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*** There's a "fish in a barrel" joke in there somewhere...
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** Yes, it is his real name.
** No, it isn't, at least not in this case. All of his squadmates have callsigns based on prisons - Chino and Leavenworth, for example.
** No, it isn't, at least not in this case. All of his squadmates have callsigns based on prisons - Chino and Leavenworth, for example.
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** Think of it like this: Hargreaves is a futurist, he didn't build a suit, he built an adaptable platform that can integrate with Ceph systems, their biological and mechanical based systems. Being a forward thinker he didn't just build it as single purpose tool, he built it to adapt and improve because he figured that the Ceph, being so advanced, weren't going to just rely on their existing technology when it gets hacked and overridden by humans. He anticipated an arms race between humans and something akin to a god, he therefore decided to build his founding tool, the nanosuit, to adapt and improve with contact with the enemy, giving humanity something that will remain effective against the Ceph while he worked on developing stronger weapons from the data collected by the suit. His death in Crysis 2 cuts short the long-term plan but its possible his business partner may have been working on an alternative approach to dealing with the Ceph and thus his nanosuit technology is still fulfilling its role
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** ''Legion'', once again, provides an explanation. The troops you see throughout the city are not a fresh MEU dispatched with all their equipment. They're a hodgepodge mixture of every branch of the US armed forces who have been fighting inside the city for weeks and "getting creamed" according to Gould. You're effectively looking at the tattered remnants of everything that's survived savage urban combat against an endless horde of physically superior and technologically more-advanced aliens. They're a mixture of US Army, Army Airborne, Marines, Special Forces, plus whatever the Navy and Air Force have put into the city as well. Hell,I wouldn't be surprised if some of the guys you see are NYPD who grabbed military gear from stockpiles or off soldiers who didn't need it. Some of the guys fighting aren't even wearing body armor, indicating many of them might be rear-echelon troops who are supposed to be handling logistics or support but ended up fighting on the frontline because they need everyone shooting.
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Why are you apologizing for asking a legitimate question?
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* Sorry, but... is Alcatraz his real name? I haven't heard him being referred to as anything else, and it's apparently on his recon uniform name tag. Is it his first name, his last name, or (my own theory) did he, upon turning 18, get fed up with his birth name and legally change it?
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* Sorry, but... is Is Alcatraz his real name? I haven't heard him being referred to as anything else, and it's apparently on his recon uniform name tag. Is it his first name, his last name, or (my own theory) did he, upon turning 18, get fed up with his birth name and legally change it?
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* Sorry, but... is Alcatraz his real name? I haven't heard him being referred to as anything else, and it's apparently on his recon uniform name tag. Is it his first name, his last name, or (my own theory) did he, upon turning 18, get fed up with his birth name of [[UnfortunateNames Dick Shortbottom]] and legally change it?
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* Sorry, but... is Alcatraz his real name? I haven't heard him being referred to as anything else, and it's apparently on his recon uniform name tag. Is it his first name, his last name, or (my own theory) did he, upon turning 18, get fed up with his birth name of [[UnfortunateNames Dick Shortbottom]] and legally change it?it?
** Yes, it is his real name.
** Yes, it is his real name.
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* Sorry, but... is Alcatraz his real name? I haven't heard him being referred to as anything else, and it's apparently on his recon uniform name tag. Is it his first name, his last name, or (my own theory) did he, upon turning 18, get fed up with his birth name of [[UnfortunateNames Dick Shortbottom]] and legally change it?
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Irrelevant to the discussed topic here. If you want to complain about other continuity issues, make separate entries for them.
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** Even if we except this nonsense it does not solve the massive continuity issues regarding EVENTS. The end of Crysis 1 has thousands, if not tens of thousands of alien ship streaming out into the world, destroying a carrier battle group, and clearly implied to be initiating a massive invasion. Crysis 2 says this just didn't happen because... errr? There also the issues of the nanosuit behaving NOTHING like they're described in 2, being outright SAID to be produced by the government not some super powerful corporation, the Alien vessel outright stated to be a crashed ship, etc. Furthermore people treat the idea of aliens as astounding and act like this entire thing is without any precedent in Crysis 2 when it's just impossible that Lingshen WASN'T the biggest news story in the history of mankind (given that it must have killed round about 10,000 people on that carrier group alone). Crysis 2 is simply incompatible with Crysis without retcons so massive as to render most of the first game essentially pointless. Thus you're left with the option of either saying most of Crysis 1 outright didn't happen as it did in game, or that Crysis 2 is functionally a stealth reboot and another continuity.
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** Even if we except this nonsense it does not solve the massive continuity issues regarding EVENTS. The end of Crysis 1 has thousands, if not tens of thousands of alien ship streaming out into the world, destroying a carrier battle group, and clearly implied to be initiating a massive invasion. Crysis 2 says this just didn't happen because... errr? There also the issues of the nanosuit behaving NOTHING like they're described in 2, being outright SAID to be produced by the government not some super powerful corporation, the Alien vessel outright stated to be a crashed ship, etc. Furthermore people treat the idea of aliens as astounding and act like this entire thing is without any precedent in Crysis 2 when it's just impossible that Lingshen WASN'T the biggest news story in the history of mankind (given that it must have killed round about 10,000 people on that carrier group alone). Crysis 2 is simply incompatible with Crysis without retcons so massive as to render most of the first game essentially pointless. Thus you're left with the option of either saying most of Crysis 1 outright didn't happen as it did in game, or that Crysis 2 is functionally a stealth reboot and another continuity.
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** Note that it isn't an issue of making another 2.0 suit. There ''are'' other 2.0 suits out there. The issue is that it's ''Prophet's'' suit that is special because its the only one that managed to get into the lithoship underneath Central Park. Afterward, Prophet tried to extract Gould, and doesn't truly trust Hargreave after the whole "post-human warrior" speech, so Hargreave couldn't just copy the changes and data in the suit. Plus Prophet was losing control of himself to the virus and the Ceph, so he couldn't return even if he did trust Hargreave. Hargreave could have used a 2.0 suit for himself, but if he did, he wouldn't be able to use Prophet's, which was the one that had been processing both the samples from the Central Park lithoship, the Ceph tissue samples, the samples from the spear dispersal device near City Hall, and all of the data Prophet acquired from Lingshan, and was the only suit that could properly capitalize on the Tunguska Iteration.
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** The suit ''is'' like that in-game, you just have to activate armor mode. The key thing to remember is that, in its default state, the suit is set up purely for mobility. Default mode is "Power" mode which places emphasis on movement, speed, jumping, sliding, and strength. This mode has very limited resistance to incoming fire. When you switch to "Armor" mode, ''that'' is when the suit becomes an impervious monster. Its performance is further boosted once you unlock and upgrade the Deflection option, which is a passive buff across all three modes but which greatly helps with survivability in those rough spots. Fire up Armor with Deflection and you're a mobile tank, even on Post-Human Warrior difficulty.
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** Creating one suit took an enormous amount of resources, and this was prior to Hargreave getting blacklisted within his own corporation, and then the Ceph showed up. He probably wanted to make more - they made a number of the 1.0 versions - but ran out of time.
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** As for the new Ceph, they still don't make sense; trying to invoke something ''else'' unrealistic as an excuse for that doesn't change things. They have no connection to the original Ceph, don't make the slightest bit of sense as a variant, and are seemingly so different because the idiot writer they got on board wasn't familiar with the original game's plot. AI-wise they're exactly the same as the Korean Nanosuit solidiers, so barely even qualify as a new enemy; they're just men with guns, same as the humans. For all the whining about the squid-drones, they were at least different and distinctive; people didn't like those levels because it was largely a matter of using the MOAC to blast a million billion gunships while Prophet bitched at you and froze to death.
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** Oh, wait, Lockhart maybe not, but [[spoiler: there's a period between when Hargreave traps you and you get to meet him when there are still hostile CELL operators. What about those?]]
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** Oh, wait, Lockhart maybe not, but [[spoiler: there's a period between when Hargreave traps you and you get to meet him when there are still hostile CELL operators. What about those?]]those?
*** Hargreave's men likely don't have nanosuits because they're ostensibly Lockheart's until they start going at each others' throats.
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**It might be because the Marines were wearing Desert MARPAT uniforms in the campaign, so their nanosuit's colouration in MP is probably due to that.
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** I found the suit capable of much more punishment, you just also happen to have a lot more flying at you at once in Crysis than CoD or Battlefield. The enemies use better tactics like staggering fire and concentrated group fire to deal lots of damage to you due to Crysis' (usually) better and more sophisticated AI. Also, did you use Armor Mode often? It runs out of power pretty quickly in 2 before the upgrade, but it can take quite a punishment.
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*** Well to me the way it was worded implied to me that Hargreave fought the Ceph aliens and may perhaps have fought in some of the many wars that occurred in the 20th century. When I learned more about his backstory, how he more or less just stumbled upon aliens that were in hibernation, and how he had been a businessman up until he cryogenically froze himself in his old age, made me wonder what he meant by that sentence. It seems unlikely to me that he had such an eventful life that he has had numerous men and aliens try to kill him.
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**** So is comparing the nano-suit with the Venom Symbiotic life-form from Spider-Man an accurate comparison? Venom was able to talk and interact with its host on a personal level and expressed a very clear desire to be permanently bonded with its host. Is the suit implied to be able to interact with its host and cares for it, or is it just an AI that has set program parameters to follow?
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* This may just be the Call of Duty/Battlefield (those are the main First Person Shooters I play) fan in me speaking, but it seems to me that you die a lot faster in comparison to those games. A few bursts from an enemy at close range? Dead in seconds. Explosion go off by you? Instant death every time. The suit may provide speed, invisibility, and increased strength, but in terms of armor the nano-suit doesn't really seem like it's any more durable than normal body armor. The intro cutscene portrays it as a bullet sponge and explosions only burn the outer layers a little bit; why can't the armor be like that in-game.
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** The nanosuit is no more supposed to win a war than the M1 Garand was supposed to win World War II. It is, however, a ''start'' along the process to advancing humanity to the point where it might be able to defend itself against the Ceph, and eventually to defend against whatever created them. The first weapon you build is not going to win the war.
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*** The suit bonds with the user's body. Think of it as a sentient second skin. It can probably connect with blood vessels directly.
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**** Two possible hypothesises as two how that works. First is that the sphere becomes cryogenic cold by absorbing heat from it's area of effect. Therefore the aliens can be killed using kinetic and incendiary weapons outside the sphere. Second is that the nuclear missile was too low yield to deal any effective damage to Lingshan.
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** Remember Tunguska, South America and Siberia. As for better men, every oversuccessful human on earth has eventually faced someone antagonistic enough to attempt an assasination on him/her.
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** The suit is sentient. Properly programmed, it starts devising strategies and combinations to help it's allies/wearers (humans in this case). It can levelup just like any shapeshifting boss. And then there is the humanized alien spore.
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* As the novel of Crysis 2 states the aliens thus far encountered in the series would be the equivalent of a gardener hired by a rich person to cut some weeds (humans in this case), the gardener is so far below the rich man that he isn't worth being compared to him. If this is true then how did Hargreave expect his nano-suits to win, hose nano-suits were only barely superior to the "gardeners" how are these nano-suit warriors going to kill the "boss"?
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** Prophet casually claims that the nano-suit is a 1 billion dollar project. If the nano-suit 2.0 is really so much greater than the original that Hargreave believes it can save the world than it is probably a great deal more expensive than the original. Still you make a very great point that he should have made more than 1, funding obviously shouldn't be a problem as he has been a businessman for over a hundred years and he should have connections with the American Government meaning he has private and public funds to work with.
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** Prophet casually claims that the nano-suit is a 1 billion dollar project. If the nano-suit 2.0 is really so much greater than the original that Hargreave believes it can save the world than it is probably a great deal more expensive than the original. Still you make a very great point that he should have made more than 1, However funding obviously shouldn't be a problem as he has been a businessman for over a hundred years and he should have connections with the American Government meaning he has private and public funds to work with. If it really is so important that it can save the world then making more than 1 should have been a priority.
* As the novel of Crysis 2 states the aliens thus far encountered in the series would be the equivalent of a gardener hired by a rich person to cut some weeds (humans in this case), the gardener is so far below the rich man that he isn't worth being compared to him. If this is true then how did Hargreave expect his nano-suits to win, hose nano-suits were only barely superior to the "gardeners" how are these nano-suit warriors going to kill the "boss"?
* As the novel of Crysis 2 states the aliens thus far encountered in the series would be the equivalent of a gardener hired by a rich person to cut some weeds (humans in this case), the gardener is so far below the rich man that he isn't worth being compared to him. If this is true then how did Hargreave expect his nano-suits to win, hose nano-suits were only barely superior to the "gardeners" how are these nano-suit warriors going to kill the "boss"?
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* Hargreave's response towards Lockhart claiming that he would kill him was suitably epic to be sure, "Better men then you have tried. Better men than you, and things so far beyond men you can't begin to imagine them." But how is that possible, hasn't he been in cryogenic stasis for the better part of a century? When did he have an opportunity to have encounters with all these men who wanted him dead and apparently even some of the Ceph aliens.
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* Hargreave's response towards Lockhart claiming that he would kill him was suitably epic to be sure, "Better men then you have tried. Better men than you, and things so far beyond men you can't begin to imagine them." But how is that possible, hasn't he been in cryogenic stasis for the better part of a century? several decades? When did he have an opportunity to have encounters with all these men who wanted him dead and apparently even some of the Ceph aliens.
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** Prophet casually claims that the nano-suit is a 1 billion dollar project. If the nano-suit 2.0 is really so much greater than the original that Hargreave believes it can save the world than it is probably a great deal more expensive than the original. Still you make a very great point that he should have made more than 1, funding obviously shouldn't be a problem as he has been a businessman for over a hundred years and he should have connections with the American Government meaning he has private and public funds to work with.
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* Why Did not Hargreave make a spare nanosuit 2 for himself, copy the anti-spore program from Prophet/Alcatraz's nanosuit to the spare and use it for himself? it would be awesome to be able to play as Hargreave in Crysis 2, or any of the sequels-to-be. It would also allow more character development and backstory explanation on Hargreave's part.
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*** Well it is just that all of that explosive heat energy and radiation being dispersed through the air should be too chaotic to focus into any sort of useable energy, and even if that is possible the energy absorption shouldn't occur literally seconds after the explosion just ended (the mushroom cloud should have lasted longer than it did as all that superheated air takes a lot longer than a few seconds to disperse). Also if nuclear explosions made the Ceph stronger how in the hell did Nomand defeat them with a Tactical Nuclear Grenade Launcher?
* Hargreave's response towards Lockhart claiming that he would kill him was suitably epic to be sure, "Better men then you have tried. Better men than you, and things so far beyond men you can't begin to imagine them." But how is that possible, hasn't he been in cryogenic stasis for the better part of a century? When did he have an opportunity to have encounters with all these men who wanted him dead and apparently even some of the Ceph aliens.
* Hargreave's response towards Lockhart claiming that he would kill him was suitably epic to be sure, "Better men then you have tried. Better men than you, and things so far beyond men you can't begin to imagine them." But how is that possible, hasn't he been in cryogenic stasis for the better part of a century? When did he have an opportunity to have encounters with all these men who wanted him dead and apparently even some of the Ceph aliens.
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*** The suit is smart. Very, very smart. Being reverse-engineered tech from a species for whom the Ceph are gardeners/gardening tools, this shouldn't be a surprise. SECOND also recognizes the objective it is given and takes steps to complete that objective; if the wearer is damaged or has damaged parts, it repairs/repurposes them. And at one point in the novel, Alcatraz is trying to do something the suit considers detrimental to its objectives, and it overrides him (which pisses him off to an epic degree).
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