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30th Nov '15 8:47:16 PM Sarah1281
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**** Parker was looking for sex, and mislead Buffy into thinking he was genuinely interested in her. I mean, only a couple of episodes later he puts the ''exact'' same moves on Willow, who laughs in his face. The guy was pure dirt. Buffy didn't 'use' Satsu, if anything Satsu was the interested party and Buffy went along with it, but realised afterward that despite what she might want, she just isn't a lesbian or even really bisexual. After Satsu she realised that she's pretty much straight. That sucks for Satsu, because she thought Buffy really did feel the same.

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**** Parker was looking for sex, and mislead misled Buffy into thinking he was genuinely interested in her. I mean, only a couple of episodes later he puts the ''exact'' same moves on Willow, who laughs in his face. The guy was pure dirt. Buffy didn't 'use' Satsu, if anything Satsu was the interested party and Buffy went along with it, but realised afterward that despite what she might want, she just isn't a lesbian or even really bisexual. After Satsu she realised that she's pretty much straight. That sucks for Satsu, because she thought Buffy really did feel the same.
30th Nov '15 8:54:32 AM DarkWillow
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**** Parker was looking for sex, and mislead Buffy into thinking he was genuinely interested in her. I mean, only a couple of episodes later he puts the ''exact'' same moves on Willow, who laughs in his face. The guy was pure dirt. Buffy didn't 'use' Satsu, if anything Satsu was the interested party and Buffy went along with it, but realised afterward that despite what she might want, she just isn't a lesbian or even really bisexual. After Satsu she realised that she's pretty much straight. That sucks for Satsu, because she thought Buffy really did feel the same.



** It's none of the above. A way to highlight why is the question: why isn't ''Giles'' better at magic? How is it Willow was so much better than him (unless he was given power by his Devon coven friends) even though he's known about magic for ''decades'' and Willow's known about it for a handful of years?
Magical ability is ''inherent'' in the Buffyverse - you either have it, or you don't. Willow never knew she had the talent until she started looking after Jenny's death. Willow simply has the inherent, magical talent for witchcraft (in the official Buffy/Angel RPG, this is called Sorcery). Giles doesn't. Tara has/had it too, but is less powerful, if more cautious. This helps explain why Willow can throw spells around for fun and Giles has to do a ritual ''every'' time he does magic. The reason Buffy never learned Willow-style magic is that she ''can't'', bar a few easy-to-do rituals (for example the Tirer la Couture spell she managed to do by herself in Season 5).

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** It's none of the above. A way to highlight why is the question: why isn't ''Giles'' better at magic? How is it Willow was so much better than him (unless he was given power by his Devon coven friends) even though he's known about magic for ''decades'' and Willow's known about it for a handful of years?
years? Magical ability is ''inherent'' in the Buffyverse - you either have it, or you don't. Willow never knew she had the talent until she started looking after Jenny's death. Willow simply has the inherent, magical talent for witchcraft (in the official Buffy/Angel RPG, this is called Sorcery). Giles doesn't. Tara has/had it too, but is less powerful, if more cautious. This helps explain why Willow can throw spells around for fun and Giles has to do a ritual ''every'' time he does magic. The reason Buffy never learned Willow-style magic is that she ''can't'', bar a few easy-to-do rituals (for example the Tirer la Couture spell she managed to do by herself in Season 5).
30th Nov '15 8:50:52 AM DarkWillow
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** It's none of the above. A way to highlight why is the question: why isn't ''Giles'' better at magic? How is it Willow was so much better than him (unless he was given power by his Devon coven friends) even though he's known about magic for ''decades'' and Willow's known about it for a handful of years?
Magical ability is ''inherent'' in the Buffyverse - you either have it, or you don't. Willow never knew she had the talent until she started looking after Jenny's death. Willow simply has the inherent, magical talent for witchcraft (in the official Buffy/Angel RPG, this is called Sorcery). Giles doesn't. Tara has/had it too, but is less powerful, if more cautious. This helps explain why Willow can throw spells around for fun and Giles has to do a ritual ''every'' time he does magic. The reason Buffy never learned Willow-style magic is that she ''can't'', bar a few easy-to-do rituals (for example the Tirer la Couture spell she managed to do by herself in Season 5).
30th Nov '15 8:40:38 AM DarkWillow
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** Take away all technology beyond, let's say, Medieval levels. No one's being shot, blown up, napalmed, etc, no one can develop biological weapons, pollution has dropped massively. Sure, people in the first world and sufficiently rich people in the third world don't get to do crap anymore, but hey!
*** Except that there's no record of magic ever giving the world the same benefits that technology and learning has. Where with a removal of technology, billions of people would die, with the removal of magic, more people would live. Technology brought the world an increase in the quality of life of the entire world, whereas magic has done nothing of the kind.

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** Take away all technology beyond, let's say, Medieval levels. No one's being shot, blown up, napalmed, etc, no one can develop biological weapons, pollution has dropped massively. Sure, people The reasons are made quite clear by Willow in the first world and sufficiently rich people in the third world don't get to do crap anymore, but hey!
*** Except that there's no record of
Season 9. Removing magic ever giving the world the same benefits that technology and learning has. Where with a removal of technology, billions of people would die, with the removal of magic, means no more people would live. Technology brought meaningful, art, poetry, music etc. ''Ever''. As is pointed out, the world an increase in suicide rate is climbing steadily and even ''colours'' look wrong. She has a strong personal reason to want magic back, but she understands the quality of life of reasons why it's also bad for the entire whole human race. Also, demons are not removed when magic ends. They're all still here. As is quite clearly stated, ''inherently'' magical creatures like vampires, demons and Slayers ''stay'' magical while witches can't work magic any longer because it comes from the world, whereas magic has done nothing of the kind.not from them.


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*** There will always be demons and vampires (if magic had stayed gone). Changing the rules didn't end all demon life on earth - those things that were here already don't suddenly vanish. All demon life on Earth is descended from the Old Ones but with human aspects or genetics. That's why at one end you get beings like Brachens and Listers which are almost fully human, and at the other demons like the Old Ones that don't exist on this plane any more.


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** Who would know she was? It assumes Savidge or her sorcerer knowing about Buffy's death, Kendra's death, and Faith's activities in Sunnydale/L.A., most of which were generally 'off the grid'. Nobody would know for example that Faith had gone to California after vanishing from Boston.


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*** How is this odd? This has been their lives since they were all ''sixteen''. They don't really ''know'' any different now. As was explored in 'Helpless', Buffy is terrified of being 'normal' again. She couldn't go back to worrying about fashion and boys after being a Slayer and having that power, fighting those battles. It's the same for everyone as they grow into their adult selves post-S7.
6th Apr '15 10:23:59 PM ExarchofSechrima
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** Think of it like this. Buffy is the Captain America to Xander's Nick Fury,(eye-patch included) a fact even poked at in the books. Buffy leads the team into battle like a commander should, but Xander is the tactics and strategy guy.
6th Apr '15 10:19:50 PM ExarchofSechrima
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** Maybe not, but remember, Faith is also the True Slayer, just like Buffy, a fact probably known to the sorcerer advising Genevieve, who at the very least should clue her in that there was another potential usurper. (if Buffy were to die, Faith would probably be turned to next to lead)
27th Oct '14 5:51:13 PM kyeo
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** She's what, eighteen? And you're expecting her to be logical?
16th Sep '13 6:02:27 PM SeanRenaud
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**** We only see the First once prior to season 7 though and torturing Angel with Buffy probably wouldn't have worked at the time.
5th Aug '13 11:32:18 PM SeanRenaud
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** I think it's debatable any of them had any true interest in a normal life. Buffy gets angsty but mostly when she's up against the wall and doesn't want to die. When she loses her powers temporarily in Season 3 she's no where near celebratory about it. She never seems to seriously entertain the idea of Faith taking over either. She does talk about it in a sort of vague way but not the way that someone who wants out does. Willow doesn't want to hurt anybody and is afraid she'll go dark. I think she got over it when she awoke every Slayer on the planet. She basically had a crisis of confidence. Giles presumably like Wesley was born a Watcher and would ultimately lose it (remember originally plans were for Ripper to be a spin off for him) if he wasn't involved on some level. Xander is only there for his friends and if they left he'd probably follow. Woods being more qualified has nothing to do with it. Giles is more qualified, Riley is more qualified. Pretty much any trained martial artist would be better qualified than he is.


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**** Like a lot of things in the show it can be explained easily if you remember the Watchers are some combination of stupid and cruel. We don't really know how basic, basic magic is other than Willow (who's incredibly talented) could do it after casually reading a few books and Xander cast at least two spells (summoning of Sweet which is probably fantastically easy for obvious reasons, and setting fire to a book). However Buffy is as they say naturally buff. If taking a few days off a week from physical training could give her even low level magic the only reason not to is because Watchers don't actually want Slayers to live long enough to become independent and aware of who exactly holds the power between the two of them.
5th Aug '13 8:28:44 PM JIKTV
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* For 7 years Buffy has always wanted a normal life, made it known that's her wish on more than enough occasions. So did Willow near the beginning of Season 7 wanting to get rid of the magic and power she gained. Xander who has always been normal and could seemingly make the break for having a normal easiest has said that life would be easier without the constant monster attack. So there's all that then the comics show up and instead everyone has the exact opposite of a normal life, Buffy and Xander head up a paramilitary organization of Slayers, Willow is deeper into magic than she ever was in the show. Did anyone even try a normal life? I mean sure there was no way they ever could, you don't fight vampires,demons, and gods for 7 years and just cut and run, but damn, give it a try. There's now over 1500 slayers, other witches of comparable power, no offense to Xander but Robin Wood has shown that there are other {{Badass Normals}}. There was no reason they couldn't have attempted some sense of normalcy.

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* For 7 years Buffy has always wanted a normal life, made it known that's her wish on more than enough occasions. So did Willow near the beginning of Season 7 wanting to get rid of the magic and power she gained. Xander who has always been normal and could seemingly make the break for having a normal easiest has said that life would be easier without the constant monster attack. So there's all that then the comics show up and instead everyone has the exact opposite of a normal life, Buffy and Xander head up a paramilitary organization of Slayers, Willow is deeper into magic than she ever was in the show. Did anyone even try a normal life? I mean sure there was no way they ever could, you don't fight vampires,demons, and gods for 7 years and just cut and run, but damn, give it a try. There's now over 1500 slayers, other witches of comparable power, no offense to Xander but Robin Wood has shown that there are other {{Badass Normals}}.Normal}}s. There was no reason they couldn't have attempted some sense of normalcy.
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