History Headscratchers / CarpeJugulum

21st Jun '16 7:27:33 PM NanoMoose
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** The Magpyrs didn't actually ''stop'' viciously killing people once Escrow was established. Nor did they make efforts to prevent humans being jerks to each other or make life easier for humans in any way. They were also always there, as oppressive authorities, whereas the Old Count just turned up every few decades for a few months as a villainous beastie. Different degrees of terror.



* The phoenix's anti-evil flame. A great deal is made about how the early Omnian church would burn witches (or "old ladies who disagreed") and how Nanny Ogg (and Granny, to some extent) antagonizes Oats because of that. But Granny has no problem at all letting a third party --again, the phoenix-- arbitrarily decide what is good and what is evil, and ruthlessly chase and burn the latter to ashes. While she DOES see things in shades of [[BlackAndWhiteMorality black and white-that-might've-gotten-dirty]], the phoenix's merciless persecution of the vampyres sounds just as bad as what the pre-Brutha Omnians did. And if the bird doesn't tolerate evil, does that mean the Old Count (which it spared) is the "dirty-white" kind of good instead of evil?

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* The phoenix's anti-evil flame. A great deal is made about how the early Omnian church would burn witches (or "old ladies who disagreed") and how Nanny Ogg (and Granny, to some extent) antagonizes Oats because of that. But Granny has no problem at all letting a third party --again, -- again, the phoenix-- phoenix -- arbitrarily decide what is good and what is evil, and ruthlessly chase and burn the latter to ashes. While she DOES see things in shades of [[BlackAndWhiteMorality black and white-that-might've-gotten-dirty]], the phoenix's merciless persecution of the vampyres sounds just as bad as what the pre-Brutha Omnians did. And if the bird doesn't tolerate evil, does that mean the Old Count (which it spared) is the "dirty-white" kind of good instead of evil?




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** The Magpyrs did kill at least one phoenix. It may have just recognised a threat in them and not in the Old Count.
28th Dec '15 10:45:44 AM Discar
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** Because it isn't a matter of taxation. Its offencive on a phylosophical level. The logic behind taxation is "society (police, roads etc) needs paying for, everyone chips in". Taxes are, more or less, a way of adding to the common good of the country (in theory anyway, politics being what they are). The logic behind this is "I want a reliable source of food." No matter what the rules are it turns people into animals and what's more expects them to like it.

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** Because it isn't a matter of taxation. Its offencive It's offensive on a phylosophical philosophical level. The logic behind taxation is "society (police, roads etc) needs paying for, everyone chips in". Taxes are, more or less, a way of adding to the common good of the country (in theory anyway, politics being what they are). The logic behind this is "I want a reliable source of food." No matter what the rules are it turns people into animals and what's more expects them to like it.
19th Dec '15 1:27:16 PM Discar
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* When the Vampires gathered the villagers to collect blood did drain the people completely or just take a pint or so? Honestly,if it's the latter I can't say it's so horrible. That's assuming it's limited to the healthy in general and non-nursing women in particular along side with a once every two months restriction. At that point it just becomes an alternate form of taxation, a bit gruesome but perhaps acceptable if you're a good ruler.

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When the Vampires gathered the villagers to collect blood did drain the people completely or just take a pint or so? Honestly,if Honestly, if it's the latter I can't say it's so horrible. That's assuming it's limited to the healthy in general and non-nursing women in particular along side with a once every two months restriction. At that point it just becomes an alternate form of taxation, a bit gruesome but perhaps acceptable if you're a good ruler.



*** But the people were perfectly willing to restore the old Count to power despite the fact that he actually *killed* people for their blood as opposed to just draining draining limited amounts from them, I;d say that's much worse.
**** Yeah, but at least it wasn't expected that they ''like'' it, and he didn't pretend it was for their own good. The old count made it a dramatic adventure where someone got to be a hero at the end (and he didn't actually kill his victims either, going by comments the characters make), but what Magpyr did was treat them like cattle.
* OK, this may sound like being purist, but, when in Discworld/{{Carpe Jugulum}} Agnes asks Vlad wheter vampirism is a "pyramid selling system", is she reffering to the one selling included, or just a Ponzi scheme? I guess the latter from the context but I'm not sure...

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*** ** But the people were perfectly willing to restore the old Count to power despite the fact that he actually *killed* people for their blood as opposed to just draining draining limited amounts from them, I;d say that's much worse.
**** ** Yeah, but at least it wasn't expected that they ''like'' it, and he didn't pretend it was for their own good. The old count made it a dramatic adventure where someone got to be a hero at the end (and he didn't actually kill his victims either, going by comments the characters make), but what Magpyr did was treat them like cattle.
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OK, this may sound like being purist, but, when in Discworld/{{Carpe Jugulum}} Agnes asks Vlad wheter whether vampirism is a "pyramid selling system", is she reffering referring to the one selling included, or just a Ponzi scheme? I guess the latter from the context but I'm not sure...




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*** Huh. I (the troper who wrote the paragraph starting with "*shrug*" near the top of this section) recall that now, and I had imagined it to be a (two-edged) axe with a handle sticking out both the top and bottom of the head. The shape would be like a latin cross with the head as long as the post and the arms as blades. That does make sense, though, especially considering the style of Pratchett's humor.

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*** ** Huh. I (the troper who wrote the paragraph starting with "*shrug*" near the top of this section) recall that now, and I had imagined it to be a (two-edged) axe with a handle sticking out both the top and bottom of the head. The shape would be like a latin cross with the head as long as the post and the arms as blades. That does make sense, though, especially considering the style of Pratchett's humor.




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** The implicathion is that he doethn't drink anything that's only a meathly 20 or 30 proof.

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** The implicathion is that he doethn't drink anything that's only a meathly 20 or 30 proof.proof.

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28th Sep '15 9:22:10 PM LBHills
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** So what? I don't like tomatoes but I will put ketchup on my chips.

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** So what? I don't like tomatoes but I will put ketchup on my chips.chips.
** The implicathion is that he doethn't drink anything that's only a meathly 20 or 30 proof.
28th Sep '15 7:39:19 AM SarahSyna
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**** Yeah, but at least it wasn't expected that they ''like'' it, and he didn't pretend it was for their own good. The old count made it a dramatic adventure where someone got to be a hero at the end, but what Magpyr did was treat them like cattle. It was the equivalent of beating a servant and making them thank you for it. The old count wasn't good, but Magpyr was a worse kind of evil.

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**** Yeah, but at least it wasn't expected that they ''like'' it, and he didn't pretend it was for their own good. The old count made it a dramatic adventure where someone got to be a hero at the end, end (and he didn't actually kill his victims either, going by comments the characters make), but what Magpyr did was treat them like cattle. It was the equivalent of beating a servant and making them thank you for it. The old count wasn't good, but Magpyr was a worse kind of evil.cattle.
28th Sep '15 7:29:23 AM SarahSyna
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****Yeah, but at least it wasn't expected that they ''like'' it, and he didn't pretend it was for their own good. The old count made it a dramatic adventure where someone got to be a hero at the end, but what Magpyr did was treat them like cattle. It was the equivalent of beating a servant and making them thank you for it. The old count wasn't good, but Magpyr was a worse kind of evil.
18th Jul '15 2:33:08 AM Tanrage
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***But the people were perfectly willing to restore the old Count to power despite the fact that he actually *killed* people for their blood as opposed to just draining draining limited amounts from them, I;d say that's much worse.
11th Jun '15 9:54:11 AM RegShoe
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* The Magpyr's Igor doeth not drink... wine. He doeth, however, drink brandy like thtink. Brandy is just distilled wine, yes?

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* The Magpyr's Igor doeth not drink... wine. He doeth, however, drink brandy like thtink. Brandy is just distilled wine, yes?yes?
** So what? I don't like tomatoes but I will put ketchup on my chips.
11th Jun '15 9:50:41 AM RegShoe
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** Because it isn't a matter of taxation. Its offencive on a phylosophical level. The logic behind taxation is "society (police, roads etc) needs paying for, everyone chips in". Taxes are, more or less, a way of adding to the common good of the country (in theory anyway, politics being what they are). The logic behind this is "I want a reliable source of food." No matter what the rules are it turns people into animals and what's more expects them to like it.
19th Mar '15 11:19:35 AM coinneach
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** Persecution is directing violence or injustice towards someone because of who or what they are regardless of their actual behavior, opinions and actions. This is most certainly not the case of the phoenix and the vampires, who have committed quite a lot of evil, if you recall. And we're told the phoenix burns in the presence of evil, so if the vampires didn't deserve it, they would simply not burn, just like Granny and Oats do not. I'm sure that if Otto Chriek was there at the castle, the flames would not hurt him, because while a vampire, he's not evil.

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** Persecution is directing violence or injustice towards someone because of who or what they are regardless of their actual behavior, opinions and actions. This is most certainly not the case of the phoenix and the vampires, who have committed quite a lot of evil, if you recall. And we're told the phoenix burns in the presence of evil, so if the vampires didn't deserve it, they would simply not burn, just like Granny and Oats do not. I'm sure that if Otto Chriek was there at the castle, the flames would not hurt him, because while a vampire, he's not evil.evil.
* The Magpyr's Igor doeth not drink... wine. He doeth, however, drink brandy like thtink. Brandy is just distilled wine, yes?
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