History Headscratchers / CaptainAmericaCivilWar

** The problem is that if you look at he UN in recent history, and it has had problems getting ANYTHING done because the mere FIFTEEN member Security Council cannot agree on anything. UN decisions are very much motivated by global politics, and you commonly see the US vetoing Russia and China's proposals and vice versa. Now you're asking a governing body of over a HUNDRED countries to try and agree on something? What if one nation vetoes the Avengers' deployment to another nation because it happens to be a rival? The UN today is rife with the very thing Cap fears, men giving agendas precedence over doing the right thing.

** Steve's line about the "safest hands" also calls back to Stark himself circa Iron Man 2-era. The big difference is that Stark just no longer believes that.

** Its gets worse, in ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'' it has been revealed that not only do the Film/{{The Avengers|2012}} have to sign and register, but any and all unregistered enhanced have to submit themselves for identification and documentation. Fingerprints, power base, personnel history and details. Who you are, what you can do, your family, your friends, your blood type, where you live and where you work all taken down and stored in a Government database. Basically, if you're powered or enhanced in any way and want to be left alone, tough biscuit. You will be documented and put on a list. They tell you its a safe list but in the world of Snowden, security leaks and hacking you may have to take that with a pinch of salt. Not only that, who's to say that certain governments won't use this as leverage to [[BlackmailIsSuchAnUglyWord ''volunteer'' the services of those on the list for the interests of their Country]]. Or terrorist groups who manage to learn the identity of those enhanced and [[IHaveYourWife those they love, using this to force them to act as super-powered weapons]]. Or people like the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Watchdogs and those like them]] who want to kill those different use the list as a target data base.

** I ''strongly'' disagree. I've been in Tony ''and'' Steve places at roughly the same time of my life, basically telling my father to fuck off before his death, and then deciding if would be a great idea to try and hide the true cause of his death from my half-brothers. Needless to say, it was a complete bust. Tony obviously hate himself for being a vicious little shit when he was younger, and being absolutely unable to change it. Remember his father recording from ''Iron Man 2?'' I'm impressed he didn't immediately start crying. '''But''', he is a grown man, and deserve to know the truth, as it's part of the healing process. I'm sorry Steve, you're many things, but not a psychologist. You could have organized a small reunion with Tony. Pepper, Rhodes and Banner could have been here to help him through. Then tell him the truth. Howard was a dead man before he even left for that trip. Yes, Bucky was holding the gun, but HYDRA pulled the trigger. Bucky has been literally buried alive within his own mind for more then half a century. Mind controlled and manipulated, with literally no way to fight back. Was Hawkeye blamed for the people he killed under Loki orders? Is Banner blamed for the Hulk actions? 'My Would the event of Age of Ultron happened if Wanda had not fucked around in Tony's brain?''. Tony would be angry at first, but he would eventually cool down. And then, have him check in with a real psychiatrist. But instead, freaking Captain America act like the dirtiest coward, convincing himself that the truth wouldn't help. Really? The ultimate paragon of virtue decide to lie by omission?
** Considering how badly and completely the events of Avengers screwed up Tony, I'm not sure Tony would have just dealt with it and went to psychiatrist. After all, his PTSD didn't even get him to go there. Hawkeye may not have been blamed for his actions, but we do know and see that Banner is internationally target for manhunt, he hates himself over Hulk killing people and was damn depressed because of his actions when brainwashed. Well, Tony did have the Ultron Program in development already before getting the Scepter and he seemed quite okay with not telling anyone but Banner about it.

** I'm not even sure why he thought it would be bad. It wasn't to protect Bucky, because Steve didn't find out until Tony did that he was their killer. He just knew it was Hydra. Why wouldn't he tell Tony it was Hydra when they were going up against Hydra?
** I'm still a bit confused on that. Steve learned from Zola it was Hydra. He never specifically stated it was the Winter soldier. When Tony urges Steve to stop lying, Steve reluctantly say he knew it was him. Did he find out between the movies? Then again, it's heavily implied Zemo knew from the start the content of the report he was seeking. Since he would have gotten that knowledge from the Hydra files Natasha leaked out on the Internet..........it mean the truth about Howard and Maria Stark "accident" has been floating around the net for at least two years. That Tony didn't find out on his own is actually fairly impressive.
** Steve suspected Bucky killed Tony's parents because Zola heavily suggested so in TWS: he was talking about "incidents" happening and he shows them images of Bucky's metal arm and Bucky in sniping position before a picture of Howard Stark. Also, the "truth" about the accidents was not in the files released by Natasha. What Zemo found was a list of various mission reports from Bucky's time as the Winter Soldier, including one from December 1991. However, the list didn't specify what the assignments were, which is why he had to find the Hydra agent and then get to Bucky himself to confirm his suspicions. Tony didn't find out on his own because he most likely didn't look into those files as he had no interest in them - none of them really overtly talked about his parents; Zemo had to dig and research to make the connection.

** I think it was a combination of things. Tony doesn't handle trauma well and is known to act impulsively. In Iron Man 3, when Happy was nearly killed, Tony challenged a known terrorist on the news and gave him his home address. Steve may or may not have known if Bucky killed Howard and Maria, but he might have feared he did given how Winter Soldier was sent to kill Fury. Steve probably never dug too deep to see if Bucky killed Howard or not, but if he could have thought telling Tony could have lead him to looking more closely at the released Hydra/SHIELD files to find the answer. If Tony did find out Bucky was responsible Steve feared Tony would go after Bucky to try to kill him. Steve made a bad call. He might have had the best intentions in mind, but went about it the wrong way. It is easy for friends to withhold bad news thinking it is for their friend's best interest, but failing to realize they could cause more harm by keeping information.
** That's my take as well. Zemo's plan was completely hinged on Steve not telling Tony about Howard and Maria's murder, or even him telling them about Bucky and asking ALL of the Avengers (not just Sam) to help. IF he did and IF that lead to further digging into those encrypted files then Zemo's plan was toast as the Avengers would have found the Hydra Agent, found the red trigger book and maybe even found Bucky and got him help before things went to heck in [=AoU=].

* The big six vs six battle would have been far shorter if she had remembered her illusions. Her powers have already been shown to go through vibranium so everyone in the pro-registration side, sans Vision, could've been knocked out by her; yet they had Wanda rely exclusively on her telekinesis. It could've been shown that Vision has the power to dispel her illusions after she tried (or something like that) to keep the battle going, but she didn't even try.

** There was a scene in ''Age of Ultron'' where she was shown using her powers from a distance to warn the Sokovians to evacuate. The new team just wanted to downplay the telepathic powers as much as possible without actually retconning them out, so they're never used or mentioned. Strictly speaking there's no explanation for why she isn't using it.
** I interpreted that scene as her forcing them to. All of them go dead eyed, drop everything, and walk out calmly. Unless she can control minds on a mass scale, there's no way they'd react that calmly to a telepathic message warning them of their destruction.

** It was the wrong situation to be using her telepathy. On the ship in Age of Ultron she was using stealth to distract the minds of the Avengers, and had back-up from Quicksilver when Hawkeye resisted. Back in Sokovia when she did her part to evacuate the people Wanda wasn't under any threat at that moment. At the airport battle in Civil War she's got six individuals to help contend with, all with different abilities and fighting styles who would probably resist mind control. Her telekinesis requires intense concentration anyway, as shown War Machine broke that concentration when she tried to stop the rubble falling over the entrance to the hangar.
** We already know they wouldn't "probably resist" her mind control, she already used it against some of them. In Klaue's ship she put them all (except Hawkeye and including ''Thor'') out of commission without really having to concentrate; literally just a movement of her hand for each of them. Just one example, during the airport battle, where she could've used her telepathy but didn't is when Hawkeye distracted Iron Man so she could attack him. But instead of hypnotizing him she went for telekinesis (it actually bears questioning why she didn't just grab Iron Man himself and slammed him around like a rag doll instead of throwing cars at him, but that's a different matter entirely). As for War Machine's attack, that's an odd example, what she's doing at that exact moment does require continuous concentration because it was a continuous task; she doesn't need that much concentration for grabbing someone and throwing them away, like she did with Black Widow. That one she did outright nonchalantly, before chewing out Clint for going easy.

** Hawkeye didn't actually resist, he stopped her before she had the chance to try it on him. As for "covered people resisting", her powers have gone through vibranium before (like by ripping Ultron's "heart" out). Hell, she completely dominated a creature made entirely of vibranium (and wielding the Mind Stone) in this very same movie. That said, I would accept ItOnlyWorksOnce ''if she had at least tried.'' But she had a clear chance to try it on, at least, Stark but didn't.

* Considering the last time she used her telepathy willy nilly [[PersonOfMassDestruction lead to Ultron, mass destruction and death in her hometown.]] As well as the [[TwinTelepathy death of her brother she felt half a city away.]] It is more likely that Wanda own reluctance to use her telepathy is that she can [[FreudianExcuse refuses to use it after it caused so much trauma last time.]]

** Maybe it's more difficult to do without preparation? In [[Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron Age of Ultron]] she was in the middle of the street without interference reaching out her influence. Hard to do in the fight in the airport with multiple moving parts and people, if she tried to do that then she would be a stationary target. Also when she first used her powers against Steve, Natasha and Thor they were in close proximity and caught unaware. Being alert to her presence may be a factor. If her target is aware of her presence it may be harder for her to control them. Of course years later this is [[NextTierPowerUp no longer an issue.]]

* I know Scott is a fanboy of Captain America and the Avengers, but he's also a felon on probation who just spent one entire movie trying to reform himself and be there for his daughter. It's sheer luck that Paxton came around and gave him a second chance, but why throw that second chance away, even if it's Captain America asking for help?

** On a similar note, what about Helen Cho? She was able to heal Hawkeye's wound in ''[=AoU=]'', which was implied to be fairly serious, it's implied that the reason she survived Ultron blasting her for messing with the cradle was by using her own tech to heal, she made an entire body for Vision... surely she could help with Rhodey's recovery? A replacement vertebrae, assistance with damaged nerves, or something?

* Why couldn't the main villain just send Tony an email? If I'm understanding right, his whole plan was to get Cap and Tony fighting by showing Tony proof that his parents were killed by Bucky. It seems obvious that he had to have known about it before he set his plan into motion--bombing the UN and infiltrating German law enforcement at the highest level isn't exactly something you do on a whim. So presumably he had some sort of proof that the operation happened, who was targeted, and who did the killing. If that's the case, why does he need to get Cap, Bucky, and Tony to the bunker?
** Even more to the point, Tony hasn't had his AI at work decrypting and sorting through the publicly available HYDRA data since the events of Winter Soldier? It's implied at the beginning of Age of Ultron that the Avengers have been fighting HYDRA for a while, yet some random schmo manages to find a very specific piece of information that all of Tony's resources managed to miss? He's not (as far as we know) involved with HYDRA at all, so there's no way he could have just known it was there to look for it. Was it in the book with Bucky's command phrase? But then why not just mail the book to Stark?

** I don't think we're supposed to assume that Zemo knew that ''Cap'' knew about Hydra killing the Starks, since he's never made that fact public, and the only other Avenger present for that reveal was Black Widow (who is good at compartmentalizing, and probably didn't tell Tony for the same reason that Steve didn't). If we assume that A) Zemo needed to get to the Siberian compound in order to locate the physical evidence (as well as execute the five other Winter Soldiers), i.e. the tape, and B) his plan initially would have been to send it to Tony, instead of all of them catching up to him, Zemo's scheme looks a lot less fortuitous. Either way Zemo's plan made sense and would have worked based on the information he had. The problem with the final part of the movie was that the writing didn't make this clear, turning what would have been a cool gambit into a coincidence that just worked in Zemo's favor. As for Tony not finding the thread that would have led him to Karpov... do you have any idea just ''how much'' red tape and paperwork there would have been in all of S.H.I.E.L.D.'s secure files? Not to mention, between the last two films, the Avengers were all busy going after Hydra for Loki's Scepter. Tony had better things to do than dig up archived S.H.I.E.L.D. files, especially if he didn't know that his parents' death would be in there somewhere.

** There's a chain-link fence next to the camera, making it probable Bucky just happened to crash Howard by a business or something. Bad luck is all.
** I'm wondering why The Winter Soldier went to the trouble of making it look like a car accident (at least, by dragging Howard Stark back into the car), then put a bullet in a security camera. Maybe Hydra had arranged for some of its agents in SHIELD to be responsible for the investigation into the apparent death of someone that has close links with them?

** Not to mention, if he assassinates the Avengers, he turns them into martyrs and would definitely unite the surviving Avengers against him. As he said in the film, external attacks against the Avengers won't work because they'll eventually rebuild and come back stronger. Destroy them from within and they will be fractured forever.
*** Exactly. The Netflix heroes, the agents of shield, the inhumans, Adlanteans, various aliens, they could all take the Avengers' place if they were killed by an enemy, but Zemo's plan would not just kill the foremost symbol of superheroism and meta-humans, but would greatly discredit them.
** Also Zemo says he at least thought about just outright attacking them but figured it was impossible for him. If Loki and Ultron couldn't do it with their armies no way a regular soldier could.

** In RealLife, it's common for VIP's, the wealthy, celebs and those who are security conscious to buy and use "common" cars and trucks. Outside the US an American car attracts the wrong kind of attention. In the US (and yes even Europe), a flashy expensive car sticks out. Howard wanted to be as low key as possible. In TheSeventies and TheEighties, Washington DC still had high crime rates. From people who want to get into a wreck for insurance fraud to car thieves and just plain ole' terrorists. Howard thought he had a "cover" and was blending in. Alas, HYDRA was one step ahead, the car may have even be registered at SHIELD headquarters so they knew the make, model and license plate.
** Also, while the 90-91 Fleetwood isn't exactly state of the art, it was at the time the most luxurious American car available. Maybe Howard is a Buy-American kind of guy? As to not having a driver, Tony is at least as wealthy as his father, and does his own driving. It's worth noting also that the big American luxury sedans were common vehicles for [=VIPs=] because their body-on-frame design made it relatively easy to up-armor them (though Howard's car seemed to be stock).

** You're saying HYDRA, which has infiltrated the largest and most powerful intelligence agency on the planet, couldn't doctor an autopsy report?

** Did Tony ever say that he knew Bucky strangled his mother? He saw Winter Soldier crash the car and kill his father brutally. It's not hard to put two and two together.
** You can audibly hear Maria Stark calling out for Howard during the moment as well as the fact Howard crawls out of the car telling Bucky to help his wife, and then after Howard is killed we see Bucky walk over to the passenger side of the car to which he does something that ultimately quietens Maria. The film footage likely would have shown Bucky at least walking to the other side of the car, so it's not a stretch for Tony to work out Bucky also murdered his mother.
*** The video didn't have audio. While Stark starts to watch the video the camera shifts to Bucky, who's clearly looking discomforted. It then shifts to color and audio scenes of the murder. We're seeing Bucky's MEMORIES, from his perspective. All Tony saw was Bucky caving in his father's face and then moving around to his mother's side. That's plenty enough, though. If he knew that his father recognized Bucky as a friend before he killed him, well, I doubt Bucky would have gotten far before being sliced into bits by a laser.
** Even if Tony's mother had died on the "accident", and not by having her windpipes smashed, ''the crash was caused by the Winter Soldier, deliberately as a murder attempt''. The blood is figuratively on his hands regardless of literal cause of death.
*** Indeed. The Winter Soldier clearly killed her. Whether it was by causing the crash or with his hands afterwards is just a detail.

** From the government's perspective, it's a neat summation of the entire problem with the Avengers. Captain America decided to take a young, inexperienced woman, still learning her powers, into effectively a war zone, and her [[FailedASpotCheck poor situational awareness]] got people killed. If she had been better trained for such eventualities, she would have been able to move the bomb somewhere completely harmless. Instead, she was only thinking about saving Cap's life, not paying attention to where the bomb would go off, and overestimating her ability to contain the explosion itself and avoid collateral damage. In short, she screwed up, and it's Cap's fault for not making sure she was ready for a mission like this.

** Teaser material from ''Film/BlackPanther2018'' makes it pretty much explicit. T'Challa's got superhuman abilities thanks to some Wakandan chemical compounds.

* While in the comics, Captain America was enhanced only up to "peak human", MCU's Cap is very obviously superhuman. Even in his first movie he's able to hoist a large motorcycle overhead along with several women on it, and if Schmidt's own strength is any indication, he could punch through metal armor. But even if he's bracing his legs against a landing platform, keeping a helicopter from taking off almost entirely through upper-body strength is ''far beyond'' those earlier feats, and he's now taking repulser blasts to the chest with less recovery time than an Asgardian. Just how strong is this incarnation of Cap?

** Would Steve have learned cursive in school? A cursive r can sometimes look like an n, and if the mailman doesn't have the best eyesight it's an easy mistake to make.
** ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyVol2'' hints that all the Stan Lee cameos may actually be just one guy. Meaning that Stan the Mailman almost certainly did that just to troll Tony.

* It's confirmed during the funeral scene that Sharon/Agent 13 is Sharon Carter, niece (or great-niece, more likely) of Peggy. Problem is, it's clearly stated in ''Series/AgentCarter'' (and confirmed in ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'') that Peggy had only one sibling, her brother Michael, who was KOA. Sure, Sharon could be related through Peggy's husband, presumably Daniel, but then she would have a different last name. She openly said she didn't want people to know about her relationship to Peggy, so it seems unlikely she would have taken the name Carter by choice. So what are we missing? (Or was this a planned thread for the now non-existent Season 3 of ''Series/AgentCarter''?)

** Considering that Wanda put a serious whammy on five out of the six Avengers, maybe they're not in a huge hurry to let her go poking around in someone else's noggin?

* Why does Tony make such a big deal about Aunt May not looking "old enough to be a aunt" as he puts it. While it's true that this portrayal is younger than previous incarnations, the actress was about 50 at the time of filming and in fact a few months older than Robert Downy Jr. That's a perfectly reasonable age to be a aunt of a teenager.

** Tony has a ''terrible'' history of retaining his reasoning or his temper. Iron Man 2 is two hours of him acting unreasonable because he's dying. Iron Man 3 is two hours of him acting unreasonable because of his PTSD and his friend being injured. In Avengers, he immediately attacks Thor instead of talking things out. In Age of Ultron, his response to having the Vision's creation interrupted is to start a fight. So just ''where'' are you getting the idea that Tony would show any kind of restraint whatsoever when confronted with his parents' murderer?

** He's got Black Panther on his side. Black Panther controls the entire Wakandan army, including their version of the CIA. And he's probably got Nat on his side too. So after a few weeks or months of planning, they found a way to deactivate the alarms or whatever. Just because Cap is the only guy we see at the end doesn't mean he's working alone. He could have all sorts of help offscreen.

** ''Series/TheFalconAndTheWinterSoldier'' reveals that Zemo is a wealthy baron like in the comics, so he could use his influence to gain access to things that might not be publicly known.

** ''Series/TheFalconAndTheWinterSoldier'' rivals that Zemo is a wealthy baron like in the comics, so he could use his influence to gain access to things that might not be publicly known.

** True, but given that Bucky hadn't fully regained his humanity and was overly paranoid, he probably wouldn't have just surrendered at first and would have provoked the police into shooting. The fact that the police in question were ''German'' - the very people he'd been fighting a war against the last time his mind was wholly his own - probably didn't help.

** Ross tells Tony off for "that shit you pulled at the airport." While he was clearly talking about the excessive property damage, he could have been including "recruiting a minor" or just "recruiting some new Gifted we've never heard of" as well.

** While the UN problem is a valid one, it is an unrealistic response considering the world the UN finds itself in. It is a world where global extinction events occur over a matter of hours not days. There is literally no time to debate, consider and weigh options. If the UN had presented the accords as a talking point seeking input from Steve and co, to find a way for rapid response with oversight in regards to enhanced threats that Steve would have been more receptive. The UN concerns are valid but so are Steve. It’s not just a matter of oversight but options, using the real world as an example takes a different slant as the real world in this case in the MCU. Whereas stated extinction events occur over hours and immediate response is needed. Not debated endlessly, if the UN and government bodies where more trust worthy that Steve would be more receptive. But after the [[Film/TheAvengers2012 Battle of New York,]] [[Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier Project Oversight,]] and real life history Steve refusing to sign is understandable. That is not to say he would not have, with Tony’s influence they could have changed it to be more practical. But presented heavy handed as it was his refusal to sign is logical, unfortunately events out of both he and Tony’s control prevented them from making a compromise that would have led to him signing. Collateral damage in the MCU is unfortunate and terrible, Steve is not denying that. If a solution was presented that allowed him to protect the Earth without compromising response time would have signed. He didn’t because he knows as a good soldier in certain situations hesitation leads to someone [[Film/AvengersInfinityWar like Thanos showing up wiping out half of life. ]]

* How did Zemo get away with pretending to be the psychiatrist who was to interview Bucky? Wouldn't the government officials know what the psychiatrist looked like or ask for an ID? Wouldn't they only allow someone with the proper security clearance to see Bucky? Multiple re-watches suggest he probably just had some fake paperwork, maybe a fake passport and a UN ID card or something, but NOTHING MORE COMPLEX THAN THAT. This movie takes place after Winter Soldier revealed just some of the advanced ways in which to confirm or conceal identities this universe has; Fingerprint, biometric, DNA and retinal scans to confirm ID, holographic meshes you can wear over your face to FAKE ID etc.This movies opens with Cap and co. chasing down some outlying Hydra agents meaning...there are outlying Hydra agents who pose a threat to decent people. Its only logical that the CIA or whomever is running things would have strenuous and lengthy processes for identifying any new visitors to their base, particularly the one guy who is going to have the most important conversation with Bucky that anyone has ever had. But from the look of it, all Zemo did was make a fake passport. He didn't change the original doctors personnel files to add his own photos, because Tony is able to see the real pictures later on without any trouble.Presumably he didn't change anything else in the file like fingerprints or biometric scans as it would surely be mentioned. This coalition of international intelligence agencies who are only 3 years removed from learning HYDRA had infiltrated every corner of the world over 70 years and apparently the dude at the door...just checked Zemo's passport and waved him through. No checking of databases. No scans or more involved identity checks. Apparently no one at this base bothered to learn with the original doctor looked like. No one was sent to meet him at the airport. No one just had a file photo of the man on hand. A link to his facebook profile. Nothing. Nothing. A random stranger turned up at the base, flashed some fake papers and was allowed access to the Winter Soldier.

*** Under those circumstances there is no real reason to keep May in the dark either. The general excuse is roughly "if you knew, people would find out you knew and you'd be in danger." Of course it never works but that is the rationale. In this setting she'd have top of the line security. Also it's unlikely their identities would be public which might in the long term make Aunt May safer. Instead of Spiderman working on his own in New York and developing intimate relationships with his rogues they would send different heroes at different times. The UN Counsel or whatever group would officially order the heroes out would gather enemies. Attacking Aunt May would at best be about as effective as kidnapping a Navy SEALs wife.

** Iron man didn't hurt Thor only annoy him. Captain America fight with Loki does not provide data on his ability as the fight didn't finish and no one came out on top. Another factor is experience, compare the fighting style of [=WW2=] Captain America to one who has extra training thanks to SHIELD and his years as an Avenger. Then you see that Cap PowerBase is formidable thanks to his strength and skill set.

** Its highly doubtful that the Raft is 100% self sufficient, it would need deliveries of food/supplies and staff rotations on a regular basis, either Black Panther or Nat would be able to help Steve work out when and where the deliveries came from, he gets on one of those cargo planes/boats and gets a ride in, now if Steve was successful in KOing all the guards, preventing a lockdown or launch of the plane that got him there, then getting the gang out of the cells would be almost cake walk. The hard part would be getting off the Raft itself, and hoping that Ross didn't scramble back up to get there. Steve is quite lucky that Tony decided to put Ross on hold there.

* Zemo's plan hinges on the fact that Cap has such deep friendship with Bucky that he would do anything to protect him. But how does Zemo know Cap cares about him so deeply? The HYDRA files Natasha released to the internet may have revealed the Winter Soldier's true identity to Zemo (though it seems a lot of information about the Winter Soldier was too classified to be within those files, since they didn't include details on his missions, and Zemo had to question Bucky himself about that). And after learning his identity, Zemo could've found out that Bucky served under Cap in the Howling Commandos (though the official records would show Bucky joined the Commandos only shortly before he died, which would lead one to assume Cap didn't have the chance to bond with him as deeply as with the other Commandos)... But it still doesn't mean Zemo could just assume Cap is so close to Bucky he will sacrifice everything for him. The only person alive who could've told Zemo about their friendship was Peggy Carter, and it seems unlikely she would've revealed such confidential details about the Winter Soldier and Cap to some random stranger, not to mention that ''Winter Solider'' showed she had Alzheimers and her condition had probably gotten worse by the time Zemo put his plan into motion, which would have been after ''Age of Ultron''.

** Zemo did ''not'' learn about the HYDRA base from the HYDRA files on the internet. The internet files just led him to the agent in Cleveland, and even then I'm sure they didn't say "this guy is in Cleveland". They probably just gave him a few bread crumbs to follow and he eventually figured it out and tracked the guy down. He also knew, from the files, that the guy dealt with the Winter Soldier, and that there was a mission of some kind in 1991. Zemo surmised that the mission was the assassination of the Starks, but he needed more proof before he could get Tony to attack Steve and Bucky. So he went to the guy in Cleveland, killed him when he wouldn't talk, and took the Winter Solider codebook that the guy had hidden in his house. The next part of his plan involved getting close to Bucky, mind-controlling him and asking him questions. ''That's'' when he learned the location of the HYDRA base; it was so secret that it wasn't even in the files. The only way to find it was to interrogate a guy who had personally been there before.

** We're getting off of the original topic, but to answer you're question, you're confusing ''restraint'' and ''reasoning'' as the exact same thing. Reasoning isn't determined by what actions you take, but by the clarity and awareness with which you chose those actions. In Iron Man 1 he builds a state-of-the-art weapon [[MemeticMutation "In a cave! With a bunch of scraps!"]] while mortally wounded, in intense pain, and hounded by men who would kill him without hesitation. Later on he's utterly nonchalant about slipping into cardiac arrest, and later still refuses to panic after Stane betrays him, maintaining the prescience of mind to zero in on the obsolete arc reactor. In 2, he creates a new element by following some extremely obscure breadcrumbs while suffering from painful, debilitating poison, with only hours left to live, and resolves a major crisis in the same afternoon. In 3, he takes down half a dozen hired killers plus a few super-powered individuals with ''improvised weapons'' in ''spite'' of intense PSTD. In Avengers 1, he hijacks a nuke and flies into vacuum in open defiance of self-preservation, and repairs a Helicarrier while under fire. Needless to say, but few people could have operated under those circumstances without being blinded/disabled by fear, shock, panic, anger, or despair. Remember that this guy isn't a solider, government agent, Norse war god, android, or the Hulk; he's a '''civilian''' with [[BadassNormal no training, special upbringing, or powers to help him to cope with what's going on around him]]. Sorry about going on a tangent there. Short version; Impulsiveness and rationality are not mutually exclusive.

** Probably the above. By '91, the only people who would be all that familiar with Bucky, to the point of recognizing him, would be Howard Stark, Peggy Carter, and potentially any of the still living Commandos, plus any of Bucky's still living relatives and close friends, who are unlucky to be targets. Some people ''might'' think he vaguely resembles Sgt. Barnes from the Captain America newsreels, but its doubtful that any of them would assume that he's the Winter Solider.

* Yes, Tony was suffering from guilt and incredible stress, was losing the support and respect of the people he cared about one-by-one, had his best friend crippled right in front of him less than a day ago, and then had the mother of all emotional bombs dropped on his head. That would have been the breaking point for a good many people. Nevertheless, people throughout history have proven capable of remaining rational and resolute even in the face of emotional devastation. Tony in particular has showcased the ability to remain focused and functional even under horrific circumstances. You can never reliably force someone to totally "lose it" on cue, yet Zemo was utterly depending on Tony doing just that with near surgical precision.

** Cap decides to reject the accords and go rogue, so presumably he was at least thinking about this stuff even if he didn't say it all out loud. And remember, the accords don't state that the Avengers aren't allowed to save the world anymore; it's just that they have to be overseen by a U.N. panel. So for most of the objections you mentioned, the counterargument would be "Ok yeah, but how hard is it to do all that same stuff with a little more oversight?"

** In that case, Steve and the others might as well not sign the accords at all. Signing them and then breaking them also means the governments who united to draft the accords would come down even harder on them. Steve might also be concerned with exactly how the governments involved plan to enforce the accords: Tony puts Wanda under what is house arrest in all but name. Signing the accords might just mean being locked in a GildedCage and only let out when the U.N. committee decides the Avengers are needed (in the scene where Steve and Tony talk with the two pens, Steve does seem to consider signing ''until'' Tony mentions how Wanda is being treated). It's not possible to break the accords if you're locked in a location until it's decided that you're needed, and that leads into Steve's concern that the committee appointed might misjudge a situation and let the Avengers act too late, resulting in far more deaths than if the Avengers were free to act of their own accord.

** What makes you think the negotiations were public? That may be how the U.N. usually works, but there's no reason why the nations involved couldn't just talk to each other privately outside the formal U.N. process. That's probably what they did, and then they only formally went to the U.N. once everything had already been settled behind the scenes. How did Zemo know about it? He's an intelligence officer; he probably wiretapped some diplomatic cables or something.

** Why does Zemo need Cap and Bucky to talk? Cap already knows that Bucky has been mind controlled in the past. So if Bucky didn't blow up the U.N. building, then Cap wants to protect Bucky because Bucky is innocent. And if Bucky ''did'' blow up the U.N. building, Cap ''still'' wants to protect him because obviously he was just mind-controlled into doing it, and Cap wants to arrange for Bucky to be cured rather than executed. Regardless, Cap winds up protecting Bucky and Tony winds up attacking him. If Bucky had died, well, that would've messed up Zemo's plan. But there would still be a lot of distrust between Cap and Tony in that case, which would still be a partial victory for Zemo.

** That information will tell Tony Bucky is innocent, but it won't lead him to Siberia. For Zemo's plan to work, he has to get there almost immediately after Cap and Bucky (and there's no way Zemo can predict the exact time of Cap and Bucky' arrival). If Tony arrives there just a couple of hours later because of some delay or other (if, for example, it takes some time for him to convince Sam that he truly believes Bucky is innocent and isn't just bluffing in order to get Sam to reveal the info on Siberia), Cap and Bucky have enough time to capture Zemo and confiscate the video tape. In short, Zemo's plan depends on perfect timing, even though there's no way he can control the variables that affect the arrival times of Cap and Bucky or Tony.

** You're forgetting that the U.N. has been ''super nice'' thus far. Here's this team of super-powered people crossing international borders whenever they damn well please, conducting police/paramilitary operations without any authorization from anybody. That is normally not ok!! So after several years of being super-tolerant, now suddenly the pendulum is swinging the other way and the U.N. is getting super-pushy, i.e. "Let's arrange this entire Accord system in secret and then ''make'' the Avengers sign it. We have to show them who's boss!". Look at this this way: The world has come close to destruction several times by this point, and people are freaking out. It's not that hard to imagine a sudden irrational swing between "Let's let the Avengers do whatever they want because only they can save us" and "Let's put restrictions on the Avengers right now so they don't get all cocky and accidentally blow up the world somehow." I mean, Tony invented Ultron, right? And Ultron nearly genocided the entire human race. So really, it's amazing that the U.N. isn't being ''more'' pushy. It's amazing that Tony even has the chance to sign these Accords and continue his superhero career, rather than getting thrown in prison for "Reckless Endangerment of the Human Race" or something.

* Ever since I watched the film, I was constantly bugged by the fact that Spider-Man was on Tony's team because the Accords would negatively affect him. The U.N. would choose who he helps, and it would compromise his SecretIdentity, making those he cares about, like Aunt May, vulnerable to attacks from those who would (putting it lightly) wish him harm [[Film/Spiderman1 "The heart, Osborn! First, we attack his heart."]]

** Why does Zemo need Cap and Bucky to talk? Cap already knows that Bucky has been mind controlled in the past. So if Bucky didn't blow up the U.N. building, then Cap wants to protect Bucky because Bucky is innocent. And if Bucky ''did'' blow up the U,N. building, Cap ''still'' wants to protect him because obviously he was just mind-controlled into doing it, and Cap wants to arrange for Bucky to be cured rather than executed. Regardless, Cap winds up protecting Bucky and Tony winds up attacking him. If Bucky had died, well, that would've messed up Zemo's plan. But there would still be a lot of distrust between Cap and Tony in that case, which would still be a partial victory for Zemo.

** There ewas the hum, and a surprised look on both their faces. It seemed that the ring was reacting to the the arm in some way, that they were almost being repelled as if by same-pole magnets. [[WildMassGuessing Perhaps T'Chaka's ring is Vibranium, and some of the components of Bucky's arm are as well, and the two repel each other like magnetic fields.]] It doesn't happen with Cap's shield and Panther's claws because the Vibranium was fully processed and forged, while the ring seems to be "wrought Vibranium" and whatever's in Bucky's arm may not have been processed correctly by HYDRA.

** Maybe it's more difficult to do without preparation? In [[Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron Age of Ultron]] she was in the middle of the street without interference reaching out her influence. Hard to do in the fight in the airport with multiple moving parts and people, if she tried to do that then she would be a stationary target. Also when she first used her powers against Steve, Natasha and Thor they were in close proximity and caught unaware. Being alert to her presence may be a factor. If you see it coming it may be harder for her to whammy you.

* Why would someone as wealthy and influential as Howard Stark drive something as low rent as a Cadillac Fleetwood? The 90's weren't exactly the stone ages, there were a lot of cars available for someone of his wealth, like Mercedes Benzes, Range Rovers, BMWs, etc. All of these cars and more would have been better than a boxy American Luxury car. However, even if we ignore that, he's a big government contractor (and member of SHIELD's security council-thing), as well as a very rich man. Shouldn't he have chauffeur or a security detail of some sort?

** I think it was a combination of things. Tony doesn't handle trauma well and is known to act impulsively. Iron Man 3 when Happy was nearly killed Tony challenged a known terrorist on the news and gave him his home address. Steve may or may not have known if Bucky killed Howard and Maria, but he might have feared he did given how Winter Soldier was sent to kill Fury. Steve probably never dug too deep to see if Bucky killed Howard or not, but if he could have thought telling Tony could have lead him to looking more closely at the released Hydra/SHIELD files to find the answer. If Tony did find out Bucky was responsible Steve feared Tony would go after Bucky to try to kill him. Steve made a bad call. He might have had the best intentions in mind, but went about it the wrong way. It is easy for friends to withhold bad news thinking it is for their friend's best interest, but failing to realize they could cause more harm by keeping information.

* So the accords were apparently being discussed for one years following Ultron's rampage. At no point someone thought it would be a great idea to, you know, ask the avengers what they thought of it? Maybe negotiate stuff, remove things that are impossible to enforce, place exceptions in emergency cases, etc... Instead of dropping that door stopper and telling them to STFU and sign the thing already?

** Indeed? One would think it would have been much more efficient to spend the entire year working with the people most directly concerned by the accords rather than making last minute corrections. In truth, while Cap is indeed unwilling to negotiate, the other side attitude is shifty at best. Beside, Ross pretty much state out loud that those are the final draft, and the conference in Vienna is just a bit of ceremony before official application. He pretty much enter the avengers h.q. saying this how will be how things will be from now on, and if you're not happy with it just retire.

* Also, how is the UN less corruptible than SHIELD or the US government? That the activities of the avengers will be mandated by the UN does not mean the people in charge won't be mandated by HYDRA or mind controlled or whatever. It does mean however that the next villain better give us a really early warning so the administrative behemoth might start to think about what they want the avengers to do. Let us hope that Thanos is a real gentleman.

** I think you pretty much answered your own question. The Death Squad could only be controlled so far as to point them at a target and say kill everything. In short, they are the sledgehammer to the Winter Soldiers scalpel. Plus Pierce is an old fashioned guy who prefers to be in control and may have preferred the Winter Soldier to a Death Squad he's not so sure about. Apart from that yes I would say it's a issue of compartmentalization. For all the Russian Commanders loyalty to HYDRA in death he IS in hiding in Cleveland. He was probably demoralized by the loss of Piece and the Winter Soldier and too scared to find other HYDRA cells. So the other cells didn't have access to the info, access codes or control codes for the Soldiers. Plus the cells were not above hiding important shit from each other. Remember Whitehall lifelong attempts to understand Inhumans while Malick and others knew the truth and kept it from him because they didn't like him and didn't believe in his methods? I wouldn't be surprised if the Soldiers where hidden to keep other HYDRA members using them in a coup of HYDRA itself.
** I got the impression they were never used. Since they were volunteers and Hydra's top guys before, they didn't need brainwashing to follow Hydra's goals, but the serum enhanced their violent and destructive tendencies, and they became monsters - hence Bucky having to protect his handler in there with them. It would be too much trouble and destroying the skills they were chosen for to do the whole Bucky memory wipe and trigger implants treatment. They froze them rather than destroy them in case they could use them later - maybe with improvements from Whitehalls experiments with the Faustus machine on inhumans, which they either didn't know about (hydra definitely works in isolated cells), or just doesn't work on super soldiers without the deep conditioning and memory wipes Bucky had. I don't think they were brainwashed at all - if they had triggers, Karpov would have used them to shut the other soldiers down rather than ordering Bucky to get him out of there.

** It's possible that Strucker was part of a different cell of HYDRA and had no means to contact Karpov. Given how Karpov acted when Zemo knocked on his door ('no police'), I'd guess that he was on the run after Project Insight was foiled and SHIELD's secrets were made public. If Strucker did know about him, he likely didn't know about the other Winter Soldiers or he'd have called Karpov in just for the opportunity to set those five loose against the Avengers. So it was likely either Strucker didn't know about Karpov/didn't know how to contact him, or he did know but didn't think Karpov could contribute anything useful. ]

** But if you recall from the opening segments, they were staking out a Police Station, not the CDC Building. Giving the idea that they had no idea the target was a Bio-Weapon. Per Cap's opening statements this was the first lead they have had (meaning Crossbones) so in theory is that they only knew that Crossbones was operating in the area...but no idea of his motives or his target till they rammed the CDC building. The UN's PoV would be that if the Avengers had worked with local governments and tried to get better intel on Crossbones movements they could have been better prepared, which given the outcome of that op...isn't an entirely unreasonable assumption.

** The thing is the Accords were never made about foreign borders it was always about control. It was always about control of the Avengers. If they were about compromise, about working within reason and respect of Sovereignty of other countries then Steve could have worked with that. Hell, the Avengers worked for years stopping massive threats to innocent lives and the UN didn't interfere until public outcry. Even then they didn't offer a real compromise or a working idea. They offered to tell the Avengers what is and what is not defined of a threat. If something is wrong, something so great a threat immediate and swift action needs to be taken. An out of context problem like HYDRA or Thanos. That's when the Avengers act. The Avengers operate only when needed, when its right to. Steve saw the Accords as a measure of control not a measure of accountability. Also Ross was assigned by agreement of the UN, as the watchdog of the accords. Not a diplomat, not a lawyer. A man known for using excessive force to handle superhuamn problems. Then Steve and his group wariness about its message is warranted. As pointed out before, its about those who actually have power in the UN who decide what is right or wrong as long as not politically problematic. Against a soldier who sees something coming that is very wrong and acting on it. Also I dont think the accords are long for the World after Infinity War as the global community would most likely prefer that sort of global catastrophe be stopped post haste from now on. Instead of debated and defined ad nauseam, delaying action as Ross proved would happen.

** The main problem with the Accords, and why its considered by some a bad thing. Is not the UN aspect but the aspect of those in power, corrupt or otherwise who can define what is and what is not something that needs to be Avengers worthy. Let's be honest, corruption and agendas are a daily thing in the geopolitical landscape. Add to the fact the US was able to get General "use heavy ordnance on american soil, damn the collateral threat" to be it's main watchdog is a symptom of the problem. As for In-universe the Avengers operated for years globally without problems. Then collateral damage happened, suddenly everybody is concerned about borders and sovereignty. Which would be fine except its comes across more about saving face and definitely opportunistic. Do they consult the Avengers before writing them up? Do they give them options or explain necessity of the Accords? No they send their watchdog, a man as subtle as a hammer to tell them sign or retire. They tell the Avengers, Steve to trust a system he knows can be corrupted or brought off to make the right moral choice over the more convenient choice. They use words like property damage and accountability but we know thanks to Thanos the cost of when the Avengers dont act. What kind of property damage or collatoral damage Crossbones could have caused with that virus on the open market? What kind of damage Project Oversight had gone unchallenged and Steve went through all the red tape to get authority to take them on? The main problem with the Accords is not only trusting the UN, or those with power in the UN to make the right choice. But in a World where world ending threats happen on the fly, the Avengers are duty bound to respond. Collateral damage like property and death, are a cost of the reality of that particular World. A few versus the many is the hard math at play. If the UN could have given Steve a viable option to prevent that while allowing rapid response, he would have taken it. They didn't, and that is why he and the others chose what they did.

** Later , when he has a cooler head he doesn't blame Sam. But when cradling Rhodes's body, shooting at Sam who was not attacking but offering help and concordances. Then yes he blamed Sam. Come on, he shot the guy who was not resisting and not fleeing but offering help. So yes, at that moment he blamed Sam, and because of that in that moment he took it out on him. Later on , when he cooled down not so much. But at that moment he did and Sam, who did not have his wings in defensive formation got a chest full of repulser blast for it.

** I think Tony shooting an undefended Sam in the chest is a clear indication he blames him. Tony did glare at Vision but Vision was just trying to help. How did Rhodey get into that position to be shot? Because Falcon was tailing them. Why was Falcon tailing them? Because he was trying to help Cap get away. Hence Tony not apologizing to Sam later on because to Tony he did nothing wrong. To Tony Sam was the cause , Tony is not the sort to be angry and one guy and take it out on another. He is direct in action and cause. He shot Sam because to him Sam choice to follow Cap lead to War machine plummeting out of the sky. He blamed Sam for his actions that lead ( as far as Tony was concerned ) to Rhodey's fall.

** The thing is as shown in ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'' time constraints may be a factor. When Hive threatened global decimation the team did not have time to assemble a case. Present the case to the proper authorities. Sort of the bureaucratic red tape and sign the proper forms. Have meetings explaining what had occurred and give a report on why they had to act. When a rules stickler and [[BotheringByTheBook career military soldier like General Talbot]] helps your team commit treason in order to save the World then time is factor. For Cap , time was a factor. Unknown hostiles, lead by a dangerous [[OneManArmy super human who was a member]] of a [[ANaziByAnyOtherName fascist terrorist group.]] Does Cap have time to try to explain to the proper authorities , meet the right people. Answer the right questions and sign the right papers. Also after ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'' the Avengers may make it a habit of trusting their own instincts. In the end the problem with the accords, are time constraints, trust in Governments who in the real World have a history of what is convenient over what is right.

** The problem with the Accords on whose decision it is and what they will allow to occur for political convenience. Ironically while recruiting Spiderman , Peter said it best. The things the Avengers can do, the abilities they have and not to take action and allow the bad things to happen? That is what Cap was fighting for, the ability to act when action is needed. As a soldier Cap knows only that action is needed and as a person the moral certainty of it. The system is not perfect, it’s broken where money and politics control most outcomes. The Accords are flawed because it’s based on a flawed system and a bureaucracy that determines action, or inaction on a case by case basis.

** It was a deal breaker because it highlighted an issue. Tony once again made a unilateral decision for his friends and team mates. Like ULTRON with disastrous results and like the accords when he helped draft them and presented them to the team without them having a voice in their creation. He just had a team meeting, presented the accords and let a stranger tell them to sign or retire. To Steve a team mate went behind his back to decide for the team what compromises they should make. Tony locking down Wanda would have been another example of that, Tony deciding what is best for the Avengers and that lead to their impasse. Also Wanda did not cause a huge explosion, Wanda prevented a huge explosion taking out many lives leading to the death of a few. Steve saw a member of his team, make the right choice out of necessity and be hidden away for the comfort of those in power and others. Tony did it to keep her safe, yes. But also to appease the public and the UN as well. To Steve that was a compromise and his reaction was someone who knew that once you start doing that then other compromises , moral and otherwise would be expected as well.

** The problem is that the US government has a notorious history of failing to prevent corrupt people having too much power. Hence the tries part and not the mostly succeeds part. Now add that to a Global scale. Over a hundred different countries, some aligned with others. Others sharing common interests with others. Some having ''influence'' over others due to money and agreements. Getting to decide when and where to send a group of super powered individuals. Most important where NOT to send them. Its not about 117 countries being evil, its about politics. Its about doing what is needed vs doing what is wanted. Its about to the ability to help those who need helping vs being told it not permitted for being too sensitive or too embarrassing. Its about back room deals and compromises that allow horrors and crimes for the '' greater good and global stability''. Its about about doing what is right vs not doing it right now , but maybe later when the focuses groups come back and it doesn't conflict with the interests of our allies.

* Also, thinking that the peak human term in comics is close to normal real life humans is a fallacy, since even supposedly ordinary humans in comics have done things that would require superhuman strength, like [[http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/99951/2845521-hawkeye_lifting_a_cab_new_avengers_5_legion_cps_012.jpg Hawkeye flipping a car with one hand]]. As for comic Cap, he has [[http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119363/3444501-overhead+1.jpg effortlessly carried away bikes]], [[http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb410/raykongs/Cappullsdownhelicopter_zpsa193ea57.png pulled a helicopter out of the air]] (yeah I know, makes no sense from a physics standpoint) , [[http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101999/3695237-captainamericastopscar.jpg stopping cold a speeding car with teen Bucky's help]] and [[http://s498.photobucket.com/user/darthgoober/media/SecretDefenders07-03.jpg.html catches a falling tree]]. That's for raw strength, for striking you need no more than [[http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101999/3060335-cap19.jpg Steve in civilian clothes beating the crap out of this robot]] or [[http://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/3888745-9445853892-12104.jpg punching a berserk Wolverine through a car roof]] or [[http://i.imgur.com/slP3o6C.jpg kicking through an armored door]]. Heck, Steve [[DePower without the benefit]] of the Super Soldier Serum [[http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/72524/3242990-6036020165-steve.jpg hit a guy using a shotgun as a club hard enough to dent the metal box he hit]]. I seriously doubt MCU Cap has done anything that comic Cap can't replicate, or in some occasions hasn't already done.

* The accords are ostensibly to limit the Avengers' power, thereby preventing civilian casualties like the ones in Lagos and DC and New York. Okay, fine, I can get behind that. ....but nothing about the accords actually *does* that. Even if everyone signed and agreed to UN control (all problems with that aside), imagine that tomorrow, the UN says, "Go out and defeat ISIS." The UN making that decision (rather than Steve) does nothing to limit casualties. It's still the same Avengers with the same fighting style. And imagine if there *are* a lot of civilian casualties - would they stick the Avengers in the Raft for collateral damage? Not even current UN regulations (to which the US is not a signatory, by the way) make collateral damage in and of itself a crime. How do the accords accomplish anything?

** Highly unlikely it was anything to do with Meta. As Zemo said himself he wants to punish the Avengers in a way that they cannot defend themselves against. Physical threats they can beat, so the soldiers where of no use to him they where only a lure. He intended to break their hearts, their connections with one another. He did not need the soldiers for that , only a video. As seen in the movie while capable of multiple murderers in his quest for vengeance Zemo remained a [[PragmaticVillainy practical and efficient intelligence operative throughout.]] Also as a [[FreudianExcuse victim of enhanced humans in combat he may inclined to put down superhuman berserkers before they go on a rampage and kill others.]]

** The thing is Vision has an analytical mind. Hence his speech in the beginning of the movie breaking down the current situation regarding the SHRA in mathematical terms. To a computer it would be more efficient to create a wall to prevent access to the Quinjet. Then destroy the Quinjet and possibly surrounding areas when the Quinjet explodes. A controlled explosion versus an uncontrolled one. Not only would that he be reluctant to destroy a start of the art high tech transport with multiple capabilities versus a radar tower. Efficiency , cost and practicality.

** Of course Falcon is not upset about the blast. 1) He was in a fight, he understands you get hurt in a fight 2) As a trained consular he knew that Tony was acting on instinct. That while at the time Tony blames him and acted out in anger . That was not truly personnel, the fact remains based on Tony's expression and power of his attack that sent Sam flying he did blame Sam. As shown with Bucky when Tony is enraged, when the target of his rage is in front of him he acts. He didn't speak to Sam at the time, he did not shoot Sam as he was fleeing or tell Sam he was under arrest. He shot Sam because he blamed Sam for Rhodey's fall.

** It was an irrational act done on impulse in a burst of emotion. It was also brilliant {{Foreshadowing}} about what would happen later with Steve and Bucky. Tony can be flippant, full of self doubt, snarky and unsure. But when enraged he acts with without hesitation or thought. Maybe he blamed Sam, maybe part of him blamed himself. All that is known is he struck out in rage. Tony has a rage in him when he feels personally hurt and he acted on it.

** The thing is as shown in ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'' time constraints may be a factor. When Hive threatened global decimation the team did not have time to assemble a case. Present the case to the proper authorities. Sort of the bureaucratic red tape and sign the proper forms. Have meetings explaining what had occurred and give a report on why they had to act. When a rules stickler and [[BotheringByTheBook career military soldier like General Talbot]] helps your team commit treason in order to save the World then time is factor. For Cap , time was a factor. Unknown hostiles, lead by a dangerous [[OneManArmy super human who was a member]] of a [[ANaziByAnyOtherName fascist terrorist group.]] Does Cap have time to try to explain to the proper authorities , meet the right people. Answer the right questions and sign the right papers. Also after ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'' the Avengers may make it a habit of trusting their own instincts . In the end the problem with the accords, are time constraints, trust in Governments who in the real World have a history of what is convenient over what is right.