History Headscratchers / DGrayman

11th Aug '16 11:17:48 AM Skylentt
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

*** I believe that betraying God is not to go against the Order but to go against the innocence: Endangering it or abandoning it. As we saw , Apocryphos didn't hesitate to attack members of the Order and exorcists. The Innocence didn't judge Suman because he sold his comrades, it judged him because he sold their innocences.


Added DiffLines:

** She used to be assistant branch chief before being replaced by Bridget Fay.


Added DiffLines:

** Remember when the level 4 was chasing Komui. He hinted that not all lives may have the same value. Plus, the innocence was discovered a century ago but we don't know when the Earl came back after his defeat against the Heart wielder. He may have been creating akumas for 4 last millennia.


Added DiffLines:

*** Only high ranked members are fervant catholics. The average members of thebBlack Order and exorcists are people who joined to fight the Earl or were forced to. Plus the fact that the great flood is common knowledge in the Order let no choice but to face the existence of God whatever the specific denomination of Christiannity we share. By the way Lavi and Bookman are notchinese.
14th Jul '16 1:05:35 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** Because ChristianityIsCatholic? Anyway, in D.Gray-man's universe the biblical mythology is apparently the "real" one, so you're more or less forced to believe in it once you discover Innocence, Akuma and all that stuff. Then again, one can indeed wonder why the pure and benevolent Innocence would chose people that are definitely not the incarnation of Catholic pureness like Cross, or even utter psychopaths like Sokalo... also, even though the Order is tied to the Vatican, the mythology invoked is nearly exclusively that of the Old Testament. We see Christian crosses and even crucifix (Tiedoll's Innocence for example) but Jesus Christ or the New Testament are never mentionned. I would say all that mess is a mix of ignorance and [[TheyJustDidntCare She Just Didn't Care.]]

to:

** Because ChristianityIsCatholic? Anyway, in D.Gray-man's universe the biblical mythology is apparently the "real" one, so you're more or less forced to believe in it once you discover Innocence, Akuma and all that stuff. Then again, one can indeed wonder why the pure and benevolent Innocence would chose people that are definitely not the incarnation of Catholic pureness like Cross, or even utter psychopaths like Sokalo... also, even though the Order is tied to the Vatican, the mythology invoked is nearly exclusively that of the Old Testament. We see Christian crosses and even crucifix (Tiedoll's Innocence for example) but Jesus Christ or the New Testament are never mentionned. I would say all that mess is a mix of ignorance and [[TheyJustDidntCare She Just Didn't Care.]]
1st Feb '16 4:08:27 PM SilverFang
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Why has Cross not become a fallen one yet. Suman was instant. But we have Cross, who been allied with a Noah for over 35 years. Lvellie, who hates God and the Order is interested in helping the 14th. And Cross has also stated he hates the Order. So, he and the inspector both seem to be alike in that department. And the 14th supposedly going to kill Allen's loved ones, as stated by Cross (Exorcists, perhaps?) So, with Cross helping this guy, how is he not consumed by his innocence? Apocryphos shows up personally to attempt to kill him, then we see Judgement has forsaken him. Did Apo brainwash Judgement? Or was the agreement that Cross made with the Inspector have something to do with it? Hoshino stated in an older interview that Cross unwillingly got involved with Neah. Maybe the fact he didn't want to help saved him? In recent chapters, we find he had a pact with The Inspector to have Link be Neah's new ally. Perhaps Cross was planning to abandon Neah, but left him with a replacement?

to:

* Why has Cross not become a fallen one yet. Suman was instant. But we have Cross, who been allied with a Noah for over 35 years. Lvellie, who hates God and the Order is interested in helping the 14th. And Cross has also stated he hates the Order. So, he and the inspector both seem to be alike in that department. And [[spoiler:And the 14th supposedly going to kill Allen's loved ones, as stated by Cross (Exorcists, perhaps?) So, with Cross helping this guy, how is he not consumed by his innocence? Apocryphos shows up personally to attempt to kill him, then we see Judgement has forsaken him. Did Apo brainwash Judgement? Or was the agreement that Cross made with the Inspector have something to do with it? Hoshino stated in an older interview that Cross unwillingly got involved with Neah. Maybe the fact he didn't want to help saved him? In recent chapters, we find he had a pact with The Inspector to have Link be Neah's new ally. Perhaps Cross was planning to abandon Neah, but left him with a replacement?replacement?]]
1st Feb '16 4:07:29 PM SilverFang
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Why has Cross not become a fallen one yet. Suman was instant. But we have Cross, who been allied with a Noah for over 35 years. Lvellie, who hates God is interested in helping the 14th. And is supposedly going to kill Allen's loved ones (Exorcists, perhaps?) So, with cross helping this guy, how is he not consumed by his innocence? Apocryphos shows up personally to attempt to kill him, then we see Judgement has forsaken him. Did Apo brainwash judgement? Or was the aggreement that cross made with the Inspector have something to do with it?

to:

* Why has Cross not become a fallen one yet. Suman was instant. But we have Cross, who been allied with a Noah for over 35 years. Lvellie, who hates God and the Order is interested in helping the 14th. And is Cross has also stated he hates the Order. So, he and the inspector both seem to be alike in that department. And the 14th supposedly going to kill Allen's loved ones ones, as stated by Cross (Exorcists, perhaps?) So, with cross Cross helping this guy, how is he not consumed by his innocence? Apocryphos shows up personally to attempt to kill him, then we see Judgement has forsaken him. Did Apo brainwash judgement? Judgement? Or was the aggreement agreement that cross Cross made with the Inspector have something to do with it?it? Hoshino stated in an older interview that Cross unwillingly got involved with Neah. Maybe the fact he didn't want to help saved him? In recent chapters, we find he had a pact with The Inspector to have Link be Neah's new ally. Perhaps Cross was planning to abandon Neah, but left him with a replacement?
1st Feb '16 4:02:03 PM SilverFang
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

* Why has Cross not become a fallen one yet. Suman was instant. But we have Cross, who been allied with a Noah for over 35 years. Lvellie, who hates God is interested in helping the 14th. And is supposedly going to kill Allen's loved ones (Exorcists, perhaps?) So, with cross helping this guy, how is he not consumed by his innocence? Apocryphos shows up personally to attempt to kill him, then we see Judgement has forsaken him. Did Apo brainwash judgement? Or was the aggreement that cross made with the Inspector have something to do with it?
28th Mar '15 11:22:36 AM Picard578
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

*** It is actually more or less spelled out that Innocence turns one into a Fallen One for betraying God, that is for not opposing the Noah. [[spoiler: Suman betrayed his comrades for sake of his own life, and so became a Fallen One. Kanda abandoned the Order, and the war, for personal reasons (searching for Allen), and for this reason came close to becoming a Fallen One. Allen abandoned the Order, but still fully intends to do everything he can against the Earl and the Akuma - and his Innocence, far from trying to turn him into a Fallen One, actually helped him when he was injured.]]
6th Aug '14 9:29:20 AM yecasux10
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** Neah notes Allen looks younger then when he last saw him. Apparently Allen is older than he looks.
5th Aug '14 9:37:53 AM jz1337
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

* After the whole episode about why exorcists wear the coats with the black order insignia, does it ever state why Lenalee doesn't seem to ever wear one?
5th Apr '14 9:28:45 PM jackknife
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

***My interpretation of the whole falling business was that the Innocence doesn't fight against its Accommodater for going against the Black Order, but when the Accomodater goes against their own beliefs. So [[spoiler: Suman]] didn't fall because [[spoiler: he betrayed the order, but because he knew betraying the other Exorcists was wrong.]] Of course, I could be wrong and falling could be something directly controlled by the order, who knows.
2nd Oct '13 8:35:10 PM poodletartar
Is there an issue? Send a Message


*** To our dismay...
This list shows the last 10 events of 29. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Headscratchers.DGrayman