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23rd Feb '16 10:08:55 AM SeanRenaud
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* Harmony is a hottie. Reasons to sire here are easy enough to justify, just how there was time is a bit nuts. In Sunnydale Buffy seems to be slaughtering them as quickly as they are made so the idea that vamps are making new vampires simply so there is someone to distract Buffy while they run doesn't seem improbable. The family relationship mentioned is being a bit overstated. The Darla chain which includes the Master appears to be a fairly special case. Granted we don't get to know many vampires well but it doesn't seem to be a mystic bond even among those four. With Ford it boils down to Spike being a man of his word and frustrated though he may be Ford did in fact gift wrap the slayer for him. It was entirely his own fault he couldn't keep her. Finally the series makes it explicitly clear that you have to drink vampire blood to turn.
9th Feb '16 6:43:24 PM InnerDeliciousnes
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** To some extend a vampire is a walking corpse. Is like a sentient zombie that does not decompose, the human soul goes away and the body is reanimated by a demonic forcem but is a corpse at the end. So, to kill a vampire is really an act of mercy, at least for the human that was before. And in the case of Spike, Spike is a very ''very'' special kind of vampire. He sires his mother out of love for her, is against the idea of ending the world and care for Dawn for apparently non-selfish reasons, but no other vampire, nor even Angelus, shows that kind o behavior. Maybe Spike's transformation was different, maybe retaining part of the soul or something like that, and he is a unique case

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** To some extend a vampire is a walking corpse. Is like a sentient zombie that does not decompose, the human soul goes away and the body is reanimated by a demonic forcem force but is a corpse at the end. So, to kill a vampire is really an act of mercy, at least for the human that was before. And in the case of Spike, Spike is a very ''very'' special kind of vampire. He sires his mother out of love for her, is against the idea of ending the world and care for Dawn for apparently non-selfish reasons, but no other vampire, nor even Angelus, shows that kind o behavior. Maybe Spike's transformation was different, maybe retaining part of the soul or something like that, and he is a unique casecase
**A sentient zombie that doesn't decompose? Isn't that a person?
19th Dec '15 9:06:27 PM Luppercus
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I think the show doesn’t make it clear but it seems that some people just take a vampire bite to turn into a vampire, not to drink the vampire’s blood.

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I think the show doesn’t make it clear but it seems that some people just take a vampire bite to turn into a vampire, not to drink the vampire’s blood.
19th Dec '15 9:05:32 PM Luppercus
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We see several examples of people turning into vampires with no clear indication that they ever drank blood from the vampire turning them:

Harmony is bitten in The Graduation, did the vampire biting her had time to make her drink her blood in the middle of a battle?

We see Buffy patrolling in the Cemetery and basically at least one vampire wake up every night. Yet, siring someone seems to be not only something painful (as a vampire you’ll have to harm yourself in some way to make you bleed) and psychological meaningful (sired vampires have some sort of family relationship as shown in Darla-Angelus-Drusilla-Spike group), so, it’s seems that every vampire feeds of a random victim and then sires him/her no matter or the above said and the victim is then buried and rises.

In Lie To Me, Ford asks to be turn into a vampire in exchange for delivering Buffy to Spike and co., yet Buffy escapes and Spike is angry, it is implied that Spike just want to kill him now, not just turning him as he promessed, yet we later saw that Ford is dead and that he did wakes up as a vampire, so are we suppose to believe that Spike did fulfil his part of the deal even when he didn’t get what he wanted?

And of course, the big question; why would vampires want to sire someone? Bringing more vampires into existence will cause more competence and reductions of the food source, something problematic especially in a small town. Is understandable that they sire someone once in a while for different reasons but they seem to sire everyone they bite.
I think the show doesn’t make it clear but it seems that some people just take a vampire bite to turn into a vampire, not to drink the vampire’s blood.
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19th Dec '15 8:32:01 PM Luppercus
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***Make you wonder what happens in socialist countries where there is no private property.
10th Dec '15 1:12:21 PM Luppercus
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** The meta explanation is that the producers think ViewersAreMorons, they probably thought that unless they have their vampires faces on we, the audience, won’t know their vampires and we’ll tell ourselves “What the hell are those guys doing around The Master/Spike/Drusilla/Main Vampire Villain”.

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** The meta explanation is that the producers think ViewersAreMorons, they probably thought that unless they have their vampires faces on we, the audience, won’t know their they're vampires and we’ll tell ourselves “What the hell are those guys doing around The Master/Spike/Drusilla/Main Vampire Villain”.
10th Dec '15 12:47:36 AM Luppercus
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**The meta explanation is that the producers think ViewersAreMorons, they probably thought that unless they have their vampires faces on we, the audience, won’t know their vampires and we’ll tell ourselves “What the hell are those guys doing around The Master/Spike/Drusilla/Main Vampire Villain”.
5th Dec '15 3:22:35 PM Luppercus
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**OK, it does makes sense that not all humans are going to die, but probably many will, if not the majority, so even if it makes them an easier prey, the number of their food source will be reduce drastically. On the loyalty for the Old Ones, well indeed people do crazy thinks out of blind faith, yet in both cases is very risky.
4th Dec '15 10:29:14 PM grahamburger
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*Well there's two reasons I can see: 1) neither of those apocalypses is actually going to directly kill people. It's just going to make life really really torturous and awful, but humans will still exist. They'll just be terrified all of the time and maybe be easier prey. 2) way back when the First Slayer was created, vampires were subservient to the Old Ones. Maybe some of the demons are inhabiting vampires still have that loyalty. But really, you're right, it's kind of weird that none of them were looking for the sort of apocalypse that brings about eternal night (no, that was done by a demon who I'm pretty sure could go out in the sun....)
3rd Dec '15 11:56:05 PM Luppercus
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Why some vampires want to destroy the world and bringing up the Apocalypse? The Master in season one wants to open the Hellmouth and then in season two Angelus, Spike and Drusilla want the world to be absorbed into a hell dimension (even when Spike changes his mind at some point). Why? Vampires need humans to feed and to reproduce, if all humans get killed by demons then they won’t have human blood to feed and starve and they can’t create new vampires. Besides it’s establish that vampires aren’t popular among demons so in a hell dimension and/or a post-Apocaliptic Earth rule by more powerful demons they’ll be exterminate or enslave.
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