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The vampires didn’t really took control of the city as much as terrorize it by the nights. Sounds a lot like Detroit or Ciudad Juarez, hardly enough for the government to send the Military to handle the issue, especially in the case of a very small town in the middle of California. We have cities in real life that are not so different than Sunnydale in The Wishverse.

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The *The vampires didn’t really took control of the city as much as terrorize it by the nights. Sounds a lot like Detroit or Ciudad Juarez, hardly enough for the government to send the Military to handle the issue, especially in the case of a very small town in the middle of California. We have cities in real life that are not so different than Sunnydale in The Wishverse.
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The vampires didn’t really took control of the city as much as terrorize it by the nights. Sounds a lot like Detroit or Ciudad Juarez, hardly enough for the government to send the Military to handle the issue, especially in the case of a very small town in the middle of California. We have cities in real life that are not so different than Sunnydale in The Wishverse.


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After Buffy fight the demons that imprisoned and enslaved the teens in Los Angeles she saves just like half a dozen of them, the rest (and seem to be a big number) remained behind and the interdimensional door is closed. Yes, she killed the leader and a large number of the demons, but some should had survive (some were just hit, not stab or something like that). But even if all the demons were killed, did all the other human slaves just get trapped forever in that dimension?
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* Because of The Mayor, the series make clear that The Mayor kept the city with certain level of stability in order to fulfill his aspirations. The police knew about the existence of vampires for example as shown in season 1. Yes, The Mayor to some degree let the minor monsters to kill once in a while, but an Apocalypse level event (you know, besides the one he was planning) that’s another issue.
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**And for the guy who was turn into a demon and sent to be tortured in some sort of hell dimension, well maybe that's why he does the thing he does in season 6; because the curse broke and he is now free. He manages to learn shapeshifting magic, so maybe he reassumes the look that Anyanka gave to him but in order to be recognized by her (or angrily showing her why he is so mad) but he could choose a different look.
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* Possibly another case of "I forgot, OK?" on JossWhedon's part, but bear with me: in "The Wish", Anya's first appearance, Giles says that destroying her power center will cause all the wishes she's ever granted to be canceled and it works, so supposedly they were, but in season 6 (and some other cases I can't really remember), it's explicitly shown that the wishes weren't undone - this guy Anya turned into a demon decades ago was still a demon. It's even shown at a certain point that she caused the Russian communist revolution, so wouldn't that have been undone as well? I realize this is probably just BroadStrokes, but I had to.

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* Possibly another case of "I forgot, OK?" on JossWhedon's Creator/JossWhedon's part, but bear with me: in "The Wish", Anya's first appearance, Giles says that destroying her power center will cause all the wishes she's ever granted to be canceled and it works, so supposedly they were, but in season 6 (and some other cases I can't really remember), it's explicitly shown that the wishes weren't undone - this guy Anya turned into a demon decades ago was still a demon. It's even shown at a certain point that she caused the Russian communist revolution, so wouldn't that have been undone as well? I realize this is probably just BroadStrokes, but I had to.
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****For that matter, Xander regularly tells his parents that he's staying over at Willows for an all night study session, and they seem pretty okay with that.
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** That's a problem I've had with that episode too: how much more awesome would it have been to really follow up on the what-if premise from "Prophecy Girl", to have the Hellmouth open, demons wandering the Earth and the traumatized remains of human society clinging to a threadbare veneer of daylight normalcy (in other words, kinda like what we saw in Wishworld Sunnydale, except it's like that ''everywhere''). It's tempting to say that's outside the scope of a TV show, but Joss eventually did exactly that sort of story in ''{{Dollhouse}}'', and it was incredible. But anyway, as for Darla, I'd guess that the White Hats fought and killed her in one of their early battles. The Master's disciple Luke is also missing: if Giles and the gang staked Luke and Darla early on, the Master might have captured and turned Xander and Willow into his new disciples as his way of evening the score.

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** That's a problem I've had with that episode too: how much more awesome would it have been to really follow up on the what-if premise from "Prophecy Girl", to have the Hellmouth open, demons wandering the Earth and the traumatized remains of human society clinging to a threadbare veneer of daylight normalcy (in other words, kinda like what we saw in Wishworld Sunnydale, except it's like that ''everywhere''). It's tempting to say that's outside the scope of a TV show, but Joss eventually did exactly that sort of story in ''{{Dollhouse}}'', ''{{Series/Dollhouse}}'', and it was incredible. But anyway, as for Darla, I'd guess that the White Hats fought and killed her in one of their early battles. The Master's disciple Luke is also missing: if Giles and the gang staked Luke and Darla early on, the Master might have captured and turned Xander and Willow into his new disciples as his way of evening the score.

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*** Most Buffy episodes involve the Scoobies taking on a monster of the week, and while most of those monsters of the weak will have successfully menaced Sunnydale, equivalent monsters of the week will have been beaten back by Buffy in Cleveland. Sucks for Sunnydale, but Cleveland is better off. Furthermore, several monsters of the week are somewhere between slightly and extremely likely to take Giles' side of the fight, not the Master's. Amy's mother Catherine, for example, will successfully witch her way onto the Sunnydale High cheerleader squad and thus be invested in the status quo, and side with Giles against the vampiric invaders. Marcy from Out of Sight, Out of Mind might also end up taking Giles' side in the long run. Plus, we know that a different gang of Scoobies was assembled by Giles, one that's likely far more prone to taking losses...But it was only slightly smaller than the Scooby team in the main Buffyverse, which implies that it's had several times as many members as the Buffyverse Scoobies. In addition, the Master and the Mayor are not going to get along, and although neither of them are likely to side with Giles, the conflict between the two gives the good guys some breathing room. The Master also appears to have won, putting the Mayor's ascension plans permanently to rest. Spike came to Sunnydale looking for the Slayer to add another notch to his belt. He probably would've headed to Cleveland instead in the Wishverse, and without Angelus around to even up the odds, he almost certainly would've gotten himself and Drusilla staked by the end of the Wishverse's season two.

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*** Most Buffy episodes involve the Scoobies taking on a monster of the week, and while most of those monsters of the weak week will have successfully menaced Sunnydale, equivalent monsters of the week will have been beaten back by Buffy in Cleveland. Sucks for Sunnydale, but Cleveland is better off. Furthermore, several monsters of the week are somewhere between slightly and extremely likely to take Giles' side of the fight, not the Master's. Amy's mother Catherine, for example, will successfully witch her way onto the Sunnydale High cheerleader squad and thus be invested in the status quo, and side with Giles against the vampiric invaders. Marcy from Out of Sight, Out of Mind might also end up taking Giles' side in the long run. Plus, we know that a different gang of Scoobies was assembled by Giles, one that's likely far more prone to taking losses...But it was only slightly smaller than the Scooby team in the main Buffyverse, which implies that it's had several times as many members as the Buffyverse Scoobies. In addition, the Master and the Mayor are not going to get along, and although neither of them are likely to side with Giles, the conflict between the two gives the good guys some breathing room. The Master also appears to have won, putting the Mayor's ascension plans permanently to rest. Spike came to Sunnydale looking for the Slayer to add another notch to his belt. He probably would've headed to Cleveland instead in the Wishverse, and without Angelus around to even up the odds, he almost certainly would've gotten himself and Drusilla staked by the end of the Wishverse's season two.


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[[folder: The Wishverse doesn't make sense.]]
There are a lot of things in the Wishverse that don't seem to add up.
* First what happened that made that world so crapsack? It's heavily implied that Buffy is very busy running around with her Slayer duties. So much in fact that Sunnydale is taken over by vampires and the Watcher's Council had other better things to use Buffy on. Little if any of which happened in the regular Buffyverse. It can't be that the Master opened the Hell mouth because we know the physical location of said Hellmouth and the library was still there and being used as a base for the White Hats. Besides in the grand scheme of things vampires aren't very powerful. While it's not impossible in the long term that vampires could defeat demons, after all regular humans did it with just one slayer in no way does less than three years have them concerned more over having fun than defending their turf.
* Which leads to how did the vampires stay in charge? Without the Masquerade to protect them vampires aren't that big of a problem. Even if you assume the Initiative couldn't handle them in fair fights once they start taking over cities you bomb them. During the day. Sure there is collateral damage but you evac the citizens during daylight hours and start burning things and you win and that world looked bad enough to justify doing some property damage.
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* Did we ever find out for sure he was going to shoot himself? Maybe the gun was a last resort and he planned on jumping.
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*** Where do we get the idea that he even could miss his launch window? He transformed all on his own and while he was eating people I don't remember anything stating he had to eat people. Dropping him in the bay with tons of fish might be a very bad plan.
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** Willow has an unfortunate habit of retconning her own past in her head.
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** If their objective is ultimately to put him on ice until they can find a way to kill him permanently, they are under no obligation to make his confinement in any way comfortable or humane. Which means nothing stops them from sealing him into a barrel and dropping him overboard in the middle of the bay, as was done to Angel after the season 3 finale of [=AtS=]. They could have done this at any time after the Hundred Days began, and since he dies if he simply misses his launch window on Graduation Day for the Ascension, that's all they'd have to do.
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In the United States, minors cannot own firearms, period. Even when they\'re regularly using them under adult supervision the owner of record has to be their parents, or the Boy Scout camp, or some adult. So yeah, Jonathan\'s limited to whatever he can swipe from his dad\'s gun cabinet.


***** As a minor, it's unlikely Jonathan was able to purchase a gun legally for his suicide plan, and until Season 6, he didn't really seem like someone who'd be likely to have black market connections. As someone above said, there's a good chance the gun was his dad's, or another relative's, and he had to settle for whatever he could get his hands on.

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***** As a minor, it's unlikely minor Jonathan was able to cannot legally purchase a gun legally for his suicide plan, gun, and until Season 6, 6 he didn't really seem like someone who'd be likely to have black market connections. As someone above said, there's a good chance the gun was his dad's, or another relative's, and he had to settle for whatever he could get his hands on.
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** Also, we don't know much about her parents. There's two kinds of people that get in: those with overly great applications, and those with connections. Hell, there's been controversy lately because it's been discovered that kids are automatically passing classes because it's felt like they've paid for it, so they deserve to pass. Basically, corruption could have gotten her in, via her parents.
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** Faith acted genuinely surprised when Buffy mentioned that the cure was Slayer blood so that part is easy enough. Whether or not the Mayor knew the cure is up in the air as far as I remember, but it seems perfectly in character for him to assume that Faith could beat Buffy and that, consequently, Buffy would be out of the picture one way or another.
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** Wasn't there an episode in Season 2 where the government tried to recruit Willow right out of high school after seeing her aptitude test results? That might turn a few college recruiters' heads.

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** Wasn't there an episode in Season 2 where the government Microsoft tried to recruit Willow right out of high school after seeing her aptitude test results? That might turn a few college recruiters' heads.
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*** In real life, people have done themselves in with rifles like that by sticking the barrel in their mouths and pulling the trigger with their big toe.
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*** Xander may not LEGALLY have to answer to his parents. Most people who live under their parent's roofs still answer to their parents regardless of the legal reality of the situation. Joyce was worried about Faith spending Christmas ALONE. Xander wasn't spending Christmas alone, he probably ate dinner with his folks and would wake up to presents and hung over parents. In addition Joyce didn't even meet Angel until AFTER the two had sex. Buffy could have been up to all sorts of sex but Joyce was actively trying to get her out of slaying at that point. The only reason she was so nice to Faith was because Faith was a living breathing OUT for her daughter. Finally we don't know that Xander had a horrible home life. They could easily have thrown him out at eighteen and didn't. He didn't have to invite them to his wedding and he did. I suspect that him sleeping outside for Christmas was something akin to Willow going to his house to watch Christmas Specials, at worst a minor annoyance but nothing horrible.
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** In season three the cast are in their final year of high school making them seventeen or eighteen and Buffy turning eighteen led to Helpless. Xander doesn't have to be honest with his parents about where he was going if he thought they would react badly and given how neglectful they were they might not have even minded. But if Joyce was that concerned about Faith being alone in a motel on Christmas do you really think she would have told Buffy that no she couldn't have Xander over and he would have to just sleep outside to avoid his family's drunken fighting because there was the slight possibility that she'd have sex with the guy she's never been interested in but who at least is human and not a vampire while her mother is in the house? Maybe the Joyce of the first two seasons wouldn't have allowed it but after finding out about the Slaying I can't imagine why she would suddenly start insisting that Buffy can't have a platonic guy friend spending the night because of Sex. Since Buffy can literally be gone at any hour without being all that specific because of things like patrol or vampires, she could easily be getting up to all kinds of sex every single day so there's actually less chance of it happening there at home. And the fact that Xander makes something rather horrible seem like just a casual tradition of his adds to the horror because it's so normal to him.
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* He sleeps outside on Christmas Eve to avoid his family's drunken fights, presumably more than just his mother and father. Season three happens while the cast are somewhere between fifteen and seventeen. How many parents on either end do you think would be accepting of a boy/girl/girl sleep over? Sure we know that the best Xander could hope for spending the night with Faith and Buffy would be them letting him pick the Christmas specials but what little we learn about his parents suggests they are benignly neglectful not outright bad parents. Assuming school starts in September in Sunnydale (like it did in most places in California at that time, now its in August) Buffy has only been back from her walkabout three or four months and Faith is Faith. Call my paranoid but I know what presents I would expect to be unwrapped if I were Joyce. Also Xander doesn't make sleeping in the backyard really sound horrible so much as a tradition of his.
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Granted it wasn't cold but Buffy and Willow both knew that he was sleeping outside to avoid his parents' drunken fights. Willow at least had a romantic reconnection with Oz planned and having Xander anywhere near that is going to ruin it (she's lucky that Oz was cool getting back together with her still spending most of her time with Xander) but what about Buffy? She invited Faith over and Giles was only not invited because Joyce still felt awkward about the Band Candy sex. She didn't even seem to suggest having him over.
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* Because people aren't emotionless logic-bots who immediately forgive all grudges, wrongs and vendettas just because someone points out a mildly logical argument.
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** Spike sneaks up behind Joyce in "Lover's Walk" so there goes that idea. But there is the possibility that Buffy just ''forgot'' to perform the ritual. Directly after she kills Angel, she packs her things and leaves Sunnydale. She's incredibly distressed over her mother seemingly kicking her out of the house and having to kill Angel. By the time she gets everything sorted and returns home, she's just forgotten that Spike can enter her home. And after he leaves in "Lover's Walk", she has a lot of drama to deal with, issues with Angel and being there for her friends after their relationships with Oz and Cordelia ended. She just forgets about it because it's not a pressing concern (Spike says both times he's leaving and not coming back) and she has other things on her mind.
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** Xander was perhaps not quite as bad as the beginning of the episode showed, but he was still basically the laughing stock of the scoobies outside of their group. Take another look at the episode. It is not showing how cool he is in the group, it is showing how uncool he is to everyone else. The scoobies never think of him as uncool, and do think of him as an integral part of their circle. Outside of that circle he is that same guy we see skateboarding and falling like a schmuck on site of a pretty girl in the first episode. The episode deals with a distinct turning point in his character and a change in HIS viewing of himself through other people's eyes. It is about how he turns from the awkward kid to a kick-ass hero. And look at the change in his character afterward. He lives up to the change and is no longer just comic fodder. Well... not ''just''.

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** Xander was perhaps not quite as bad as the beginning of the episode showed, but he was still basically the laughing stock of the scoobies outside of their group. Take another look at the episode. It is not showing how cool he is in the group, it is showing how uncool he is to everyone else. The scoobies never think of him as uncool, and do think of him as an integral part of their circle. Outside of that circle he is that same guy we see skateboarding and falling like a schmuck on site sight of a pretty girl in the first episode. The episode deals with a distinct turning point in his character and a change in HIS viewing of himself through other people's eyes. It is about how he turns from the awkward kid to a kick-ass hero. And look at the change in his character afterward. He lives up to the change and is no longer just comic fodder. Well... not ''just''.
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** Xander was perhaps not quite as bad as the beginning of the episode showed, but he was still basically the laughing stock of the scoobies outside of their group. Take another look at the episode. It is not showing how cool he is in the group, it is showing how uncool he is to everyone else. The scoobies never think of him as uncool, and do think of him as an integral part of their circle. Outside of that circle he is that same guy we see skateboarding and falling like a schmuck on site of a pretty girl in the first episode. The episode deals with a distinct turning point in his character and a change in HIS viewing of himself through other people's eyes. It is about how he turns from the awkward kid to a kick-ass hero. And look at the change in his character afterward. He lives up to the change and is no longer just comic fodder. Well... not ''just''.
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** Maybe I misunderstood something here, but wouldn't Kendra be a non-activated Slayer (i.e. a normal human) if Buffy had never come to Sunnydale?
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* Of course, it's entirely possible that the invitation was revoked, and that Joyce invited him in again.
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** Since she was turned instead of being killed outright, that means that a vamp had to have taken her away and fed her it's blood after the battle. We see her getting bit when the students fall back, but that's the last we see. The question is how a vamp carrying a to-go meal would have gotten past all of people armed with stakes, axes, and flame throwers. You'd think it would have just ditched her as dead weight.

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** She was probably either taken away by a vampire or buried under the rubble when the school exploded. After the explosion, emergency services arrived. Who, exactly, would be able to take a roll call of survivors in the middle of the subsequent police investigation?[[/folder]]

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** Or maybe there was a role call and Harmony ''was'' found dead, but none of our MainCharacters cared enough about Harmony to notice and/or remember.
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** Wasn't there an episode in Season 2 where the government tried to recruit Willow right out of high school after seeing her aptitude test results? That might turn a few college recruiters' heads.

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