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21st Apr '16 2:20:38 PM SeanRenaud
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*** Agreed. Except there were likely other ensouled vampires. The Orb of Thesulah after all seems to ensoul things. Fannon claims it curses people to suffer. That however worked on Angel one out of three times. One can attempt to claim that giving him his soul back just in time to witness the world ending at his hand in S2 would qualify as suffering. No such claim holds for Angel S4. Making him suffer would have been swapping him and Angelus. Letting Angelus remain in control but Angel forced to watch helpless as his evil side killed his friends and family. If we accept that then the gypsies must have cursed at least a few other vamps over the centuries. They were simply extremely rare and all dead prior to the Angel's being cursed. Alternatively they didn't qualify as heroes if you believe the Shanshu Curse was really acting up as opposed to Lindsey and Eve doing something to activate those disasters.
20th Apr '16 5:49:03 AM DarkWillow
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** There is no logical reason for this to be the case, and no evidence for it, so this has to go into the 'Wild Mass Guessing' pile. Using a single line from a spell as justification for a strange 'ensouled Master' theory is conjecture at its worst. They wouldn't have made such a big deal of Angel being given his soul if it had happened several times through history.


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** In-universe, Darla knows roughly what happened but not the exact terms and conditions of the curse. Only Janna/Jenny and her uncle, both Kalderash, were presented as having any grasp of the actual terms, and even they didn't have any way of translating the actual spell to check the wording. This is enough to make her try to 'force' Angel back into the fold - after all, he's shunned other vampires for a century. By forcing him back into their habits and society he may return to the fold. They don't have enough of the details to know whether this would work or fail, so they tried it. Unfortunately later episodes 'filled out' the backstories of Angelus, Spike and Darla to a degree that stays just the right side of retcons, allowing cool flashbacks but also slightly infringing upon the tone of certain interactions from earlier on in the series. One I particularly dislike is the three other members of the 'Whirlwind' (Darla, Spike and Drusilla) visiting and largely massacring the gypsies that cursed Angelus, with Darla trying to bargain for them to change him back. This doesn't really fit with the chronologically later S1 episodes with Darla and Angel's interactions with Spike in early S2, though in 'School Hard' it is plain to see that Spike did look up to Angelus and saw straight through his claim to be a 'normal' vampire again (yet more evidence of Spike's observation skills).
19th Feb '16 3:39:51 PM timemonkey
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** The simple answer is that seeking out witches wasn't an option. Darla's not strong enough threaten a witch of sufficient power to mess with souls. The Master has the power and rescources but doesn't care that much, he likes the mayhem Angelus causes but their personal relationship isn't all that great.
8th Feb '16 1:44:32 PM SeanRenaud
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[[folder: Darla, The Master and Angel]]
*Angel has a soul that was forced on him by the Gypsies. Darla and the Master spend a fair amount of time and energy attempting to turn Angel over to their side instead of the more rational options of accepting it cannot be done certainly not the means they are employing. Angel is not good because he woke up one day and realized that vampires are evil and he wants to be good! No he was cursed with a soul and Darla knows this and presumably so does the Master. Even if he'd somehow managed to kill Buffy it wouldn't have made Angel join them again. Best case scenario he limps off to never never comeback land or commits suicide. Slightly more likely he goes on the warpath against them. No attempts are ever made to our knowledge to magically extract the soul from him. Granted flashbacks of the Master suggest that he was never fond of Angelus and all that stuff he spouted in S1 is just EarlyInstallmentWeirdness but Darla would have tried to find a witch or two and force them to fix Angelus and we see no indications either tried this. S2 has Angel (fail) trying to fool Spike into thinking he's evil and that his good persona is just an act he puts on so she doesn't bother him. Spike like Darla however knows what really happened so really both of them were terminally retarded there.
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4th Dec '15 11:17:33 PM grahamburger
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***Cover is an entry fee. You might, if an event promoter or club manager is feeling like they need some bonus gimmicks to get people inside, get extras with your cover charge such as a drink ticket or a flowering onion voucher. Doubtful a cover charge would include gimmicks in a town where there is apparently no competition in the nightlife industry. But you never know. Maybe the Bronze's manager is super generous because he knows he's making a killing at the door?
11th Nov '14 9:19:36 AM chuckg
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*** Whether or not anyone noticed isn't the problem, whether or not they actually bothered to report it to a teacher is. Given the usual level of good order and discipline in that madhouse, the answer is "they probably didn't".
3rd Aug '14 3:15:01 AM Watergirl909
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* However, as someone above pointed out, it would explain a bit. After all, when Angel sired a guy, things turned out weird due to his own soul. Perhaps The Master, in life, was an evil emperor who got sired and just just kept being an evil emperor. One of his subjects tried to put the soul back in, maybe thinking the soul and the demon would kill each other due to overloading the body, and instead, The Master just continued being the exact same guy as before. After all, how would somebody know what a soul would do to a vampire without trying it beforehand? The gypsies knew it wouldn't kill Angel(us), so it had to have been done before.
30th Jan '14 5:33:37 PM OmarKarindu
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** Also, wasn't it implied that the revival somehow powered Buffy up a bit? She certainly has a lot less trouble fighting the Master and other vampires from that point forward.
29th Nov '13 3:22:33 PM SeanRenaud
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** This is partially (possibly) addressed in Season 7. She probably didn't simply wake up one morning invisible, instead she probably faded from sight over several days, weeks, months possibly even years. It's directly mentioned by both Willow and Xander that they shared several classes with her and never noticed her and she was constantly trying to involve herself with Cordelia. We don't really know the mechanics of what happened other than it was apparently a frequent enough ocurrance that the Government (Initiative) understood what was going on and had an on going program for when someone with that particular ailment arrived. Knowing that there are either a LOT of Hellmouths or kids turning invisible because too many people ignore them has little to do with the Hellmouth.
22nd Nov '13 3:41:16 PM SeanRenaud
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*** Out of Universe I always assumed that part of the prophesy was met when Buffy and the gang screwed up and went after the Preacher instead of the child. In-Universe prophesies are tricky things as the Master tells us. Buffy didn't KNOW the Anointed in a Biblical way, it frankly wouldn't the last time that exact wording was important in these things.
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