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10th Aug '16 4:44:59 PM RossN
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* I know that there were moments in the shows where she could be more dangerous than the idiot she appeared to be.... but that still left a ''lot'' of idiot there. In the comics, especially Season 10, she seems to be consistently portrayed as a very savvy, often witty character with a few fluffy personality traits, more like an evil Elle Woods than the airhead she was as recently as 'Harm's Way'. Basically she went from a (at best) CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass to a BunnyEarsLawyer without any real explanation.

If they ''did'' want to make Harmony smarter why not give an in-story reason (magic for instance) instead of a sudden unexplained leap in IQ that none of the other characters seem to notice?[[/folder]]

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* I know that there were moments in the shows where she could be more dangerous than the idiot she appeared to be.... but that still left a ''lot'' of idiot there. In the comics, especially Season 10, she seems to be consistently portrayed as a very savvy, often witty character with a few fluffy personality traits, more like an evil Elle Woods than the airhead she was as recently as 'Harm's Way'. Basically she went from a (at best) CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass to a BunnyEarsLawyer without any real explanation.

explanation. If they ''did'' want to make Harmony smarter why not give an in-story reason (magic for instance) instead of a sudden unexplained leap in IQ that none of the other characters seem to notice?[[/folder]]
10th Aug '16 4:43:33 PM RossN
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[[folder:Where did Harmony get her brains from?]]
* I know that there were moments in the shows where she could be more dangerous than the idiot she appeared to be.... but that still left a ''lot'' of idiot there. In the comics, especially Season 10, she seems to be consistently portrayed as a very savvy, often witty character with a few fluffy personality traits, more like an evil Elle Woods than the airhead she was as recently as 'Harm's Way'. Basically she went from a (at best) CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass to a BunnyEarsLawyer without any real explanation.

If they ''did'' want to make Harmony smarter why not give an in-story reason (magic for instance) instead of a sudden unexplained leap in IQ that none of the other characters seem to notice?[[/folder]]
30th Nov '15 8:47:16 PM Sarah1281
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**** Parker was looking for sex, and mislead Buffy into thinking he was genuinely interested in her. I mean, only a couple of episodes later he puts the ''exact'' same moves on Willow, who laughs in his face. The guy was pure dirt. Buffy didn't 'use' Satsu, if anything Satsu was the interested party and Buffy went along with it, but realised afterward that despite what she might want, she just isn't a lesbian or even really bisexual. After Satsu she realised that she's pretty much straight. That sucks for Satsu, because she thought Buffy really did feel the same.

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**** Parker was looking for sex, and mislead misled Buffy into thinking he was genuinely interested in her. I mean, only a couple of episodes later he puts the ''exact'' same moves on Willow, who laughs in his face. The guy was pure dirt. Buffy didn't 'use' Satsu, if anything Satsu was the interested party and Buffy went along with it, but realised afterward that despite what she might want, she just isn't a lesbian or even really bisexual. After Satsu she realised that she's pretty much straight. That sucks for Satsu, because she thought Buffy really did feel the same.
30th Nov '15 8:54:32 AM DarkWillow
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**** Parker was looking for sex, and mislead Buffy into thinking he was genuinely interested in her. I mean, only a couple of episodes later he puts the ''exact'' same moves on Willow, who laughs in his face. The guy was pure dirt. Buffy didn't 'use' Satsu, if anything Satsu was the interested party and Buffy went along with it, but realised afterward that despite what she might want, she just isn't a lesbian or even really bisexual. After Satsu she realised that she's pretty much straight. That sucks for Satsu, because she thought Buffy really did feel the same.



** It's none of the above. A way to highlight why is the question: why isn't ''Giles'' better at magic? How is it Willow was so much better than him (unless he was given power by his Devon coven friends) even though he's known about magic for ''decades'' and Willow's known about it for a handful of years?
Magical ability is ''inherent'' in the Buffyverse - you either have it, or you don't. Willow never knew she had the talent until she started looking after Jenny's death. Willow simply has the inherent, magical talent for witchcraft (in the official Buffy/Angel RPG, this is called Sorcery). Giles doesn't. Tara has/had it too, but is less powerful, if more cautious. This helps explain why Willow can throw spells around for fun and Giles has to do a ritual ''every'' time he does magic. The reason Buffy never learned Willow-style magic is that she ''can't'', bar a few easy-to-do rituals (for example the Tirer la Couture spell she managed to do by herself in Season 5).

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** It's none of the above. A way to highlight why is the question: why isn't ''Giles'' better at magic? How is it Willow was so much better than him (unless he was given power by his Devon coven friends) even though he's known about magic for ''decades'' and Willow's known about it for a handful of years?
years? Magical ability is ''inherent'' in the Buffyverse - you either have it, or you don't. Willow never knew she had the talent until she started looking after Jenny's death. Willow simply has the inherent, magical talent for witchcraft (in the official Buffy/Angel RPG, this is called Sorcery). Giles doesn't. Tara has/had it too, but is less powerful, if more cautious. This helps explain why Willow can throw spells around for fun and Giles has to do a ritual ''every'' time he does magic. The reason Buffy never learned Willow-style magic is that she ''can't'', bar a few easy-to-do rituals (for example the Tirer la Couture spell she managed to do by herself in Season 5).
30th Nov '15 8:50:52 AM DarkWillow
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** It's none of the above. A way to highlight why is the question: why isn't ''Giles'' better at magic? How is it Willow was so much better than him (unless he was given power by his Devon coven friends) even though he's known about magic for ''decades'' and Willow's known about it for a handful of years?
Magical ability is ''inherent'' in the Buffyverse - you either have it, or you don't. Willow never knew she had the talent until she started looking after Jenny's death. Willow simply has the inherent, magical talent for witchcraft (in the official Buffy/Angel RPG, this is called Sorcery). Giles doesn't. Tara has/had it too, but is less powerful, if more cautious. This helps explain why Willow can throw spells around for fun and Giles has to do a ritual ''every'' time he does magic. The reason Buffy never learned Willow-style magic is that she ''can't'', bar a few easy-to-do rituals (for example the Tirer la Couture spell she managed to do by herself in Season 5).
30th Nov '15 8:40:38 AM DarkWillow
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** Take away all technology beyond, let's say, Medieval levels. No one's being shot, blown up, napalmed, etc, no one can develop biological weapons, pollution has dropped massively. Sure, people in the first world and sufficiently rich people in the third world don't get to do crap anymore, but hey!
*** Except that there's no record of magic ever giving the world the same benefits that technology and learning has. Where with a removal of technology, billions of people would die, with the removal of magic, more people would live. Technology brought the world an increase in the quality of life of the entire world, whereas magic has done nothing of the kind.

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** Take away all technology beyond, let's say, Medieval levels. No one's being shot, blown up, napalmed, etc, no one can develop biological weapons, pollution has dropped massively. Sure, people The reasons are made quite clear by Willow in the first world and sufficiently rich people in the third world don't get to do crap anymore, but hey!
*** Except that there's no record of
Season 9. Removing magic ever giving the world the same benefits that technology and learning has. Where with a removal of technology, billions of people would die, with the removal of magic, means no more people would live. Technology brought meaningful, art, poetry, music etc. ''Ever''. As is pointed out, the world an increase in suicide rate is climbing steadily and even ''colours'' look wrong. She has a strong personal reason to want magic back, but she understands the quality of life of reasons why it's also bad for the entire whole human race. Also, demons are not removed when magic ends. They're all still here. As is quite clearly stated, ''inherently'' magical creatures like vampires, demons and Slayers ''stay'' magical while witches can't work magic any longer because it comes from the world, whereas magic has done nothing of the kind.not from them.


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*** There will always be demons and vampires (if magic had stayed gone). Changing the rules didn't end all demon life on earth - those things that were here already don't suddenly vanish. All demon life on Earth is descended from the Old Ones but with human aspects or genetics. That's why at one end you get beings like Brachens and Listers which are almost fully human, and at the other demons like the Old Ones that don't exist on this plane any more.


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** Who would know she was? It assumes Savidge or her sorcerer knowing about Buffy's death, Kendra's death, and Faith's activities in Sunnydale/L.A., most of which were generally 'off the grid'. Nobody would know for example that Faith had gone to California after vanishing from Boston.


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*** How is this odd? This has been their lives since they were all ''sixteen''. They don't really ''know'' any different now. As was explored in 'Helpless', Buffy is terrified of being 'normal' again. She couldn't go back to worrying about fashion and boys after being a Slayer and having that power, fighting those battles. It's the same for everyone as they grow into their adult selves post-S7.
6th Apr '15 10:23:59 PM ExarchofSechrima
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** Think of it like this. Buffy is the Captain America to Xander's Nick Fury,(eye-patch included) a fact even poked at in the books. Buffy leads the team into battle like a commander should, but Xander is the tactics and strategy guy.
6th Apr '15 10:19:50 PM ExarchofSechrima
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** Maybe not, but remember, Faith is also the True Slayer, just like Buffy, a fact probably known to the sorcerer advising Genevieve, who at the very least should clue her in that there was another potential usurper. (if Buffy were to die, Faith would probably be turned to next to lead)
27th Oct '14 5:51:13 PM kyeo
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** She's what, eighteen? And you're expecting her to be logical?
16th Sep '13 6:02:27 PM SeanRenaud
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**** We only see the First once prior to season 7 though and torturing Angel with Buffy probably wouldn't have worked at the time.
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