History Headscratchers / CrestOfTheStars

24th Mar '18 4:29:23 PM nombretomado
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18th Feb '18 10:26:25 AM nombretomado
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** Well, this Russian troper sees some resemblance, but only slight. Here's basically how Tsarist Russian expansionism worked: if they arrived to a land inhabited by some primitive indigenous tribe, they set up some forts manned by Cossacks, put taxation on the locals but otherwise leave the local system intact; the tribesmen were included in the ''inorodtsy'' estate (literally, "ones of other birth") and as such exempt from army service or any other service to the state, only having to pay the tax; however, the important people were converted into Orthodox Christianity and legally considered Russian after that, sometimes with nobility included in the package. The Caucasus region became infamous for the number of princely families created from local chiefs. However, the Russians usually didn't arrive uninvited in regions with already estabilished statehood, and included such territories in their borders if the local rulers specifically asked them to (that's how Georgia and the Kazakh clans were annexed). After RedOctober, however, every ethnicity was granted semi-autonomous nationhood and allegedly full equality with Russians; some of these semi-autonomous nations were granted the Soviet Republic status which eventually allowed them to secede from the Union, and some were merely Autonomous Republics and stay such to this day.

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** Well, this Russian troper sees some resemblance, but only slight. Here's basically how Tsarist Russian expansionism worked: if they arrived to a land inhabited by some primitive indigenous tribe, they set up some forts manned by Cossacks, put taxation on the locals but otherwise leave the local system intact; the tribesmen were included in the ''inorodtsy'' estate (literally, "ones of other birth") and as such exempt from army service or any other service to the state, only having to pay the tax; however, the important people were converted into Orthodox Christianity and legally considered Russian after that, sometimes with nobility included in the package. The Caucasus region became infamous for the number of princely families created from local chiefs. However, the Russians usually didn't arrive uninvited in regions with already estabilished statehood, and included such territories in their borders if the local rulers specifically asked them to (that's how Georgia and the Kazakh clans were annexed). After RedOctober, UsefulNotes/RedOctober, however, every ethnicity was granted semi-autonomous nationhood and allegedly full equality with Russians; some of these semi-autonomous nations were granted the Soviet Republic status which eventually allowed them to secede from the Union, and some were merely Autonomous Republics and stay such to this day.
20th Jan '18 1:45:46 PM DarkHunter
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*** The Abh Empire ''is'' an oppressive state. Their stated goal is to rule over all of humanity forever because they're [[CantArgueWithElves just better]] and Lafiel at one point makes casual mention of ''burning off a planet's atmosphere'' as a method of quelling anti-Abh rebellions. And Jinto's whole conflict in Part III of ''Banner'' was finding a way to get Martine to stop rebelling because he knew the planet would be toasted if they didn't (Martine quite simply did ''not'' have the resources to resist the Abh, period). We just don't see much of that side of the Empire because the protagonists are in extremely privileged positions within it. The reason the Abh are still often seen as the "heroic" characters is because 1) a lot of the individual Abh are usually decent people, and 2) the United Mankind is [[GreyAndGreyMorality not really any better]], permitting no cultural freedom and officially seeing the Abh as outright ''subhuman''.
9th Jul '17 6:26:54 AM Kalaong
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*** It's ''still'' a critical disconnect; [[http://stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/Trek-Marxism.html State seizure of transportation (leading to reduction or elimination of freedom of movement)]] - is a hallmark of oppressive states. Unless you kiss up to the Abh, you can't leave a system, let alone the empire. In modern terms, it's as if someone conquered your hometown, restructured it so everything was in walking distance, and confiscated all the ''cars.'' Once the Abh move in, you're trapped in the Empire. '''Forever.'''
8th Feb '17 5:53:14 AM IHateAlmostEverything
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* I know it's just artistic coventionality that exists in loads of shows(see WhatMeasureIsAMook) but that really got my attention because ''Crest'' is much more realistic than most sci-fi and military series in terms of character psychology and behavior. In real life, few soldiers(and Jinto and Lafiel are, without doubt, professional soldiers) actually shoot to kill enemy soldiers, and when they do, it's a pretty traumatising expirience, especially the first times. Now, take a look at the climax of the first series. While on the run, Jinto and Lafiel kill dozens of United Mankind soldiers and show no psychological shock from it at all. In the final scenes of the anime(or final chapters of the novel) they are happily chatting like nothing bad happened. Yes, they were defending their lives, but even in self-defense it's hard for ordinary person to kill another, let alone dozens of them, especially without any combat experience whic these two did not have. And they are not sociopaths - they are people with empathy and compassion who honestly hope that Abh victory will bring eternal peace for humankind and stop bloodshed forever. In contrast with the rest of the series, these scenes look like one ugly BigLippedAlligatorMoment.



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9th Aug '15 3:44:11 AM TK3997
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*** Furthermore, furthermore if you actually stop to think for a minute it's not even that unreasonable, most indications are that the FTL system they use seems to require a power density only anti-matter can provide. The entire economy is outright stated and shown to be based around it much like oil today, if that's the case... there are some pretty damn good reasons to impose highly draconian controls on all interstellar spacecraft! These go rather beyond any concerns regarding philosophy, and start with things like the fact that basically every single FTL freighter in use is the flying equivalent of a thermonuclear bomb (at least!) if say simply pointed at a planets atmosphere and flown into it.

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*** Furthermore, furthermore Furthermore-Furthermore if you actually stop to think for a minute it's not even that unreasonable, most unreasonable. Most indications are that the FTL system they use seems to require a power density only anti-matter can provide. The entire economy is outright stated and shown to be based around it much like oil today, if that's the case... there are some pretty damn good reasons to impose highly draconian controls on all interstellar spacecraft! These go rather beyond any concerns regarding philosophy, and start starts with things like the fact that basically every single FTL freighter in use is the flying equivalent of a thermonuclear bomb (at least!) if say simply pointed at a planets atmosphere and flown into it.
9th Aug '15 3:42:35 AM TK3997
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*** Furthermore, furthermore if you actually stop to think for a minute it's not even that unreasonable, most indications are that the FTL system they use seems to require a power density only anti-matter can provide. The entire economy is outright stated and shown to be based around it much like oil today, if that's the case... there are some pretty damn good reasons to impose highly draconian controls on all interstellar spacecraft! These go rather beyond any concerns regarding philosophy, like the fact that basically every single FTL freighter in use is the flying equivalent of a thermonuclear bomb (at least!) if say simply pointed at a planets atmosphere and flown into it.

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*** Furthermore, furthermore if you actually stop to think for a minute it's not even that unreasonable, most indications are that the FTL system they use seems to require a power density only anti-matter can provide. The entire economy is outright stated and shown to be based around it much like oil today, if that's the case... there are some pretty damn good reasons to impose highly draconian controls on all interstellar spacecraft! These go rather beyond any concerns regarding philosophy, and start with things like the fact that basically every single FTL freighter in use is the flying equivalent of a thermonuclear bomb (at least!) if say simply pointed at a planets atmosphere and flown into it.
9th Aug '15 3:41:46 AM TK3997
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*** Furthermore if you actually stop to think for a minute it's not even that unreasonable, most indications are that the FTL system they use seems to require a power density only anti-matter can provide. The entire economy is outright stated and shown to be based around it much like oil today, if that's the case... there are some pretty damn good reasons to impose highly draconian controls on all interstellar spacecraft! These go rather beyond any concerns regarding philosophy, like the fact that basically every single FTL freighter in use is the flying equivalent of a thermonuclear bomb (at least!) if say simply pointed at a planets atmosphere and flown into it.

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*** Furthermore Furthermore, furthermore if you actually stop to think for a minute it's not even that unreasonable, most indications are that the FTL system they use seems to require a power density only anti-matter can provide. The entire economy is outright stated and shown to be based around it much like oil today, if that's the case... there are some pretty damn good reasons to impose highly draconian controls on all interstellar spacecraft! These go rather beyond any concerns regarding philosophy, like the fact that basically every single FTL freighter in use is the flying equivalent of a thermonuclear bomb (at least!) if say simply pointed at a planets atmosphere and flown into it.
9th Aug '15 3:41:00 AM TK3997
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*** Furthermore if you actually stop to think for a minute it's not even that unreasonable, most indications are that the FTL system they use seems to require a power density only anti-matter can provide. The entire economy is outright stated and shown to be based around it much like oil today, if that's the case... there are some pretty fucking good reasons to impose highly draconian controls on all interstellar spacecraft! These go rather beyond any concerns regarding philosophy, like the fact that basically every single FTL freighter in use is the flying equivalent of a thermonuclear bomb if say simply pointed at a planet and fly into it.

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*** Furthermore if you actually stop to think for a minute it's not even that unreasonable, most indications are that the FTL system they use seems to require a power density only anti-matter can provide. The entire economy is outright stated and shown to be based around it much like oil today, if that's the case... there are some pretty fucking damn good reasons to impose highly draconian controls on all interstellar spacecraft! These go rather beyond any concerns regarding philosophy, like the fact that basically every single FTL freighter in use is the flying equivalent of a thermonuclear bomb (at least!) if say simply pointed at a planet planets atmosphere and fly flown into it.
9th Aug '15 3:39:47 AM TK3997
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*** Furthermore if you actually stop to think for a minute it's not even that unreasonable, most indications are that the FTL system they use seems to require a power density only anti-matter can provide. The entire economy is outright stated and shown to be based around it much like oil today, if that's the case... there are some pretty fucking good reasons to impose highly draconian controls on all interstellar spacecraft! These go rather beyond any concerns regarding philosophy, like the fact that basically every single FTL freighter in use is the flying equivalent of a thermonuclear bomb if say simply pointed at a planet and fly into it.
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