But in hindsight, "of The Dead" films tend to work with the theme that the human element always does things really stupidly. Take Luda's sad fate, if anyone had noted that Andre was acting weird and the fact that they had seen hide nor hair of Luda since she was moved into the baby shop, they wouldn't have been able to stop her and the kid's eventual zombification but they would have been able to at least deal with Andre's SanitySlippage.
** It should be said that while the OP says the mall survivors never think to ask Andy if he needs supplies, you could just as easily say it's on ''him'' for not telling them before he actually did state he was hungry.
** What many people miss is the fact that we are never ''shown'' conversations with Andy, but that doesn't mean there weren't any. Andy writing "Hungry" doesn't mean they just learned he never had food. It means they learn he run out of his stock recently. They might be aware he's low on food and simply trying to work things out before it becomes an issue. So Andy giving them "Hungry" message might be just as well read as "Please hurry up with your escape plan, because I have nothing left to eat" rather than "We never talked about it, but I am out of supplies, so help". Them using Chips might be their first attempt to solve the issue or the hundredth.
** The gunshop was quite a distance from the mall; probably out of range for RC cars. As for the truck, it was probably deemed too risky. Sure, Nicole did it, but she came close to dying and then the rest of the group had to go save her.
** It was shown when the truck first arrived that Nicole was ''very'' lucky to get to the gun store unscathed, when the truck arrived the zombies could and did catch up to the truck and climbed onto it with only getting shot off helping to make sure the zombies didn't bite the driver.
** This is the one thing that puzzled me, why didn't they try and get to Andy back when the truck first got there, when the zombie count was still kind of low? It would've solved a lot of later problems if they took the truck loaded it up as much as they could with Andy and as much of his Guns' n' Ammo as they could take. All it would take is one person driving, it would have a decent chance of working, and they would have guns, then the whole climax wouldn't have happened. But in hindsight, "of The Dead" films tend to work with the theme that the human element always does things really stupidly. Take Luda's sad fate, if anyone had noted that Andre was acting weird and the fact that they had seen hide nor hair of Luda since she was moved into the baby shop, they wouldn't have been able to stop her and the kid's eventual zombification but they would have been able to at least deal with Andre's SanitySlippage.
** It should be said that while the OP says the mall survivors never think to ask Andy if he needs supplies, you could just as easily say it's on ''him'' for not telling them before he actually did state he was hungry.
** What many people miss is the fact that we are never ''shown'' conversations with Andy, but that doesn't mean there weren't any. Andy writing "Hungry" doesn't mean they just learned he never had food. It means they learn he run out of his stock recently. They might be aware he's low on food and simply trying to work things out before it becomes an issue. So Andy giving them "Hungry" message might be just as well read as "Please hurry up with your escape plan, because I have nothing left to eat" rather than "We never talked about it, but I am out of supplies, so help". Them using Chips might be their first attempt to solve the issue or the hundredth.
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** How is him spitting out biases and baseless assumptions about the situation any different from [[RealityisUnrealistic what they do in real life?]]
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** It's NOT safe. Post credits scene shows them landing on the island and zombies running towards them.
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* Does anybody else have a problem with the televangelist? I mean, there are zombies running around and he starts spouting biases and baseless assumptions about the situation. And the worst part is, [[TooDumbToLive he doesn't even look like he's in a bunker or a refugee camp, or even a shelter]].
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**** Also, as explained by Peter in the original, having the trucks in place of blocking the doors, it doesn’t give the dead any leverage to be able to break through if they tried banging on it.
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** Because he is a coward and he only has his own self-interest in mind. No other reason than that.
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** Perhaps another cop/other surivor wrenched the sidearm off Kenneth's belt but then zombies overwhelmed them, and Kenneth went for a long enough period of time without a handgun that he decided he just didn't need one, or would get one later. So he took the holster off so there would be less things on his person for a zombie to grab onto.
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** Perhaps another cop/other surivor survivor wrenched the sidearm off Kenneth's belt but then zombies overwhelmed them, and Kenneth went for a long enough period of time without a handgun that he decided he just didn't need one, or would get one later. So he took the holster off so there would be less things on his person for a zombie to grab onto.
** Police are taught to aim for the torso, not the head, which works fine against criminals but does jack-squat to stop a zombie. Possibly Kenneth gave his sidearm to another survivor when he realized that his muscle memory for use of handguns was working against him.
** Police are taught to aim for the torso, not the head, which works fine against criminals but does jack-squat to stop a zombie. Possibly Kenneth gave his sidearm to another survivor when he realized that his muscle memory for use of handguns was working against him.
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* Oh, and about that island? Apparently it's in Lake Michigan. Guess what's on the coast of Lake Michigan? ''Chicago''. Yeah, that little island is going to be totally safe and secluded when 2.8 million people are desperately trying to escape the zombie plague on every sea-worthy vessel they can get their hands on.
** More like ''ten'' million in the greater Chicago area.
** Like above, they're clearly not the brightest bunch when it came to thinking the whole situation out.
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** More like ''ten'' million in the greater Chicago area.
** Like above, they're clearly not the brightest bunch when it came to thinking the whole situation out.
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* Oh, and about that island? Apparently it's in Lake Michigan. Guess what's on the coast of Lake Michigan? ''Chicago''. Yeah, that little island is going to be totally safe and secluded when 2.8 million people are desperately trying to escape the zombie plague on every sea-worthy vessel they can get their hands on.
** More like ''ten'' million in the greater Chicago area.
** Like above, they're clearly not the brightest bunch when it came to thinking the whole situation out.
* Oh, and about that island? Apparently it's in Lake Michigan. Guess what's on the coast of Lake Michigan? ''Chicago''. Yeah, that little island is going to be totally safe and secluded when 2.8 million people are desperately trying to escape the zombie plague on every sea-worthy vessel they can get their hands on.
** More like ''ten'' million in the greater Chicago area.
** Like above, they're clearly not the brightest bunch when it came to thinking the whole situation out.
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** This is the one thing that puzzled me, why didn't they try and get to Andy back when the truck first got there, when the zombie count was still kind of low? It would've solved a lot of later problems if they took the truck loaded it up as much as they could with Andy and as much of his Guns' n' Ammo as they could take. All it would take is one person driving, it would have a decent chance of working, and they would have guns, then the whole climax wouldn't have happened. But in hindsight, "of The Dead" films tend to work with the theme that the human element always does things really stupidly. Take Ludas sad fate, if anyone had noted that Andre was acting weird and the fact that they had seen hide nor hair of Luda since she was moved into the baby shop, they wouldn't have been able to stop her and the kid's eventual zombification but they would have been able to at least deal with Andres SanitySlippage.
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** This is the one thing that puzzled me, why didn't they try and get to Andy back when the truck first got there, when the zombie count was still kind of low? It would've solved a lot of later problems if they took the truck loaded it up as much as they could with Andy and as much of his Guns' n' Ammo as they could take. All it would take is one person driving, it would have a decent chance of working, and they would have guns, then the whole climax wouldn't have happened. But in hindsight, "of The Dead" films tend to work with the theme that the human element always does things really stupidly. Take Ludas Luda's sad fate, if anyone had noted that Andre was acting weird and the fact that they had seen hide nor hair of Luda since she was moved into the baby shop, they wouldn't have been able to stop her and the kid's eventual zombification but they would have been able to at least deal with Andres Andre's SanitySlippage.
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** As pointed out in the main article, Steve is the only person in the crew that knows how to sail. It's the boat version of AlwaysKnowAPilot. And both Steve and the rest of the group are fully aware of this, which is why he keeps acting like a jerk: they ''can't'' leave him, because they really damn need him.
* Was Steve just a truly dumb jerk, or did he actively and deliberately tried to get majority of the group killed? He might be an asshole, but he's not a complete idiot, quite the contrary. Him getting rid of majority of the group by not being at those doors and simply waiting things out means he's left with Ana, Monica and Glen. That's far less mouths to feed and much easier to control, especially since he's sleeping with Monica anyway. He is the one that has a yacht, so he's more than aware how the Lake Michigan looks like and what are the islands on it. Him going for a coffee would even fly with other characters, who would get mad, but it would be still perfectly within his asshole tendencies so far.
* Was Steve just a truly dumb jerk, or did he actively and deliberately tried to get majority of the group killed? He might be an asshole, but he's not a complete idiot, quite the contrary. Him getting rid of majority of the group by not being at those doors and simply waiting things out means he's left with Ana, Monica and Glen. That's far less mouths to feed and much easier to control, especially since he's sleeping with Monica anyway. He is the one that has a yacht, so he's more than aware how the Lake Michigan looks like and what are the islands on it. Him going for a coffee would even fly with other characters, who would get mad, but it would be still perfectly within his asshole tendencies so far.
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** I feel it was more a snap decision, borne of losing 3(4 if you count the baby) people in one go, they probably knew the bus thing wouldn't pan out, but they needed something to keep their minds busy, they had probably more death in their lives than anyone, except Ana and Kenneth, have dealt with in their lives, within days, think about it this way, a relative or friend dies, how is your thinking working for the next few days, probably not at 100%.
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** The gunshop was quite a distance from the mall; probably out of range for RC cars. As for the truck, it was probably deemed to risky. Sure, Nicole did it, but she came close to dying and then the rest of the group had to go save her.
** It was shown when the truck first arrived that Nicole was ''very'' lucky to get to the gun store unscathed, when the truck arrived the Zombies could and did catch up to the truck and climbed onto it with only getting shot off making sure the Zombies didn't bite the driver.
** This is the one thing that puzzled me, why didn't they try and get to Andy back when the truck first got there, when the Zombie count was still kind of low? It would of solved alot of later problems if they took the truck loaded it up as much as they could with Andy and as much of his Guns' n' Ammo as they could take, All it would take is 1 person driving, it would have a decent chance of working, and they would have guns, then the whole climax wouldn't have happened, but in hindsight, "of The Dead" films tend to work with the theme that the human element always does things really stupidly, take Ludas sad fate, if anyone had noted that Andre was acting weird and the fact that they had seen hide nor hair of Luda since she was moved into the baby shop, They wouldn't of been able to stop her and the kids eventual zombification but they would of been able to at least deal with Andres SanitySlippage.
** It was shown when the truck first arrived that Nicole was ''very'' lucky to get to the gun store unscathed, when the truck arrived the Zombies could and did catch up to the truck and climbed onto it with only getting shot off making sure the Zombies didn't bite the driver.
** This is the one thing that puzzled me, why didn't they try and get to Andy back when the truck first got there, when the Zombie count was still kind of low? It would of solved alot of later problems if they took the truck loaded it up as much as they could with Andy and as much of his Guns' n' Ammo as they could take, All it would take is 1 person driving, it would have a decent chance of working, and they would have guns, then the whole climax wouldn't have happened, but in hindsight, "of The Dead" films tend to work with the theme that the human element always does things really stupidly, take Ludas sad fate, if anyone had noted that Andre was acting weird and the fact that they had seen hide nor hair of Luda since she was moved into the baby shop, They wouldn't of been able to stop her and the kids eventual zombification but they would of been able to at least deal with Andres SanitySlippage.
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** The gunshop was quite a distance from the mall; probably out of range for RC cars. As for the truck, it was probably deemed to too risky. Sure, Nicole did it, but she came close to dying and then the rest of the group had to go save her.
** It was shown when the truck first arrived that Nicole was ''very'' lucky to get to the gun store unscathed, when the truck arrived theZombies zombies could and did catch up to the truck and climbed onto it with only getting shot off making helping to make sure the Zombies zombies didn't bite the driver.
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** It was shown when the truck first arrived that Nicole was ''very'' lucky to get to the gun store unscathed, when the truck arrived the
** This is the one thing that puzzled me, why didn't they try and get to Andy back when the truck first got there, when the
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* Why did nobody punch out Steve and take his damn keys? They already seemed to know which boat was his, so it's not an issue of he hadn't told anyone which was his, would of would've saved a massive headache latter and prevented Micheal being bit.
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