History Headscratchers / CitizenKane

6th Oct '15 3:14:00 PM Tuckerscreator
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** He didn't die right after wrecking her room. His divorce was listed in the obituary report years before his death. Like anyone else, he got too old.
6th Oct '15 9:53:18 AM matt3291992
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* Here's an even bigger question: How exactly did Kane die? It seems like his last moments were him wrecking up his ex-wife's room, then after that he just died. How did Kane die, exactly?
11th Mar '15 8:05:33 AM BlackINK.I.M
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***[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDbb6OOSh7o There's already a Citizen Kane of gaming, we call it Dynasty Warriors]]
4th Mar '15 6:47:11 PM LongLiveHumour
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*** This is a sidebar, but anyone claiming that ''StarWars'', of all films, is without precedent is really and truly talking out of some bodily orifice other than their mouth. For whatever new it might bring to the table in terms of special effects, it is a ''pastiche'' of older science fiction, western, samurai and war movies, and contains specific visual citations of films like TheSearchers, 12 O'Clock High and so on (see Will Brooker's book on the film for a useful rundown). Not only is it not wholly original, it foregrounds its influences in a way typical of films of the New Hollywood (or the "Film Brat" generation).
** Great. lets start with the one just up here. Of course that the StarWars example doesn't work because on the cinematography aspect, just like Citizen Kane, it borrows the techniques from pre-existing movies, yet no one calls CK out for that. That is why i used it to drive my point. Now on the other gentleman over there. See this?: "Serious film critics will concede that the plot of Kane is actually pretty simple, and that its genius lies not in what it is about but how it was done....." That is from the Trope of "What do You Mean, It's Not Didactic?" in the Film section, is very large and i am not going to copy ALL of it, just enough for you to know where to look. So as you can see, it isn't a straw argument, it from this very website (and keep in mind that i am ASKING about how this straw argument EXIST). It continues saying that it was on HOW the movie was told what made it unique, but again, if that was already done before then why is this movie so lauded for that? just because you do ONE original thing doesn't award you for the Best X Ever, isn't it?

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*** This is a sidebar, but anyone claiming that ''StarWars'', ''Franchise/StarWars'', of all films, is without precedent is really and truly talking out of some bodily orifice other than their mouth. For whatever new it might bring to the table in terms of special effects, it is a ''pastiche'' of older science fiction, western, samurai and war movies, and contains specific visual citations of films like TheSearchers, 12 O'Clock High and so on (see Will Brooker's book on the film for a useful rundown). Not only is it not wholly original, it foregrounds its influences in a way typical of films of the New Hollywood (or the "Film Brat" generation).
** Great. lets start with the one just up here. Of course that the StarWars ''Franchise/StarWars'' example doesn't work because on the cinematography aspect, just like Citizen Kane, it borrows the techniques from pre-existing movies, yet no one calls CK out for that. That is why i used it to drive my point. Now on the other gentleman over there. See this?: "Serious film critics will concede that the plot of Kane is actually pretty simple, and that its genius lies not in what it is about but how it was done....." That is from the Trope of "What do You Mean, It's Not Didactic?" in the Film section, is very large and i am not going to copy ALL of it, just enough for you to know where to look. So as you can see, it isn't a straw argument, it from this very website (and keep in mind that i am ASKING about how this straw argument EXIST). It continues saying that it was on HOW the movie was told what made it unique, but again, if that was already done before then why is this movie so lauded for that? just because you do ONE original thing doesn't award you for the Best X Ever, isn't it?
15th Dec '14 5:47:30 AM 06tele
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**** It's a common misconception that artistic quality has to do with being innovative. An artist can invent a technique or even a form, but then not exploit it to its full potential; if being innovative were the sole guarantee of genius, then the greatest opera ever written would be Jacopo Peri's ''Dafne'', because it was the first one ever written. But apart from the fact that we don't have a score of it anymore, it would be ridiculous to claim that it ''must'' have been better than, say, Mozart's ''Magic Flute'', which was written nearly 200 years later. Deep focus wasn't invented for ''Citizen Kane'' but it can be argued that Welles used it more creatively and intelligently than anyone before him, namely to tell you something about the characters in the film, not just to make a cool-looking shot.

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**** It's a common misconception that artistic quality has to do with being innovative. An artist can invent a technique or even a form, but then not exploit it to its full potential; if being innovative were the sole guarantee of genius, then the greatest opera ever written would be Jacopo Peri's ''Dafne'', because it was the first one ever written. But apart from the fact that we don't have a score of it anymore, it would be ridiculous to claim that it ''must'' have been better than, say, Mozart's ''Magic Flute'', which was written nearly 200 years later. Deep focus wasn't invented for ''Citizen Kane'' but it can be argued that Welles used it more creatively and intelligently than anyone before him, namely to tell you something about the characters in the film, not just to make a cool-looking shot. If you're not convinced, consider Creator/JohannSebastianBach, who was not innovative at all. Bach didn't invent fugue, or oratorio, or the church cantata, or the keyboard suite, or the violin sonata. If great artists are great because they're innovative, then Bach is the most overrated composer of all time. But you can only make an argument like that if you've been forced into it by accepting a fundamentally wrong premise, namely that all great art is innovative.
15th Dec '14 5:38:55 AM 06tele
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**** It's a common misconception that artistic quality has to do with being innovative. An artist can invent a technique or even a form, but then not exploit it to its full potential; if being innovative were the sole guarantee of genius, then the greatest opera ever written would be Jacopo Peri's ''Dafne'', because it was the first one ever written. But apart from the fact that we don't have a score of it anymore, it would be ridiculous to claim that it ''must'' have been better than, say, Mozart's ''Magic Flute'', which was written nearly 200 years later. Deep focus wasn't invented for ''Citizen Kane'' but it can be argued that Welles used it more creatively and intelligently than anyone before him, namely to tell you something about the characters in the film, not just to make a cool-looking shot.
6th Oct '13 5:19:37 PM MrPink
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*** Au contraire. There are about four "Citizen Kanes of gaming" a year. It doesn't take a whole lot for that claim to get thrown out there.
21st Aug '13 7:10:46 AM Savini24
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*** I agree with this troper. I believe that Kane's whisper made her pause at the door, and the glass ball prompted her to enter the room.
11th Dec '12 6:11:57 PM rodneyAnonymous
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*** Which begs a more human-nature-related question that Just Bugs Me: why did anyone actually ''care'' so much what "Rosebud" meant, if everybody hated the guy's guts and nobody worried about about him when he was alive? Sure, his dying may invite a certain amount of press interest, but it's not like anyone will care what the last words of those idiots whose screw-ups kicked off the recent banking crisis might mean. So why all the fuss over some senile old corporate shark's last mumble?

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*** Which begs raises a more human-nature-related question that Just Bugs Me: why did anyone actually ''care'' so much what "Rosebud" meant, if everybody hated the guy's guts and nobody worried about about him when he was alive? Sure, his dying may invite a certain amount of press interest, but it's not like anyone will care what the last words of those idiots whose screw-ups kicked off the recent banking crisis might mean. So why all the fuss over some senile old corporate shark's last mumble?
3rd Nov '12 2:45:35 AM jbiebz
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****You have to think of it this way if a polarizing celebrity of today died (lets say Lindsay Lohan) the press would still want to run a story on her and possibly find an angle that no one else would have of the same story being print all over.
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