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*** It does. However, there's simply no way to deal with Splicers non-lethaly. You cannot scare them away or incapacitate the. A shame, in my opinion, but that's how it is. So the difference is "self-defence against an unrelenting opponent" vs. "execution of a defenceless opponent ''who's begging for their life''".


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*** Or maybe the programmer agreed with us that sparing Alex ''was'' the correct choice and they made the call.
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* How can Subjects Delta and Sigma rescue the Little Sisters without Tenenbaum's antidote plasmid?

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* How can Subjects Delta and Sigma rescue the Little Sisters without Tenenbaum's antidote plasmid?plasmid?
* So whatever happened to Grace, Stanley and Alexander by the end of the game? Yes, sparing/killing them lets us act out on our moral compass while teaching Eleanor your values when it comes to forgiveness and justice, but did they manage to escape Rapture before it was plunged into the deep sea, or was rescuing them out of concern for their lives mostly pointless when they all drowned/were trapped in the abyss anyways?
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** In this case, it wasn't a case of what Ryan WANTED to do (believe me, if he could, he probably would've personally drowned Lamb the way he had Sullivan drown Culpepper), but what he COULD do - by the point he moved against Lamb, she had already established anti-Ryan movements threatening to depose him - killing Lamb would've turned her into a martyr, and likely would've sparked the Lamb supporters into civil war before Fontaine[=/=]Atlas even showed up. The most feasible solution then was to have Lamb imprisoned, and [[UnPerson slowly sponge her name and influence from Rapture]]. As for why he didn't kill her in prison, he thought that locking her up would be AFateWorseThanDeath for Lamb, and that she would eventually snap behind bars - [[UnderestimatingBadassery a grave underestimation of]] [[TheDeterminator Lamb's resolve,]] [[{{Understatement}} to say the least]].

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** In this case, it wasn't a case of what Ryan WANTED to do (believe me, if he could, he probably would've personally drowned Lamb the way he had Sullivan drown Culpepper), but what he COULD do - by the point he moved against Lamb, she had already established anti-Ryan movements threatening to depose him - killing Lamb would've turned her into a martyr, and likely would've sparked the Lamb supporters into civil war before Fontaine[=/=]Atlas even showed up. The most feasible solution then was to have Lamb imprisoned, and [[UnPerson slowly sponge her name and influence from Rapture]]. As for why he didn't kill her in prison, he thought that locking her up would be AFateWorseThanDeath for Lamb, and that she would eventually snap behind bars - [[UnderestimatingBadassery a grave underestimation of]] [[TheDeterminator Lamb's resolve,]] [[{{Understatement}} to say the least]].least.

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** Part of it is also an oversight in programming. The developers meant for the proper choice to be killing him, but the kill or spare choice was programed just like the others.

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** Part of it is also an oversight in programming. The developers meant for the proper choice to be killing him, but the kill or spare choice was programed programmed just like the others.others.
*** Do you have any source for that? That would be a pretty big oversight if true.



* This has been bugging me since I started [=BioShock=] 2, and I was hoping the game itself would give some kind of explanation, but it didn't seem to, or, at least, I didn't find it. When you start the game, you're a Big Daddy, doing your job: stopping people from harassing the Little Sisters. Then Sofia Lamb comes over and forces you to shoot yourself. Why?

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* This has been bugging me since I started [=BioShock=] 2, ''[=BioShock=] 2'', and I was hoping the game itself would give some kind of explanation, but it didn't seem to, or, at least, I didn't find it. When you start the game, you're a Big Daddy, doing your job: stopping people from harassing the Little Sisters. Then Sofia Lamb comes over and forces you to shoot yourself. Why?



** This is a fairly ridiculous FanWank which I haven't seen any evidence for in the series, but it's possible that the Alpha Series don't have the stinky smell that later Big Daddies do. Instead, they have a unique pheromone that only their Little Sister will hone in on. The Little Sisters would recognize you as their Daddy once they saw you because of their connection to Eleanor, but they weren't physically able to recognize your smell like she could. They only leave their vents when they smell the later Big Daddies, otherwise they'd all be eaten by splicers pounding on the vents. Incidentally, this is why NPC Daddy/Sister pairs don't get swarmed by splicers while gathering like you do; the stink masks the smell of the raw ADAM that seeps from the corpse when its most ADAM-rich parts are punctured. So why did Jack get swarmed in the last level of [=BioShock=]? Because... shut up.

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** This is a fairly ridiculous FanWank which I haven't seen any evidence for in the series, but it's possible that the Alpha Series don't have the stinky smell that later Big Daddies do. Instead, they have a unique pheromone that only their Little Sister will hone in on. The Little Sisters would recognize you as their Daddy once they saw you because of their connection to Eleanor, but they weren't physically able to recognize your smell like she could. They only leave their vents when they smell the later Big Daddies, otherwise they'd all be eaten by splicers pounding on the vents. Incidentally, this is why NPC Daddy/Sister pairs don't get swarmed by splicers while gathering like you do; the stink masks the smell of the raw ADAM that seeps from the corpse when its most ADAM-rich parts are punctured. So why did Jack get swarmed in the last level of [=BioShock=]? ''[=BioShock=]''? Because... shut up.



* Those grungy little moppets howl for your death and order their Big Daddy to "unzip" you in [=BioShock=] 2 whenever you're smashing her Big Daddy, but when old Tinhead goes down, she starts crying, turns to look at you.... and instantly accepts you as her new father. WHAT?!

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* Those grungy little moppets howl for your death and order their Big Daddy to "unzip" you in [=BioShock=] 2 ''[=BioShock=] 2'' whenever you're smashing her Big Daddy, but when old Tinhead goes down, she starts crying, turns to look at you.... and instantly accepts you as her new father. WHAT?!



* So, whatever happened to Jack? We know this game follows on from the 'Good' Ending to VideoGame/BioShock1, the one in which he chooses to bring the Little Sisters whom Tenenbaum had taken under her wing to the surface and teach them to live full and happy lives of their own. Then, by the time of this game, Tenenbaum has grown aware that someone (i.e. Sofia Lamb) has been continuining her research into the creation of Little Sisters, and in Rapture, the most dangerous city on earth (or below the ocean), to boot. Naturally, this prompts her to return to the city and investigate. But why go there without the one person she knew she could trust absolutely, had proven capable of surviving in such a hostile environment, and who also had a personal attachment to the Little Sisters? It's plausible that Jack's rapid-ageing condition, brought on by the experiments designed to turn him into Ryan's assassin, meant that he'd grown too old by this point for another battle under the seas. Or maybe Tenenbaum realised she could die on this mission and didn't want the Little Sisters to be left without a guardian. But sadly, the game never drops the slightest hint about any of this.

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* So, whatever happened to Jack? We know this game follows on from the 'Good' Ending to VideoGame/BioShock1, ''VideoGame/BioShock1'', the one in which he chooses to bring the Little Sisters whom Tenenbaum had taken under her wing to the surface and teach them to live full and happy lives of their own. Then, by the time of this game, Tenenbaum has grown aware that someone (i.e. Sofia Lamb) has been continuining continuing her research into the creation of Little Sisters, and in Rapture, the most dangerous city on earth (or below the ocean), to boot. Naturally, this prompts her to return to the city and investigate. But why go there without the one person she knew she could trust absolutely, had proven capable of surviving in such a hostile environment, and who also had a personal attachment to the Little Sisters? It's plausible that Jack's rapid-ageing condition, brought on by the experiments designed to turn him into Ryan's assassin, meant that he'd grown too old by this point for another battle under the seas. Or maybe Tenenbaum realised she could die on this mission and didn't want the Little Sisters to be left without a guardian. But sadly, the game never drops the slightest hint about any of this.



* Where are all the Splicers coming from? Rapture never had as large a population as most cities on the surface, and the civil war that happened prior to Bioshock 1 thinned out the population even before Jack and Delta's rampage. Hell, the basic economy (Little Sister, Bid Daddies, Adam, ect.) ''relies'' on corpses, meaning that their ''needs'' to be a substantial casualty rate for the city to even function. With all the chaos, murder, civil war, decaying architecture, and big-daddy inflicted casualties, Rapture should be completely depopulated before you even start the game. This is especially glaring in Bioshock 2, where the whole city has had an additional ten years to decay, and there are still enough splicers running around to make an army.

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* Where are all the Splicers coming from? Rapture never had as large a population as most cities on the surface, and the civil war that happened prior to Bioshock 1 ''[=BioShock=] 1'' thinned out the population even before Jack and Delta's rampage. Hell, the basic economy (Little Sister, Bid Daddies, Adam, ect.) ''relies'' on corpses, meaning that their ''needs'' to be a substantial casualty rate for the city to even function. With all the chaos, murder, civil war, decaying architecture, and big-daddy inflicted casualties, Rapture should be completely depopulated before you even start the game. This is especially glaring in Bioshock 2, ''[=BioShock=] 2'', where the whole city has had an additional ten years to decay, and there are still enough splicers running around to make an army.



* So why can't Delta use the hypnotic plasmid on other Big Daddys the way Sophia does in the opening?

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* So why can't Delta use the hypnotic plasmid on other Big Daddys Daddies the way Sophia does in the opening?opening?
* How can Subjects Delta and Sigma rescue the Little Sisters without Tenenbaum's antidote plasmid?
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* Does one feel there were a lot of flaws in Sophia Lamb's plan? She wants to create a non-sentient creature born from the minds of everyone in Rapture dedicated to goodness. Except a creature that does good out of mindless directive rather that deliberate choice would be no more different than a machine. Additionally, if her plan did come to fruition, what's to prevent the thing she created from killing her if it determines her to be a great evil that must be eradicated, or even absorbing her into the collective like the [[StarTrek Borg]]?

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* Does one feel there were a lot of flaws in Sophia Lamb's plan? She wants to create a non-sentient creature born from the minds of everyone in Rapture dedicated to goodness. Except a creature that does good out of mindless directive rather that deliberate choice would be no more different than a machine. Additionally, if her plan did come to fruition, what's to prevent the thing she created from killing her if it determines her to be a great evil that must be eradicated, or even absorbing her into the collective like the [[StarTrek [[Franchise/StarTrek Borg]]?
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** It's because these are not the original Little Sisters. As the beginning of the game states, there were little kids kidnapped from the surface, with even Mark Meltzer coming down to search his own, Cindy. As it is the work of the Big Sister (aka Sofia Lamb), it's not strange to think that the common thread being the Eleanor-ish appearance.
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* So why can't Delta use the hypnotic plasmid on other Big Daddy's the way Sophia does in the opening?

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* So why can't Delta use the hypnotic plasmid on other Big Daddy's Daddys the way Sophia does in the opening?
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* How does Delta wake up ten years later with his helmet on if he removed it to shoot himself in the head? Sure, you could argue that Lamb or her cronies replaced it when they moved his body out of the way for that nice and shiny Adonis Resort statue, but why?

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* How does Delta wake up ten years later with his helmet on if he removed it to shoot himself in the head? Sure, you could argue that Lamb or her cronies replaced it when they moved his body out of the way for that nice and shiny Adonis Resort statue, but why?why?
* So why can't Delta use the hypnotic plasmid on other Big Daddy's the way Sophia does in the opening?
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** He said he's 'incognito' (travelling as an unknown) not missing for ten years. It's possible that he escaped Dionysus Park before it flooded completely and stayed with Sofia at Persephone during the past ten years. He only returned to Dionysus Park when he realised that Delta had drained the whole park out thus allowing the Little Sisters to gather ADAM. Something he didn't want happening since Sofia will find out about what he did there (never mind she already did and 'forgave' him for it).


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*** Either that or Ryan hasn't started his policy of murdering his dissenters when it came to Lamb. Lamb was his first, major opponent and he still believed in no Death Penalty in Rapture at the time of her imprisonment. This changed when Fontaine, then Atlas, took over and started the Rapture Civil War. It's possible that if Lamb was still free by that time, it's highly likely she would have been gunned down, martyr or not.
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** The drill is detachable and goes over the hand. The arm fits down inside the main part, and the hinge-like places along the arm are what keeps the drill attached while in use, instead of say, having a grip inside there that would just let it fall out if Delta unclenches his hand.

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** The drill is detachable and goes over the hand. The arm fits down inside the main part, and the hinge-like places along the arm are what keeps the drill attached while in use, instead of say, having a grip inside there that would just let it fall out if Delta unclenches his hand.hand.
*How does Delta wake up ten years later with his helmet on if he removed it to shoot himself in the head? Sure, you could argue that Lamb or her cronies replaced it when they moved his body out of the way for that nice and shiny Adonis Resort statue, but why?
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** Cause the Little Sister in question is none other than Eleanor, and her mother kinda needs her for her {{Instrumentality}} plan. Kinda hard to work on that when you're going on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge to stop her. [[spoiler:Too bad that's what happens anyway, cause poor [[{{Woobie}} Eleanor]] really misses her daddy after ten years.]]

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** Cause the Little Sister in question is none other than Eleanor, and her mother kinda needs her for her {{Instrumentality}} plan.AssimilationPlot. Kinda hard to work on that when you're going on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge to stop her. [[spoiler:Too bad that's what happens anyway, cause poor [[{{Woobie}} Eleanor]] really misses her daddy after ten years.]]


*** Yeah, but you see what that looks like in the intro, and it's obvious he isn't removing his helmet every single time. [[TheyJustDidntCare It's just something they seem to have hoped nobody would notice]].

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*** Yeah, but you see what that looks like in the intro, and it's obvious he isn't removing his helmet every single time. [[TheyJustDidntCare It's just something they seem to have hoped nobody would notice]].notice.
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** In the events of the first game, war and poverty made ADAM a very expensive and rare commodity. You'd find Splicers attacking Little Sisters because they had no other legitimate means of getting their next fix. However, in the second game, Lamb probably supplies Splicers of the Family with ADAM non-lethally Harvested from Little Sisters (via regurgitation). This ensures that Splicers remain loyal to the Family and won't hinder the Little Sisters on their Gathering because they already have a stable source of ADAM. The Splicers who still tango with Big Daddies are not apart of the Family.

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** In the events of the first game, war and poverty made ADAM a very expensive and rare commodity. You'd find Splicers attacking Little Sisters because they had no other legitimate means of getting their next fix. However, in the second game, Lamb probably supplies Splicers of the Family with ADAM non-lethally Harvested from Little Sisters (via regurgitation). This ensures that Splicers remain loyal to the Family and won't hinder the Little Sisters on their Gathering because they already have a stable source of ADAM. The Splicers who still tango with Big Daddies are not apart a part of the Family.
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** Maybe when Delta was ressurected, Elenor incorpertated it into his structure.

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** Maybe when Delta was ressurected, Elenor incorpertated incorporated it into his structure.
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** The plot had significant changes made to it fairly late in development. Originally it was going to be focused on the same Little Sister hounding you throughout the game, kidnapping litle children to keep them 'safe', developing - thematically at least - alongside Tenebaum's own involvement in the creation process. We instead got the current plot arc, for good or for ill, with most of the original elements being exorcised.

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** The plot had significant changes made to it fairly late in development. Originally it was going to be focused on the same Little Sister hounding you throughout the game, kidnapping litle little children to keep them 'safe', developing - thematically at least - alongside Tenebaum's own involvement in the creation process. We instead got the current plot arc, for good or for ill, with most of the original elements being exorcised.
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* The butterflies. Are they real? If so that raises a lot of questions. How do they survive? What is there for them to eat? If they really are blue morphos, then wouldn't be much to cold for them?

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* The butterflies. Are they real? If so that raises a lot of questions. How do they survive? What is there for them to eat? If they really are blue morphos, then wouldn't it be much to cold for them?
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* Does Delta have three arms? We know that one arm ends in a drill (That, judging by the cover art, can't be removed), and the other arm is the plasmid wielding one. So how is he wielding a gun? His plasmid hand is always on screen, so the guns can't be in that hand, and they can't be in his drill hand.

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* Does Delta have three arms? We know that one arm ends in a drill (That, judging by the cover art, can't be removed), and the other arm is the plasmid wielding one. So how is he wielding a gun? His plasmid hand is always on screen, so the guns can't be in that hand, and they can't be in his drill hand.
** The drill is detachable and goes over the hand. The arm fits down inside the main part, and the hinge-like places along the arm are what keeps the drill attached while in use, instead of say, having a grip inside there that would just let it fall out if Delta unclenches his
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** In this case, it wasn't a case of what Ryan WANTED to do (believe me, if he could, he probably would've personally drowned Lamb the way he had Sullivan drown Culpepper), but what he COULD do - by the point he moved against Lamb, she had already established anti-Ryan movements threatening to depose him - killing Lamb would've turned her into a martyr, and likely would've sparked the Lamb supporters into civil war before Fontaine[=/=]Atlas even showed up. The most feasible solution then was to have Lamb imprisoned, and [[UnPerson slowly sponge her name and influence from Rapture]]. As for why he didn't kill her in prison, he thought that locking her up would be AFateWorseThanDeath for Lamb, and that she would eventually snap behind bars - [[UnderestimatingBadassery a grave underestimation of]] [[TheDeterminator Lamb's resolve,]] [[{{Understatement}} to say the least]].

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** In this case, it wasn't a case of what Ryan WANTED to do (believe me, if he could, he probably would've personally drowned Lamb the way he had Sullivan drown Culpepper), but what he COULD do - by the point he moved against Lamb, she had already established anti-Ryan movements threatening to depose him - killing Lamb would've turned her into a martyr, and likely would've sparked the Lamb supporters into civil war before Fontaine[=/=]Atlas even showed up. The most feasible solution then was to have Lamb imprisoned, and [[UnPerson slowly sponge her name and influence from Rapture]]. As for why he didn't kill her in prison, he thought that locking her up would be AFateWorseThanDeath for Lamb, and that she would eventually snap behind bars - [[UnderestimatingBadassery a grave underestimation of]] [[TheDeterminator Lamb's resolve,]] [[{{Understatement}} to say the least]].least]].
* Does Delta have three arms? We know that one arm ends in a drill (That, judging by the cover art, can't be removed), and the other arm is the plasmid wielding one. So how is he wielding a gun? His plasmid hand is always on screen, so the guns can't be in that hand, and they can't be in his drill hand.

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*** Technically, the question is how Poole survived UNTIL Delta got there TEN YEARS AFTER HE FLOODED THE PARK. Although, in this case, I assumed he realized just how destructive his plan was going to be this time (even if he didn't give a damn about the morality), and stocked up on food and water CrazySurvivalist style before locking himself in the booth - the reason there's little evidence of it when you get there is because, [[RealityEnsues after ten years, he's just about used it all up]]. This would also help explain why he [[{{Railroading}} Railroaded]] Delta from his little quest - seeing as he was going OneManArmy against Lamb's tyranny, Poole thought that Delta was his only shot at getting out of the park, even though he repeatedly screwed him over in the past. This would be especially true in a Good playthrough, as Poole would've thought that, since Delta was so merciful to the Little Sisters and Grace Holloway, [[TemptingFate surely he'd have some pity for poor Uncle Stanley, right?]] This makes less sense in an Evil playthrough, since Delta's slaughtering his way through all of Rapture no matter what, but it's still possible to chalk it up to desperation on Poole's part for any break, no matter how suicidal, from just starving to death.

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*** Technically, the question is how Poole survived UNTIL Delta got there TEN YEARS AFTER HE FLOODED THE PARK. Although, in this case, I assumed he realized just how destructive his plan was going to be this time (even if he didn't give a damn about the morality), and stocked up on food and water CrazySurvivalist style before locking himself in the booth - the reason there's little evidence of it when you get there is because, [[RealityEnsues after ten years, he's just about used it all up]]. up]]. This would also help explain why he [[{{Railroading}} Railroaded]] Delta from his little quest - seeing as he was going OneManArmy against Lamb's tyranny, Poole thought that Delta was his only shot at getting out of the park, even though he repeatedly screwed him over in the past. past. This would be especially true in a Good playthrough, as Poole would've thought that, since Delta was so merciful to the Little Sisters and Grace Holloway, [[TemptingFate surely he'd have some pity for poor Uncle Stanley, right?]] right?]] This makes less sense in an Evil playthrough, since Delta's slaughtering his way through all of Rapture no matter what, but it's still possible to chalk it up to desperation on Poole's part for any break, no matter how suicidal, from just starving to death.



* Why was Sofia Lamb merely imprisoned while less dangerous dissenters like Anna Culpepper were killed.

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** In this case, it wasn't a case of what Ryan WANTED to do (believe me, if he could, he probably would've personally drowned Lamb the way he had Sullivan drown Culpepper), but what he COULD do - by the point he moved against Lamb, she had already established anti-Ryan movements threatening to depose him - killing Lamb would've turned her into a martyr, and likely would've sparked the Lamb supporters into civil war before Fontaine[=/=]Atlas even showed up. The most feasible solution then was to have Lamb imprisoned, and [[UnPerson slowly sponge her name and influence from Rapture]]. As for why he didn't kill her in prison, he thought that locking her up would be AFateWorseThanDeath for Lamb, and that she would eventually snap behind bars - [[UnderestimatingBadassery a grave underestimation of]] [[TheDeterminator Lamb's resolve,]] [[{{Understatement}} to say the least]].
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*** Technically, the question is how Poole survived UNTIL Delta got there TEN YEARS AFTER HE FLOODED THE PARK. Although, in this case, I assumed he realized just how destructive his plan was going to be this time (even if he didn't give a damn about the morality), and stocked up on food and water CrazySurvivalist style before locking himself in the booth - the reason there's little evidence of it when you get there is because, [[RealityEnsues after ten years, he's just about used it all up]]. This would also help explain why he [[{{Railroading}} Railroaded]] Delta from his little quest - seeing as he was going OneManArmy against Lamb's tyranny, Poole thought that Delta was his only shot at getting out of the park, even though he repeatedly screwed him over in the past. This would be especially true in a Good playthrough, as Poole would've thought that, since Delta was so merciful to the Little Sisters and Grace Holloway, [[TemptingFate surely he'd have some pity for poor Uncle Stanley, right?]] This makes less sense in an Evil playthrough, since Delta's slaughtering his way through all of Rapture no matter what, but it's still possible to chalk it up to desperation on Poole's part for any break, no matter how suicidal, from just starving to death.
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** Don't know if you'd noticed this, but everyone in Rapture is ''fucking crazy''. Lamb is not Fontaine. Her plan makes no sense because she's a fanatic. Fanatic's don't tend to make a lot of sense

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** Don't know if you'd noticed this, but everyone in Rapture is ''fucking crazy''. Lamb is not Fontaine. Her plan makes no sense because she's a fanatic. Fanatic's don't tend to make a lot of sensesense
* Why was Sofia Lamb merely imprisoned while less dangerous dissenters like Anna Culpepper were killed.
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** Depends on whether you think Andrew Ryan is dead or not. [[Main/LukeIAmYourFather He's [[spoiler: Jack's father]]]], and the Vita-Chambers are triggered by DNA keys, so it's possible he came back.

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** Depends on whether you think Andrew Ryan is dead or not. He's [[spoiler: [[Main/LukeIAmYourFather He's [[spoiler: Jack's father]]]], and the Vita-Chambers are triggered by DNA keys, so it's possible he came back.
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* Does one feel there were alot of flaws in Sophia Lamb's plan? She wants to create a non-sentient creature born from the minds of everyone in Rapture dedicated to goodness. Except a creature that does good out of mindless directive rather that deliberate choice would be no more different than a machine. Additionally, if her plan did come to fruition, what's to prevent the thing she created from killing her if it determines her to be a great evil that must be eradicated, or even absorbing her into the collective like the [[StarTrek Borg]]?

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* Does one feel there were alot a lot of flaws in Sophia Lamb's plan? She wants to create a non-sentient creature born from the minds of everyone in Rapture dedicated to goodness. Except a creature that does good out of mindless directive rather that deliberate choice would be no more different than a machine. Additionally, if her plan did come to fruition, what's to prevent the thing she created from killing her if it determines her to be a great evil that must be eradicated, or even absorbing her into the collective like the [[StarTrek Borg]]?
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** For that matter, how do the splicers eat? There is only so much you can loot before there's nothing left. Underwater agriculture is mentioned, but it would be a fairly complex process, and it's hard to preform even basic maintenance when you're a gibbering lunatic. Heck, Fresh water, heat, and even oxygen would be an issue.

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** For that matter, how do the splicers eat? There is only so much you can loot before there's nothing left. Underwater agriculture is mentioned, but it would be a fairly complex process, and it's hard to preform perform even basic maintenance when you're a gibbering lunatic. Heck, Fresh water, heat, and even oxygen would be an issue.

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***** So all the calling down of the Splicers and the Alpha Series, that doesn't count as "actively trying to kill you"?



** Part of it is also an oversight in programing. The developers meant for the proper choice to be killing him, but the kill or spare choice was programed just like the others.

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** Part of it is also an oversight in programing.programming. The developers meant for the proper choice to be killing him, but the kill or spare choice was programed just like the others.



** Depends on whether you think Andrew Ryan is dead or not. [[Main/LukeIAmYourFather He's your father]], and the Vita-Chambers are triggered by DNA keys, so it's possible he came back.

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** Depends on whether you think Andrew Ryan is dead or not. [[Main/LukeIAmYourFather He's your father]], [[spoiler: Jack's father]]]], and the Vita-Chambers are triggered by DNA keys, so it's possible he came back.



**** That's because the winner never tries to adopt the Little Sister. When Delta kills a Big Daddy, the little sister doesn't just walk up to him and climb on his shoulders. He has to pick her up himself. The modern Big Daddies's "programming" when they don't have a Little Sister is to go bang on the vent and get one (Which explains why a Big Daddy without a Little Sister will just ignore you if you've just won a fight with another Big Daddy, instead of taking the Little Sister away before you harvest/rescue/adopt her) But Delta has free will thanks to Eleanor, and thus thinks to himself, "Hey, I should adopt this little sister which I have just orphaned." (Or he does it because Sinclair tells him to, depending on how you interpret Delta)



*** He's not removing his helmet because [[GameplayAndStorySegregation spending ten seconds removing the helmet everytime you eat something would get annoying pretty damn fast.]] Especially considering Alpha can down an entire bag of chips in an instant. They don't show you removing the helmet for the same reason they don't show you ripping open Spider Splicers to get their hearts or rummaging through/taking apart containers or objects to get the items inside. The animation would slow the game down.

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*** He's not removing his helmet because [[GameplayAndStorySegregation spending ten seconds removing the helmet everytime you eat something would get annoying pretty damn fast.]] Especially considering Alpha Delta can down an entire bag of chips in an instant. They don't show you removing the helmet for the same reason they don't show you ripping open Spider Splicers to get their hearts or rummaging through/taking apart containers or objects to get the items inside. The animation would slow the game down.



*** Not to mention that, even if Delta was just another mindless Daddy, there would still be a point to finding these diaries: Information on how to survive and find Eleanor (for example, the "Agnus Dei" recording, or Gil's description of the new Rumbler Daddy)



** *shakes head* You're asking the wrong question. What you should be asking is: "Why do the Little Sisters all look like Eleanor?". Since Delta was her Big Daddy (which as mentiond above would change how you see the world) it makes sense that [[AWizardDidIt Eleanor Did It]]. She's the reason why the Little Sisters trust you after killing their Big Daddies. Not only that, but she talks to you telepathically, so who's to say it doesn't affect you too

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** *shakes head* You're asking the wrong question. What you should be asking is: "Why do the Little Sisters all look like Eleanor?". Since Delta was her Big Daddy (which as mentiond above would change how you see the world) it makes sense that [[AWizardDidIt Eleanor Did It]]. She's the reason why the Little Sisters trust you after killing their Big Daddies. Not only that, but she talks to you telepathically, so who's to say it doesn't affect you tootoo?



** A possibly greater source of contention arises from the existence of the Big Sisters, Little Sisters that have grown up. Tenenbaum knew a great deal about the Little Sisters, being the one responsible for their creation, and presumably had records of all subjects. So how come she didn't notice that several of them were missing, having already been taken in by Sofia Lamb? Maybe you could argue that she believed them dead, harvested by Splicers... but does that really make sense? If [[MamaBear Tenenbaum]]felt such devoted motherly instinct for all Little Sisters, wouldn't it be natural for her to keep looking for them on the ''off-chance'' that they may still be alive? [[NotSoDifferent Guess that Tenenbaum wasn't quite such a good mother in comparison to Lamb after all...]]

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** A possibly greater source of contention arises from the existence of the Big Sisters, Little Sisters that have grown up. Tenenbaum knew a great deal about the Little Sisters, being the one responsible for their creation, and presumably had records of all subjects. So how come she didn't notice that several of them were missing, having already been taken in by Sofia Lamb? Maybe you could argue that she believed them dead, harvested by Splicers... but does that really make sense? If [[MamaBear Tenenbaum]]felt Tenenbaum]] felt such devoted motherly instinct for all Little Sisters, wouldn't it be natural for her to keep looking for them on the ''off-chance'' that they may still be alive? [[NotSoDifferent Guess that Tenenbaum wasn't quite such a good mother in comparison to Lamb after all...]]
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* So, whatever happened to Jack? We know this game follows on from the 'Good' Ending to VideoGame/BioShock, the one in which he chooses to bring the Little Sisters whom Tenenbaum had taken under her wing to the surface and teach them to live full and happy lives of their own. Then, by the time of this game, Tenenbaum has grown aware that someone (i.e. Sofia Lamb) has been continuining her research into the creation of Little Sisters, and in Rapture, the most dangerous city on earth (or below the ocean), to boot. Naturally, this prompts her to return to the city and investigate. But why go there without the one person she knew she could trust absolutely, had proven capable of surviving in such a hostile environment, and who also had a personal attachment to the Little Sisters? It's plausible that Jack's rapid-ageing condition, brought on by the experiments designed to turn him into Ryan's assassin, meant that he'd grown too old by this point for another battle under the seas. Or maybe Tenenbaum realised she could die on this mission and didn't want the Little Sisters to be left without a guardian. But sadly, the game never drops the slightest hint about any of this.

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* So, whatever happened to Jack? We know this game follows on from the 'Good' Ending to VideoGame/BioShock, VideoGame/BioShock1, the one in which he chooses to bring the Little Sisters whom Tenenbaum had taken under her wing to the surface and teach them to live full and happy lives of their own. Then, by the time of this game, Tenenbaum has grown aware that someone (i.e. Sofia Lamb) has been continuining her research into the creation of Little Sisters, and in Rapture, the most dangerous city on earth (or below the ocean), to boot. Naturally, this prompts her to return to the city and investigate. But why go there without the one person she knew she could trust absolutely, had proven capable of surviving in such a hostile environment, and who also had a personal attachment to the Little Sisters? It's plausible that Jack's rapid-ageing condition, brought on by the experiments designed to turn him into Ryan's assassin, meant that he'd grown too old by this point for another battle under the seas. Or maybe Tenenbaum realised she could die on this mission and didn't want the Little Sisters to be left without a guardian. But sadly, the game never drops the slightest hint about any of this.
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* The civil war started before the new years bombings. This was when Ryan's secret police were hunting down smugglers like Fontaine and other malcontents. The new years bombings was the event that escalated the war and turned rapture into the hell under the sea it is in game.

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* ** The civil war started before the new years bombings. This was when Ryan's secret police were hunting down smugglers like Fontaine and other malcontents. The new years bombings was the event that escalated the war and turned rapture into the hell under the sea it is in game.
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* The civil war started before the new years bombings. This was when Ryan's secret police were hunting down smugglers like Fontaine and other malcontents. The new years bombings was the event that escalated the war and turned rapture into the hell under the sea it is in game.
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** Part of it is also an oversight in programing. The developers meant for the proper choice to be killing him, but the kill or spare choice was programed just like the others.
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* Does one feel there were alot of flaws in Sophia Lamb's plan? She wants to create a non-sentient creature born from the minds of everyone in Rapture dedicated to goodness. Except a creature that does good out of mindless directive rather that deliberate choice would be no more different than a machine. Additionally, if her plan did come to fruition, what's to prevent the thing she created from killing her if it determines her to be a great evil that must be eradicated, or even absorbing her into the collective like the [[StarTrek Borg]]?

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* Does one feel there were alot of flaws in Sophia Lamb's plan? She wants to create a non-sentient creature born from the minds of everyone in Rapture dedicated to goodness. Except a creature that does good out of mindless directive rather that deliberate choice would be no more different than a machine. Additionally, if her plan did come to fruition, what's to prevent the thing she created from killing her if it determines her to be a great evil that must be eradicated, or even absorbing her into the collective like the [[StarTrek Borg]]?Borg]]?
** Don't know if you'd noticed this, but everyone in Rapture is ''fucking crazy''. Lamb is not Fontaine. Her plan makes no sense because she's a fanatic. Fanatic's don't tend to make a lot of sense

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