History Headscratchers / DGrayman

28th Sep '17 11:49:53 AM aruru
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** Because Innocence has no reason to care about who is paying the bills, and neither do the members. The Vatican is supporting the Order just because it's convenient to them, the Innocence meanwhile cares about who has the compatibility with the particular fragment and their will to fight the Earl. Really, why should the Innocence care? It's an over-7000-years-old substance which purpose is defeating a being that menaces the whole world, not only the Christian Creed. And think in Anita and her bunch: they were collaborating not out of faith, but out of desire for no more people to die like their dear ones did. There are way more non-catholic people in the world than catholic, so obviously there are more non-catholic workers than otherwise in the Order. It's a matter of self-interest: nobody wants to die just because the Vatican is paying the bills instead of the Orthodox Church.
10th Dec '16 10:52:19 AM Skylentt
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** Remember when the level 4 was chasing Komui. He hinted that not all lives may have the same value. Plus, the innocence was discovered a century ago but we don't know when the Earl came back after his defeat against the Heart wielder. He may have been creating akumas for 4 last millennia.

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** Remember when the level 4 was chasing Komui. He hinted that not all lives may have the same value. Plus, the innocence was discovered a century ago but we don't know when the Earl came back after his defeat against the Heart wielder. He may have earl has actually been creating akumas around for 4 the last millennia.seven millennia (confirmed with the last chapters).
11th Aug '16 11:17:48 AM Skylentt
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*** I believe that betraying God is not to go against the Order but to go against the innocence: Endangering it or abandoning it. As we saw , Apocryphos didn't hesitate to attack members of the Order and exorcists. The Innocence didn't judge Suman because he sold his comrades, it judged him because he sold their innocences.


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** She used to be assistant branch chief before being replaced by Bridget Fay.


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** Remember when the level 4 was chasing Komui. He hinted that not all lives may have the same value. Plus, the innocence was discovered a century ago but we don't know when the Earl came back after his defeat against the Heart wielder. He may have been creating akumas for 4 last millennia.


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*** Only high ranked members are fervant catholics. The average members of thebBlack Order and exorcists are people who joined to fight the Earl or were forced to. Plus the fact that the great flood is common knowledge in the Order let no choice but to face the existence of God whatever the specific denomination of Christiannity we share. By the way Lavi and Bookman are notchinese.
14th Jul '16 1:05:35 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Because ChristianityIsCatholic? Anyway, in D.Gray-man's universe the biblical mythology is apparently the "real" one, so you're more or less forced to believe in it once you discover Innocence, Akuma and all that stuff. Then again, one can indeed wonder why the pure and benevolent Innocence would chose people that are definitely not the incarnation of Catholic pureness like Cross, or even utter psychopaths like Sokalo... also, even though the Order is tied to the Vatican, the mythology invoked is nearly exclusively that of the Old Testament. We see Christian crosses and even crucifix (Tiedoll's Innocence for example) but Jesus Christ or the New Testament are never mentionned. I would say all that mess is a mix of ignorance and [[TheyJustDidntCare She Just Didn't Care.]]

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** Because ChristianityIsCatholic? Anyway, in D.Gray-man's universe the biblical mythology is apparently the "real" one, so you're more or less forced to believe in it once you discover Innocence, Akuma and all that stuff. Then again, one can indeed wonder why the pure and benevolent Innocence would chose people that are definitely not the incarnation of Catholic pureness like Cross, or even utter psychopaths like Sokalo... also, even though the Order is tied to the Vatican, the mythology invoked is nearly exclusively that of the Old Testament. We see Christian crosses and even crucifix (Tiedoll's Innocence for example) but Jesus Christ or the New Testament are never mentionned. I would say all that mess is a mix of ignorance and [[TheyJustDidntCare She Just Didn't Care.]]
1st Feb '16 4:08:27 PM SilverFang
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* Why has Cross not become a fallen one yet. Suman was instant. But we have Cross, who been allied with a Noah for over 35 years. Lvellie, who hates God and the Order is interested in helping the 14th. And Cross has also stated he hates the Order. So, he and the inspector both seem to be alike in that department. And the 14th supposedly going to kill Allen's loved ones, as stated by Cross (Exorcists, perhaps?) So, with Cross helping this guy, how is he not consumed by his innocence? Apocryphos shows up personally to attempt to kill him, then we see Judgement has forsaken him. Did Apo brainwash Judgement? Or was the agreement that Cross made with the Inspector have something to do with it? Hoshino stated in an older interview that Cross unwillingly got involved with Neah. Maybe the fact he didn't want to help saved him? In recent chapters, we find he had a pact with The Inspector to have Link be Neah's new ally. Perhaps Cross was planning to abandon Neah, but left him with a replacement?

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* Why has Cross not become a fallen one yet. Suman was instant. But we have Cross, who been allied with a Noah for over 35 years. Lvellie, who hates God and the Order is interested in helping the 14th. And Cross has also stated he hates the Order. So, he and the inspector both seem to be alike in that department. And [[spoiler:And the 14th supposedly going to kill Allen's loved ones, as stated by Cross (Exorcists, perhaps?) So, with Cross helping this guy, how is he not consumed by his innocence? Apocryphos shows up personally to attempt to kill him, then we see Judgement has forsaken him. Did Apo brainwash Judgement? Or was the agreement that Cross made with the Inspector have something to do with it? Hoshino stated in an older interview that Cross unwillingly got involved with Neah. Maybe the fact he didn't want to help saved him? In recent chapters, we find he had a pact with The Inspector to have Link be Neah's new ally. Perhaps Cross was planning to abandon Neah, but left him with a replacement?replacement?]]
1st Feb '16 4:07:29 PM SilverFang
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* Why has Cross not become a fallen one yet. Suman was instant. But we have Cross, who been allied with a Noah for over 35 years. Lvellie, who hates God is interested in helping the 14th. And is supposedly going to kill Allen's loved ones (Exorcists, perhaps?) So, with cross helping this guy, how is he not consumed by his innocence? Apocryphos shows up personally to attempt to kill him, then we see Judgement has forsaken him. Did Apo brainwash judgement? Or was the aggreement that cross made with the Inspector have something to do with it?

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* Why has Cross not become a fallen one yet. Suman was instant. But we have Cross, who been allied with a Noah for over 35 years. Lvellie, who hates God and the Order is interested in helping the 14th. And is Cross has also stated he hates the Order. So, he and the inspector both seem to be alike in that department. And the 14th supposedly going to kill Allen's loved ones ones, as stated by Cross (Exorcists, perhaps?) So, with cross Cross helping this guy, how is he not consumed by his innocence? Apocryphos shows up personally to attempt to kill him, then we see Judgement has forsaken him. Did Apo brainwash judgement? Judgement? Or was the aggreement agreement that cross Cross made with the Inspector have something to do with it?it? Hoshino stated in an older interview that Cross unwillingly got involved with Neah. Maybe the fact he didn't want to help saved him? In recent chapters, we find he had a pact with The Inspector to have Link be Neah's new ally. Perhaps Cross was planning to abandon Neah, but left him with a replacement?
1st Feb '16 4:02:03 PM SilverFang
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* Why has Cross not become a fallen one yet. Suman was instant. But we have Cross, who been allied with a Noah for over 35 years. Lvellie, who hates God is interested in helping the 14th. And is supposedly going to kill Allen's loved ones (Exorcists, perhaps?) So, with cross helping this guy, how is he not consumed by his innocence? Apocryphos shows up personally to attempt to kill him, then we see Judgement has forsaken him. Did Apo brainwash judgement? Or was the aggreement that cross made with the Inspector have something to do with it?
28th Mar '15 11:22:36 AM Picard578
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*** It is actually more or less spelled out that Innocence turns one into a Fallen One for betraying God, that is for not opposing the Noah. [[spoiler: Suman betrayed his comrades for sake of his own life, and so became a Fallen One. Kanda abandoned the Order, and the war, for personal reasons (searching for Allen), and for this reason came close to becoming a Fallen One. Allen abandoned the Order, but still fully intends to do everything he can against the Earl and the Akuma - and his Innocence, far from trying to turn him into a Fallen One, actually helped him when he was injured.]]
6th Aug '14 9:29:20 AM yecasux10
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** Neah notes Allen looks younger then when he last saw him. Apparently Allen is older than he looks.
5th Aug '14 9:37:53 AM jz1337
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* After the whole episode about why exorcists wear the coats with the black order insignia, does it ever state why Lenalee doesn't seem to ever wear one?
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