History Headscratchers / BatmanUnderTheRedHood

** IIRC, after saving Black Mask and the other hostages, Batman grabs the Joker, presumably to take him back to Arkham, but Jason stops Batman, and Jason and the Joker fall into the water below (possibly Batman too). And while the Joker’s underwear, Jason grabs him.

** After saving Black Mask and the other hostages, Batman grabs the Joker, presumably to take him back to Arkham, but Jason stops Batman, and Jason and the Joker fall into the water below (possibly Batman too). That’s when Jason grabs the Joker.

*** It was specifically about Joker, not about Jason wanting to mean more than Batman's moral code all by himself but that Joker is irredeemably evil. Jason makes it clear he's not talking about Ivy or Two-Face or Freeze. He's talking about Joker. Considering how many of Joker's plots revolve specifically around getting a rise out of Batman it's REALLY hard for many people to take Batman's side on this instead of blaming him for each and every life Joker takes after a certain point.

*** I may be wrong here but I'm pretty sure I once heard that it is illegal in the United States to excute the insane. That's why whatever State Gotham is in hasn't killed him themselves. Of course why some arresting officer, after Batman beats the Joker and hands him over, doesn't just shoot the clown and go to prison a hero is down to DC [[JokerImmunity not willing to kill off the character]].

* While it's easy to sympathize with Jason, why does he act as though it's Batman's job to execute people like Joker personally? When a police officer apprehends a criminal who's committed a murder, most people wouldn't blame them if the killer later escapes to commit more killings. Blame for that would likely fall on the judge and or jury for not giving him the death penalty, in fact it's a bit ridiculous that the Joker hasn't received that punishment already. Really it's not Batman's fault of Arkham is a CardboardPrison. And since Batman turned Joker over to the authorities, thus ''avenging'' Jason. Shouldn't Jason be targeting them instead of making Bruce's life miserable?

*** In most states it is illegal to kill the insane, for reasons being they're not sound of mind enough to understand what they're being executed for. Which is also why if you are declared legally insane you don't go to trial. In the Joker's case how insane he is changes {{depending on the writer}}. However, the Joker should have been transfer out of Gothom years ago and put into a prison that doesn't have a resolving door. I have never read ''Devil's Advocate'', but legally, it is wrong to execute someone for a crime they didn't commit, even if the person is a serial killer. If anything, that another big bungle on the state and not Batman, who legally did the right thing.

*** In most states it is illegal to kill the insane, for reasons being they're not sound of mind enough to understand what they're being executed for. Which is also why if you are declared legally insane you don't go to trial. In the Joker's case how insane he is changes depending on the writer. However, the Joker should have been transfer out of Gothom years ago and put into a prison that doesn't have a resolving door. I have never read ''Devil's Advocate'', but legally, it is wrong to execute someone for a crime they didn't commit, even if the person is a serial killer. If anything, that another big bungle on the state and not Batman, who legally did the right thing.

*** I may be wrong here but I'm pretty sure I once heard that it is illegal in the United States to excute the insane. That's why whatever State Gotham is in hasn't killed him themselves. Of course why some arresting officer, after Batman beats the Joker and hands him over, doesn't just shoot the clown and go to prison a hero is down to DC not willing to kill off the character.

** Original editor: The interactive movie ''Death in the Family'' revisits the scene, and ''actually'' arranges for a hard-fought bout of fisticuffs between the Joker and Red Hood. (It also bumps up the aftermath to playing out right then and there, but doesn't leave the question of how the hired killer gone wild who was actively trying to draw out his enemy seems to end up tied up without a fight.)

*** It could be like in Morrison's Batman run, where the Joker knows but doesn't especially care.

* Jason's plan relied on making Black Mask so desperate to kill him that he'd dig up the one force that could take him out. Black Mask (apparently concluding that of all the Gotham underworld, Joker fits that) breaks Joker out to kill the Red Hood. The Joker immediately turns on Black Mask and his gang, takes them all hostage and makes a grand show on the bridge to draw out the Red Hood. While Batman is occupied saving the gang, Red Hood shows up where he's hoped for... and... Joker's not only a little surprised, Jason captures him ''easily,'' with no conflict to speak of -- just some words, a jump cut and the Joker tied up and cracking jokes to his abductor a mile away -- when ''the whole idea'' was that the Joker was the only professional killer in the city who could be relied on to beat him. I've wondered since I watched it, was there a fight in the comics? I feel like there's a step missing.

* Jason's plan relied on making Black Mask so desperate to kill him that he'd dig up the one force that could take him out. Black Mask (apparently concluding that of all the Gotham underworld, Joker fits that) breaks Joker out to kill the Red Hood. The Joker immediately turns on Black Mask and his gang, takes them all hostage and makes a grand show on the bridge to draw out the Red Hood. While Batman is occupied saving the gang, Red Hood shows up where he's hoped for... and... Joker's not only a little surprised, Jason captures him ''easily,'' with no conflict to speak of -- just some words, a jump cut and the Joker tied up and cracking jokes to his abductor a mile away -- when ''the whole idea'' was that the Joker was the only professional killer in the city who could be relied on to beat him. I've wondered since I watched it, was there a fight in the comics?

** That's the entire core of his and Bruce's argument; despite having grown up, he's still the traumatized teenager who Joker beat to death and blew up. His legitimate point is that Joker isn't like Two-Face or Ivy, who ''are'' capable of redemption; Joker has a body count and no impetus to be good. We sympathize with Jason because no child should have to go through such a CruelAndUnusualDeath; Jason latches onto Bruce, because Bruce is a face and a personality who can bear the brunt of his anger about dying, that Jason knows Bruce did everything to save him. Arkham is a broken system with guards and doctors doing their best, and corrupt judges or cops. Jason can't fix it by pointing a gun at a doctor and demanding to either shoot the Joker or shoot ''Jason'' in the face. The irony is that Bruce says he just wants Jason to come home and all will be forgiven; he doesn't care about Jason's own body count and crimes, only to get his son back.

** It's probably a bit of an open secret among criminals. Batman hung out with a sidekick named Robin. Robin grew up into a man. Then one day there was no more Robin, but a guy named Nightwing with the same fighting style and similar toys and who was probably seen with Batman early on. Though the real answer is it was Exposition for any body who wasn't familiar with Nightwing.

* While it's easy to sympathize with Jason, why does he act as though it's Batman's job to execute people like Joker personally? When a police officer apprehends a criminal who's committed a murder, most people wouldn't blame them if the killer later escapes to commit more killings. Blame for that would likely fall on the judge and or jury for not giving him the death penalty, in fact it's a bit ridiculous that the Joker hasn't received that punishment already. Really it's not Batman's fault of Arkham is a CardboardPrison. And since Batman turned Joker over to the authorities, thus ''avenging'' Jason. Shouldn't Jason be targeting them instead of making Bruce's life miserable?

** For the record, the original comic had a GainaxEnding, with the infamous [[ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis "Superboy Punch"]] throwing all reality out of whack right as Jason set off the bomb.

** Interestingly enough, Deathstroke did play a role in the comic storyline this movie was based on (since it was a tie-in to ''InfiniteCrisis''). He promptly berated Black Mask and sent a group of second-stringers to kill the Red Hood; it didn't work out.

** [[BatmanMaskOfThePhantasm Remember Andrea? That's what will happen to Bruce.]]

** Probably not. There was no body and [[spoiler: the two guards who helped in the Joker's escape were mentioned in the news report at the end as having been killed.]]

** This is Gotham, Extremely Corrupt WretchedHive ViceCity of the DCComics universe; the safety inspectors were probably bought off.

I'm really confused by the ending. Everybody seems to be acting like he's dead at the end, but they never found the body, did they?

*** In most states it is illegal to kill the insane, for reasons being they're not sound of mind enough to understand what they're being executed for. Which is also why if you are declared legally insane you don't go to trial. In the Joker's case how insane he is changes depending on the writer. However, the Joker should have been transfer out of Gothom years ago and put into a prison that doesn't have a resolving door. I have never read ''Devil's Advocate'', but legally, it is wrong to execute someone for a crime they didn't committee, even if the person is a serial killer. If anything, that another big bungle on the state and not Batman, who legally did the right thing.

*** Better question, why is that is has to be Batman that kills the Joker? Batman is right that it is not the civil duty of a citizen to execute a criminal unless it is self defense. The only ones within the legal right to kill the Joker are the state and the police if deadly force is needed. So the better question is, why doesn't the state kill the Joker or at least put him within prison that he can't just break out of. Every person the Joker kills is the failing of the legal system and Gothom's own corruption. Why is Batman's fault that he won't do the state's dirty work? He is doing more than he should just by being a crime fighter.