History Headscratchers / Cheers

22nd Feb '18 6:27:35 AM DoctorNemesis
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** When ''Cheers'' was ending, no one initially expected that a spin-off was going to happen. When Kelsey Grammer and the producers began planning their next project, they were originally intending to do something completely different (fun fact: Grammer was going to be a housebound paraplegic millionaire) but the network pressed them for a ''Cheers'' spin-off. So when they came up with ''Frasier'' everyone involved deliberately stripped away as much from ''Cheers'' as possible to avoid simply making a ''Cheers 2.0'' and getting slaughtered with endless ''Cheers'' comparisons by critics / viewers (hence the move to Seattle, the classy cue cards, the smooth-jazzy opening themes, Frasier being a radio host and basically everything about the show except for the presence of one Dr. Frasier Crane). Since no one planned for the spin-off, the Frasier / Lilith reunion was likely supposed to be their final "happy-ever-after" ending, but it ended up being undone when the creators of ''Frasier'' decided to go in a different direction. If anyone needs an in-universe explanation, it's simply that -- like many real-life couples -- Frasier and Lilith attempted a reconciliation, realised it wouldn't work, and just divorced for good.

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** When ''Cheers'' was ending, no one initially expected that a spin-off was going to happen. When Kelsey Grammer and the producers began planning their next project, they were originally intending to do something completely different (fun fact: Grammer was going to be a housebound paraplegic millionaire) but the network pressed them for a ''Cheers'' spin-off. So when they came up with ''Frasier'' everyone involved deliberately stripped away as much from ''Cheers'' as possible to avoid simply making a ''Cheers 2.0'' and getting slaughtered with endless ''Cheers'' comparisons by critics / viewers (hence the move to Seattle, the classy cue cards, the smooth-jazzy opening themes, Frasier being a radio host and basically everything about the show except for the presence of one Dr. Frasier Crane).Crane) and his marriage to Lilith was a casualty of this, since their dynamic would have likely reflected their relationship on ''Cheers'' too closely. Since no one planned for the spin-off, the Frasier / Lilith reunion was likely supposed to be their final "happy-ever-after" ending, but it ended up being undone when the creators of ''Frasier'' decided to go in a different direction. If anyone needs an in-universe explanation, it's simply that -- like many real-life couples -- Frasier and Lilith attempted a reconciliation, realised it wouldn't work, and just divorced for good.
14th Feb '18 5:07:28 AM DoctorNemesis
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** When ''Cheers'' was ending, no one initially expected that a spin-off was going to happen. When Kelsey Grammer and the producers began planning their next project, they were originally intending to do something completely different (fun fact: Grammer was going to be a housebound paraplegic millionaire), but the network pressed them for a ''Cheers'' spin-off, so when they came up with ''Frasier'' they deliberately stripped away as much as possible to avoid simply making a ''Cheers 2.0'' (and getting slaughtered with endless ''Cheers'' comparisons by critics / viewers). Since no one planned for the spin-off, the Frasier / Lilith reunion was likely supposed to be their final "happy-ever-after" ending, but it ended up being undone when the creators of ''Frasier'' decided to go in a different direction. If anyone needs an in-universe explanation, it's simply that -- like many real-life couples -- Frasier and Lilith attempted a reconciliation, realised it wouldn't work, and just divorced for good.

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** When ''Cheers'' was ending, no one initially expected that a spin-off was going to happen. When Kelsey Grammer and the producers began planning their next project, they were originally intending to do something completely different (fun fact: Grammer was going to be a housebound paraplegic millionaire), millionaire) but the network pressed them for a ''Cheers'' spin-off, so spin-off. So when they came up with ''Frasier'' they everyone involved deliberately stripped away as much from ''Cheers'' as possible to avoid simply making a ''Cheers 2.0'' (and and getting slaughtered with endless ''Cheers'' comparisons by critics / viewers).viewers (hence the move to Seattle, the classy cue cards, the smooth-jazzy opening themes, Frasier being a radio host and basically everything about the show except for the presence of one Dr. Frasier Crane). Since no one planned for the spin-off, the Frasier / Lilith reunion was likely supposed to be their final "happy-ever-after" ending, but it ended up being undone when the creators of ''Frasier'' decided to go in a different direction. If anyone needs an in-universe explanation, it's simply that -- like many real-life couples -- Frasier and Lilith attempted a reconciliation, realised it wouldn't work, and just divorced for good.
14th Feb '18 4:52:29 AM DoctorNemesis
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** When ''Cheers'' was ending, no one initially thought that a spin-off was going to happen. Kelsey Grammer had agreed to work on a new show with the same producers / writers but everyone was initially planning on doing something quite different (fun fact: Grammer was apparently going to play a house-bound paraplegic millionaire) because they didn't just want to do ''Cheers'': Mark Two. It was mainly because the network pressed for a ''Cheers'' spin-off that everyone decided to bring Frasier back, but they also proceeded to strip away as much of ''Cheers'' as possible to prevent critics and audiences from constantly comparing the two. So when that storyline happened on ''Cheers'', no one knew the spin-off would be a thing and that it essentially meant that Frasier and Lilith were going to be getting back together only to divorce quickly afterward. So they probably just assumed that they were giving Frasier and Lilith a "happy ever after" ending. If you're looking for an in-story explanation, then just chalk it down to an ill-fated attempt at reconciling that didn't take; plenty of couples separate, give it one more shot, decide that it's still not working and then divorce for good.

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** When ''Cheers'' was ending, no one initially thought expected that a spin-off was going to happen. When Kelsey Grammer had agreed to work on a new show with and the same producers / writers but everyone was initially began planning on doing their next project, they were originally intending to do something quite completely different (fun fact: Grammer was apparently going to play be a house-bound housebound paraplegic millionaire) because they didn't just want to do ''Cheers'': Mark Two. It was mainly because millionaire), but the network pressed them for a ''Cheers'' spin-off that everyone decided to bring Frasier back, but spin-off, so when they also proceeded to strip came up with ''Frasier'' they deliberately stripped away as much of as possible to avoid simply making a ''Cheers 2.0'' (and getting slaughtered with endless ''Cheers'' as possible to prevent comparisons by critics and audiences from constantly comparing the two. So when that storyline happened on ''Cheers'', / viewers). Since no one knew planned for the spin-off would spin-off, the Frasier / Lilith reunion was likely supposed to be their final "happy-ever-after" ending, but it ended up being undone when the creators of ''Frasier'' decided to go in a thing and different direction. If anyone needs an in-universe explanation, it's simply that it essentially meant that -- like many real-life couples -- Frasier and Lilith were going to be getting back together only to divorce quickly afterward. So they probably attempted a reconciliation, realised it wouldn't work, and just assumed that they were giving Frasier and Lilith a "happy ever after" ending. If you're looking for an in-story explanation, then just chalk it down to an ill-fated attempt at reconciling that didn't take; plenty of couples separate, give it one more shot, decide that it's still not working and then divorce divorced for good.
14th Feb '18 12:15:54 AM DoctorNemesis
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* Why did the writers bother getting Frasier and Lilith back together six months after she left him? Lilith never appeared on the show after they reunited, and they would be separated again by the time the spinoff began. It would have made so much more sense to let them divorce, given that it was going to happen anyway.

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* Why did the writers bother getting Frasier and Lilith back together six months after she left him? Lilith never appeared on the show after they reunited, and they would be separated again by the time the spinoff began. It would have made so much more sense to let them divorce, given that it was going to happen anyway.anyway.
** When ''Cheers'' was ending, no one initially thought that a spin-off was going to happen. Kelsey Grammer had agreed to work on a new show with the same producers / writers but everyone was initially planning on doing something quite different (fun fact: Grammer was apparently going to play a house-bound paraplegic millionaire) because they didn't just want to do ''Cheers'': Mark Two. It was mainly because the network pressed for a ''Cheers'' spin-off that everyone decided to bring Frasier back, but they also proceeded to strip away as much of ''Cheers'' as possible to prevent critics and audiences from constantly comparing the two. So when that storyline happened on ''Cheers'', no one knew the spin-off would be a thing and that it essentially meant that Frasier and Lilith were going to be getting back together only to divorce quickly afterward. So they probably just assumed that they were giving Frasier and Lilith a "happy ever after" ending. If you're looking for an in-story explanation, then just chalk it down to an ill-fated attempt at reconciling that didn't take; plenty of couples separate, give it one more shot, decide that it's still not working and then divorce for good.
8th Feb '18 9:25:24 AM Michael1973
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\n----* Why did the writers bother getting Frasier and Lilith back together six months after she left him? Lilith never appeared on the show after they reunited, and they would be separated again by the time the spinoff began. It would have made so much more sense to let them divorce, given that it was going to happen anyway.
13th Dec '17 9:34:34 PM RavenWilder
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** In the early going, at least, he was dating two other women at the same time he was dating Rebecca. Presumably his needs were being sated there.
23rd Oct '17 7:56:49 AM DoctorNemesis
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** There's also the simple existence of a thing called 'hyperbole'. When people say Sam "can't have platonic relationships with women", this doesn't necessarily mean that they are literally saying that he is completely and totally incapable of having anything along the lines of a platonic relationship with a woman and it's an unbreakable law of the universe, they're just emphasising what a huge skirt-chaser he is.

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** There's also the simple existence of a little thing called 'hyperbole'. When people say Sam "can't have platonic relationships with women", this doesn't necessarily mean that they are literally saying that he is completely and totally incapable of having anything along the lines of a platonic relationship with a woman and it's an unbreakable law of the universe, they're just emphasising what a huge skirt-chaser he is.
16th Jun '17 7:57:38 AM DoctorNemesis
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** There's also the simple existence of a thing called 'hyperbole'. When people say Sam "can't have platonic relationships with women", this doesn't necessarily mean that they are literally saying that he is completely and totally incapable of having anything along the lines of a platonic relationship with a woman and it's an unbreakable law of the universe, they're just emphasising what a huge skirt-chaser he is.
22nd May '17 1:36:58 PM Overfiend
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** Sam probably thinks of Carla as a sister. That's another line he won't cross- unofficial or not.
22nd May '17 1:30:30 PM Overfiend
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** Not meaning to trivialize the struggle with alcoholism, but I imagine it'd be sort of like a person who works in a pizza parlor; you might love it in the beginning, but after awhile you hate being around the product as you smell it all the time, and you get tired of it as you equate it with work.


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** Norm is there all the time. He knows every aspect of the bar and the business. He picks up the slack. He even has his own set of keys.
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