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** Yeah, I was just thinking about this. It's like Jesse has experienced an odd form of BrotherChuck.ChuckCunninghamSyndrome.
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** Also if she felt so ignored that she literally became invisible, it's also possible that her parents ALSO contributed to her feeling that way, and didn't even pay enough attention to her to be concerned about her vanishing from their lives. Maybe her parents were divorced and just assumed that she was with the other, being too busy with their own lives to actually bother to check. Maybe one or both fell victim to the many hazards of daily life in Sunnydale. The big point with Marcie is that NO ONE noticed her, which would probably include her parents.
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** For Xander, he develops an intense hatred of vampires immediately following this. Note that he distrusts Angel and Spike when they're with Buffy but not Riley, so we can't just chalk it up to jealousy. So there is some lingering angst about Jesse dying that's manifesting as a hatred towards any vampire. For what it's worth, they did want the First to impersonate Jesse and haunt Xander but Eric Balfour wasn't available.
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Why is the Master go by "The Master", and why does no other vamp go by a title like that?
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** The Master was mentioned to be the head of the Order of Aurelius. The Order itself is vague and undefined (because season one didn't really think in terms of the greater worldbuilding details), and once the Annointed One bites the dust, they're pretty much forgotten about, aside from being boss fights in the Xbox game, but presumably that's what he's "the Master" of.
** The Master was mentioned to be the head of the Order of Aurelius. The Order itself is vague and undefined (because season one didn't really think in terms of the greater worldbuilding details), and once the Annointed One bites the dust, they're pretty much forgotten about, aside from being boss fights in the Xbox game, but presumably that's what he's "the Master" of.
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Why is the Master go by "The Master", and why does no other vamp go by a title like that?
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*** This is outright confirmed in the comics; Xander admits that he'd only seen the face of his friend when he'd staked Jesse and remembers it every time he sees a vampire. That said, the concept is woefully underdeveloped in the show and it would have been nice for his character to see some growth in this regard, especially since later seasons often didn't seem to know what to do with him.
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** Seasons 8-12 and Angel & Faith are meant to be canon, Whedon has said that outright.
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** For Xander, he develops an intense hatred of vampires immediately following this. Note that he distrusts Angel and Spike when they're with Buffy but not Riley, so we can't just chalk it up to jealousy. So there is some lingering angst about Jesse dying that's manifesting as a hatred towards any vampire. For what it's worth, they did want the First to impersonate Jesse and haunt Xander but Eric Balfour wasn't available.
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** Maybe he just has vague memories of what the hyenas did, but the hyenas were in control so Xander doesn't remember the nitty gritty details. Granted it's been a while since I watched that episode, so I can't remember if he clarifies how specifically he remembers.
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** And it was the 90s before Columbine and before a school shooting every other month. The writers wouldn't have awareness of regular catastrophes and how schools get affected by them because the 90s were considered a boring peaceful time for the most part.
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** Don't the Master and Darla mainly want Buffy to turn against Angel? That's why Darla makes it look like he was about to feed on Joyce. He's been helping the Slayer, so they try to fix things that the Slayer doesn't want his help and in fact has it out for him. One of two things hopefully happens: a) Buffy treats him like an enemy and kills him or b) he goes ThenLetMeBeEvil and joins them out of desperation. Either way, the Slayer is down a powerful ally. But [[EvilCannotComprehendGood being evil]], they didn't forsee option c) Angel confides in Buffy the truth and she accepts him.
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** The comics aren't canon and the cheerleader tryouts banner could just be from the previous year and no one in the school was arsed getting it updated - what with a body being recently found on campus.
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*** Except that "[[Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS3E18TheProm The Prom]]" references "hyena people!" so someone clearly remembered it.
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* In 'Out of Mind Out of Sight' Marcy becomes invisible after being constantly ignored by her peers, and moves into the school. Fine, so her classmates don't notice her missing but what about her parents? Surely they would notice her not coming home one day and at least ask the school to announce her disappearance.
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* In 'Out "[[Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS1E11OutOfMindOutOfSight Out of Mind Out of Sight' Sight]]" Marcy becomes invisible after being constantly ignored by her peers, and moves into the school. Fine, so her classmates don't notice her missing but what about her parents? Surely they would notice her not coming home one day and at least ask the school to announce her disappearance.
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** [[WeirdnessCensor Sunnydale Syndrome]]: when you live in that town you get used to putting the random, inexplicable, and/or violent deaths of people close to you ''firmly'' in the past.
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* In the first-season episode "The Pack", Giles and Xander reveal to the audience that Xander remembers everything from being possessed by hyenas. Xander wasn't the only one who got possessed-- which means the evil clique at school still remembers being turned into hyenas and ''eating the principal''. This is never dealt with.
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* In the first-season episode "The Pack", "[[Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS1E6ThePack The Pack]]", Giles and Xander reveal to the audience that Xander remembers everything from being possessed by hyenas. Xander wasn't the only one who got possessed-- which means the evil clique at school still remembers being turned into hyenas and ''eating the principal''. This is never dealt with.
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** Xander has also become immune to Sunnydale Syndrome, SunnydaleSyndrome, the others on the other hand presumably forgot it the way people forget being attacked by vampires and demons
*** Except that"The Prom" "[[Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS3E18TheProm The Prom]]" references "hyena people!" so someone clearly remembered it.
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* In the second episode of the first season "[[Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS1E2TheHarvest The Harvest]]", the Master uses strange expression: "My blood is your blood, my soul is your soul." But at every point after this it's made clear that no vampire save for the two special cases has a soul of any kind.
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*** Agreed. Except there were likely other ensouled vampires. The Orb of Thesulah after all seems to ensoul things. Fannon claims it curses people to suffer. That however worked on Angel one out of three times. One can attempt to claim that giving him his soul back just in time to witness the world ending at his hand in S2 would qualify as suffering. No such claim holds for Angel S4. Making him suffer would have been swapping him and Angelus. Letting Angelus remain in control but Angel forced to watch helpless as his evil side killed his friends and family. If we accept that then the gypsies must have cursed at least a few other vamps over the centuries. They were simply extremely rare and all dead prior to the Angel's being cursed. Alternatively they didn't qualify as heroes if you believe the Shanshu Curse was really acting up as opposed to Lindsey and Eve doing something to activate those disasters.
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*** Agreed. Except there were likely other ensouled vampires. The Orb of Thesulah after all seems to ensoul things. Fannon claims it curses people to suffer. That however worked on Angel one out of three times. One can attempt to claim that giving him his soul back just in time to witness the world ending at his hand in S2 would qualify as suffering. No such claim holds for Angel ''Series/{{Angel}}'' S4. Making him suffer would have been swapping him and Angelus. Letting Angelus remain in control but Angel forced to watch helpless as his evil side killed his friends and family. If we accept that then the gypsies must have cursed at least a few other vamps over the centuries. They were simply extremely rare and all dead prior to the Angel's being cursed. Alternatively they didn't qualify as heroes if you believe the Shanshu Curse was really acting up as opposed to Lindsey and Eve doing something to activate those disasters.
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** They pretty thoroughly cover in season three that Sunnydale has a very literal disease where they block and just charge forward. Considering how much stuff goes down in plain sight, like the attacks at the Bronze, in the Harvest and again in Dopplegangland, and a troll later than that. Zombies at Buffy's party. Whether it's just that people have trained themselves to accept death and charge forward or if it's a spell cast by Mayor Wilkins similar to Glory's, it's established very quickly that in Sunnydale dead people happen.
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* It has to be asked, and it never really was explained. In ''I robot, you Jane'' Jenny Calendar states that she a techno-pagan. She never really elaborates on what powers/abilities that grants her, how, why or when she became one, or what that even means. It's only ever brought up in passing twice ever again, and Jenny is the only character we've seen throughout the entire buffyverse who seems to study it. What exactly ''is'' technopaganism?
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* It has to be asked, and it never really was explained. In ''I robot, you Jane'' "[[Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS1E8IRobotYouJane I Robot, You Jane]]", Jenny Calendar states that she a techno-pagan. She never really elaborates on what powers/abilities that grants her, how, why or when she became one, or what that even means. It's only ever brought up in passing twice ever again, and Jenny is the only character we've seen throughout the entire buffyverse who seems to study it. What exactly ''is'' technopaganism?
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* I always thought 1997 makes more sense. Buffy is sixteen in 'The Harvest' (which takes place immediately after 'Welcome to the Hellmouth') and she turns seventeen in 'Surprise' so there ''has'' to be less than an in-universe year between the start of the series and mid-Season Two and her birthday is firmly fixed in January for the rest of the show. Buffy's tombstone at the end of Season Five has her birth year as 1981, which matches her turning sixteen very early in 1997 and the show starting almost immediately after in late January. Dialogue in 'Halloween' also suggests Buffy wasn't in Sunnydale before November 1996 at the absolute earliest because it is the first Halloween she's spent with Xander and Willow. However, we also have the '1996 Cheerleader Tryouts' banner in 'The Witch' and I think some of the comics put 'Welcome to the Hellmouth' late in 1996. So which is it?
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* I always thought 1997 makes more sense. Buffy is sixteen in 'The Harvest' "[[Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS1E2TheHarvest The Harvest]]" (which takes place immediately after 'Welcome "[[Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS1E1WelcomeToTheHellmouth Welcome to the Hellmouth') Hellmouth]]") and she turns seventeen in 'Surprise' so there ''has'' to be less than an in-universe year between the start of the series and mid-Season Two and her birthday is firmly fixed in January for the rest of the show. Buffy's tombstone at the end of Season Five has her birth year as 1981, which matches her turning sixteen very early in 1997 and the show starting almost immediately after in late January. Dialogue in 'Halloween' "[[Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS2E6Halloween Halloween]]" also suggests Buffy wasn't in Sunnydale before November 1996 at the absolute earliest because it is the first Halloween she's spent with Xander and Willow. However, we also have the '1996 Cheerleader Tryouts' banner in 'The Witch' "[[Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS1E3TheWitch The Witch]]" and I think some of the comics put 'Welcome "Welcome to the Hellmouth' Hellmouth" late in 1996. So which is it?
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* I always thought 1997 makes more sense. Buffy is sixteen in 'The Harvest' (which takes place immediately after 'Welcome to the Hellmouth') and she turns seventeen in 'Surprise' so there ''has'' to be less than an in-universe year between the start of the series and mid-Season Two and her birthday is firmly fixed in January for the rest of the show. Buffy's tombstone at the end of Season Five has her birth year as 1981, which matches her turning sixteen very early in 1997 and the show starting almost immediately after in late January. Dialogue in 'Halloween' also suggests Buffy wasn't in Sunnydale before November 1996 at the absolute earliest because it is the first Halloween she's spent with Xander and Willow. However, we also have the '1996 Cheerleader Tryouts' banner in 'The Witch' and I think some of the comics put 'Welcome to the Hellmouth' late in 1996. So which is it?
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*** Agreed. Except there were likely other ensouled vampires. The Orb of Thesulah after all seems to ensoul things. Fannon claims it curses people to suffer. That however worked on Angel one out of three times. One can attempt to claim that giving him his soul back just in time to witness the world ending at his hand in S2 would qualify as suffering. No such claim holds for Angel S4. Making him suffer would have been swapping him and Angelus. Letting Angelus remain in control but Angel forced to watch helpless as his evil side killed his friends and family. If we accept that then the gypsies must have cursed at least a few other vamps over the centuries. They were simply extremely rare and all dead prior to the Angel's being cursed. Alternatively they didn't qualify as heroes if you believe the Shanshu Curse was really acting up as opposed to Lindsey and Eve doing something to activate those disasters.
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** There is no logical reason for this to be the case, and no evidence for it, so this has to go into the 'Wild Mass Guessing' pile. Using a single line from a spell as justification for a strange 'ensouled Master' theory is conjecture at its worst. They wouldn't have made such a big deal of Angel being given his soul if it had happened several times through history.
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** In-universe, Darla knows roughly what happened but not the exact terms and conditions of the curse. Only Janna/Jenny and her uncle, both Kalderash, were presented as having any grasp of the actual terms, and even they didn't have any way of translating the actual spell to check the wording. This is enough to make her try to 'force' Angel back into the fold - after all, he's shunned other vampires for a century. By forcing him back into their habits and society he may return to the fold. They don't have enough of the details to know whether this would work or fail, so they tried it. Unfortunately later episodes 'filled out' the backstories of Angelus, Spike and Darla to a degree that stays just the right side of retcons, allowing cool flashbacks but also slightly infringing upon the tone of certain interactions from earlier on in the series. One I particularly dislike is the three other members of the 'Whirlwind' (Darla, Spike and Drusilla) visiting and largely massacring the gypsies that cursed Angelus, with Darla trying to bargain for them to change him back. This doesn't really fit with the chronologically later S1 episodes with Darla and Angel's interactions with Spike in early S2, though in 'School Hard' it is plain to see that Spike did look up to Angelus and saw straight through his claim to be a 'normal' vampire again (yet more evidence of Spike's observation skills).
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** The simple answer is that seeking out witches wasn't an option. Darla's not strong enough threaten a witch of sufficient power to mess with souls. The Master has the power and rescources but doesn't care that much, he likes the mayhem Angelus causes but their personal relationship isn't all that great.
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*Angel has a soul that was forced on him by the Gypsies. Darla and the Master spend a fair amount of time and energy attempting to turn Angel over to their side instead of the more rational options of accepting it cannot be done certainly not the means they are employing. Angel is not good because he woke up one day and realized that vampires are evil and he wants to be good! No he was cursed with a soul and Darla knows this and presumably so does the Master. Even if he'd somehow managed to kill Buffy it wouldn't have made Angel join them again. Best case scenario he limps off to never never comeback land or commits suicide. Slightly more likely he goes on the warpath against them. No attempts are ever made to our knowledge to magically extract the soul from him. Granted flashbacks of the Master suggest that he was never fond of Angelus and all that stuff he spouted in S1 is just EarlyInstallmentWeirdness but Darla would have tried to find a witch or two and force them to fix Angelus and we see no indications either tried this. S2 has Angel (fail) trying to fool Spike into thinking he's evil and that his good persona is just an act he puts on so she doesn't bother him. Spike like Darla however knows what really happened so really both of them were terminally retarded there.
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***Cover is an entry fee. You might, if an event promoter or club manager is feeling like they need some bonus gimmicks to get people inside, get extras with your cover charge such as a drink ticket or a flowering onion voucher. Doubtful a cover charge would include gimmicks in a town where there is apparently no competition in the nightlife industry. But you never know. Maybe the Bronze's manager is super generous because he knows he's making a killing at the door?
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*** Whether or not anyone noticed isn't the problem, whether or not they actually bothered to report it to a teacher is. Given the usual level of good order and discipline in that madhouse, the answer is "they probably didn't".
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* However, as someone above pointed out, it would explain a bit. After all, when Angel sired a guy, things turned out weird due to his own soul. Perhaps The Master, in life, was an evil emperor who got sired and just just kept being an evil emperor. One of his subjects tried to put the soul back in, maybe thinking the soul and the demon would kill each other due to overloading the body, and instead, The Master just continued being the exact same guy as before. After all, how would somebody know what a soul would do to a vampire without trying it beforehand? The gypsies knew it wouldn't kill Angel(us), so it had to have been done before.
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** This is partially (possibly) addressed in Season 7. She probably didn't simply wake up one morning invisible, instead she probably faded from sight over several days, weeks, months possibly even years. It's directly mentioned by both Willow and Xander that they shared several classes with her and never noticed her and she was constantly trying to involve herself with Cordelia. We don't really know the mechanics of what happened other than it was apparently a frequent enough ocurrance that the Government (Initiative) understood what was going on and had an on going program for when someone with that particular ailment arrived. Knowing that there are either a LOT of Hellmouths or kids turning invisible because too many people ignore them has little to do with the Hellmouth.
