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*** A race that never experiences war of any kind, including war amongst each other, is even less believable than aliens.
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* Why is gold of any value to aliens that are clearly so advanced that they have spaceships and extremely effective weaponry? Are they cousins to the [[BattlefieldEarth Psychlos]] or something?

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* Why is gold of any value to aliens that are clearly so advanced that they have spaceships and extremely effective weaponry? Are they cousins to the [[BattlefieldEarth [[Film/BattlefieldEarth Psychlos]] or something?
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*** Look at it this way - why is nobody complaining that the crew of Nostromo in the Alien movie didn't have any fancy futuristic military equipment? The aliens in this film are probably like that crew - they are blue collar workers on a mining mission.
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** Just because your brain rests during sleep and unconsciousness doesn't mean that it doesn't stop thinking. What do you think dreams come from?
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*** What we're seeing in the movie '''is''' the "recon actions to evaluate the type and level of threat." Remember what Ella says--these are scouts, sent to research the indigenous lifeforms and figure out how best to kill them. What they found, presumably, was a bunch of squishy people who die really easily, and whose most common weapons barely scratch their own skin. Up until the cowboys find them--with help from an alien they thought they'd wiped out--they'd been operating with impunity.\\\
In short, in the end they were caught off guard because they'd had it really, really easy in previous skirmishes with humanity.
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*** Moreover, if they had any military history, they would use better tactics, beginning with recon actions to evaluate the type and level of treat. In movie, they attacked distraction group of humans and in the result were ambushed, what wouldn't happen, if they had proper security zone around their base with movement sensors, video and aerial surveilance...
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*** On other side, they already had one escaped human (Lonergan), as well as at least two downed aircrafts. Of course, it could not be considered as strategic treat, however, it is definitely tactical treat. Just imagine, how we would react to such incidents if we were in place of those alien expedition? Certain security system around our main operation base in the region is totally neccessary and must have.
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** The fact that they can create energy weapons and spacecraft means they have advanced metallurgy and engineering skills, and clothing is a thing they should have developed in their infancy. If they ever had a single war, they should have learned to make armor. These aliens, if their technology and society progressed at anything resembling a logical rate, should have won that battle hands-down.
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* What's with all the assumptions by tropers that just because an alien race creates spaceflight, they're also obviously going to have power armor, energy blasters coming out the wazoo, and in effect be invincible?
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*** Why surely they must have? Which real-world alien races are you using as a basis for this assumption?
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** The aliens relied mostly on their aircraft for overhead supporting fire. That being said, there only appeared to be a single vantage point from the top of the tower to fire from, and the humans were not directly attacking the tower itself. The aliens were moving out from the tower to eliminate a hostile force surrounding it rather than defending it from a direct assault. They were also pretty solidly convinced that the humans were no direct threat individually, as bullets and arrows just bounced off their skin unless they were shot in a vulnerable spot and they'd kill humans immediately in close combat.


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** The aliens were convinced that humans weren't a threat. You don't put up guards to defend against ants. You just spray them when you find them. Similarly, the aliens didn't think humans were any serious threat. Besides, they were also scouts primarily concerned with mining gold and observing humans. They weren't a serious military force.
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* Why aliens, capable of intergalaxy space travel, relayed so much on hand-to-hand combat in final battle instead of just sitting at the BFGs of their tower and shooting the annoying human beings away?

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* Why aliens, capable of intergalaxy space travel, relayed so much on hand-to-hand combat in final battle instead of just sitting at the BFGs BFG's of their tower and shooting the annoying human beings away?
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* Why aliens, capable of intergalaxy space travel, relayed so much on hand-to-hand combat in final battle instead of just sitting at the BFGs of their tower and shooting the annoying human beings away?
* Why alien tower totally lacked any kind of security? No guards, no any kind or detectors, no power shield, open doors(!!!). Perfect example of InsecuritySystem?
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Complaining about fan reaction instead of the movie itself


* Why do so many people think the premise of cowboys fighting aliens is fundamentally ludicrous? If we accept that aliens landing on earth is a sensible plot to begin with (and judging by the thousands of movies where exactly that happens, ''we do''), then why does setting the plot in the mid-19th Century suddenly make it crazy?
** I think it's the idea that cowboys stand a reasonable chance against aliens and won't be utterly wiped out in the first ten minutes.
** So after tens of thousands of years of storytelling, an outmatched hero triumphing against impossible odds is now ridiculous? Bonk that; I want to see them do a series of these movies. Just think: ''[[TheColonialPeriod Colonials]] and Aliens,'' ''{{Samurai}} and Aliens,'' '''''[[ThreeHundred Spartans]]''' and Aliens''...
*** There's a novel by PoulAnderson called ''TheHighCrusade''. Anglo-Norman knights preparing for an excursion into the Holy Land, face a surprise AlienInvasion, kick the aliens' asses, commandeer their ship and carry the crusade beyond the stars - and that's just the first few chapters! It could make an AWESOME movie -- unfortunately, ''Cowboys And Aliens'' seems to have tanked and discredited the idea.
**** I ... don't know quite how to tell you [[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110024/ this ...]]
**** That works fine, and now I'm going to watch the ''shit'' out that movie.
**** Don't bother. It's crap.
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* The allegory. The movie is essentially, with a straight face, comparing the white settlers to hulking, brutish monstrosities. That just rubs me the wrong way.
** We object to it because we ''are'' the aliens, whose cultural heritage is perfectly obvious to us. To natives who had never before encountered the colonialists and their advanced tech, the invaders were often being mistaken for gods, demons, or mythic beings. Perhaps the nuances of an alien culture aren't readily apparent to those who have no idea what to look for. Especially when they are in the middle of massacring you.
** It worked a ''bit'' better in the comic book where the aliens had a more evident culture and weren't just monsters with spaceships.
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** There's no indication that Ella can shapeshift to that degree. She might be able to alter her appearance but she likely still has to obey conservation of mass.
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** Maybe Dolarhyde's just a shitty parent, because as already established, he's an asshole. A lot of tycoons end up raising people like Percy.
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** Lots of people have their mother's maiden name. Emmett's father might not have been married to his mother.

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** We object to it because we ''are'' the aliens, whose cultural heritage is perfectly obvious to us. To natives who had never before encountered the colonialists and their advanced tech, the invaders were often being mistaken for gods, demons, or mythic beings. Perhaps the nuances of an alien culture aren't readily apparent to those who have no idea what to look for. Especially when they are in the middle of massacring you.



** We object to it because we ''are'' the aliens, whose cultural heritage is perfectly obvious to us. To natives who had never before encountered the colonialists and their advanced tech, the invaders were often being mistaken for gods, demons, or mythic beings. Perhaps the nuances of an alien culture aren't readily apparent to those who have no idea what to look for. Especially when they are in the middle of massacring you.
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** My father theorized it was just Peyote.
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*** For previous wars? They already fought against at least one civilization and surely they must have had wars among themselves.

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** That is also making the big assumption that the aliens have a racewide government. For all we know, these aliens are a poor mining company who couldn't afford the 'rights' to mine any profitable asteroids.



*** Unless the rifles are somehow tied into the armbands/their biology.



**** I think it's made pretty clear that the aliens underestimate the humans. I might have figured he would just give up and die. On top of all of that, why do we assume that the aliens are all ruthless killing machines? For all we know, that alien was a alien high school drop out who could only dig up rocks for a living.



* Why are the aliens completely naked? It's one thing to have bulletproof armor, its another thing to be completely naked, in a possibly hostile biosphere, and have natural armor. Maybe it's to facilitate the usage of the lung arms, whole other headscratchers in themselves, but why not have armor that opens up there whenever they need to use them?

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* Why are the aliens completely naked? It's one thing to have bulletproof armor, its another thing to be completely naked, in a possibly hostile biosphere, and have natural armor. Maybe it's to facilitate the usage of the lung arms, whole other headscratchers in themselves, but why not have armor that opens up there whenever they need to use them? them?
** Whose to say they ever needed clothes or armor before fighting the humans?


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** If you were on a planet full of gun toting born and bred hunters, you might think twice about becoming a big easty that would need to eat copious amounts of said hunters to stay alive. It may be easier just to blend in and pick a side.


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** Whose to say it was just for amnesia. For all we know, it was 19th century tylenol.
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* So Native Americans keep anti-amnesia medicine sitting around just in case... why?

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* So Native Americans keep anti-amnesia medicine sitting around just in case... why?why? Is amnesia common in the Wild West?
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* So Native Americans keep anti-amnesia medicine sitting around just in case... why?
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** Some kids you just can't reach under normal circumstances. Percy isn't the way he is because of how Dolerhyde tried to raise him, Percy is the way he is because that's the way he is.
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* So what now? There's plenty of bits of spacecraft and technology lying around. There are alien corpses galore lying around to prove what happened happened. Does the timeline branch off in a new direction or did the government swoop in and hush the whole thing up?
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* If Dolerhyde always wanted a son like Nat, how in the blazing hell did he raise up a brat like Percy?
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** Her shapeshifting might be limited to disguising herself, not actually changing her strength or abilities.
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* If Ella can shapeshift, why did she keep choosing the form of a woman instead of turning into a Tyrannosaurus Rex and fighting the aliens?
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* When did Ella arrive on Earth? Was she on the same ship that Jake had been captured on or did she crashland somewhere else? Even if she did, where's her ship and why didn't she have any technology with her? Did she spend a long time learning how to speak and act human or does she have alien powers that allow her to understand it all at once like [[TeenTitans Starfire]]? If all that was needed is to get inside the alien tower and blow it up, why did her entire race die? Were they a non-violent species or did they not know how to do it? If throwing her in a fire didn't kill her, how were the aliens able to kill her entire race in the first place?

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* When did Ella arrive on Earth? Was she on the same ship that Jake had been captured on or did she crashland somewhere else? Even if she did, where's her ship and why didn't she have any technology with her? Did she spend a long time learning how to speak and act human or does she have alien powers that allow her to understand it all at once like [[TeenTitans [[ComicBook/TeenTitans Starfire]]? If all that was needed is to get inside the alien tower and blow it up, why did her entire race die? Were they a non-violent species or did they not know how to do it? If throwing her in a fire didn't kill her, how were the aliens able to kill her entire race in the first place?

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