History Headscratchers / BuffyverseVampires

22nd Oct '16 1:04:34 AM Luppercus
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** No, because a person is a living human being tht grows old. A vampire is a re-animated corpse, like a zombie, with two key differences; do not rot and is forever frozen on the age of his/hers death and retains self-awareness/sentience whatever you want to call it.
21st Oct '16 3:34:35 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** The meta answer is TheyJustDidntCare. In their quest to fluff Spike and appease his fans the writers didn't care if the whole vampire mythos could be destroyed in the process. The not so meta explanation would be that maybe the Scoobies suspected that Spike was lying - he had never intended to get his soul back, it had somehow happened in some other fashion. Of course, there is precious little evidence for that but it's a fanwank that makes that wallbanging nature of season 7 just a bit more tolerable, for me at least. Of course, Buffy took Spike word for his soul search but that's easily dismissible, since in season 7 Buffy is rather out of touch with reality, especially when it came to Spike.

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** The meta answer is TheyJustDidntCare. In their quest to fluff Spike and appease his fans the writers didn't care if the whole vampire mythos could be destroyed in the process. The not so meta explanation would be that maybe the Scoobies suspected that Spike was lying - he had never intended to get his soul back, it had somehow happened in some other fashion. Of course, there is precious little evidence for that but it's a fanwank that makes that wallbanging nature of season 7 just a bit more tolerable, for me at least. Of course, Buffy took Spike word for his soul search but that's easily dismissible, since in season 7 Buffy is rather out of touch with reality, especially when it came to Spike.



*** Even a single vampire can go on a killing spree with devastating results. Turn an Angelus-esque vampire loose with a presumed desire to sire every other victim and you have the makings of an army before a fortnight. I surmise the theory was vampires simply did not have a desire to multiple due to their antisocial tendencies, although that borders pretty close on TheyJustDidntCare. This is likely why more recent shows introduced more convoluted ways that simply made 'breeding' something of a chore.

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*** Even a single vampire can go on a killing spree with devastating results. Turn an Angelus-esque vampire loose with a presumed desire to sire every other victim and you have the makings of an army before a fortnight. I surmise the theory was vampires simply did not have a desire to multiple due to their antisocial tendencies, although that borders pretty close on TheyJustDidntCare.tendencies. This is likely why more recent shows introduced more convoluted ways that simply made 'breeding' something of a chore.
21st Jun '16 3:22:11 AM Luppercus
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***The interesting part is that Christianity is not the only religion that uses the Cross as a symbol and not all Christian Churches use the same kind of Cross either. The Orthodox Cross is [[https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archivo:OrthodoxCross.svg like this]]. Would be interesting to see if the Orthodox Cross affects vampires or not and/or if the Cross from another religion like the Ankh does.
4th Jun '16 10:46:51 PM ApeAccount
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*** I have a theory that the reason the cross works isn't anything to do with its association to do with Christianity but is instead related to the vampire's inability to enter a person's home without permission. Somehow when you join together a bunch of pieces of wood or brick or stone you turn it from just a physical object into a mystical forcefield which a vampire cannot cross. What if joining together two pieces of a cross somehow achieves the same result? The object itself is turned into a sort of electrified forcefield which, if a vampire touches, burns their flesh. Of course, it wouldn't work if you just lay two pieces of wood across one another (any more than standing under a plank of wood and announcing "this is my home" would keep a vampire out), they'd have to be joined and they may also need to have some significance to a person (in the same way the home does). Given crosses weren't actually used as a symbol in early Christianity, it's possible they were only introduced to the church (along with Holy Water) by someone who knew they repelled vampires.
23rd Feb '16 10:08:55 AM SeanRenaud
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* Harmony is a hottie. Reasons to sire here are easy enough to justify, just how there was time is a bit nuts. In Sunnydale Buffy seems to be slaughtering them as quickly as they are made so the idea that vamps are making new vampires simply so there is someone to distract Buffy while they run doesn't seem improbable. The family relationship mentioned is being a bit overstated. The Darla chain which includes the Master appears to be a fairly special case. Granted we don't get to know many vampires well but it doesn't seem to be a mystic bond even among those four. With Ford it boils down to Spike being a man of his word and frustrated though he may be Ford did in fact gift wrap the slayer for him. It was entirely his own fault he couldn't keep her. Finally the series makes it explicitly clear that you have to drink vampire blood to turn.
9th Feb '16 6:43:24 PM InnerDeliciousnes
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** To some extend a vampire is a walking corpse. Is like a sentient zombie that does not decompose, the human soul goes away and the body is reanimated by a demonic forcem but is a corpse at the end. So, to kill a vampire is really an act of mercy, at least for the human that was before. And in the case of Spike, Spike is a very ''very'' special kind of vampire. He sires his mother out of love for her, is against the idea of ending the world and care for Dawn for apparently non-selfish reasons, but no other vampire, nor even Angelus, shows that kind o behavior. Maybe Spike's transformation was different, maybe retaining part of the soul or something like that, and he is a unique case

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** To some extend a vampire is a walking corpse. Is like a sentient zombie that does not decompose, the human soul goes away and the body is reanimated by a demonic forcem force but is a corpse at the end. So, to kill a vampire is really an act of mercy, at least for the human that was before. And in the case of Spike, Spike is a very ''very'' special kind of vampire. He sires his mother out of love for her, is against the idea of ending the world and care for Dawn for apparently non-selfish reasons, but no other vampire, nor even Angelus, shows that kind o behavior. Maybe Spike's transformation was different, maybe retaining part of the soul or something like that, and he is a unique casecase
**A sentient zombie that doesn't decompose? Isn't that a person?
19th Dec '15 9:06:27 PM Luppercus
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I think the show doesn’t make it clear but it seems that some people just take a vampire bite to turn into a vampire, not to drink the vampire’s blood.

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I think the show doesn’t make it clear but it seems that some people just take a vampire bite to turn into a vampire, not to drink the vampire’s blood.
19th Dec '15 9:05:32 PM Luppercus
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[[folder:Siring like rabbits]]
We see several examples of people turning into vampires with no clear indication that they ever drank blood from the vampire turning them:

Harmony is bitten in The Graduation, did the vampire biting her had time to make her drink her blood in the middle of a battle?

We see Buffy patrolling in the Cemetery and basically at least one vampire wake up every night. Yet, siring someone seems to be not only something painful (as a vampire you’ll have to harm yourself in some way to make you bleed) and psychological meaningful (sired vampires have some sort of family relationship as shown in Darla-Angelus-Drusilla-Spike group), so, it’s seems that every vampire feeds of a random victim and then sires him/her no matter or the above said and the victim is then buried and rises.

In Lie To Me, Ford asks to be turn into a vampire in exchange for delivering Buffy to Spike and co., yet Buffy escapes and Spike is angry, it is implied that Spike just want to kill him now, not just turning him as he promessed, yet we later saw that Ford is dead and that he did wakes up as a vampire, so are we suppose to believe that Spike did fulfil his part of the deal even when he didn’t get what he wanted?

And of course, the big question; why would vampires want to sire someone? Bringing more vampires into existence will cause more competence and reductions of the food source, something problematic especially in a small town. Is understandable that they sire someone once in a while for different reasons but they seem to sire everyone they bite.
I think the show doesn’t make it clear but it seems that some people just take a vampire bite to turn into a vampire, not to drink the vampire’s blood.
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19th Dec '15 8:32:01 PM Luppercus
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***Make you wonder what happens in socialist countries where there is no private property.
10th Dec '15 1:12:21 PM Luppercus
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** The meta explanation is that the producers think ViewersAreMorons, they probably thought that unless they have their vampires faces on we, the audience, won’t know their vampires and we’ll tell ourselves “What the hell are those guys doing around The Master/Spike/Drusilla/Main Vampire Villain”.

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** The meta explanation is that the producers think ViewersAreMorons, they probably thought that unless they have their vampires faces on we, the audience, won’t know their they're vampires and we’ll tell ourselves “What the hell are those guys doing around The Master/Spike/Drusilla/Main Vampire Villain”.
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