History Headscratchers / BuffyverseVampires

16th Apr '17 7:18:35 AM KaminoNeko
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** Vamps are actually pretty flimsy as demons go. Sure, they can only be killed by a handful of specific methods, but they are ridiculously vulnerable to those methods - the sunlight is, itself, a huge vulnerability that few (if any) other demons have. Stakes? As soon as something pointy and wood touches their chest with the pointy end mostly pointed at the heart, they suddenly completely lack a sternum and the soft tissue has the structural integrity of an overfilled water balloon. (And this isn't a 'Slayer Strength' thing, since we've seen ordinary mortals do it on more than one occasion.) Beheading? As soon as something sharp hits the neck, again, bye-bye bones, hello water balloon. (And again, normal people have been shown vorpalizing vamps, instead of hacking away, so not just Slayer Strength...though that trick with the cymbal at the Bronze in season 1 is probably something only a Slayer could pull off.)
31st Jan '17 4:20:11 AM Luppercus
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*** Not really. Several animals like chimps have sentience, we still don't consider them persons. Psychopaths have sentience but are incapable of feeling remorse, guilt or empathy (that's why they are so hard to handle as only the fear of punishment works and most of them get the death penalty anyway), is possible that some day computers may develop sentience and we probably still won't consider them persons. Sentience do not mean having morals or empathy, which is what all vampires lack (as they lack souls with the exceptions that we all know).
31st Jan '17 3:14:03 AM tafelshrew
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*** ''And retains self-awareness/sentience''. That's kind of more important in "is it a person" than "does it age or have a heartbeat".
22nd Oct '16 1:04:34 AM Luppercus
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** No, because a person is a living human being tht grows old. A vampire is a re-animated corpse, like a zombie, with two key differences; do not rot and is forever frozen on the age of his/hers death and retains self-awareness/sentience whatever you want to call it.
21st Oct '16 3:34:35 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** The meta answer is TheyJustDidntCare. In their quest to fluff Spike and appease his fans the writers didn't care if the whole vampire mythos could be destroyed in the process. The not so meta explanation would be that maybe the Scoobies suspected that Spike was lying - he had never intended to get his soul back, it had somehow happened in some other fashion. Of course, there is precious little evidence for that but it's a fanwank that makes that wallbanging nature of season 7 just a bit more tolerable, for me at least. Of course, Buffy took Spike word for his soul search but that's easily dismissible, since in season 7 Buffy is rather out of touch with reality, especially when it came to Spike.

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** The meta answer is TheyJustDidntCare. In their quest to fluff Spike and appease his fans the writers didn't care if the whole vampire mythos could be destroyed in the process. The not so meta explanation would be that maybe the Scoobies suspected that Spike was lying - he had never intended to get his soul back, it had somehow happened in some other fashion. Of course, there is precious little evidence for that but it's a fanwank that makes that wallbanging nature of season 7 just a bit more tolerable, for me at least. Of course, Buffy took Spike word for his soul search but that's easily dismissible, since in season 7 Buffy is rather out of touch with reality, especially when it came to Spike.



*** Even a single vampire can go on a killing spree with devastating results. Turn an Angelus-esque vampire loose with a presumed desire to sire every other victim and you have the makings of an army before a fortnight. I surmise the theory was vampires simply did not have a desire to multiple due to their antisocial tendencies, although that borders pretty close on TheyJustDidntCare. This is likely why more recent shows introduced more convoluted ways that simply made 'breeding' something of a chore.

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*** Even a single vampire can go on a killing spree with devastating results. Turn an Angelus-esque vampire loose with a presumed desire to sire every other victim and you have the makings of an army before a fortnight. I surmise the theory was vampires simply did not have a desire to multiple due to their antisocial tendencies, although that borders pretty close on TheyJustDidntCare.tendencies. This is likely why more recent shows introduced more convoluted ways that simply made 'breeding' something of a chore.
21st Jun '16 3:22:11 AM Luppercus
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***The interesting part is that Christianity is not the only religion that uses the Cross as a symbol and not all Christian Churches use the same kind of Cross either. The Orthodox Cross is [[https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archivo:OrthodoxCross.svg like this]]. Would be interesting to see if the Orthodox Cross affects vampires or not and/or if the Cross from another religion like the Ankh does.
4th Jun '16 10:46:51 PM ApeAccount
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*** I have a theory that the reason the cross works isn't anything to do with its association to do with Christianity but is instead related to the vampire's inability to enter a person's home without permission. Somehow when you join together a bunch of pieces of wood or brick or stone you turn it from just a physical object into a mystical forcefield which a vampire cannot cross. What if joining together two pieces of a cross somehow achieves the same result? The object itself is turned into a sort of electrified forcefield which, if a vampire touches, burns their flesh. Of course, it wouldn't work if you just lay two pieces of wood across one another (any more than standing under a plank of wood and announcing "this is my home" would keep a vampire out), they'd have to be joined and they may also need to have some significance to a person (in the same way the home does). Given crosses weren't actually used as a symbol in early Christianity, it's possible they were only introduced to the church (along with Holy Water) by someone who knew they repelled vampires.
23rd Feb '16 10:08:55 AM SeanRenaud
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* Harmony is a hottie. Reasons to sire here are easy enough to justify, just how there was time is a bit nuts. In Sunnydale Buffy seems to be slaughtering them as quickly as they are made so the idea that vamps are making new vampires simply so there is someone to distract Buffy while they run doesn't seem improbable. The family relationship mentioned is being a bit overstated. The Darla chain which includes the Master appears to be a fairly special case. Granted we don't get to know many vampires well but it doesn't seem to be a mystic bond even among those four. With Ford it boils down to Spike being a man of his word and frustrated though he may be Ford did in fact gift wrap the slayer for him. It was entirely his own fault he couldn't keep her. Finally the series makes it explicitly clear that you have to drink vampire blood to turn.
9th Feb '16 6:43:24 PM InnerDeliciousnes
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** To some extend a vampire is a walking corpse. Is like a sentient zombie that does not decompose, the human soul goes away and the body is reanimated by a demonic forcem but is a corpse at the end. So, to kill a vampire is really an act of mercy, at least for the human that was before. And in the case of Spike, Spike is a very ''very'' special kind of vampire. He sires his mother out of love for her, is against the idea of ending the world and care for Dawn for apparently non-selfish reasons, but no other vampire, nor even Angelus, shows that kind o behavior. Maybe Spike's transformation was different, maybe retaining part of the soul or something like that, and he is a unique case

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** To some extend a vampire is a walking corpse. Is like a sentient zombie that does not decompose, the human soul goes away and the body is reanimated by a demonic forcem force but is a corpse at the end. So, to kill a vampire is really an act of mercy, at least for the human that was before. And in the case of Spike, Spike is a very ''very'' special kind of vampire. He sires his mother out of love for her, is against the idea of ending the world and care for Dawn for apparently non-selfish reasons, but no other vampire, nor even Angelus, shows that kind o behavior. Maybe Spike's transformation was different, maybe retaining part of the soul or something like that, and he is a unique casecase
**A sentient zombie that doesn't decompose? Isn't that a person?
19th Dec '15 9:06:27 PM Luppercus
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I think the show doesn’t make it clear but it seems that some people just take a vampire bite to turn into a vampire, not to drink the vampire’s blood.

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I think the show doesn’t make it clear but it seems that some people just take a vampire bite to turn into a vampire, not to drink the vampire’s blood.
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