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** ARS is also not as clear cut as it may seem. I'm sure Yuvchenko was happy that he was not put down despite receiving what was statistically a lethal ammount of radiation, for example.
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** ARS is also not as clear cut as it may seem. I'm sure Yuvchenko was happy that he was not put down despite receiving what was statistically a lethal ammount amount of radiation, for example.
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** It's also worth noting that the robot was not built for this task - there was no time for a task of this sophistication. Instead, like the moon rovers, it was an existing robot repurposed for the task.
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*** It helps that, in real life, the divers had a much simpler job than in the show: they didn't need to search for anything, as the show seems to have them doing. They went down a flight of stairs, down a hallway into a room, opened the valves, and then left up the hallway and the stairs again. Dangerous, yes, vital, yes, and undoubtedly nerve-wracking: but not that ''complicated'' to do in the dark.
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** Not an expert, but from what I understand probably not; at least, not for long enough or in such a way that would make deploying them in any way practical. The issue seems to be less that it's technically impossible to build the shield, but that the more radiation you want to shield the electronics from, the thicker and heavier the shield has to be, to the point where you're basically left with what largely amounts to a large slab of immobile lead and concrete. According to [[https://www.roboticsbusinessreview.com/energy-mining/can_any_robot_survive_fukushima_maybe_none/ this article]] attempts at using robotics to assist in the clean-up / repair of the Fukushima reactor faced similar issues.
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[[folder: The German robot and the radiation]]
* The robot the USSR ordered from the Germans [[EpicFail breaks down immediately]] before the Soviets gave the propaganda number to the Germans (2000 roentgens) instead of the actual radiation levels (15 000 roentgens) and the Germans only built a robot rated for 2000 roentgens. If the Soviets gave the actual level, could the Germans have built a robot that can actually handle 15 000 roentgens or is that just impossible from an engineering viewpoint?
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* The robot the USSR ordered from the Germans [[EpicFail breaks down immediately]] before the Soviets gave the propaganda number to the Germans (2000 roentgens) instead of the actual radiation levels (15 000 roentgens) and the Germans only built a robot rated for 2000 roentgens. If the Soviets gave the actual level, could the Germans have built a robot that can actually handle 15 000 roentgens or is that just impossible from an engineering viewpoint?
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** Also, the USSR in the late 1980s was not exactly paradise when it came to human rights, but [[EvenEvilHasStandards even they had standards]]. Walking around a hospital ward shooting people in the head would be considered beyond the pale, even if they were suffering, because there were more humane ways of tending to people and trying to ease their suffering. Hell, even in the days of Stalin that kind of thing would be considered beyond the pale.
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** Also, the USSR in the late 1980s was not exactly paradise when it came to human rights, but [[EvenEvilHasStandards even they had standards]]. Walking around a hospital ward shooting people in the head would be considered beyond the pale, even if they were suffering, because there were more humane ways of tending to people and trying to ease their suffering. Hell, even in the days of Stalin that kind of thing would be considered beyond the pale.
pale. There's a reason that they shipped people they wanted to kill to jails and gulags and did it there; indiscriminately shooting people in a hospital is horrific and incredibly bad for morale.
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** Also, the USSR in the late 1980s was not exactly paradise when it came to human rights, but [[EvenEvilHasStandards even they had standards]]. Walking around a hospital ward shooting people in the head would be considered beyond the pale, even if they were suffering, because there were more humane ways of tending to people and trying to ease their suffering. Hell, even in the days of Stalin that kind of thing would be considered beyond the pale.
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** Because the town of Chernobyl was — ironically perhaps — not badly hit by the fallout. The winds during the severe phase of the accident were away from the town. Comparing [[https://map.safecast.org/?y=51.2726&x=30.2128&z=14&l=0&m=2 the radiation levels in Chernobyl]] with the world, they are not extraordinary; you get a higher dose of radiation in Denver, Colorado, USA, for the equivalent amount of time spent.
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** The test was supposed to have been completed before the reactor was even commissioned; they had falsified their documentation to say that it had already been done in order to meet their deadlines. The test couldn't be done while the reactor was operating, because it involved disconnecting it from the turbine; they did not have unlimited time to run the test. In April 1986, the reactor was being brought offline for maintenance and fuelling, which gave them an opportunity to run the safety test. In addition, Bryukhanov was up for a big promotion that would move him to Moscow. The expectation was that he would then appoint Fomin to manage the plant, and Dyatlov would get Fomin's job as chief engineer. So they needed to get the safety test completed during this maintenance shutdown before Bryukhanov left, otherwise someone might notice the oversight.
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** The test was supposed to have been completed before the reactor was even commissioned; they had falsified their documentation to say that it had already been done in order to meet their deadlines. The test couldn't be done while the reactor was operating, because it involved disconnecting it from the turbine; they did not have unlimited time to run the test. In April 1986, the reactor was being brought offline for maintenance and fuelling, fueling, which gave them an opportunity to run the safety test. In addition, Bryukhanov was up for a big promotion that would move him to Moscow. The expectation was that he would then appoint Fomin to manage the plant, and Dyatlov would get Fomin's job as chief engineer. So they needed to get the safety test completed during this maintenance shutdown before Bryukhanov left, otherwise someone might notice the oversight.
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** Because "Hazmat Suits" are fiction from the computer game VideoGame/HalfLife. Unless they are made of significant amounts of lead, or other very dense metals, they cannot do anything about radiation. What they can do something about is fallout. Fallout is dust, radioactive dust. You want to avoid getting it ''in'' you, and you do not want it to linger ''on'' you. So, what you need in a situation like this is — first — a breathing-filter and — then — you need distance. You are never supposed to operate in a contaminated area, you are only supposed to evacuate, sharpish. Once you are out, you throw away your clothes and scrub down. Now you ask "Why was the general given such a suit then, or the 'human robots' on the roof?" Because the general and the 'robots' had to go into a contaminated area and do something. For that reason, they made sure it would be quick and easy to wash them off afterwards, which is exactly what you see when the general returns. And the decontamination team in turn do not want to get washed off fallout that splashes onto them and gets stuck in ''their'' clothes — forcing them to throw out the clothes every day — so they too suit up for easy washing. "Yeah, but still, why not have suits anyway, for emergencies?" Because it is pointless. If you have not been contaminated, you stay out of the contaminated area. And if you have been contaminated, you are just bringing that contamination with you into the suit. Again: protect your lungs, get out, strip, wash down. A "Hazmat Suit" does not help you with that any more than a filtered respirator does.
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*** Except this was done because his family insisted his treatment was continued, including resuscitation. For some reason his case gets retold a lot as if he was a victim of inhumane doctors not wishing to give up.
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** And? The Soviet Union (at least in the show) made it crystal clear that it didn’t give a crap about the safety of the average worker (did you miss the intro where Dyatlov was being an ass to the guy going, “There is no core! The core is gone!”) especially if doing so would make them look weak. That’s why half the plot was about them trying to cover up the meltdown.
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** And? The Soviet Union (at least in the show) made it crystal clear that it didn’t give a crap about the safety of the average worker (did you miss the intro where Dyatlov was being an ass to the guy going, “There is no core! The core is gone!”) especially if doing so would make them look weak. That’s why half the plot was about them trying to cover up the meltdown.meltdown, and the point made that the true heroes were the average joes trying to make sure the disaster didn't get any worse than it already was.
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** And? The Soviet Union (at least in the show) made it crystal clear that it didn’t give a crap about the safety of the average worker (did you miss the intro where Dyatlov was being an ass to the guy going, “There is no core! The core is gone!”) especially if doing so would make them look weak. That’s why half the plot was about them trying to cover up the meltdown.
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[[folder: No Hazmat Suit in Chernobyl?]]
* Weren't there any Hazmat Suits in the power plant? The ones we see were clearly issued by the military later. Even if they didn't account for the place to blow up, they should at least expect a radiation leak once in a while. This seems very irresponsible, even for Soviet.
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* Weren't there any Hazmat Suits in the power plant? The ones we see were clearly issued by the military later. Even if they didn't account for the place to blow up, they should at least expect a radiation leak once in a while. This seems very irresponsible, even for Soviet.
